Dudes, if you ever thought about finding a sugar baby, the holiday season is the time.  Since Thanksgiving, things have picked up dramatically in Sugarland.  Three SBs have hit me up for an 'arrangement' on short notice.

These SBs need money now, like right now, for Christmas shopping, ski trips, etc. I bedded two SBs yesterday and I'm still sore & exhausted.  Note to self: you're old.  For guys who are thinking about this--If you can't bed an SB in the next few weeks, you never will.  Just be conservative on that first date & don't mention anything about having sex with her.  She knows why you're there. Once she finds out that you're a sane gentleman, she'll probably jump in bed with you before you can say Jingle Bells.  --z

Do you get one free " try out" before you have to sign up?

Zangari, I sent you a pm, did you get it?

After seeing your post about 'sugarland' a while back, I decided to try it myself.  It's definitely way more work that finding a provider lol, but I've enjoyed it so far.  I met one sb who I had a great time with - dinner, drinks, then off to a hotel.  She has become a regular hookup.  I would rate her a 7.5/10.  I met another sb and it was horrible sex lol, just a complete waste of time.  I'm working on getting something going with a really hot 20 year old college sb who if I get, I can then die a happy man lol.  

The best of all may be this 22 year old Hooters waitress.  We had a few nice conversations and pretty much agreed on a friends with benefits thing.  Then out of the blue she says her friend is looking for a sd also and asked if I would consider a threesome!!  Uhm, yes please!!  This is supposed to happen in the next two weeks so I will let you know.  I would rate both of these girls solid 8's from their photos, but we'll see how good they look in person.

The whole sb thing is way more of a challenge, but somehow that makes it more exciting.  In a way it's like the thrill of the hunt!

Has anyone else tried their luck?

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coeds are looking for books and tuition at the beginning of the year.  This was easy to do on Craigslist, but I wouldn't try it on backpage.  The more of relationship you want the better the sex and the less the cost per afternoon, evening and night.  If you WANT somebody older you should have saved.

Don't worry if  you're education is limited if they are in their first year their's is too.

in addition to compensation?

Also directed to any one who "sugarbabes" do you expect to be her exclusive sugar dad?

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Zangari, can I ask what general region you are looking in?  Reason I ask is because I'm finding my response rate is kind of low.  And I'm a decent looking guy and I just turned 40, so I'm not a 70 year old guy that would make a girl say heck no, lol.  I'm looking in the DC, VA, NC areas.  Also, I know we can't mention other sites here, but the sd site that I'm using is the main one, comes up first on google, people 'looking for arrangements'...

Also Zangari, do you have any overall tips on how you initially talk to these girls?

Thanks!

I doubt they would expect a Man twenty years her senior to be managomous, just like you wouldn't expect a woman twenty years your junior to be managomous.

Even if she lived in my mansion why would I expect her to be exclusive, When I would still be paying for her company.

Hobbyland has been pretty good to me lately but all my money goes to bills or into savings - I could use an SD to spoil me lol.  I wonder what Sugarland looks like from a woman's perspective...

You must be right. I got back in the hobby a few months ago at the end of a two year SB relationship. My ole SB was in town visiting family and called me for dinner (no sex has boyfriend) to catch up and also to offer to introduce me to a possible new SB------her younger sister!!!! We met, she's gorgeous and bright and sweet and 18. We got together again on our own. Tonight is dinner and first sex with new SB.......wish me luck.

End of the month is another one.  Same with April 15, when taxes are due.

Still trying to learn this area. Too young to be a daddy but never too early to start learning.

How do you "approach?" and how would you locate one anyways? And make sure she is down for it?

I don't want to end up with diabetes...

and speaking of sugar, no need to sugar coat the term hooker. Plenty of sweet ass around, the rounder the sweeter.

Maybe I should create a profile on one of those sites and  hope to find a sugar momma. Heck, I need to buy presents for the family, hahaha

I like to have 2 sugarbabes walkin around naked in my house - I'll feed em, house em, entertain them, and I will take them to vacation in 5-star resorts, and I tuck em warm in bed every night.
I want to sleep sandwich between two sugarbabes.

The Crazy guy who has millions should not be running out of cash - a million's a million, unless CrazyShit's million is paper money for the Monopoly game, or he's used his cash to wipe his ass full of crazyshit. LOL.

Excellent info Zangari, thanks!  I think my problem may have been messaging girls who haven't logged in during the past month or so.  It seems like the best bet is to try the girls with the most recent profile creation.  

Zangari, 2 quick questions.  First, once you agree to go behind closed doors, what sort of $$$ range are you giving them, and how did you come to the amount.  Did you throw a figure out there and see if it sticks?

Second, regarding your profile on the SD/SB site.  Do you write an elaborate description of yourself, interests, etc., or do you keep it simple and short?

Thanks again!

