The other day I was having sex with my wife.  Yes day because we take a couple of hours off work to have sex at home (without the kids) because she is quite the screamer

And I got to thinking.  During our sex I was on top and she reached in between to finger her clit so she could cum or cum harder not sure which one but anyway.  She does that every now and then.  It is a little bit uncomfortable but I deal with.

So I thought I never had a Provider do that.  And how would I feel if a Provider did that.  

I think that when a man is paying $300/$400 he has the right to be selfish.  I don't want any part of my time to be uncomfortable for me.  Shit its my $$$.

I mean am I supposed to pay her and make sure she has a good time as well.  Damn, can this not be about me?  

Hobbying should be about His Pleasure NOT Her Pleasure.

And please no bullshit about if she has a good time YOU will have a good time.  

Do you think the waitress at Applebee's WANTS you to enjoy your meal or wants a good tip?

Wow, you are sure coming off as an ass here. It isn't like you are saying you don't think you should have to DATY if you don't want to. You are stating it bothers you if she enjoys herself at all. I don't believe for a second that it is actually an inconvenience that she touches herself. But it sure is bothering you that she is giving any attention to herself at all. You feel like it must mean that is attention you aren't getting somehow.

She is a person too man. Go buy a flashlight if that fact bothers you.

to try to ensure she cums too makes you uncomfortable? But you "deal with it"?

Hmmm...lucky gal, your wife.

I would feel perfectly fine if a provider "did that"...on "my $$$".

You're only making a point about focusing on YOUR pleasure when it's on YOUR dime and there's nothing wrong with that.

Likewise, there's nothing wrong w/ folks who want to focus on their pleasure AND their partner's on their dime.

Different strokes for different folks.

Just enjoy the time you paid for however you want.

PS. I've been a waitress & my goal was for patrons to have a nice time AND receive a nice tip. They aren't exclusive, and a server can want both.

My time with women is multiplied by a fun factor of 10 if they have an "O". Do they fake it sometimes? Sure. But being a selfish lover never really seemed to make much sense to me. Why dont you go down to Pete's Porno Palace and buy a blow up sex doll and save yourself the 3 or 4 bills on a real girl. Then with the money you saved you can take your "date" down to Appleby's, prop her up in one of the booths in the corner, and treat her to the $20 two person meal deal. Since she's fake, you can eat all the food so it can all be about you. Have a great time!

I would agree with you wonders if his example wasnt what it was. Hell it bothered him even when his wife did it. And by agree I mean be willing to say different strokes for different folks. His position just seemed to come across more as his pleasure at the exclusion of hers rather then his pleasure and he being indifferent to hers

Damn. I meant fleshlight.

When I book an escort p4p date, it's all about the guy getting off. That's my focus & the reason I'm there, so I don't mind if I don't get a chance to cum at all.

Tons of women don't have orgasm anyway unless done right for THEIR own body and with the right person (like their life partner) so if a guy is really pressed for me to come, I'll fake it or explain to them that I need to use my vibrator. Most guys love when I use my vib. meowwwwww!

Regardless there's no rights or wrongs when it comes to how any of us approach this world.


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then it is. Yes, it's sad that's how he approaches marriage, but that should be left for them to resolve. As far as the pay for play environment, I can't expect much more from him.

Maybe sad, but it's still his approach and we can't fault anyone for how they do things here.......is what I'm thinking.

enjoy herself while she is with me. It is a turn on when she cums. What is better than her cumming as you fuck or DATY her.

Personally that's my preference.

There's no pressure about coming. I can just get him off and make him smile...

But hey, we all have our preferences, just like the OP.

He's unsure if its to make sure she cums or if she cums harder by doing it. There is a very secret way of finding info like that out about her. It's called "asking". He's too self consumed to consider such radical behavior. So of course he looks at a provider as someone even beneath that level of apathy. Next time Ridgefucky, try for "human". Sadly, your blow up doll cares more about people than you.

If it's supposed to be all about you.

It's called making love for a reason. Most of us desire the experience of giving and receiving pleasure with another flesh and blood human being.

