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Re:Why??? :(
ButtUglyisme 8739 reads
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1 / 85

I read a review tonight and the guy rates me a 6 in appearace. Yet when we met he tells me that I am beautiful! All through the night he repeats it over and over. He had a nerve to write to me this morning he wants to see me again. Well I told him no. He then writes me back asking why. I refuse to answr him. My question is why tell a woman that is good to look at but yet rate her lower in looks??? In performance he gives me a 9. Honestly, I would rather have it 7 or 8 in looks 7 or 8 in performance.  Now I am home very upset comtemplating in retiring. I don't know what to do. I turned down 3 guys tonight who wanted to meet, after I read review. I don't feel attractive at the time being although I am very well groomed, polished, and so on. Men's thoughts are appreciated here.

LookingToParty 6775 reads
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orthodx 13 Reviews 8989 reads
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3 / 85

I had this conversation with another provider.  I would suggest you look at his other reviews to see where you fit in by his standards.  Some guys grade hard, some easy.  You shouldn't worry about a number on a screen.  The important thing is he wanted to spend his hard earned money to see you again.

Then you turned down three other guys who wanted to spend their hard earned money so you sit at home and feel sorry for yourself.

The definition of being attractive is you draw attention from other people.  Four different people have thought you were attractive enough to make it worth their while to be with you tonight.

Soooo, what are you waiting for? Time to climb back on that horse again.

My .02

jzyman22 7147 reads
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4 / 85

Try not to take it so seriously. The guy sounds like a jerk and obviously there are plenty of men interested in your company.

The whole rating thing is weird -- necessary (I guess) but it must be so demeaning, even when the rating is high. How would any of us guys like to be rated every time we had to write a memo or go to a meeting on how we looked and how much fun we were to be with.

And raters have to be taken with a grain of salt. There is so much exaggeration. Someday, you ladies should get together and do a composite review of all the jerks you meet.

ButtUglyisme 7880 reads
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5 / 85

because a man can say whatever he wants to a woman and yet back pedal and say another thing :((( (((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((( But my question to you is why would a man say one thing and do say something totally different the next? Why not tell her the truth that she is buttugly? Why not walk out and leave? why stay???????? That way you are saving your money not wasting it on someone who is just a 6 when you can go out with someone who is a 8-10.

orthodx 13 Reviews 8581 reads
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ButtUglyisme 8600 reads
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greywolf 17 Reviews 6903 reads
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8 / 85

Do you have other reviews, & if you do, how do they rate your appearance?  We've all seen many times reviews which don't seem consistent with the opinions of the other reviewrs.  But aside from the obvious fact that guys do have different tastes...eye of the beholder, etc...he IS entitled to his opinion, regardless of how many others may or may not share it.  

I once rated a gal a 6 in appearance & she gave me a mild amount of grief over it, but just a mild amount...we saw each other several times after that.  When the time comes thataht BTW, a 6 isn't anywhere near butt-ugly---it's nicer looking than average.

If the time ever comes that a guy can't or won't give his honest opinions in a review, the reviews will be worthless.  Reviews can make it a tough biz for the gals, but they can also be a financial boon, so there is two side to the coin.  If a review like you've described is going to cause you that much grief, then you should stop reading them until such time as you can gain a more objective view.  BTW, you might be surprised at how many guys would have no problem whatsoever in scheduling with a gal who had a 6-9 rating.  

ButtUglyisme 6747 reads
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9 / 85

but to me why sleep with someone that you are not attracted to? lol lets not kid ourselves here..we all have to be attracted to something right? In my civilian life I need to be attracted to whomever I may date. On this board I read posts by men needing to be attractive more than what goes on in the bedroom.  My reviews come up as seven and eights. I have tons of eights. I am rated high   when figuring out the average. I can understand that not everyone is attracted to everyone but wouldn't that tell the average man out there if I am not his beauty queen to cancel the appt. and be with someone who is more attractive to his needs? Also I give my best to each appt. I shower, I get nicely dressed, I provide the beverages, I provide the incall locations, I perfume just nicely, I get a manicure, pedicure, I get all dolled up, and it all feels like a big waste. I know that I shouldn't read my reviews :( I know that there will be times when it's the ymmv moment. But I feel like a failure if I am giving it my all with all of the "glamour" added to it and that it was not good enough for him. Yes, he rated me high in performance but to get that 6 was like being compared to a streetwalker walking around and I am above that! I've been called attractive since I was a little girl. Infact I get hit on all the time when I am out in the civilian world. I have been approached on many occassions to do nude modeling and video. I know that to some men that a 6 means kosher but to us females it means the death of a career (to some women). Men are visual. They need feminine beauty. I would rather have the guy be honest and say that I am just mildly attracted to you can we call this off? I would have more respect for a guy who actually would do that than to continue on a charade proclaiming all these adjectives that do not exist in his head. As for this guy, yes he wants to see me again but I would feel that it is fake. I would not feel right seeing him again knowing that he found me just below average.

SuperBowlKen 8071 reads
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10 / 85

I have seen this pattern multiple times.  A lady gets high numbers usually, then once in a while gets a clunker.  You need to read the words within the reviews.  Is he saying that you are "ButtUglyisme"?? or is he saying nice things about you??  Maybe he rates most of the ladies he sees with low numbers.  You have to look at reviews of other ladies by this reviewer and see what his rating system is.  I have seen review after review where the words have been excellent, but he has giving only 6's or 7's.  That is his rating system.  I am not saying it is fair, it is just the way it is.

Don't let one apple spoil the bunch.  If you feel comfortable with yourself, in your presentation, and performance.  Then you are doing everything right.  Don't let one guy wreck your day or your livelyhood.

If you want to retire, do it because YOU want to.  Not because of someone else.  If business is good and you getting calls, then you are doing something right.  Not everyone is for everyone else.  We each have our opinion and taste of what type of lady does it for us.  Variety is the spice of life.  You won't be able to please everyone.  That's a fact.

Take a deep breath...Relax...And take the emotion out of the decision.  If you are having fun, making a few $$$, and overall happy with the hobby...stay in it.  If not, you may want to consider changing something or possibly taking a short break from the hobby.

Just my opinion,
Ken

Raoul Duke 7912 reads
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11 / 85

As my wise mother once advised me..."Don't pay any attention, they can't talk another hole in your ass"

SULLY 24 Reviews 7608 reads
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12 / 85

Perhaps he knew you wouldf be a total psychotic!   C'mon- EVERYBODY here has to relax and realize that this is a game of perceptions.  My 6 is your 9  My 10 is your 7.  

NONE OF THIS REALLY MATTERS!

Did you get paid?  Did he seem to have a good time?  Are you even totally sure the rater and your visitor were the same person?

Get over yourself and have another visitor love you!   If they keep on scheduling, then your are doing something right.   Guys who like your look will continue to come over, others will not call.   Que sera sera

BTW- I am sure you are fine in both senses of the word.  Just stop caring what some guy who pays for sex thinks- and enjoy the hobbyists.  We in turn will enjoy you!  

And we're moving on now...