Reading this is was entertaining.
Zangari has the right approach, but that only works with some SB's.
Most real SB's aren't going to just hop into bed with a potential SD bed so easily. SD1 and I had four dates before we became intimate. SD2 and I don't ever have sex.
SD1 =3k allowance for month, not including dates and shopping trips and travel
SD2 = ~3.5k, plus school books, pleasure reading, and dates.

It's not all NSA with every SB. I have what I like to call a LTR NSA. A really good SD also knows how to mentor his SB, help her with her career/school/ambitions. SD2 likes to help me plan what I will do after I graduated (which grad schools, etc).

Many high quality SD's would drop an SB right away if she was an escort. So I can never tell my SD's about my exciting "secret life". Also, on a certain site, if your pictures look very "pro", almost escort-ish, Many SD's will not contact the SB. If they wanted that, they would come here.

Millions ? and can't barely pay taxes on April 15 .. Lmao

I would dump a SB who would not go to bed with me on the first date, because I'm a sex dynamo.  

Maybe you're talking about older SD in their 60s who just need companionship rather than sex. Older retired dudes whose SO passed away or are single need those 'companion type' arrangements.

SD1 sounds like the best case!  Essentially money for nothing?

Posted By: ChinaRose

Reading this is was entertaining.
Zangari has the right approach, but that only works with some SB's.
Most real SB's aren't going to just hop into bed with a potential SD bed so easily. SD1 and I had four dates before we became intimate. SD2 and I don't ever have sex.
SD1 =3k allowance for month, not including dates and shopping trips and travel
SD2 = ~3.5k, plus school books, pleasure reading, and dates.

It's not all NSA with every SB. I have what I like to call a LTR NSA. A really good SD also knows how to mentor his SB, help her with her career/school/ambitions. SD2 likes to help me plan what I will do after I graduated (which grad schools, etc).

Many high quality SD's would drop an SB right away if she was an escort. So I can never tell my SD's about my exciting "secret life". Also, on a certain site, if your pictures look very "pro", almost escort-ish, Many SD's will not contact the SB. If they wanted that, they would come here.

Posted By: Zangari

Dudes, if you ever thought about finding a sugar baby, the holiday season is the time.  Since Thanksgiving, things have picked up dramatically in Sugarland.  Three SBs have hit me up for an 'arrangement' on short notice.

These SBs need money now, like right now, for Christmas shopping, ski trips, etc. I bedded two SBs yesterday and I'm still sore & exhausted.  Note to self: you're old.  For guys who are thinking about this--If you can't bed an SB in the next few weeks, you never will.  Just be conservative on that first date & don't mention anything about having sex with her.  She knows why you're there. Once she finds out that you're a sane gentleman, she'll probably jump in bed with you before you can say Jingle Bells.  --z

You are not an SD then, just a hobbyist.
And those girls with whom you are intimate with on the fist date? Not real SB's.
Have fun pretending to be a real gentleman though.

Neither of them are "best case". I get different needs satisfied by both. Unlike providing, in the sugar world real SD's care for their SB's.
Money for "essentially nothing" is how it would be viewed they were hobbying with me. Since they are not, that oversimplification is incorrect.

Posted By: dchang911

SD1 sounds like the best case!  Essentially money for nothing?

Posted By: ChinaRose

Reading this is was entertaining.
Zangari has the right approach, but that only works with some SB's.
Most real SB's aren't going to just hop into bed with a potential SD bed so easily. SD1 and I had four dates before we became intimate. SD2 and I don't ever have sex.
SD1 =3k allowance for month, not including dates and shopping trips and travel
SD2 = ~3.5k, plus school books, pleasure reading, and dates.

It's not all NSA with every SB. I have what I like to call a LTR NSA. A really good SD also knows how to mentor his SB, help her with her career/school/ambitions. SD2 likes to help me plan what I will do after I graduated (which grad schools, etc).

Many high quality SD's would drop an SB right away if she was an escort. So I can never tell my SD's about my exciting "secret life". Also, on a certain site, if your pictures look very "pro", almost escort-ish, Many SD's will not contact the SB. If they wanted that, they would come here.

Posted By: Zangari

Dudes, if you ever thought about finding a sugar baby, the holiday season is the time.  Since Thanksgiving, things have picked up dramatically in Sugarland.  Three SBs have hit me up for an 'arrangement' on short notice.

These SBs need money now, like right now, for Christmas shopping, ski trips, etc. I bedded two SBs yesterday and I'm still sore & exhausted.  Note to self: you're old.  For guys who are thinking about this--If you can't bed an SB in the next few weeks, you never will.  Just be conservative on that first date & don't mention anything about having sex with her.  She knows why you're there. Once she finds out that you're a sane gentleman, she'll probably jump in bed with you before you can say Jingle Bells.  --z

Also, neither of my SD's are 60 or even close. I live in SF, so I have access to all the young start up CEO's and CFO's in the Silicon Valley tech area. They're so cute with their blazers over button downs and chuck sneakers.
In the SB world, I get to be picky (not like here). So I chose men I was sexually and intellectually attracted to. They must feel the same, or I'm sure they would have left the arrangement.