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I wasn't judging other ladies or you, but you want to take that upon yourself.

I've had orgasms w/ stranger clients, but not all ladies do. And I won't pretend I have one every time, so if that means YOU feel bad for me, that's actually sad for YOU than anyone else.

i never knew the meaning of "outlandish" till i started reading this moron's threads..please people..ignore this trivial troll..

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You are so right! I want you to come; if you don't, I'll feel disappointed.

At 9 pm and I read about a guy who's wife just wants to enjoy sex. While mine snorz away and I'm on a fuck board.

Enjoy the time you paid for however you want? Sorry, but you are mistaken. Really?? You think he should stop a lady from doing that? Mood-kill! Wonder what the rest of the session would be like once she knows what a pig he is. The high-end ladies I deal with call the shots. 300-400 bucks? They make CERTAIN you are beyond satisfied. I'm thinking you do NOT enjoy your paid time however you want. That is a broad statement. If it's not on the menu he won't be enjoying it, period. This dick's wife is lucky, he is SO generous that he "deals" with her touching herself because he satisfies her so thoroughly!!

Go get 'em!!

I think the best response to your rant is, the waitress at Applebees wants me to enjoy my meal so I will tip her well.

I am not under the delusion that a provider will achieve an orgasm with me, but I certainly don't mind if she wants to and if playing with herself makes it happen then I'd encourage her to do so.

Sure, I am paying for it so I want my fun, this is afterall an arrangement. But if we can both get off, why not?

You'll save some money, they won't be expecting you to give them any pleasure at all, and once you get off, you can go on your merry way.

And just out of curiosity, I wonder how many times this lucky wife of yours has bent herself in uncomfortable positions and strained her neck while giving you head, and has dealt with it.

is money well spent.

Hugs!

The client's time and requests are the most important while we are together. My sexual wants are secondary while "working." Now, aside from that, I am a guilty clit rubber and I may do it to get more stimulation or out of habit. Most guys like to see women pleasuring themselves, but I know you're truly unique, wired a little differently, and don't like it. To each his own. I'd rather cum on my time than with a client so he doesn't feel he was slighted in getting what he came for because I can be quite selfish! That's what my FWB are for, to get me off however I want, my time for my pleasure and not "on the clock!" LOL!

In cowgirl position it's quite easy - and fun! - to reach down there and play with my clit while he's deep inside me.  Sometimes I use my fingers, sometimes a vibrator.  The guys like the feel of the vibrator.

No one's complained yet.  I think it's win-win.

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he's not talking about going outside of the menu. where did you get that?
some escorts like a guy who isn't all focused on getting her off. it's too much pressure, b/c then they have to fake it. sometimes it's nice to meet a guy who just wants to get his rocks off and let's us do our job which is getting his rocks off, not ours.


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...however she does it, whether it's me or her, it's all good!

So, would you prefer she break out the Iphone and play on TER whilst you're fkin her? Good, because that's what your money would get you with me bwahahhaa. Trust me..I don't have to literally have an orgasm every time, but it's nice not to be just pounded like a hole in the ground. I tend not to see men who do nothing but drill mindlessly thinking I am even there mentally. When you see your wife or provider staring at the ceiling, she's thinking about the last guy who went down on her. Just sayin.

You are a bigger tool than I ever imagined.

This is hard to write because it sounds so goody goody but it has the advantage of being absolutely true.  I love it when the person (wife, friend with benefit, or provider) I'm with gets off perhaps even more than when I do.  About 30  years ago I found myself with a young new-at-the-game provider provided as a treat to me by a friend.  I got her sitting on my chest looking down at me while I DATY.  She later told me she had never had anyone spend so much time on that and had never come that way (She was very young and very new and I was 30 years younger).  Slowly she got more and more excited, grabbed my head and told me not to stop not to stop until finally she came loudly and wetly in my mouth.  It was wonderful.  I enjoy DATY with someone who is into it more than I enjoy a BBJ (which I love very much).  I love DATO with a women who gets off by this (usually using a vibrator.)  I love to climax, but when it is after or during my partner's climax or if she has a few, that is a wonderful gift she gives me.  
This is not unselfish, it is just what I love to have happen.  
I do believe that this TASTE makes someone unselfish where as someone who does not get real pleasure out of his/her partner's climax has a taste that makes him/her more selfish in his/her behavior.