ButtUglyisme 8333 reads
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13 / 85

I don't want you to feel that I am not grateful for your words!!! I am truly! I am just getting my frustrations out. So please bear with me, as I do. Now you are seeing how some women think (NOT ALL!) but some LOL  

I think that I will be taking time off for a bit. That is probably what I need. I think when it starts getting to a point where I couldnt be touched by a man right now or see one, it's bad :((( LOL  I do want to say thanks again.

Signed

Uglyduckingmaybetoturnintoaswanagain

Paxem 14 Reviews 6818 reads
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14 / 85
SuperBowlKen 6753 reads
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15 / 85

to get away from things and clear out heads.  It's no different here.  Take a break, clear your head, and then get back into the game.

Take care,
Ken

ButtUglyisme 7910 reads
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16 / 85

WHY??? Why do men do this? Why do they say one thing and turn around and do another? This is not the first case when a woman is told one thing to her face and the truth comes out. I do have friends who are escorts and we do talk about this for it has happened to them. It is frustrating. I read the boards and I hear men complaing about girls they thought were not attractive but yet they stayed. Well I know that if my hard earned money was going towards something I would want the best. Wouldn't you? I am just curious as to why a man would stay???? Why not pick up and leave? If i go to a resturant and I want the best steak they have to offer and they couldn't deliver, I would be highly pissed off lol I am so confused here.

ButtUglyisme 8069 reads
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17 / 85

yes he paid me. But I do have alot of pride! Infact I just wrote to him a while ago telling him that I consider our appt. voided and for him to take his money back. I am at the same hotel tomorrow and he knows the room number. I am just waiting for a follow up and from there we can come to decision on when to meet. As for him he is the one pyschotic enough for talking out of his ass LOL

rick2 91 Reviews 7652 reads
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18 / 85

I'm a longtime reviewer and I've been watching this happen repeatedly. The problem is NOT the guy's writing the reviews. The problem is that you are losing your sense of self-worth and letting some guys opinion matter more than you value yourself.
Too many women do this with the reviews.
Just watch that new show Average Joe and you will watch the process in reverse. Sexy woman, "thanks but no thanks" guys -especially the hidden camera stuff.

The best way to deal with stuff like this is think of yourself the way you do when you see a movie --some love the film, some hate the film. But no one usually gets viscerally mad at the actor or actresses for their performances. It's one man's opinion.

A while ago, a provider I know got slammed by one guy. His other reviews never gave anyone about a 5 for looks or performance. He could never be satisfied. Her other 70+ reviews were outstanding, but she took it as a devastating experience.

Scoring and reviews are totally subjective.And you can't please everyone all the time. Just get over it and move on. I'm certain if we knew who you were publicly, a whole lot of guys would come to your rescue because they adore you.

The thing that makes seeing providers so wonderful is that for a lot of us guys, this is a chance to go out with some of the most beautiful women in the world.  This one man is a hypocrit telling you you are beautiful and then not evaluating you the same way. But its just time to move on and not worry about it -and spend some time with some guys who adore you.

ButtUglyisme 7343 reads
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19 / 85

That I was the kind of girl that you can pick up at a bar who is a great lay. That is what I read when I got a 6. Again men are visual. They want beauty (from what I have read on some posts on this board) and over and over again that is what I have read on some of the mens opinions here. Again men are very visual creatures. They don't want average. They want above average. Apparently I was just either below or average to him but yet a great lay. I only wished that he told me this upfront and I would have told him to save his money honey for you deserve above average and would have sent him on his way.

reality check 8132 reads
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20 / 85

You keep saying "why didn't he tell me the truth", but when he asked why you won't see him again, you "refuse to answer him".  You should practice what you preach and tell him the truth.

singleton 5 Reviews 8561 reads
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21 / 85


the same reason men eat cold leftover pizza .. cuz sometimes even bad sex is better than no sex

not speaking for myself of course

r_bear11 23 Reviews 8864 reads
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22 / 85

For me it is the total package. Model material? LOL. there are maybe only a few hundred women that are truly "Model" material. Could thay make it in Paris or New York as a clothes hangar? No!!! Once in a life time is more realistic. only as a description for what us men could get! .... lol. It is just a description that is used as a guide. I look for performance and the description. Not the looks. Your picture is more of a guide for me in the looks area.

I rather have a wonderful time with a 6 than a night full of staring at a 9! Besides a woman in my arms is ALWAYS the most beautiful woman at that moment!

dc1a 7710 reads
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23 / 85

"WHY??? Why do men do this? Why do they say one thing and turn around and do another? This is not the first case when a woman is told one thing to her face and the truth comes out."

Christ, you think this is just guys? I meet a girl at a restauraunt, have dinner, she tells me how much she likes me and is enjoying the time, then when we go to drive over to the theature, she somehow didn't make it? And the theature is about 1/10th of a mile away on the same road. And blocks IM/e-mails from me? Hey, pissed me off, a lot more than if she'd just said what she was feeling, but you get over it.

I just accept the fact that there are people in this world who are pieces of shet, and frankly I'm happy I found out about them sooner rather than later.

legman 7343 reads
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24 / 85

Beauty is in the "eye of the beholder". The only thing that matters is what you see when YOU look in the mirror. If you like what you see, who cares what someone says or how they rate you.

ButtUglyisme 7510 reads
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25 / 85

by writing to him that I want to give him his money back. I do have pride in myself. I would rather be with someone who IS attracted to me. I am NOT the one here who talked out of the ass and lied straight through the appt. I am NOT the bad person here. I didn't lie to him. It means alot to me to give him back his money and to wipe my hands clean of him. You claim that I should practice what I preach but what about him? Isn't he responsible for being honest and truthful? I mean think about it he wants to see me again but yet he lied to me. So it's okay for me to ignore his lies and still see him? ahhh I don't think so lol

legman 6885 reads
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26 / 85

He's probably hoping that by flatering you (in his mind) you're going to go the extra mile so to speak. When he's writing a review he's no longer worried about what you'll think of him.
Just my guess.

legman 7600 reads
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legman 6634 reads
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28 / 85

Maybe he thinks that by flatering you (in his mind) he'll get you to go the extra mile so to speak. When he's writing a review he longer is worried about what you think of him.

AnswerMan 7838 reads
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29 / 85

Men say you are beautiful because that's what you want to hear, and it improves your performance.  The review was written for other men, and what they want to hear, which is the truth. (or the reviewer's truth anyway)  As far as why he would not leave (and why he wants to see you again), it's because he got a great performance (9).  He's happy and wants to see you again!  My advice: Swallow your pride (and his hard cock).

