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Re:Why do hobbiests not post reviews of providers?
supernaturalta 6 Reviews 4414 reads
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If a provider specifically asks me NOT to post a review, I won't - unless she was subpar in which case I'll post one anyway to "warn the fellas" so to speak.  Some of the best providers - including my ATF, specifically asks that I not review her; which is unfortunate because she's awesome.  I love posting reviews though - especially good ones.

I have had several clients not wanting to post a review. I have heard reasons varying from "I don't want you to get too popular," to "I don't do reviews." It seems odd to me. If you like the gal, then you would want to pass on the info to your compadres, right? Ranking doesn't matter, but different POV is vital. I have always thought a review as being the *ultimate tip* (beyond flowers & bits of sugar) since it drives more business, and it is considerate for the the hobbiest to take the time to explain his perspective, which is priceless, literally. Feedback from the ones with XY chromosomes please. (Uh-oh, gotcha nervous and confused? Excellent!)

The Big Lebowski2819 reads

I've written only one review in alsmost 2 years.  After awhile it gets boring and I'm not pauliewalnuts or fucyoupayme whatever that means....

Regardless....

The Dude

I generally review everyone I see. I see two important reasons for reviews.

One, which I have not experienced yet, is to caution other hobbyists against ladies who seriously underperform. That is something I have not really experienced, with the exception of no-shows, which is why I'm on line tonight, instead of ...well, you know. I am very much looking forward to the no-show indicator that staff is working on.

Two, in the case of ladies who really work hard to provide a great experience for us guys, I think it is important that we do a bit of marketing for them.

However, netmichelle, having said that, I have always found it very difficult to write reviews. It's such a personal experience.

Michelle,

I posted my one review because the ladies asked me to.  (Yes, "ladies.")

On the other hand, I have NOT posted a review of my favorite lady because, well, the experience with her is just not something I could or would write about in detail.  It doesn't feel right to do so.

I found her here, and I am grateful to the other gents who wrote about their experiences with her...they helped me choose to contact her, and I feel very lucky to know her.

That said, if I were to avail myself of a session with another provider who asked me to write a review for her, I'd gladly do so.  I'm no PaulieWalnuts, either, but I am sure I could do her justice.

Yoda

Ci Ci3395 reads

Most of my clients choose not to post reviews. Most of them probably are not even executive members of TER. What a shame!
I've often wondered if it's hurt my business, but I seem to be doing okay without a lot of reviews.

Hugs,
Ciara

Ace in the Hole2462 reads

Some providers have pages of reviews that basically say the same thing.  If my session is unremarkable compared to what has already been written, what’s the point of adding another review?

I always try to post a review. I get a lot of valuable info from different boards, and want to repay the favor. Also it can be a great thing for a lady to get a good review. So I do my part. I am no pauliwalnuts either, but I am working on it.

In the experiences that I have had with the men who see me: Many reviews get turned away from this forum because they are not graphic enough to meet requirements to qualify for this forum. The clients have been told that "this forum is not to recount romantic experiences."

So be it.  I tend to feel that I do offer romantic/playful experiences.  So accurate accounts of my reviews tend to be turned away. I became very sensitive about this for a long time, even asking men not to write reviews because neither of us were comfortable since there seemed to be no middle ground until...I realized that I could encourage use of acronyms in order to "depersonalize" the cut of feeling graphic, and still get the info required for the review to be posted.  

Ultimately, it is the man who has to do the work, and when his review gets turned away here, I am shy about pushing him to edit and resubmit it; even the suggestion to post on another site, because I know it's a pain in the rectal arena for some.  So, mostly the reviews end up going into the cyberpot, or else onto my own website.  

The downside is that the acronym approach gets very boring to readers who pay $20/mo for juicy details.  I remember reading the other day when someone complained about reviews that contained only acronyms.  Can't say that I blamed him...if in fact he purchased membership for more graphic details on a particular lady/ladies, or just didn't feel entertained enough....

Some reviewers could give a rat's a** about marketing us.  They are more interested in marketing their prowess, even under aliases.  The ballpark is full of many players, many purposes, many goals.



-- Modified on 2/20/2004 9:14:15 PM

Damned if you do and damned if you don't when it comes to writing reviews. Ladies want to have new ones come up so people know they are out there and popular but not TOO popular :)

I had a couple of reviews rejected until I read a couple of posts by Staff outlining what they look for in reviews. Most of the guys that complain about writing reviews don't want to include too many graphic details and say tehy don't want to write porn. I can agree with this to some extenet. However I have read a couple of reviews that were very positive reviews of the provider, but after reading the whole thing, you couldn't tell if they had actually done more than sat on a couch talking for the entire session.