Yet, he started an entire thread not long ago ranting about how much he respects women, and that we should not call him rude lol. Priceless. Up the meds again big boy....or start mixing them with alcohol.

Exactly. Wow...a wife that not only still wants to have sex with this idiot, but she also sets aside time off of work, and is not a mechanical stiff. He has it so bad.

It's actually self loathing that causes this. He can't fathom any woman actually enjoying herself with a guy like him. Can't imagine why lol.

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He must sit around just trying to find ways to be obnoxious.

Exactly. He is not just saying, "I don't pay a hooker to get HER off," but that it actually annoys him when even his wife tries to. That is not like a guy simply saying, "I am paying, so although I am not worried about her getting off, I also don't mind if she does." He is flat out saying, he finds the thought of any woman enjoying herself with him, to be absurd. I tend to agree with him, because for the life of me I can't imagine ANY woman fkin this guy for money, much less for free!

This business takes all kinds, and many women actually like to connect with the men they are fkin. I am not talking about eye gazing, face stroking, and all that bs, but many of us don't offer half hour quickies for peanuts, so we better at least enjoy some part of the time the guy is there, or we are going to be in rough shape. GFE encompasses so much more than just getting a guy off, which is why some women can charge twice as much as the next.

..... the OP and Wonders should schedule a session asap.  Now there is a review I would enjoy reading or maybe NOT.........LOL

THAT is what makes him selfish. Many guys don't much care if providers have an orgasm, and many providers don't care either lol. Had his post been ONLY about that, it would not have come off so badly. I too enjoy the times, when I can just blow a guy without having to do all the other stuff, but being I have a 2 hour min. that is not likely to happen very often.

If all a guy wants is a blowjob or a quick bang, he can get one for a fourth of the rate, and without jumping through all the hoops I require for a meeting. Men like Ridge are not known to book weeks in advance and for multi hours, so I run an agency that caters to men just like him. Would I see them myself? Nope, but the girls that work actually like not having to offer gfe. They make more money than I do "overall," and deal with a lot less bs. Sure, they might have to see 10 guys a week, but we are only talking 20-30 min. each guy, and they are not having sex.

So I agree, no judgement about what a guy prefers "in the hobby," but he insulted his own wife on a fk board.

I have been happily married for 11 years.  

If you read the post closely you will notice I state "I deal with it".  Selfish Men don't deal with it.

I feel sorry for all of you trying to find friends and intimate connections in a P4P world.

Some of you guys really need to "do the work" get out there and meet the woman for you.  You can be in love and still hobby.  TRUST ME.

As far as some of you gals.  Listen I don't care what a person does for a living.  But I think some of you probably need a good therapist.  You are trying to convince yourselves you are selling more than sex.  Sorry hun.  you are not.



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He deals w/ something that makes him feel uncomfortable in real life, he doesn't want to pay to feel that way in this world. Even if he's approach makes no sense to us, that's just how he feels.

And I know there are tons of GFE definitions but in my time that has never meant that we have to enjoy the sex. How many girls real enjoy sex w/ every single one of their clients? Let's get real. GFE is about the illusion, making it appear that we're getting off. That's what gets those 10/10 scores every time. Now I do get off w/ some of my clients, others not at all. But they're so focused on making escorts come that u have to fake it or flat out saying "it's not gonna happen." In times like that, I'd rather be w/ a ridgetucky that will let me just get him off. That doesn't mean it's any less GFE to take care of his pleasure only.

I just didn't see his post as disrespectful or a big deal. He probably comes off harsh to some people, but I didn't see it that way. IMHO

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Seriously this is a p4p world & the time & energy some guys put into getting us off but it doesn't feel good, it's just a waste of time.

That is the sole focus of some clients, so you have to either fake it or flat out say that their efforts won't work. some of us prefer to get off in the real world, not this one. so it's nice to have clients who realize that & let us do our jobs of getting them off.

