I posit this question because there is a Provider touring thru the Buckeye State and to put it bluntly this Woman may be the MOST "conventionally" attractive women I have EVER seen (inside and outside of the hobby).  I mean by every measure this chick is a 10++++ (awesome bod, big tits, etc.).  Now mind you this is one form of beauty.  Everyone views attractiveness differently.  But for the sake of this argument this chick is just a ABSOLUTE FUCKING KNOCKOUT.  

(Note:  My wife is not this type of woman OK.  But today she came home after a 12 hour workday completely stressed out, not in the best mood and I thought damn she is more attractive than ever.)

So I started to think to myself am I a loser because I have to fork out $500 to F--- her?  What about the guy that walked into a bar, picked her up and banged her at home?  I know that's a fantasy and probably never happened - but what if it did?  In my book I got to give that guy SERIOUS RESPECT.

Now I am happily married and don't really give a shit about getting laid at a bar.  But the thought is curious:  Do I feel like a loser because I have to pay?  Do you feel like a loser?  Would you ever be able to date a woman like that without paying for it?  

I know this sound batshit crazy but I can't get it out of my mind.

go for it..this is all about living out your fantasies and dreams..if you dont..you surely will regret it..it will gnaw at you like a festering sore..

But fortunately, we are losers with money so it's not all bad.

we can still fuck and suck ladies we always dreamed about

I now choose to not spend the time, money, and aggrivation of chasing 'free' pussy.  BTW, Show me a man that says he has had truly free pussy and I'll show you either a fool or a virgin!  

MVR

I'll answer your question by posing another question, something that has been on my mind since I started hobbying almost four years ago:

In college, I was a starting tailback for a large northeastern university, which for purposes of discretion shall remain anonymous. I was not a star, had zero chance of going pro, and felt lucky to be playing all for what was, at the time, a team lacking in overall talent. Yet I was able to sleep with nearly twenty attractive-to-beautiful college girls as a consequence of what I had that most other guys on campus did not, specifically name recognition and the ability to run quickly while holding a ball and being chased down by other large men...

These days I am a wealthy professional with a portly body but ready cash in hand. Nobody but myself and my family remembers my days on the field, and providers sleep with me because I give them little green pieces of paper in a white envelope.

So I wonder if there is any significant difference between bedding ladies because of athletic skill vs having disposable income? Why does doing the former make one a stud, and doing the latter make one a looser?

There is no free lunch, and there is no free pussy.  You are paying one way or another.  

Option 1: Pay upfront.  See a provider, you know exactly what you are paying, and you get a guarantee.

Option 2: Get it on layaway.  This is when you buy a chick some drinks etc, but you never know what this is going to cost you in the end, and in fact, you never know what you are buying anyway, the guarantee is implied, but not really.

Option 3: Get it on a permanent installment plan.  This is when you get married, it is the most expensive one of all, and ironically, it is the one that has no guarantee whatsoever, and it comes with a lot of other maintenance expenses and problems.

Although there are tons of hot sorority girls that I could potentially have sex with, I prefer escorts.
Why? Because they are more experienced and know how to make a man happy.

Plus, my girlfriend recently broke up with me so I don't want to deal with any local girls. We were together for many years and most of our high school friends go to the same university.

And no, I don't consider myself a loser just because I pay for a lady's time. My ex was gorgeous, so yes I can date a hot woman without paying for it.

Sure you can find pick someone up at the bar but you have to have time and patience because not every girl you hit on you will be able to bring home.  And on some nights, there may not be enough attractive ladies available to hit on.  So it requires time.  Great if you have that.  Some people enjoy the chase and  the thrill of chasing after another girl.

Hobbying is about convenience.  I would guess many in this hobby are busy professionals or married (also with a busy life) and simply don't have the time to hang out at the bars on many nights to just hit on a girl and bring her home.  I know I would rather pick someone up at the bar as I enjoy the thrill as well, but reality is, I simply don't have time to hang out that often at bars.  

Why should you feel ashamed?  Live life with confidence, pride, and no regrets.  You're not a loser unless you think you are.