ButtUglyisme 8505 reads
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30 / 85

So you are saying that a man can come stick his weina in the bun a couple of times and then have some nerve to complain about it (yes we know that he can and it has been done LOL)afterwards. It seems to me that he comes out looking like a weiner (not in a good way either). But what makes me laugh about your statement is that wasn't he the one that stuck in the bun the first place? So why complain? LOL

reality check 8648 reads
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31 / 85

I don't think it's fair to say he lied.  At the time he may have been "feeling" that you were beautiful.  In fact I'm sure he did, since he rated you 9 for performance.  Then later he apparently gave an honest rating on your appearance.  I don't see the evidence that he lied.  Here's an example of a lie:  He tells you in person that you are so physically beautiful that he will write a review and give you a 10 in appearance.  Then he turns around and gives you a 6.  THAT's a lie.

legman 6857 reads
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legman 6996 reads
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I'm not justifying what he did or said. I was just expressing an opinion of why he might have done what he did.

reality check 7381 reads
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34 / 85

Did he really "complain" in the review?  The rating of 9 for performance and the fact that he wanted to see you again makes me wonder if you are reading a lot more into the 6 than was intended.

spaceghost_12345 2 Reviews 6820 reads
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35 / 85

I would be happy to provide an honest opinion of your looks if I knew your real ID and where to look at pics on the Internet. PM me... Unfortunately, all I have to go by is what's in this thread, which doesn't tell me much.

As far as this specific guy goes, I would not take it personally if it's only a "one off" review. Guys can be really assholes sometimes... take it from me.

sedonasandiego See my TER Reviews 5849 reads
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36 / 85

Do I answer this or not? Do I use an alias, or not? Probably not, everybody'll know it's me anyway.
Do I say everything about how I feel, or not? If I do, will it help somebody or hurt somebody? I hope it doesn't hurt anybody.
And I really hope it helps make people understand. Right now at least 5 people saw this thread and wondered if I'd respond. I passed the computer and sat at the computer 4 times trying to decide if I should. Got a glass of wine..decided ok..

Sweetie, I know exactly how you feel. And people are going to do their best to offer help, and warm understanding, and that's great, wonderful, but it doesn't take that pain away. Everybody wanted me to feel better, and forget about it, but it doesn't work that way. You have to experience all the way through and come out on the other side. There's no other way.

I've decided that I WILL say how I feel because I just want both the ladies and the gents to know how it FEELS, just so you understand, and not for the purpose of influencing your scoring, or to make you feel like a bad person, but just to understand.
It knocks the wind out of you. She's right. It stripped me of feeling sexy and attractive at all. I would've LOVED to have seen him again, but when I saw that he viewed me as a six, it hurt deeply. That makes me feel that my level of beauty is a woman in sweats, cleaning the yard. When I cried to a friend he asked me if I STILL would want to see him again since the review, and I sadly, replied no. How could I WANT to be with a man that only sees me as a six - a woman who belongs in sweats and working outside? The most fucking sexy thing for me is BEING HOT AND SEXY, and KNOWING HE THINKS SO, TOO. That's part of the whole fun of it.
I was depressed; in a funk the whole month. It affected me so much that the next date I had, when it came to the intimate part, I froze. I just suddenly felt so ugly that I didn't want to go further - I couldn't do anything. I excused myself to the bathroom, let a few tears fall and then made myself get a grip and get out there and rock his world. I can't help what people see or don't see. I adore the man who gave me the six, and know he would never hurt me, and it's ok, but what I'm trying to say is, it's not even about the number, it's just in how it made you feel, and how it affected me and my 'work'.
I'm glad you brought this up, and I hope no one gets upset, but
afterwards, I thought of one thing that I guess that bothers me about reviews in the first place - and there are many, but one thing I think that bothers me is that if I were doing a review on my clients, it would say things so differently, focus on things so differently that what the men write about, or choose to write about, and that's what bothers me, and that's what's sometimes hurtful. And there are some lovely reviews - I'm not knocking the reviews. But, the way I see it, is when I have a date with a man, it's a once in a lifetime experience - right? Because I may not ever see him again. So, I want to see how he will show me all he wants me to know about him in three hours. And that's what I would write about. I would write about the once in a lifetime experience of being with you.
And I looked at who they see, why they probably see them, and how they rated other ladies. Sometime it made sense and I felt better and sometimes it made absolutely no sense and it infuriated me. So, do that and it may help.
Eventually, you feel sexy again, and know you're your 'own' 8..

I hope this helped. And you can email me at [email protected].

xo,
Sedona

SUPERDAVE 1 Reviews 9051 reads
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37 / 85

If you are going to obsess this much over what one person thinks of your appearance you need some therapy.  Do you freak out like this when someone doesn't like the color of your lipstick?  Or worse...says that the dress you are wearing makes you look fat?  

-- Modified on 11/3/2003 9:36:32 PM

Numberoneeagle 74 Reviews 7545 reads
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38 / 85

Another wise and deep-feeling post by the lovely Sedona!

As to the original question and problem - Hey, you just have to let it go. Some guys are just assholes and have to try to put a woman down in order to build themselves up in their own mind. If you have had good reviews and good looks ratings from other guys, that is all that really matters. Don't let one AH break your heart!

My rule is - unless it was a totally bad experience that you want to warn other hobbyists of, be fair and kind. I have never seen a provider (well except for one horrible mistake) that didn't deserve at least a 7 for looks. If he didn't like her looks, why did he make the appointment in the first place and then why did he try to come back again.

These ladies put it all on the line for us guys and their looks are important to them. Give them a break!

Some Nerd 7680 reads
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39 / 85

Now you know why some actors don't read reviews.  No matter how sincere they can really sting.  And, much like acting, since the hobby is so intimate it's hard not to take them personally.

That said, let me echo what many here have already observed.  First, it's just one guys opinion and as any veteran of these boards knows men's opinions vary wildly, so I wouldn't dwell on it too long.  Right or wrong maybe he has a very high standard, maybe Julia Roberts is a 7 on his scale.

But the bottom line is he picked you, he was happy enough with your appearance to want to see you again, so he must have been attracted to you.  (Hey for all you know he could have meant to enter 7 or 8 and hit 6 by accident.)  In any case you can't let external forces dictate your happiness.  Do and be your best and derive your happiness from that.  It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.  In the mean time stop reading your reviews. :-)

Mr. Self Destruct 8621 reads
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40 / 85

As Orthodx said, six is hardly "butt ugly". However, I know that as TER scores seven as "attractie", the implication is that anything below a seven is "unattractive".  I personally thing the rating system is screwed up and needs to be altered, but I will take that up with "the management" on my own time.

As for you, take a deep breath.  We are all in the dark as to how established of a provider you are.  I myself have seen women who were rated way lower than you (3 or 4, and not just once), and I thought that was ridiculous.  However, it goes to show the subjectivity of "rating".

Before I address that, let me reply to something you said.  You asked why he would stay.  Singleton said it very well when he said that having sex that is not exactly what you expected is better than whacking off by yourself any day.  You also asked why he would  say one thing and do another (in his review).  Well, because the better he made you feel when you were together, the better you would fuck him.  That may sound
way cynical, but it isn't, necessarily.  I mean, what are you going to say:  "Dang, you just aren't up to snuff...sorry."  How would you have felt then?  In his mind, I am sure a six is not that bad of a score, just not "hot".  He probably enjoyed the experience very well, yet, in your minjd, because you are "less than attractive" because of the score, you can't understand how.