It' one thing to say that getting off is his priority.  

It's another thing to be indignant about a provider touching her clit so she can get some stimulation.

I mean, did she fail to arouse him by touching herself?  Should she have been using a free hand to stroke hum as he was going in and out?

Or maybe she should punch him in the face.  Maybe that helps the freak get off.

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to all of the clients some of us have went on no sex dates w/.
That clients who cry in your arms about work issues, family members dying.
To you, it's just sex and that's ok. I like those types of clients a lot. It take less mental energy to satisfy your type. but there are clients who want more of an emotional connection, and for that your blanketed statement doesn't fly.

I get the rest of your post, tho.

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Dude you really are an idiot or you don't understand the difference in GFE  and a 30 minute fuck and fly.

I'm actually going with both options. A selfish man does just deal with it if he says he doesn't care if his wife gets off.  Perhaps you may still be in love with her because you get off with a hooker. Don't worry I'm sure she is probably getting off with the lawnboy bwahahaha.

MM

He used his own WIFE as a pun on a fk board...you missed that. Had he only said that is how he feels about random hookers, not such a big deal, but that's not what he said. The mere fact he had to mention his wife's need to dare want to get off whilst being with him, pretty much paints the picture on the wall and it's not a pretty one. Yes, gfe is about the illusion, but I have never had to fake anything. I flat out tell guys if I don't cum, and it's never an issue. Being able to get off and 'wanting' to get off, are also a world apart. He acts as if he is offended that someone would even want to have an orgasm with him. I can see why lol.

You're a moron. Since when have "I" ever had to sugar coat what I sell? Wrong girl babe, but while we are on the subject, guys don't pay 600 bucks for a quick bang honey. They can get a girl who is younger, hotter, and who will kiss their ass a hell of a lot cheaper than me.

I don't pretend to like any of you, that I really can't stomach and that's been proven. Like I said, I have no problems with guys who want just a fk in the hobby....but guys like you don't see women with 2 and 3 hour minimums, and we know that when we set our rates. We do on purpose to avoid certain types, and it seems to work just fine.

You're deluded to even suggest that I do, or have EVER, let a guy just pound me for hours on end ha ha. DELUDED. So when you say ALL we are selling is sex, it only further reiterates how much YOU need therapy. Many guys see escorts for more than just sex, and the "I fell for a hooker" threads confirm it. I don't like either end of the spectrum of those clients...I prefer the guys who are right in the middle. They come to the hobby to get off, get the provider off, talk to her, take her to dinner either on or off the clock, yet go home to their wives with no delusions about how a provider feels about them when they are done.

I would not brag about being married for 11 years either, because you're not exactly sacrificing shit by screwing random hookers for your own pleasure, and then dogging out your wife on a fk board. I am quite certain she can do a hell of a lot better, but maybe she "deals with it" too. There is a reason you can't give our your TER handle...no one would ever see you.



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scored her higher had she orgasmed b/c that's a big part of his experience & after trying to make her O several times & she couldn't, it put a damper on things.

I know other guys think this, they just don't admit it in their reviews.

"uncomfortable". That hardly means we should schedule a session.

If he said he would feel uncomfortable if an escort wore blue during the session, I'd say he shouldn't pay to feel uncomfortable, and instead she ask her ahead of time if she'd wear red. See I don't care what it is or if I agree, it someone says something makes them feel uncomfortable (even if I don't get it) I'd say they shouldn't pay to feel that way.

It'd be much more productive to actually contribute to the discussion instead of making comments about who should book a session with whom. really i don't get the big deal. guess I should've come out name calling like everyone else, be a part of the mob attack every time he posts. sorry that's not my style.



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He didn't write anything about not wanting a provider to enjoy herself. He said she should not make him uncomfortable just for her pleasure if he's paying her.  

What's wrong with that?

My reading comprehension appears to be better then yours. You missed just what it is that's making him uncomfortable. Her hand wasn't in the way or physically uncomfortable. It was her doing it at all, the very concept, that made him uncomfortable. He also specifically elaborated that their pleasure is irrelevant. The two statements taken together paint a clear picture.