The simple rule for writing successful reviews, seems to be to mention in the description section anything you included in the drop box section. If you had FS, DATY and CIM and fail to mention any of these acts in your details, it most likely will not be approved. However there are a number of ways of mentioning these actions without resorting to accronyms. For the above mentioned services you could write something along the lines of:

" I worked my way down her body until I could taste her sweetness and she was very reponsive. After a short time she returned the favor and never spilled a drop. She then rocked my world by takingme inside her from ever postions I could imagine."

Not the most eloquent of prose, but it gets the point across, is graphic enough to pass vetting and no letters of the alphabet were mangled in the writing of this review :) Reviews do not have to be lists of acts and letter jumbles, but they also shouldn't be little romance novels with no actual mention of the physical acts. It is the "juicy' details after all. Save the love poems for the General Description.

FearlessLeader2545 reads

I can only speak for me. I was brought up by my parents to be a gentleman. One of the characteristics of a gentleman is that he does not kiss and tell. No matter what type of relationship.

mirthfulgirth4104 reads

1. I respect a lady's privacy and it feels, somehow, that writing a review might be invasive (some don't like them).
2. I've found my experience may differ from what others have written.  It's the old "YMMV" thing.  As a result, I've dismissed reviews as possibly menaingless.  It's like movie reviews--I've been disappointed in some well-reviewed movies and loved some that were panned.
3. I know some ladies ask clients to write reviews. Those written "by request" are invariably overly flattering.  I also believe some reviews have been written by the ladies themselves.

It's all so damned subjective and subject to individual tastes, desires, and serendipitous circumstance.

My favorite lady doesn't want reviews and keeps a very low profile. If she ever changed her mind and sought reviews, I would certainly be happy to write one.

I first found TER when there were only a relative handful of reviews in the database and felt that it had much more potential than the larger TBD at that time.  At the time I believed it was a good thing to write the reviews for other potential clients as well as the provider.  I always tried to write my reviews in such a manner as to get the basic information out without making the review sound like a story from penthouse forum and in accordance with the TER rating guidelines.

Shortly after I was a member a number of the prominent lady providers on board began to complain about how graphic the reviews(penthouse forum type) were and the fact that less graphic reviews could not get published.  They even said that they looked at guys who wrote the graphic reviews and would not see them. Some of these ladies are well known and in some cases frequent posters on these boards.  

Since that time I have been told by various other ladies(not necessarily ladies I asked for appointments) in chat and elsewhere that they would not like to see me because I do not rate ladies numerically high enough and that based upon my reviews I do not have a good time.  The translation of those comments is that because I did not make my review read like a story out the penthouse forum I obviously did not enjoy myself.  Also because I did my review ratings in line with TER guidelines instead of just passing out all nines and tens I did not rate the ladies high enough.

Since that time there have been revelations on these boards that a number of ladies like to use your TER handle to randomly seek references from the ladies that you have reviewed instead of any provider references that you give them.  In the course of these checks the new lady may divulge more of your personal information to the other lady than you gave her originally or vice versa.  

Given the above I don't think many hobbyists actually write anything except real butt kissing reviews with all nines and tens.  

Personally I would only consider writing a review of a very new lady with very few reviews or a lady whose performance was significantly different than her other reviews.  Considering that it costs $50 per quarter to be a VIP member I find that to be a much better deal than taking the time to write 6 reviews with potential side problems.

I suspect that a few other hobbyists may share some of my feelings regarding this issue.



-- Modified on 2/21/2004 1:43:00 AM

You're right on the money. See my post. I'll write a fantastic review for someone who deserves to get so popular that even I would have a hard time booking in the future. It's because the cream should rise to the top (no pun intended) and drive out of the business all the mediocre providers who just go through the motions to make a buck. If guys won't write bad reviews, at least good reviews for those that deserve them will indirectly achieve the same goal.

Stumpy--  You are laser-focused right on target.

Here's my interesting, and admittedly divisive thought for the day.

If a hobbyist holds his reviewing ability over a girl's head during  a meeting, we all agree that that's inappropriate.

Yet, many top-notch, reputable providers frequently discuss how they screen out hobbyists based on reviews, and I don't ever remember that ever being objected to.

To quote a previous thread, there IS a Mendoza line in reviewing.  Hand out enough 6's in either category and it won't be long before you either get confronted/threatened with outing by a provider, or you get screened out.