The bottom line here is that being a provider is walking a thin line in many areas.  This happens to be one of them, because you are selling your looks and your sexual and social prowess.  It isn't like you are selling a pencil that, if it works, there it is.  Everything around what you are doing is subjective.  I thought it was exceedingly cruel for guys to give women who I saw and thought were certainly nice, if not attractive, like I saw them, a three or a four, but if you are a provider, you ve no choice but to try and not let it get to you.  If Britney Spears or Jennifer Lopez were providers, even they would not get all tens (right, Singleton? :P.  The fact that one guy gave you a "nice" is understandably hard to swallow when you want to think you are fulfilling guys fantasies here, but as we all know, life is full of disappointments.

If you are a good provider, and you have good customers, and you get pretty good reviews for the most part (and a nine performance is nothing to just dismiss, my dear), you ned to focus on those customers and be thankful that they appreciate what you have to offer, and continue to rock their (and anyone else who can appreciate what you give) world.  That is all you can do, in the long run.  

Just so you know, women are not the only ones who get judged on looks (although more than men, of course).  I have dated for many years, and many of my dates were through personals, whether online or in papers.  I have been told a few times that "there wasn't any chemistry"...which is a cop out way of saying the woman wasn't attracted to me.  Conversely, some women have found me very attractive (and I have recommended each one of them to an optometrist!).  Rejection is hard for anyone, and in your business, you are putting yourself on the line for it.  

If you can give a performance nine to a gu who thinks that you are just "nice" looking, I would encourage you not to retire, not only because I think others will feel better about you, but also because we need all the good providers out there that we can get! :)  However, you need to take a good look at what you are feeling, and come to a point where you can take this more lightly, or it will really make it difficult.  It is bound to happen again (no matter what you look like).  I think you should do the things that make you feel sexiest, give the best you feel comfortable giving, and remind yourelf that this business is a means to an end, and enjoy the good people that you do meet.

Hope that helps.  Good luck.

Ginger girl 6278 reads
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41 / 85

When I read and hear this sort of thing it makes me so glad that I have a background working in strip clubs. Invariably the biggest money maker was never the prettiest, the prettiest got rejected along with the rest of us and all of us found someone who we really just did it for. the sheer numbers of men in clubs that I have approached and asked for a dance must be in the thousands. of those I was probably succesful about 30 percent of the time. many times they were rude and insulting and many times they were gracious and complimentary. When you start paying more attention to the ones who don't rate you as you wish to be rated and forget about those who think you are fantastic then it is time to do some self asessment or stop reading your reviews.

I personally think the score for looks is skewed by what the reveiwer feels the other hobbyiest expect. Some men find a women to be a perfect ten in their book but they realize that the things they find so attractive like a big butt or short hair may not be what others like. Sometimes they rate us on a scale that has the supermodels in magazines as the standard for the top and sometimes they rate us according to the other women they have known.

What ever the scale the only one that should ever matter to you is that you have clients that respect and like you. that respond to you and that are happy to see you again and again. Numbers and ratings mean very little when it comes right down to it. When I get home at night I don't like myself one bit more or less because of a number. I do however get some affirmations from the time I spent with a nice person with whom I just had a connection. That connection would more than likely been impossible to make if I was too insecure and worried about what he was going to rate me should he decide to review me.

Just take it in stride and realize that each of us has different ideas about what makes a person sexy and desirable and that it isn't always about their physical appearance.

De Oppresso Liber 7562 reads
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42 / 85

Some people just don't have the kind of resilience required to read their own reviews.  There's nothing wrong with that, it doesn't mean you're weak, it just means you shouldn't read your reviews.  There's a reason why we weren't created clairvoyant...  No one is so perfect that they could stand to hear every word ever said about them behind their back.  No one in the universe is tough enough to withstand that.  When you read your own reviews, you--not the reviewer, but you--are CHOOSING to open up a can of worms that you may not want opened.  If I listen in on a private conversation between two other people and I overhear them saying something unsavory about me, who is ultimately in the wrong?  If the speaker is giving their candid, honest impression to the other person, rather than purposely shooting me in the back, then I'm the one who's created the difficult situation, not the speaker.  If I choose to eavesdrop, I have to accept that what I hear, or I owe it to myself not to eavesdrop.  When you read your reviews, you're essentially eavesdropping on a "publicly available" letter that the reviewer was writing to me a fellow hobbyist, not to you.

Sorry, that whole paragraph sounds harsher than I intend it.  It's just that this thread is the very reason why reviews get inflated, or not posted at all, and neither one of those outcomes is in keeping with the spirit of this site.

Not Only Me 8143 reads
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43 / 85

after giving from their heart, and finding they were lied to in private in order, as one previously put it, to get more in the performance.  It IS dishonest.  And it is betrayal, and it DOES AND SHOULD hurt.  That is actually where HE got his satisfaction. Not in the session, but from the power of putting you down..

As for those who say don't read the reviews. BULLSHIT. We get TOLD about our reviews by email even if/when we don't read them.


I hope you feel better soon.



-- Modified on 11/3/2003 11:31:52 PM

De Oppresso Liber 6796 reads
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44 / 85

--NotOnlyMe:
"And that is the most difficult place to be when you are betrayed by someone who could care less about what you did for him, and still has the need to get back at someone for whatever ails him in life.  It's about power. Therein lies the rape."

Whoaaa!

This has really gone way too far and I MUST speak out in total defiance of what you just said.

Betrayal?  Rape?  Tyranny and oppression in all it's forms are an evil scourge on our earth that afflicts millions who live in its shadow EVERY DAY.  To invoke the emotional image of their suffering in some kind of comparison to getting a "6" in a review is totally offensive.

-- Modified on 11/3/2003 11:21:23 PM

dingsbums 9060 reads
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45 / 85

Sorry for the blank message.  Errant click.

If I get this right, you are saying the guy is a liar because he called you beautiful, yet simultaneously gave you a less-than-stellar appearance ranking?  

Furthermore, you think that men are only attracted to Barbie dolls?

Even if you weren't laboring under a sea of misconceptions, to say that you are making a mountain out of a molehill would be a vast understatement.

You need to figure out why this bothers you so much.  It's not the client's fault that you feel so strongly.

Not Only Me 6366 reads
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46 / 85

Your assessment is offbase.

Get a clue about what I was saying.  It wasn't about the six. It was about the lying to a woman in an intimate moment, and then saying something else in public.  And yes, there are some morose and disgusting men out here.  Didn't say it was you either, or is it?

Get over it.  

-- Modified on 11/3/2003 11:35:11 PM

Mr. Self Destruct 8508 reads
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47 / 85
De Oppresso Liber 7918 reads
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48 / 85

I stand by my reply.  

You've since edited your reply, but before you did, you DIRECTLY equated "he said she was beautiful in person, but gave her a 6" to rape...

Again, you invoked the pain of the legitimate human suffering of others in a totally inappropriate context.  If you feel otherwise then go ahead and edit the rape reference back in and see how it flies with the rest of the crowd tomorrow AM, and we'll just see who has a clue.

sfloridian 14 Reviews 10001 reads
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49 / 85

BU...take a step back and stop wondering about what OTHERS think about you. Just remember, you can't please EVERYONE. You should have not cancelled your other appointments, because work is what makes your mind forget about these "little" things!