Paying for it doesn't mean you're a loser, but it might.  Without knowing your particular set of circumstances, I wouldn't know and honestly wouldn't care.  That's, quite frankly, an issue for your shrink or therapist.

Having said that, here's how I see it.  Sometimes paying for it opens up the door for you getting an intro to a girl that you will never have a chance with otherwise.

I know a girl who is very popular at the moment, and she gives me a good discount off our session.  I won't say how much, but let's just say it's very, very significant.  She and I get along well, and we have a great time in session.

Now...the truth is that if I met her at a bar, my looks wouldn't cut it, and no way in hell would I get her number and the chance to see her intimately.  However, because I got the "in" by paying for it, she got to know me, and would have no problem dating me in another situation--well, she would be open to it, is more accurate.  The fact that she gives me such a severely discounted rate and is going to be RAISING her rates soon because she is currently oversubscribed at her current $500/hour rate tells me that she is being at least somewhat sincere.

In any event, that's MY take on it.  YMMV.

Yep I'm a loser. Never been laid in my life if I didn't pay for it. Never had a civvy date or civvy girlfriend. Never been married. Have no game. No clue how to pick up girls. Went through high school and college a virgin while all my friends were getting laid. Pretty girls wouldn't give me the time of day. But I discovered pay for play in my mid 20s. Now I'm a 55 year old fat ugly fuck, but with a few bennys in an envelope, I get to hang out with (and have sex with) the same pretty gals (less than half my age, now) who would never give me the time of day when I was their age and not so fat (but maybe still ugly).    So maybe I'm a winner after all!!!

I totally agree.......couldn't said it any better.

You're a loser if you feel like a loser.  You're a winner if you feel like a winner.

Everything else is just chin music.

Go fuck that gal and get it out of your system, then see us in the AM.

i hear this all the time, and its a bunch of shit. i have fucked many a woman without spending  a dime on them, without taking more than an hour of my time trying to get her or without ever hearing her bitch and moan about anything.

ive had a complete stranger blow me to get back at her cheating bf. ive had a friend introduce me to her friend and we have a threeway that night, never to see the other girl again. if these things dont happen to you, maybe YOU are the problem

i get what you are saying, but if the college girls dont know how to please you, you are at a shit college.

However one of the questions posed was, is he a loser because he paid for this beautiful lady with an attitude, when someone goes into a bar and picks her up and takes her home? Either way you pay for it, but one is not arranged by e-mail, PM's, text messaging, and phone calls. Not a lot of thrill in that chase. The conquest of seeing someone, finding them attractive and having the confidence to go up to them and start a conversation. Have her find you attractive (not your money), and have things in common and a REAL conversation that leads you back to a bedroom with no time clock. When I do that to you, then yes you are a loser.

I will admit it is a lot of work, but the thrill of the chase is in all men. The easy route is not always the best, it's just easy. We are all here for the easy route, but I'm happy to know that I don't always have to chose that path.

... doesn't care.

You went on a 4 paragraph diatribe how this provider of yours gives you a discount. Wow!

Are we supposed to care?

You, also suggested that this guy go to a therapist. It's you that needs one.

Serpius

If you really think about it...you're not paying money for her to fuck you.  You're paying money so that after you do fuck her, she'll leave.  It's all about the way you look at things.  Some people think that if you sign up to be an organ donor in the event you die in a car crash that youre helping someone else live that might otherwise die.  Sure, that's one way to look at it.  But an equally fair alternative is that the person receiving your donated organ is actually donating their body to keep a piece of you alive!  Life doesnt have to be viewed through one lens....there any many lenses you can use...its all in the perspective.

I was stood up 45 minutes before my appointment (that I had scheduled 3 weeks out) by a total knockout that is currently touring the Buckeye state, my state, without an explanation. So, be careful. I won't name drop, but she has all outstanding reviews and is a total knockout (can't see her face) but all reviews have said she is beautiful.

