Does anybody really bother with "the envelope" or do any ladies REALLY require it?

It's on damn near every website from A to Z. WTF?

This strikes me as the equivalent of the review statement "treat her nice fellas".

If the lady asks for it then I use one.  If she doesn't then I may or may not. If she says NOT to use one then I won't.  If her site says to use one I'm not going to call and ask if she REALLY wants me to use one, I'm just gonna do it!  Envelopes are cheap! They really don't afford anyone any protection from legal entanglements but if it makes her happy how can that be a bad thing?

Frankly I'm continually amazed at how often the topic comes up...

So what is the prob with the envelope?  Never thought it was a big deal.  Just drop it on the counter or table, and forget it.....

If that's what they want, why not use it????

Swim

I just know I have never actually done it, or had any provider comment on the lack thereof...

Really don't like just dropping a bunch of cash on a counter or table.

Swim

I do this instead...

I find it a convenient way to enclose a card & the payment.  Much easier than fishing around and taking out the wrong number/denominations.

i always leave drop the envelope on a table or bureau as I enter the room

I always use an envelope, just to eliminate any anxiety on her part.

With my regular ladies it's not needed anymore.

Never really thought about it, bought a box of 100 envelopes for like two bucks, it's in the glove box of my car for just this purpose. Can't think of the last time I mailed anything anyway.

I've always used one, put it down on the dresser/table with my sunglasses/car keys and think nothing of it.

Standard Operating Procedure. Everyone one I've seen has asked for it, so in order to make certain things run smoothly, I fill it with the requested donation, and leave it on the nearest flat surface when I walk in the door. Then, as I go take my shower, she's free to count it, to reassure herself that I have not shorted her. It work quite well so far.

I do the envelope thing every time.

Quite honestly, I don't make a website statement one way or the other on this. I've received all manner of cards, gifts, and books enclosing my rate, and both the creativity and thoughtfulness have warmed my heart. But, in the case of a simple envelope, is it really necessary? I love every single aspect of the relationships I hold with my gentlemen, including the fact that they are kind enough to support my free-spirited polyamorous nature. When presented with an envelope, I have to wonder, is it for your sake, or mine? I don't need to hide what I am or any aspect of this relationship. Do you?  

And really, anyone who really truly knows me, knows I would much, much rather save a tree than waste a forest for the sake of such silly games of pretend.

I have never required them, there is no reason for it according to my attorney.

If someone along the way was uncomfortable or disappointed she never told me. I travel a lot and they would be too much trouble.

I could not imagine reaching into my pocket, taking out a money clip, pulling off a few bills and dropping them on the counter on my way out.  That's what you do in a Waffle House!

Treat the lady with respect, whether she asks for it or not.  It's part of the deal, does flaunt in her face that she just fucked for cash, and helps maintain the fantasy of this being a date.  Geez!  What's it cost...2 cents?  We certainly give our 2 cents away for free there every day!!!!

I always use a thank you card and envelop they ask for it or not, and put the cash inside the card, so I do not have to fumble through my pockets hopping I have placed right amount.

Personally I do not like handling cash, and think it takes something away from the fantasy, that way I feel like I am just giving them a nice card, and I do choose the cards carefully.

But that's just me, and one of my hangups.

Anyways, the ladies seem to like it.

It's the best way.  How else would you recommend to to it?

However, it is only for two reasons. First, because so danged many websites specify it. Second, to conceal the presence of any tip I might have included up-front until I am gone.

Philosophically, I am just as happy to count the money out into the lady's hand. I mean, the envelope doesn't fool ME and I doubt it would fool HER. LOL

How many threads have we had on this? Seriously, why are people getting wrapped around the axle over something as minor as an envelope? If the lady wants an envelope, give her one. If she wants you to walk in the door and hand her the money in plain sight, then do it. Or better yet, have her meet you on the sidewalk in broad daylight, hand her the money and say, "Here's the money for your sexual favors!!!!!!"

Does not require it.. BUT! I do not ever discuss your tokens of appreciation...

It is always a very sweet offering to bring a card expressing your appreciation for me...

After all, when you are seeing 5 ladies a day, 7 days a week ... unless they all charge the exact same rate, it would be easy to get mixed up.