Remember...we as guys hear all the lines too from the other end. We take most conversations with a grain of salt, because when the hour is over...we have to be out the door!

-SF-

Not Only Me 8357 reads
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50 / 85

I edited solely because I realized certain words would evoke an overreaction. And they did, obviously, at least with you.  Equate to world suffering?  Whoa is right!  I dont think so.  

Anyway,  I have no interest in a popularity contest so no need for me to take up on your challenge/invitation to edit back, since my intent is now clearer than before.  My intent was to talk about about betrayal and power.  

Now just exactly WHAT is your problem with ME editing my message to convey more accurately  my intent?   You are angry because you were quick on the trigger?

Whoa.


-- Modified on 11/4/2003 12:20:43 AM

Mr. Self Destruct 6982 reads
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51 / 85

I may be asking for it getting involved in this, but...

Not Only Me, I think DOL isn't trying to "pick a fight".  I thnk he is right that most would have reacted the way he did to the words he saw.  You read his response, saw that they may be inflammatory, and edited your post out of courtesy.  

I also agree with you when you said it is about a guy saying one thing in an intimate place and another in public, and I agree with you that this is not right.  Sometimes discretion is the better part of valour, and he could have just been "neutral".

Unfortunately, I must say that you are making a pretty large assumption when you say that he did this out of a power motivation and got something from that.  You don't know the guy, and I doubt even the original poster could make that judgement.  If he wanted to be mean out of power, he could have written one hell of a worse review than he did.  I myself think that, as I said earlier, he thought six was a "decent" score, and he probably tried to "overcompensate" when he was with the woman, which ended up backfiring.  However, both of us are speculating.

It all just goes to show that honesty is the best policy...something that I myself am still stuggling to learn completely.

Now, don't go biting my head off, okay? :P  We're ALL bozos on this bus.

Kiss kiss.



Not Only Me 6087 reads
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52 / 85

Dear Mr. Self Destruct.

Thank you Mr. S.D., and generally I am pretty easygoing, but me, too, I am a bozoette when it comes to certain things.  

The Lady of this thread's situation struck me seriously of an abuse situation to a close friend of mine, completely disassociated from TER.  It involved private stroking, public humbling.  So now we know, the truth comes clear as to my reactivity.

Anyhow, regarding the chain of events on the thread.  First off, I edited BEFORE I saw DOL's response. No way to prove that. But no matter.  I think DOL became upset because he told the lady in question not to read the reviews, and in my post I stated that that was bullshit; we get told about them anyway.  (I've gotten lots of emails and phone calls about my reviews before I even knew they were up, and people ask to see me, based on numbers, so yes, numbers matter, but we like to think we EARN them, good OR bad.)

Secondly, I would NEVER infer that a six equates to any kind  of global or other suffering elsewhere.  My God, that would be inane and idiotic.  That didn't even CROSS my mind. It was about personal betrayal.  So we get hurt and angry when we are the victims.  That's natural.  Some people care if they hurt others, some don't.  But for someone to write a review he might know would hurt her professionally after building her up in private?   I usually don't write on these boards anyway. Just got caught up in this, as I explained above.

Now the purpose of this board is to get both sides, so I though.  Passionate, off base or otherwise.  You (you sweet thing), DOL and others have given valuable input, and so have I.  It's about feelings, and the behind the scenes.  Don't know that I'd want to do without the poetic license.  I stated before to DOL that any mention about rape was inaccurately conveying my feelings, therefore I edited.  (Yet there are those who call certain reviews a mindf**k.)  And it is no secret that some men find power in cutting down women in reviews.  And as much as you men say to ignore the 6's, for crying out loud from what I have observed, they DO matter.  Otherwise why the numbers and why the Mathesar report?

Anyway, when all is said and done, in the scheme of things....who the hell remembers what Moses said to God when he threw down the tablets of the Ten Commandments? Even so how much should any of this ruin anyone's day, except for the Lady whose pics and rep are out there?  Can we think about her for a NY minute?  Talk abouat sincerity and accuracy in reviews?  How's about having the cojones to be honest with the Lady?  For me, a man who betrays me this way makes me want to scratch my skin off.  It IS PERSONAL.

Thank you all, and Good Night, and to you, Mr. Self Destruct, Kiss to you too. I have seen your other posts, and I thank you for your kindness.



-- Modified on 11/4/2003 1:17:33 AM

De Oppresso Liber 6088 reads
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53 / 85

Quick on the trigger?  The fact that I happened to be on the net at the moment you posted has no bearing on whether the post's content was offensive.  Your remarks were out of line whether regardless of the time of day.

Overreaction?  In one post you went from exaggerated bedroom talk to betrayal to rape.  You've invoked the image of true human suffering (rape is nothing less) to add emotional fuel to a separate, unrelated fire.  All the guy did is say she was beautiful in person, and later referred to her appearance as "nice" in print.  You equated this to lies, ergo betrayal, ergo power, ergo rape.  I don't think I overreacted one bit.

I have no problem with you editing the statement out...  You were right to withdraw your remarks, but you're wrong to try to continue defending them post-mortem.  Your actions (deleting the paragraph) speak far more loudly than your words (defending the paragraph).  I choose to believe actions over words, and thus, I respect you for your withdrawal of the remark.

STUMPY 25 Reviews 6624 reads
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54 / 85

First of all as everybody else has said a 6 is nice which does not equal butt ugly.

Based upon your comments throughout this thread it appears that your entire self worth is related to this business and the scores that you receive.  That is not a healthy situation.  I think you do need to retire from this profession either permanently or until such time as receiving a mark lower than expected is not the cause of this much trauma.  

And to "Not only me"
I agree it is not nice to say one thing in the bedroom and another outside the bedroom.  However if we eliminated every provider that has lied to a client in the bedroom and then said something else to her friends I wonder how many providers would be left.

-- Modified on 11/4/2003 1:28:18 AM

Not Only Me 6737 reads
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55 / 85


As I stated in my post above, I am reactive to certain things, and I did infer that sometimes a forum such as this can help to bring shards of pain and mistaken beliefs into sync to get a clearer pic.  Now I cannot call that an apology, because as yet I am too sympathetic to the original situation in a personal way.  Nor am I ashamed or apologetic for an honest reaction, only that I posted it and whatever implications of my words upset you, maybe as much as I was already upset.

For that I am sorry.





-- Modified on 11/4/2003 1:28:37 AM

Not Only Me 7492 reads
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56 / 85

Dear Stumpy.

Re your comments to buttugly, I cannot comment except to say that ladies whose pix are out there for ANYONE to see might be sensitive because all is out here for the pickins.  So if we are to "protect" our feelings, we should ALL blur our faces on our websites, n'est-ce pas?  

Anyhow, Thank you for addressing me.  
The point that particularly bothers me. I am one of the ladies who DOESNT.  No, I don't ridicule my clients.  I don't cold call them. I don't rip them off of time.  I don't borrow money from them and  I don't compromise them.