Stumpy said:  "Personally I would only consider writing a review of a very new lady with very few reviews or a lady whose performance was significantly different than her other reviews."

I did this for a couple of reviews...  But because of problems, I've just stopped reviewing all together.

My personal policy on reviews is...after the session if all went well I ask her if she would like me to review her here...some ladies don't want a review...preferring to keep a lower profile and others love them(one lady not only asked me to review her HERE the next couple of days she sent me links to 10 other places she could be reviewed where she also advertises and I wrote a separate HONEST review for each place)

The very first provider I ever saw specifically asked me NOT to review her...so I didn't but after having seen her on the fifth time she then for her own reasons changed her mind and so I wrote up a review for her here

On the other hand if the woman delivered a very poor performance or tried to do one of many rip off things some try on their clients...I don't ask them IF I can do a review...THOSE ladies get a review whether they like it or not so other men are warned about what to expect with her

The last situation is if I picked a lady because of page after page of fantastic reviews that she already had...I ask her if she wants MY review too and she says it's OK with her but it's not necessary then in that case I generally don't because to ME she's already passed the mark where yet another great review is going to help her business any and she knows it

BTW There IS one last catagory of lady who doesn't get a review and those are the ones who don't advertise online at all...no email..no picture online anywhere...I live in a relatively small town and believe it or not there are some ladies who have NO interest in getting online at all...some of them are horrible and I'd LOVE to review them to warn other guys but there also a few who are great and I'd like to help them by writing a review ...oh well

If I am seeing a lady whith many reviews, there may be little new to say and the incremental value of my observations does not add anything to the pot.

I have one provider who asked me not to since I have done things with her that she doesn't do with others.  Trust me, it could be a miniseries of a review with all that we do.  
I've not written about several providers since they were so bad but I read on TER where they get the "I should of been drunk" review so why grind them into the ground.

I've only done a few reviews. In almost all cases it was to help the provider since they either hadn't had a review for a few months or were relatively new and had only a review or two. The reviews, however, were always honest and seemed to be consistent with past reviews with ratings depending on personal experience.

That said, recently I tried to post a very bad review so others would be warned of the potential for disaster. It never made it past screening. I'll admit the story I told was fairly outrageous but all true. Thus, my view of reviews has changed. Except for out right rip offs or bate-and-switch, are only the good reviews posted? This can be very misleading. Are some of us afraid to try and post a bad review because of possible "blacklisting". I know one agencies run by indies that looks at the client's reviews as part of screening process. How many others do the same. If I see a provider who has been around some time but only has a handful of reviews, am I to assume that there are countless bad experiences that either never got written or never got through screening. Thus, I question the objectivity of this site when dealing with negative reviews. Then, of course, there are the rash of reviews for new providers, all written by first-timers. Or an escort gets some bad press on the boards and suddenly the next day there is an excellent review posted. Call me skeptical.

There seems like there are a hugh number of escorts and the number keeps growing. Isn't it time that a natural weeding out process take place. Reviews would help expediate this but only if there is fair balance. Hate to go to a doctor recommended by others, only to find out that he/she has had numerous malpractice suits filed. At least a doctor could lose his/her license.

I now look at reviews to give me only a general sense about the woman. My final screening is talking to them on phone, which does rule out agencies, to judge "compatibility" or taking a recommendation from someone I trust. And I'll only posted on a very selective basis.

Hugh Mongous4005 reads

Several posts refer to girls or agencies who use a guys reviews as a basis for whether to see him. If that's the case, why even tell them you have reviews or even know about TER? Guys, you DON'T have to give out your alias to anyone.

ChrissyStone2124 reads

First, I completely agree that no provider needs to know your TER name.

I've read where some providers will obtain your TER name, then will go on and read every review, to "research" you...an  invasion of privacy IMO.

Why do I need to know the details of what you did with every woman before me, or how you rated her?  You will be spending time with ME, and it will be a very personal experience between the two of us, not me following some recipe based on what you did with other ladies.

However, privacy issues aside, there is one benefit to giving your TER name: for screening purposes, it gives instant assurance that you are not LE. Nothing is ever 100%, of course, but it essentially puts the LE risk at the very bottom of the lady's concerns.

When traveling, when my time is limited, I usually give known TER posters first priority for appointments, because I just don't have to worry about them.

I agree in principal with what you are saying.  However if you look at the contact pages of a number of ladies they request in addition to provider references the potential client's TER handle.