Are we losers? No I don't think so. My ex wife got fat, and not that it bothered me so much as it got in her head and turned her into a jealous, insecure person. I never cheated on my ex, but I was accused of it so many times that it drove the proverbial wedge between us. So now I hobby. I get to see beautiful, sexy, confident, and incredible performance providers and I don't have to deal with the drama or a head case of someone who feels bad about herself so she wants to make me feel bad. I don't mind sleeping alone, in fact I prefer it.

Unless you are some hot fuckin model with a 8 pack stomach, sexy European accent and the way you talk is smooth as butter, you are not going to bat 100%.  Now lets do the math, cover charge for bar/club+one or two or three drinks for yourself+every drink that you buy a hot girl tring to score and strike out until you finally get one.  That all add up, also, by the time you do score with some girl, you probably strikes out a few times...at this time not only you have shelled out equal amounts of money as you would if you called a provider in the first place...but getting rejected a few times in the night, you suffered a bit on yor ego and your standards dropped.  By the end of the night, the girl you score with is probably less attractive not only to the first girl you laid your eyes on when you first walked into the club but also a lot less attractive than the provider you could've seen. Happy hobbling everyone.

Fat guys need love too but we gotta pay!

Give it a rest already....Sheesh!

You cry on other boards about TER and their rules...and then you post shit to folks here who actually have something of value to add to a thread.

Unlike how your posts come off!

Go to the bar.....end up meeting a gal.  Go out 2-4 times.  You're already spending $300+.  

I'm here because I recently split up with a gal I was with for over 9 years.  I'm not interested in dating right now.  I am trying to throw most of my energy into a new business idea.  An hour or two with a pro will more than make up for my sex life over the last year.  And IMO, if you do your research, you'll find someone who wants to be pleasured and is more than happy to pleasure you.  

If you can't come to terms with that in your head, I'd recommend trying something else.  The more I read, the more I think you have to have a certain mindset to hobby or it will eat you alive.

It maybe your money, cock size, personality, good looks or game. Take Hugh Hefner for example dudes 86 years old bangs beautiful blondes. Now I assume being worth 43 million has something to do with it, most woman find rich men attractive.

You are what you think you are , if you think you're a "LOSER" then you're a loser! If you don't have anything that's appealing about you that enables you to get laid then yes you're a loser.

I may have a 2.5 inch cock (fuck you hung studs)

but i would never consider myself a loser because my positives by far exceed my negatives

I myself am university student as well, I finished my undergrad a year ago. Took a year off and now back in school to work on my masters. During my last year of my undergrad, I got job at this small accounting firm. While I was there , I was introduced to the hobby.  One day went out to lunch with some co-workers, they just started co casually talked about hobbying. I couldn't believe it at first, I asked all the silly newbie questions, was shown what sites to look at,etc. By the end of the lunch, they asked if I do it. At first I said no, I couldn't at the time comprehend paying for sex. Quite silly now that I think of it, since there is no such thing as free sex.  But anyway, those guys were  determined that day to get me into the hobby,  that offered to pay for my first session with a provider.  I couldn't turn down that gracious offer, so later that week, got set up and I've been hooked to hobby since.
So I've been hobbying for over 2 years now. Been a reader of the boards for awhile, but haven't decided to join and post up until this year.
Yeah you're right, these women are experienced, but I had few sorority girls that can give some providers a run for their money heh. I don't feel like a loser at all. I can get a girlfriend, it's no big deal.  From time to time, I have a few fwb or hook up with ex's. At this point in my life, I'm not looking for a girlfriend. Just don't have the free time I used to and don't really want to have any unnecessary drama.  

This is a very interesting conversation that I just had with a guest this past week.
He was concerned about meet a provider in a local bar and then going back to his place.
As I told him, when YOU CALL I cum to where you want me too and I leave.
I don't make another contact with a guest unless they are in need.

There are men that still pick women at the bar, but that can get complicated.  As in the guest above, he got caught having an affair because she was calling him all hours of the night.
The other woman always thinks that he would change and she would end up marrying him.
Well, he was married for over 25+ years and 3 adult children and the other women left him in the middle of the divorce.  The divorce took over 3 years because of property and a business.