I DO try to find where they are "at".  Maybe I try to make up for all the other ladies who seem to get away with murder.  Call me a pansy.  But sometimes I just get plain angry.  I get angry when I read the reviews of the women who keep the guys waiting for 45 minutes while they put on their makeup, and the men still give them a 10/10.  what is that all about? These girls are so famous and beautiful that they can be and are abusive?  

I guess I just don't get it.  I value integrity, and my regulars are what I would call "valuables".  They are no less than gems.  

So all this b.s. is quite incomprehensible to me, and maybe I should just stay off the boards.  




-- Modified on 11/4/2003 1:48:04 AM

STUMPY 25 Reviews 6635 reads
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57 / 85

I understand your point regarding the photos and only would say that many of the photos have blurred faces in order to prevent the lady from being recognized in public.  Other photos may be old, retouched, etc.  And yes there are photos that have been taken in order to give a fair representation of the lady that you will meet.

As to my comments adressed to you I was not trying to imply that you personally did or did not do anything.  It was an observation that men are not the only ones telling lies in many cases.

I don't have a good short answer as to why clients give 10/10 reviews to ladies who abuse them.  It is not something I would do.  I also do not understand how one reviewer can have 10 reviews and 7 of the 10 were once in a lifetime experiences.  This grade inflation has certainly resulted in an environment in which ladies feel that they are buttugly if they only receive a 6 (nice) rating for appearance.

I also value integrity.  However I am aware that others in this hobby and elsewhere (both men and women) may not value it.  You are only responsible for your own actions and must do what you feel is right.  I can't control what anybody else does and the only person whose actions I can control are my own.

orthodx 13 Reviews 8851 reads
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58 / 85

Just so you know, you have given out 3 Sixes in addition to the horrible mistake so you clearly have seen a provider or two or three who weren't worth at least a seven for looks LOL

SillyRabbit 17 Reviews 6353 reads
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59 / 85

He told you that you were beautiful.  "Nice" is beautiful.  Did he really lie when he told you you were "beautiful"?

--IF- he said that you were:
"the MOST beautiful woman on earth", or that you
"would win the Miss USA Beauty Pageant", or
"Carmen Electra is butt ugly next to you",

Then I would think that you would have a point that he lied.

But you MAY BE "beautiful" to HIM, and just have some flaws that he thought other clients might not be as comfortable with as he was.  If I liked your appearance I would go back to see you.

(I think Pamela Anderson has fish lips and preposterous boobs, but a "nice" body.)  

And I would bet that he was very impressed with your getting dolled up, and feminine glamour.  But not all men want a 10 visually; Performance is much more important to many.

**************************
THE APPEARANCE SCORE

How does a client incorporate PERSONALITY into the scores?  Some reviewers put it into appearance, and some into performance.  I'm sure that you have graceful movements, warmth, charm, a lilting laugh, a purring voice, and a great personality.  

All of these things can make you "attractive", and be added into your score.    OR

This reviewer could have keyed in on physical things and flaws.

How do I score tall with great legs, trim figure, but an average face and droopy breasts?  How do I add an age factor to that?  Or bad teeth/skin/whatever?   VERY HARD to figure.

I think you must be doing something right to get 4 clients wanting to see you in one day with their hard earned cash in hand.

-SillyRabbit

Papagayo 25 Reviews 6913 reads
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60 / 85

Hey don't worry about it people tell all sorts of whitelies especially when they are in the thows of passion. He must have been so impressed with your sexual performance and enthusism that what you looked like did not really matter to him. Here is a guy that does not care about your looks. He loves the way you f*ck. I say go for it.

howandwhy 7409 reads
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61 / 85

I have an internet business in which I can be rated by my customers and it pisses me off when I get a low rating, so I know how you feel, especially since thew ratings here are much more personal.

But one swallow does not a summer make. As others have noted, one man's 6 is another man's 9. That he wants to see you again tells you that he's had an excellent experience. You might want to ask him why he rated you so comparartively  low. Who know, maybe he just pressed the wrong key. I've read a sufficient # of reviews in which trhe narrative contradicts the number ratings.

In all, I wouldn't take his review so seriously. You're getting other clients, so obviously the review isn't hurting your business. I'd have to guess that this one was your first review.
As you get more review, the "trauma" of this one should abate.

And you still have an opportunity for "revenge." Tell him that you don't wish to see him again because he has a serious hygene problem!

VonRyan 15 Reviews 8376 reads
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62 / 85

so its time to get over your last hobbyist liason...

...cause the next hobbyist who visits you in your current emotional state will feel your negative angst and before you know it your last 5 reviews will average around 6.5.

So my advise is to have a few glasses of wine and chill... realize you just had a date with an "Andy Rooney" type and the next guy you see will probably be a "Dan Rather"....or maybe a "Morley Safer(UHHO....you better hope not...lol)" type!

Cheers!

Tatoogirl74 7002 reads
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63 / 85

don't take it personal, its just a job.


Shaye

OXYGEN 37 Reviews 7475 reads
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64 / 85

Why not show us some pics and let us decide!!!

DonDuke 1 Reviews 6405 reads
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65 / 85

Seriously, my first thoughts on this, is that you're joking.

I'll tell you this right now: I also, could tell a woman that I find her to be beautiful, and then I could immediately afterwards post a review giving her a 6 appearance, and I wouldn't feel the slightest twinge of having done anything inconsistent or dishonest.  Since when does 6 mean ugly?

And here's another, completely different possibility: perhaps he sincerely told you that you're beautiful, because that's his subjective opinion.  But then maybe his tastes are unusual and he recognizes this about himself, and so when he went to review, perhaps he attempted to rate your appearance on an "objective" scale (ok, there's really no such thing, but that's beside the point) based on classic stereotypes or something.

Oh, and another possibility: 9 performance?  It sounds like you made him very happy.  You don't think this has a temporary effect on how a man sees things?  I know I've said some things in the blissful afterglow that I normally wouldn't say.  It's not dishonestly; it's an altered state of mind.

Whatever the case, don't get some worked up about it, honey.  I really don't see any evidence that the guy was trying to trick you or has backstabbed you or something.

Oh, and as for this: "Well I told him no. He then writes me back asking why. I refuse to answr him."  All I can think is: ARRRGH!  WOMEN!  GRRRRRRR!!!  I think you can safely say you've had your revenge and have made him feel as frustrated and bewildered as you.

TiffaniXXX 6825 reads
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66 / 85

You many have noticed some guys in bars will overly praise a woman they're trying to take home--i.e. "you're the prettiest girl in the place", "you are unbelievably sexy"...yadda yadda yadda yadda.  They've found that continuous flattery and praise do get them the girl. (But it has to come off sincerely, not contrived.)

So, I think some of these guys continue with the excessive flattery once they get into the bedroom hoping you will let loose and show him a great time since he obviously thinks you're so hot.

I know it's a blow to your self esteem, but most men look at the TER performance factor over looks anyway, plus the overall trend is important. Men throw out the occasional low mark.

Go treat yourself to a day spa, wait a few days and you should feel better once some time has passed.