Way to go though defending his point of view. No wonder you use an anonymous account to post.

If it is all about pleasing my clients, am I not supposed to enjoy myself?  Am I to just lay there while he DATY and not cum?

I enjoy the sex as much, if not more, than my clients.  I don't understand this "his pleasure" vs "her pleasure."

I always felt the best sexual experience is when you both can enjoy each other's enjoyment.

If you don't want to read my points, then please don't. I'd hate for you to get so stressed out.

MNJohnny was referring to me, so I replied. No one was even talking to or about u, so I don't know why you got all involved & dramatic.

& no I'm not a dump & go escort. I only book long dates. I just don't think there's value in attacking the OP b/c he pays for his pleasure & not an escorts. There's not one way to do things here. That's hardly anything to get excited over & nothing I'd be ashamed to say to any of my clients. So I don't use an alias b/c I'm scared of anything. I have a stable client base & don't even advertise. I am here to discuss & not meet clients, & constantly advertise.

Sorry discussion pains u so much. yea maybe it's good if u go make urself come so u can relax a little.

not that serious.

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You've posted 17 times on this thread. Seventeen. Do you really want to argue that you've made 17 different points? You just keep saying the same thing, over and over again. Every time someone disagrees with or criticizes the OP, you think you have to post your opinion again. The only nerve you hit is that people are tired of listening to the same song and dance.

I don't agree with the OP and I don't like his style or his attitude. I suspect a lot of posters on this thread feel the same way and therefore may tend to overreact a bit to a specific post, but in general I agree with them that this post paints him as a selfish prick who is surprised that his wife would do something in bed other than help him get his nut.

you don't have to agree, and I respect those who say so... but I don't need to hear it over and over and over again.

You can come all you want, just don't be too loud, it might mess up his rhythm.
Oh, and don't move unless he asks you to.

the client comes (and cums) first.

Your are being paid a substantial fee for your services and all of your efforts should be FOCUSED on the client.

Thank You!

I have only been denied one time because of my handle.  

But truthfully, I could put a post out on one of the city boards "looking for a date" and would get a bunch of PMs within an hour.

Sorry to burst your bubble honey but the only connection that matters in this biz is greenbacks.

That may make me look like an ahole but the truth is the truth.  

I go to work and get paid for my numerical abilities not because my boss likes my black ass

I have no illusions about my value in the marketplace.

I suggest you do the same.


P.S.  It's so SAD because I thought I was making progress with you.  But don't worry I specialize in LOST CAUSES

You're right...stupid hookers only dependent on tricking, will fk anything for a buck lol. Those of us who don't 'HAVE TO' work every day, or even every week for that matter, can tell guys like you to get fked. That is also the truth. Be lucky there are so many desperate, dumb, hookers out there to see you, because many can in fact turn your chump change down, and not think twice about it. It's called having another income or a sugar daddy, moron. How else do you think some of us can post on boards all day long and seemingly never work? Uh, yeah lol.


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Not to read too much into this topic, but isn't it less likely that a frigid female will become a provider? Isn't that largely a non-starter? Isn't it more plausible that women who are more sensual and/or sexually connected will excel as providers, if they combine that sensuality with a personality that is conducive to bonding, albeit temporarily, with a man? Or woman?

has during sex is a fucking idiot. Sex with a sensually confident woman is one of lifes greatest pleasures.

What do you expect her to do with that free hand?

You are basically telling me you think that her getting herself off is one less way of her getting you off.

It isn't.

You are just selfish.

You were bragging about how big your bonus was.

You are a "Wall Street guy" (self-proclaimed) in Ohio.

You offered to pay for some other client to participate in a gang bang with you and a provider.

You are completely full of shit.  If you were really that big of a swinging dick, you wouldn't need to say it.  We would all simply know it.

Don't you pay a lot of your wife's expenses too eben though she has her on job so really you are entitled to communicate with your wife trouble is most men are scared to bring up conversations and live in misery................just ask her outright why she does that and then you can have a confo about it and say oh ok it's juts that it puts me of my rythem a bit