He likes his life now because it is simple with no drama
Like I told him I only come when I get the call

Kisses
JC

I'm just lazy, and fed up with the dating thing.
Too much trouble finding the right girl.
I can get laid by civie girls. Just to damn lazy.
Also, as BIB stated down the board.  All the kinky freaks I pick up turn prude if they think our relationship is going somewhere. I don't have time for that shit. I'm a busy guy.
I have video games to play, and weed to smoke.
Jeez I have priorities.
Oh. Maybe I am a loser.

and to ones personal aesthetic tastes is considered losing; then why isn't the same so with everything else?

Hi,

I choose not to be & darn, I wish I had the cash to see a beauty next month!!

CF2, a miid-aged, ugly dude  ;D

You have been blacklisted several times.

If I were you, I'd stop stalking me.  Or the TER mods may decide to take away this semblance of an online life that you have.

... act like a normal human being, then start acting like one.

All of this cyber bullying that you like to do doesn't look good on you.

All we have seen from your long winded postings is nothing but 'I this', 'I that' and 'I want'. It's all about you. It gets tiresome after a while.

Serpius

I don't care about you.  I don't care to be your friend.  I don't need you to send me messages about how you feel bummed out.  I don't see you as anyone else other than a faceless name on this board, and that's the way it will stay.

Next stop is you getting reported to TER.  You are going way beyond being just a nuisance.

i'm with oldted.  it occurred to me early in my hobbying career that if i did something well enough to make enough  $$$ to spend on hot women to do me the way i want it, and not feel the crunch at bill paying time cuz i wasted it, then i am def. not a loser.  maybe i'm not the smartest guy at retirement savings, but i must be doing something very right to have extra cast to spend in this way.

you're no loser if you're living your life the way you want to.  dude that is the very definition of success.

whenever i hear a guy say "i never have to pay for sex," i wonder if he would think it was so great if he said "i never have to pay for a haircut."  these ladies we see are incredibly skilled, way more skilled than any civilian i ever met, and they will (within reason) do exactly what you ask and do it with a smile.  i doubt highly that a guy who picks up a chick in a bar gets that kind of service.

as with anything else in life, you get what you pay for!

NOT for me...that's for sure.

TER implemented the "ignore" feature.  Consider using it and you won't be subjected to any more intelligent discussions.  You can simply read the threads that discuss "where do I put my cum"!!

Go and get a life outside the boards already.

YOU are the one that is tiresome....check the mirror pal!

Do you enjoy Golf?  ($2-400 for a round at a quality course, counting cart fees, lost balls, drinks afterwards);
Do you enjoy boating? $5/gallon for fuel for an engine that burns 5-50 gallons per hour - $500 - $5,000 for a day on the water;
Do you enjoy gambling? $1-5K losses per day at the table unless your better than most of us;
Do you enjoy fine dining with fine wine? $500-$2,000/dinner at a 5 star
Do you enjoy a sex romp with a beautiful young (younger than you) woman? $300 - $1,000

Some of us just enjoy great sex!

I don't know about you but I pay for them to leave !!'  I pay for sex with hot women because once I leave I don't want phone calls. Texts, emails or anything else that says I miss you, in love you...  Whatever!!  Bottom line.  Inlay them to leave me alone after we FUCK.  How anyone put there get that??? WTF??

(Admittedly without having gone down to read every response in the thread. Apologies if this has already been posted.)

That hypothetical guy who she bangs at the bar is likely to have his personal time (time not with her) imposed on via a call the next day. If she saw you while wearing her companionship hat, then chances are likely she's not going to call you or send you lovey texts the next day. You know, when you're with your wife.

ALL relationships have some form of transaction (though in most situations women are dumb enough to pay it forward and then hope really hard for a snuggle fest or a Bentley or whatever in return). In most cases, I'd argue that open financial compensation for a lady's time, such as what you see in professional companionship, is simply a trade out from the more traditional transaction of emotional commitment, time impositions (the companion will not call you at 2AM whining about a bad day, unless she has little understanding of her professional boundaries; a girlfriend will), and the like.

If you're a loser because you engage in any form of transaction in a relationship/interaction, then so is everyone else on this planet. So, you're either not a loser, or in good company,