When I am a provider I can be all about sex and money. But as an SB I have to be so so so much more. It's actually more tiring, when I think about it. My SD's also help me with "networking". It makes getting internships THAT much easier when you have someone established in your world, to get you in.

So men just really like mentoring young women. Like SD2. *shrugs* The sugar bowl isn't for anyone. It's more time, investment, and money in the long run. But that's why there is hobbying AND sugar. Plus everything in between. So everyone has something.

And for the really attractive, charismatic men...there is free sex with lovely ladies.

I don't have PM at the moment, but wanted to say I like the way you express yourself on this thread.  Intelligent and sexy.  I also enjoyed your site. If you ever come to the Right Coast, be sure to post your presence on the New York Ad Board, and I will be sure to try to look you up.   Based on your expressed preferences, I have no doubt we'd enjoy each others' company.

I don't know the answer and I am too lazy to look it up. Maybe CCPA could chime in. But reading your comment, my gut instinct tells me it is incorrect.

I believe way more people get refunds than owe taxes come April 15. Employees get taxes taken out of their checks all year. Self employed folks pay estimated taxes during the year. Sure when filing time comes, some people still owe, and the smartest folks actually have it figured out so they break even. they don't owe anything but they also don't get a refund because they didn't overpay (thus not allowing the government to use their money interest free all year), but I bet the majority of tax payers get a refund. This is why so many stores and car delaers etc, have big sales that time of the year, figuring people have extra money, rather than being short on funds.

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I looked it up. This was statistics form a few years ago, but I bet it doesn't change much. 77% of tax filers received a refund!

I had suspended my search for a sb because of an upcoming move but one I had messaged a few weeks ago replied out of the blue wanting to go christmas shopping. We left with a lot of bags! Went to dinner the next day and a couple lunches. I have never handed her cash but did pay a phone bill and insurance payment and an allowance has never been discusssed. She seems very content to be able to buy what she wants. Nothing bcd yet but some great goodbyes.  her room mate has a sd that is coming coming over for a sleepover Monday and she needed a place to stay and she asked me to get us someplace. I got us a nice upscale room. I have loved my time with escorts and will continue to see my favorite but this has something else to it. I kind of like not knowing it is a sure thing. Feels more like the real world. With all added together, I am pretty close to 2K in at this point. I don't think that is bad for an overnite unless the sex sucks! Won't know that until to late but she is a fun girl to hang with so either way won't be a total loss. I wouldn't rate her as high as Zang has so far. A strong 7.5 but she is cute as a button. I am a sucker for short and petite!

After the holidays their service will most likely suffer anyway. Their attentive when they damn well feel like it. Other times, they exude a "I'll fuck em when I want to" attitude.

I also have learned quite a bit.  I checked out some SD/SB sites, and didn't have much luck.  In my area, seems all the SBs wanted real young guys, as if a young guy starting out in life had that kind of wealth unless they think all the young SD's have generous inheritances already.  Also, most of the price ranges of the "arrangements" are so high, they are ridiculous.  Seems there is a extreme over valuation of beauty and p***y in this country, especially in this economy.  Yeah, good luck getting a job with your college degree that pays that kind of income.  Also clueless why some men would pay out good money for no sex.  And here I am wondering about my plan to give my favorite winghouse bartender/waitress a $50 visa card for her birthday..... who by the way is absolutely adorable.

Because not enough money is withheld on bonus checks.  Most of my Wall Street brethren end up paying on April 15, even if they claimed zero exemptions.  CCPA can probably explain how it works.  All I know is that I have gotten crushed on the AMT every single year, and no amount of charitable contributions or deductions seems to offset it.  Then again, I don't make seven figures, either, and I live in NYC.

Here's an article in the NY Times that explains the AMT and how it crushes those who make mid-six figure incomes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/24/your-money/taxes/obama-tax-plan-could-be-a-wash-for-some-high-earners.html?_r=0

I'm not speaking for the anyone else, just making a general statement about how cash gets tight around April 15, because many people actually do end up OWING the government money.  I would venture to guess that this number has increased as people have started doing things like claiming more exemptions so that less cash is withheld, largely due to the economy.  

Again, I am not speaking for anyone other than myself, but I know that April 15 is a day where money goes out the door for me.

Most Wall Street guys I know end up still owing money, and that's even after making estimated tax payments throughout the year IN ADDITION to what is being withheld.

If a SB has to listen and be there emotionally for the SD, that actually might be a bigger cost on someone than simply having sex.

aka GPS in the SD lexicon.  Leave these girls for the rockstars and bankers.  Let them deal with the headache.
Z does make a good point about some being more reasonable once the ice is broken, but the GPS's are usually easy to spot from their profiles.