ButtUglyisme 6031 reads
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67 / 85

Well, the client just stopped by my hotel room, and I gave him his money back. We sat down and talked. I am glad that we did, for I ended up really liking him as a person more. He did feel bad about the whole episode. I explained to him that the next woman that he should see, he should listen more to himself, and not try to put her on some pedastal during the heat of the moment, for she may seriously take it to heart. He explained to me that at the present time, I was and still am attractive to him, and he would like to see me again. The funny thing is that I wanted to give him his money back and we argued a bit about that. I had to explain to him that my pride was more important at the moment than the money. He ended up understanding that in the end, and taking his money back. Our meeting was actually very nice and relaxed :) But, I also explained to him that I could never see him again and I have some friends who may be better for him. In the end we parted off as just friends. I want to say thank you for everyone's input in all of this. Even to those who were a nay. Most of all I do thank Sedona and some of the other beautiful ladies out here, and to the countless of men who for one moment put themselves in a woman's shoes.


ButtUglyisbeautifulthewaysheis.

normdale 7144 reads
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68 / 85

As others have said, performance may simply be much more important to him than looks.  I certainly would rather spend time with someone who I rate a 9 for performance and a 6 for looks than the other way around.

As far as why he represented to you that he found you more attractive than he ultimately rated you, that could be several things.  First, it could have been "heat-of-the-moment" type stuff.  Second, he could have been embellishing in hopes that it would improve performance. Finally, and in my mind most likely, the opinion expressed in the review could have been the product of more careful reflection.  

I definitely agree with my brethren who advise you not to pay any attention to this.  Obviously, many people still wish to see you.  The whole rating process is wildly subjective, and appearance ratings are almost worthless.  I wouldn't give it a second thought.

sedonasandiego See my TER Reviews 7720 reads
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69 / 85

communication and resolution. It makes all the difference in the world.
It was REALLY hard for me to talk about it, but I'm glad we did.

Big Sedona hugs for you, dearest,

Sedona

De Oppresso Liber 8777 reads
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70 / 85

I'm just puzzled by this whole thread, which remarkably, received about 60 posts in one day.  I got kind of riled up about a specific reply but I haven't really addressed the core post.

So, you're in a restaurant, you end up sitting near a guy you just went out with the other night, and he doesn't know you're there.  You overhear him telling his buddy:

"I met this girl Jane the other night.  Man, I really like her, I hope to see her again.  She's not the super-model type that would turn every guy's head, she's more average looking, what I guess I'd call "nice" looking.  Most guys would probably say she's a 6, but the combination of her looks, personality, attitude...  I don't know what it is, I'm just attracted by the whole package.  I can't wait to see her again."

How can you twist this into something negative?  I thought men were supposed to be the superficial ones.  I know plenty of women who are "nice" looking but I still think are attractive and sexy.

So every guy is a liar when he tells his SO she's beautiful, instead of saying "well, I guess I'd give you a 6 at best."  He's just a puppeteer manipulating her feelings to enhance her performance?  Come on people.

Bedroom talk does not constitute hurtful lies.  Complimenting someone in their presence, whether it's their appearance, their cooking, or their apparel does not constitute manipulation.  To twist that kind of kindness into a scheme is classic transference taken to the next level.

Anya 7586 reads
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71 / 85

Sweetie, I hate to tell you it comes with the territory.  One's opinion of someone else's looks are so subjective, you really can't put a numerical value on it, but they do and there you are.  In my reviews, the looks rating goes from 6 to 9, that's a pretty big variation!  Some say I look just like my pictures, some say older and heavier, some say younger and leaner - and it's about an even three way split at that.  

You have to take a step back from each individual review and although it's hard, I know, not take them personally.  Once you have a few, you can see the trends in them rather than the specific individual things people have said, and it gets much easier to take it all in stride.  And you have to realize that any hobbyist with a brain is doing the same - not putting a lot of weight on any one single review or comment.

Put up a wall between you and public opinion - it reflects on the person who said it, not on you.

-Anya

ButtUglyisme 5989 reads
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72 / 85

it's apparent that you and I both see things differently. But please do not try to tell me how I should feel as a person. I would never do that to you. If you read my update, the matter has been resolved, and I am glad that I had the chance to sit down with him and talk it out. Actually, it was the best thing to do :) I am a human being first and then I am a woman and then I am an escort. Please remember as human beings we ALL have emotions. Some people deal with them differently than others do. Please do not ever say that my emotions to this situation was not warranted (or hint at it), for my emotions make a part of who I am as a person. I am a very nice, respectful, caring, sensitive person, and I have feelings like everyone else in the world. If you are upset with how the ending went to this scenario, then that is your issue to deal with, for I have just dealt with mine.

Thanks.

SULLY 24 Reviews 7320 reads
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73 / 85

Supposing  the rating was 6 - "Not for everybody"- would that make it better?

We DO often get caught between what we think is the rating and what we think the other guys think.   I prefer women who are quirky-pretty to ones that everyone drools over- just my bag...

mephistopholis 1 Reviews 7971 reads
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74 / 85
minkleey 16 Reviews 7650 reads
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75 / 85

Great reply Sully. Paying too much attention to reviews can do nothing but harm your self esteem. Do not focus (maybe easier said then done) to what other say. We all have different preferences- does it really matter what one or two people say? Keep your head up and move on!

Many providers tell me that they prefer not even looking at their reviews...maybe you should do the same.

HarryLime 10 Reviews 8101 reads
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76 / 85

Come on, this is a no wining zone.  This guy's opinion doesn't change who you are.  I am sure you are hurting, but this sounds childish.  If you want, post a link to your website and we will vote.  

Every single person that posts here has had the experience of doing their best, putting it on the line, and not being appreciated.  It ain't going to be the last time this happens in your life.  If you feel so badly, send him his money back.  If you can't do that, donate it to a charity.  Send the guy a note and tell him that you feel prettier than his GD 6.  

If you are around Boston, PM me and I will see you, review you, and you will feel better.

Janis Joplin once said to another singer she slept with "...we are ugly, but we have the music".  Do you have the music?..Harry.

smilesx 5538 reads
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77 / 85

..than being face to face.  Just like this post.  Nobody knows who i am so i'll give you an honest opinion (obviously not what you're looking for) Basically you want people to validate your "beauty" meritted or not.

perhaps your client thought it was ok to post a review if you weren't reading it or if he just plain forgot that you would.  
Why would he ask for a second meeting if he thought you were average?

An interesting phenomena is at work here.  Performance sometimes outweighs looks.  There are actually a few men who don't really care who they hit the sack with. In searching the reviews for ladies with less than stellar appearances (rated 1-5) there were only a minute percentage who had multiple pages of reviews.  For example, Kathy in van nuys ca had 12 pages.  Her performaces ranged from 2-10 with an average of around 8.  Another example is Patti in NY.  never seen so many 1's and 2's.  That's usually the kiss of death but she has 6 pages of reviews because of her performance averages around a 6.  

Why would client repeat that you were "beautiful"?