So every Sunday night he probably lays out 35 envelopes, puts a post-it on each one with a lady's stage name and day of the week, and then painstaking puts the right amount in each envelope.

On Monday he picks up the stack of "Mondays" ...

(*grin*)

Half the fat broad/Mangina contingency wanted to hang me from the rafters by my balls for not going along with their stupid little envelope ritual. lmao

I wonder where that same outrage is today? or have they seen the light? lol

Honestly, what is the Big Fucking Deal about how you pay a lady, as long as you pay?

It's probably been a couple of years since I have seen five ladies in a single day, much less every day. We can always reminisce however.

and do you really think I "painstakingly" do anything? lol, besided I can't remember the last time I scheduled more than one day in advance. You know it's tough to do when seeing 35 ladies a week, what do you do when an appointment goes over? If you have your third session of the day on Tuesday run overtime, it's Friday before you can get caught back up. rofl

Actually I am sure you already know my attitude about envelopes, never used them, don't plan to.

One should have the donation ready upon arrival.  I use a paper clip & have the donation ready in my key pocket.  Never had a complaint.

If the lady doesn't require an envelope, fine. If she does, what's the BFD ? Lay out the 5 cents & buy one, if that's what it takes to get laid. I don't see any "emasculation" by using an envelope.

The problem is these inane polls-----what's next?
What's a hobbyist's favorite brand of dental floss after DATY ?!-------------LMFAO !

One for every day of the week with a secure money pocket sewn in... Maybe a place for toiletries and a dry towel to boot.

No LE would ever suspect as you'd look like an 80 year old with depends that just crapped himself.

... then she needs to trim a little more closely!

My ATF prefers not getting envelopes.  Said she can't discard them in the hotel room trash can. So she's always carting them home to throw away.

I actually like using envelopes as I can pre-count and insure that I don't short the girl, that's embarrassing!

Trees are renewable, so I have no probs using envelopes. Keeps the money together, and a bit more of an illusion by not seeing the greenbacks.

that had drawings or paintings on them. The cards were blank inside.

However, most ladies seemed to be a little freaked out by the cards for some reason so I went to the plain small white envolope which seems to be the standard and recognized by all.

I saw a visiting lady a few years ago and her website instructions said if the donation was not in an envelope, you'd be asked to leave. All other times I've just layed out the cash on a dresser, tv or something.

..."Honestly, what is the Big Fucking Deal about how you pay a lady, as long as you pay"...

A big fat here, here. You know, if I were where you are, I would love to have a drink with you and shoot the breeze.

but I don't really "have to" so I don't.

The only women that seem to "insist" upon it are by and large the same primma donnas that also insist on "properly" filled out screening forms, etc. Some of you other guys might not mind jumping through endless hoops in order to get laid. I have just never found it necessary, that's all.

I am respectful to the ladies I see, I don't try to negotiate rates (although I don't see it as disrespectful), I tip as often as not, and I know how to wash my "stankin ass". If a provider is going to make something as trivial as a fucking envelope an issue, fuck her. I just move on.

and why would I possibly need to floss after DATY? Just what are you finding down there that I am not? I believe in flossing after eating a meal, I have never had the need after eating pussy. rofl

break someone who is paying for sex?  I put it in an envelope every time.  Easy to carry, precounted, no muss, no fuss.  Is it just because most ladies want it that way that it's such a huge deal?  "I'm not doing that"!
If I was picking up a streetwalker for a quick BJ
that's one thing, but it just seems less crass this way.
It's all part of the illusion, like your really not paying for sex.  I've never had a problem with it.  I don't get it!

find a way to make contact, and you never know. lol

I think it might be fun. as a matter of fact, I know it would be fun.

There are some cities that have hotels that are known as provider friendly and therefore have a fairly high number of ladies (local and touring) with incall locations there or doing outcalls there. I was at the bar at one of these places one night and it took a while to recognize it but it was amusing to see gals tossing empty envelopes into the trash on their way out on a fairly regular basis.

when providers had "bushes".

pussies came complete with their own dental floss. lol

I have to confess, I like the "good new days", I never really liked eating pussy until chicks started shaving, or at least trimming. Nothing is less appetizing than a wet, soggy hairball. lol

I also believe in reciprocating. While I am way too lazy to shave the boys, I do at least stay properly trimmed. Yeah, I know, TMI. lol

Paging Andy of Mayberry-----2 fucking much !-----LMFAO !