A few weeks ago there was a thread on (I believe) the national discussion board where one or more providers mentioned that in addition to contacting any provider references supplied by the potential client they would also contact any or all of the providers the client had reviewed for references.  All of the ladies including some very prominent ladies that responded to the thread with the exception of one felt that was a perfectly legitimate practice as did some hobbyists.  Since that time in speaking to some provider friends of mine who have retired from the business I discovered this is an extremely common practice for ladies to contact other providers that the hobbyist has reviewed without the hobbyist's knowledge. In fact if I started to drop names of some of the active providers that do this I am sure this would turn into a very nasty thread.

I can think of any number of legitimate reasons that a hobbyist might not want some ladies that he has reviewed to be contacted.  Just one example may be that he has reviewed his regular lady and she gets jealous whenever he sees someone else.  Whether she gets jealous because of loss of revenue or for other reasons will not matter to the hobbyist.  He is the one that will have to deal with the fallout from his regular after the new provider decides to contact her.

On a personal basis over the years long before TER I have seldom had a problem providing a lady with home or work numbers for verification purposes.  However after reading how providers are conducting their business I have decided that in most cases if a lady asks about TER I will tell her I have never heard of it and will try to give her as little information as possible.  I hate to lie but given the current lack of discretion involved with many lady's screening practices it seems like the only prudent thing to do.



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-- Modified on 2/22/2004 2:04:04 PM

"All of the ladies including some very prominent ladies that responded to the thread with the exception of one felt that was a perfectly legitimate practice as did some hobbyists.  Since that time in speaking to some provider friends of mine who have retired from the business I discovered this is an extremely common practice for ladies to contact other providers that the hobbyist has reviewed without the hobbyist's knowledge."

I'm with you on this Stumpy, but let me be much more emphatic.  I must have missed this thread when it came up.

I consider this practice to be an outrageous transgression.  If you need references, I'll provider you with references.  But if you just want to fiddle around in my back yard, that's stepping over a line and we shouldn't allow it.

Oh yeah, I definitely have to retort to this issue.....

You know, if a provider doesn't want to see me because I've posted bad reviews on other providers, that's absolutely fine and dandy, because she's most likely not the type of provider I would want to see anyway.  That sure makes things easier for me.  Number two....guess what?  If a provider chooses not to see me, it's HER LOSS (money/business) NOT MINE, especially since there's so many good ones out there who will see me.  When I post a review, I speak very honestly; if I post a glowing review they deserve it, and if I post a bad one they also deserve it.

I can imagine the details can give one away despite not mentioning TER name. For example, some of the providers I've seen are not very active, depending on a few regulars. Can be easy for them to figure out who wrote what. The imagine a reference check whereby one provider tells another that you wrote bad reviews. This topic bridgings right into the issue of privacy and thus the use of discretion. I know this is off topic but a provider calls me at 8PM despite an e-mail from me stating don't call after 5PM since SO is home. I bring this up as part of an overall picture that includes the sharing of confidential information and sensitivity to client needs outside the bedroom. I've seen a bit of carelessness in this regard.

Love-694639 reads

I agree with much of Salivates comments.  I make it a point to do a nice detailed review for a provider that "makes my day". I have had some very outstanding sessions.  I also make it known to them that I have done this and I let them know upfront I am active on TER. (Under a different alias.)
I also, make it a point to do reviews of providers that display a I couldn't care less session. Several hundred buck for an hour deserves more consideration then being a passive blob, that is just too much like my Ex and I don't need the reminder. Are you done yet, or you came now it is all over. At least their claim of the $$$ is for companionship for the hour SHOULD be provided.
Sorry, you don't get to screw me in that way, and expect me to be quiet about.
One more observation: My best times have been with gals that are NOT the Knock-out Porn Star type.  Too many of them, tend to think their shit doesn't stink and you should pay more for there looks.  To me looks are a factor yes, but let's face it. When you are in the heat of things, in low light etc. Her persona is much more important.  -

I don't ususaly because most of the providers I see have a few reviews already and mine would for the most part be redundant. If I had a completely different experience or if I saw a provider that doesn't have a lot of reviews then I wouldn't hesitat to post one.

Seldom

If a provider specifically asks me NOT to post a review, I won't - unless she was subpar in which case I'll post one anyway to "warn the fellas" so to speak.  Some of the best providers - including my ATF, specifically asks that I not review her; which is unfortunate because she's awesome.  I love posting reviews though - especially good ones.

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