One thing that is not out of the ordinary is that people tell other people honest lies.  Other posters have alluded to that. I was told by providers that i have i have a big cock...when i watch a porno, jeez i'm puny.  Doesn't bother me that they all LIED to me. What people say for the sake of sex and money you take with a grain of salt. If you were honest to yourself, how do you compare to other providers in general.  (Note: personally i think the ratings system here is too laxed. What you are doing now is a prime example.  You only take in clients who think highly of you, hence an inflated rating system)

So for him to ask for another appointment isn't such a mystery. When he say that you are pretty but not feel so. That's normal. Although i don't think he is.  Going back basedon performance. I personally value looks more than performance and can't phathom paying to be with someone less than my minimum standards.

sparker 35 Reviews 8464 reads
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78 / 85

"Sometimes they rate us on a scale that has the supermodels in magazines as the standard for the top...."

Ginger,
You hit the nail right on the old noggin. The old double standard. Unfortunately, it is one problem in society that not only providers, but ALL women face day in and day out. Advertisments in magazines, TV, billboards, the newspapers and other media are directed at women telling them they have to svelte, tall, and razor thin to be "beautiful." This %#@$& stuff is absolute NONSENSE!!! Who needs the difficulty and heartache of trying to comply to such ridiculously strict standards.

To me, a "beautiful" woman is one who is at peace with who she is. And I have been blessed by meeting some of the most beautiful women I have ever known right here!

Fortunately for us men, there is no such societal pressure for us to be anything than our own natural piggie selves.

sparker 35 Reviews 6978 reads
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79 / 85

and most of them stink!!! I am sure you have heard the old adage that women need a reason to have sex with a man whereas the man only needs a place to do it. There is a reason why that saying has been around as long as it has.

All kidding aside, as it seems as if you are taking this one fluke review very seriously, I would encourage you to look past it. (Geez, now I am started to sound like the shithead on TV, Dr. "Feel-Me" Phil). Maybe he is the one who had a bad day and not you. Better yet, if you do know the guy, ask him why. But you better be prepared for the response you may get.

Better yet, I will volunteer my own time and be happy to see you, have sex like rabid ferrets and verify to all if you are indeed a "6" or not!

RacquelOC 7983 reads
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80 / 85



Girlfriend...don't let one 6 rating get you down. The man was still willing to pay your donation for your company, wasn't he?  You can't be THAT bad or he would have said, "Sorry, but you're not what I was looking to pay for" and left.  Don't be so hard on yourself.

DreamSiren 8322 reads
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81 / 85

In all honesty,  you can not expect other people who approach certain situations differently to understand what you are feeling and why you are so upset with being lied to.  Individuals value different things.  Different individuals are extremely sensitive and vulnerable to the opinions of others where as some individuals could care less.  You can not expect these two different types of people to understand why some things really irk one group when the other group would never be bothered by it.  

I will say that I understand how you are feeling.  I abhor being misled or deceived in anyway.  For me, it is extremely dishonorable and shows complete disrespect.  If I were in your situation, I would prefer he not compliment my looks at all, but instead compliment my actions.  

On the flip side, as many have stated, being a 6 is not a bad thing.  I will never forget having an appointment with a gentleman, and he went on and on about how beautiful I was.  In my review, his description of me was basically: nice eyes, natural 38DDD while for other women, he would write two paragraphs describing them... At first I was really offended. He even asked me how I wanted him to describe me since the review was more for my benefit than his.  I was so upset. I asked myself, how could this guy go on and on about me when we are together and then not have anything to say.  Later found out that most of those very descriptive reviews were written by the women themselves (this is on another review board).

Focus on yourself. Rationalize it in whatever way you must so that you can write off this situation and continue being the lovely, cheerful, and extradorinary woman that you are.  

With lots of hugs,
Rosie

Mr. Self Destruct 7269 reads
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82 / 85

Thanx, NOM (de plume?) for your well written and expressed post. Also, thanx for the good night kiss...I can use all of them I can get right now.

Peace.

NaomiMadrid See my TER Reviews 6978 reads
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83 / 85

Sometimes things like this happen.  Just keep being your beautiful self and it will show to all who read future reviews that it was a fluke.  I had the same experience on the opposite end of the spectrum..where a guy I had once seen gave me an 8 performance and the next time gave me a 6.  To me, this is much worse because it is almost like he didnt get what he paid for..which is the intimate part and the most important part of running your business.  Despite the fact that there were extenuating circumstances which led to a less passionate performance (I had just gotten over being sick as a dog during hay fever season and had tried to cancel but he really wanted to see me; I wasnt as into kissing as a result..just overall a bad day!); I felt like I had reached the end of my, then, short career...but, lo and behold...I contacted him in a polite fashion through email, he was even willing to have us try again---as it was a fluke, etc and I was able to respond in turn.  Don't get down on yourself..take a break, keep being the pretty lady you know you are and just make sure that your performance is what remains top notch...there are so many ROBs who are 9s and 10s that have been permanently blacklisted because they don't deliver!  Now THAT is a fate worse than...well, yeah..!

thevirginiadude 8 Reviews 6222 reads
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84 / 85

Some people are assholes, so just because one guy didn't have his fantasy met because you didn't do "X" or "Y" because you don't for your own reasons, don't sweat it. Now if everyone suddenly started then maybe they were right, but don't sweat a single review. No provider can be all things to all people. And even more importantly nor should they expect to be. Be yourself thats what is expected by most of us.

De Oppresso Liber 10148 reads
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85 / 85

Huh?

This thread has lapsed to page 2 so you may not see this, but I just saw this reply.

First of all, your original post asked for input and specifically said "Men's thoughts are appreciated."  If you didn't want to know how I felt about it, I'm not sure why my opinion was asked.  I've simply proposed a different perspective, a different way of looking at the situation.

Second, I'm not sure why you think I'm "upset with how the ending went to this scenario."  My gripe wasn't with how you handled it or why.  My gripe was that this thing avalanched.  All the guy did was say you were "beautiful" and later gave you a "nice" rating, probably not realizing your feelings would be hurt by this.

An hour into the thread, he was a liar.  By hour 2 he was deceiptful.  By hour 4 he was being called disrespectful towards women.  By hour 6 he was a manipulative puppeteer just out to bilk you out of a better performance.  By the time 12 hours rolled around, the term "rape" was actually being invoked.  I simply could not, and will not ever, just sit back and let that go uncontested, and here's why:

There are real liars in this world, this doesn't qualify.  There is real disrespect in this world, and this doesn't qualify.  There is real manipulation, real disrespect towards women, real deception that goes on every day.  And this doesn't qualify.

You'll see a consistent thread to many of my posts...  When people "hijack" powerful emotional images of people who really are the victims of real lies and manipulation, and then assign them to some guy who clearly is not doing this with evil intent--that's immoral.  That is a slap in the face of the people who really have those problems.

Nothing has been said, not one thing, in your original post that even implies this guy did this with any kind of mean or hurtful intentions.  He paid you more of a compliment in your presence than he should of, was more honest in his review than most are, and for that he is all these things?

Nice touch on the "oppressor" mispelling, not the spin I was hoping for!  "De Oppresso Liber" is Latin for "To liberate the oppressed," something I made a lifetime commitment to do, so "opressor" wasn't where I was hoping to go.

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