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for a gentleman to at least pretend he gives a flying flip about the thousands of gallons of bleach and other paper making byproducts that are dumped into the water as as result of all of this needless envelope production?

Your dates should not be an illusion, period. If your dates need to "act" like they enjoy your company, you're either seeing the wrong ladies, or need to take a second look at how you choose to interact with them. The exposure or hiding of your financial patronage should not affect your experience one iota.

Personally, I find it extremely uncomfortable when gentlemen want to treat the financial aspects like the 500lb gorilla in the corner.

I think you just went into overload over his comment and frankly was uncalled for.

For his simple comment, I don't believe he he was worthy of your bitch-slapping. Have a great weekend if you can.

Then I prefer he NOT set a wad of cash down on the dinner table.

Otherwise, as long as it's there and I can easily see it when I walk in (or he sets it conspicuously down when he walks in), it doesn't matter to me in the least if it's in an envelope or not.

Eve,

Wow. We haven't met, but I've been thinking about it. You are clearly an intelligent, beautiful, captivating young companion.  But the scolding, holier-than-thou tone here is a bit over the top, it seems to me.

I put my donations in an envelope simply because it helps me keep things organized and not make mistakes.  I don't try to hide the exchange, or pretend it's something other than it is.  I try to be as "green" as possible, keep my carbon footprint to a minimum, and generally to be kind to Mother Nature.

Now you make me feel like I'm slightly less than the most attractive hobbyist, or somehow conflicted about what I'm doing, because I use a single conventional office product every now and again.  No offense meant, but sheesh, girl!!

Personally, I don't use envelopes. Not because of 'saving trees' or the products used and dumped into the water. I'm just lazy!

But I dig your passion and agree about our dates not being an illusion.

Plus, Little Phil and Allure` tell me what a hottie you are!

Look forward to meeting you soon!

Let's say the average lady sees 15 dates a month (realistically, I think we both realize that all but the most low volume ladies see far more than this-not a value judgment, just throwing out that I am lowballing these estimates for the broader provider population.) Now, if every one of these dates provides the lady with an envelope wrapped "donation," then that's 15 envelopes a month. That's 180 envelopes a year. Let's pretend the ladies average 7 years as a provider-that comes to a total of 1260 envelopes.

Again, keep in mind I am probably greatly lowballing the "real" averages here. Now, multiply that lowballed "career average" times the thousands upon thousands of ladies that are available via the internet in the US alone.

We all have our ecologically damaging vices. It's hard not to when our entire culture was built around consumerism and waste. And, to be quite honest, the Earth will still be a spinning long after it's shaken us off like fleas. The single most common mistake I see people make in terms of environmental issues is employing the false rationale that it's ok because it's only "just them" and "just now and again." No one exists in a vacuum, and I truly, firmly believe we all have a responsibility to recognize and respect that each of us is one of many, and we are all ultimately interdependent.

The concepts of "illusions" and protecting the woman's dignity by not flashing money are just beyond silly to me. This isn't a play, there isn't a 4th wall that we all need to respect. Creating this whole elaborate set up around such a simple thing forces an unnaturalness through inserting boundaries and protocol into the relationship where they aren't needed. Personally, this makes me extremely uncomfortable, because if a patron's actions suggest to me that he views the monetary aspect as dirty or disrespectful, it absolutely makes me question what he thinks of my decision to embrace my life as a companion.

No disrespect to you, but I have never once hidden my opinions behind an alias for precisely the reason that if a gentleman chooses to not see me over such thoughts, then it is probably for the best. I express myself openly precisely because I do so value compatibility.

Please do you need to do this White Knight impersonation in a fight you have no dog in?

Opps, you do have a dog in it, since you want to see her because Little Phil and your ATF Allure say she is cute.

Pathetic really.

Eve's a fucking hottie! She's cool as fuck, and just because LP and Allure` know we'll dig each other confirms what I already knew!

Read the review here in a couple months!