I’m a young good looking male.  I was wondering if that would have a negative or positive affect on my service.  I saw a special on Dancers and one of them had an interesting take.  She wouldn’t not approach younger attractive guys in the club.  She preferred older, less attractive men, stating that it was easier to get money out of them.  This brings me back to my question.  Would providers shy away from me thinking I would be less likely to pay more?  Thank you.

comparing dancers and escorts is comparing apples and oranges generally. Whatever methods dancers use to extract cash from guys in strip clubs is a topic of another discussion.

If you are attractive(in a generally recognized sense)you may get better service from an escort, but it really depends on chemistry, like most things of an intimate nature. If you are an honorable gentleman, who believes in paying for goods and services rendered, then arousing suspicion in an escort about payment really shouldn't be a concern, regardless of what you look like. MfSD.

Reoes the hobbyist looks make a difference in service?

To me looks aren't everything. It's the personality. Looks have nothing to do with ones personality. As long as you're sincere, gentle, respectful of others and yourself; then you've scored in my book. Age on the other hand; well in my experience, a younger hobbyist can be too picky.

P.S. Hygiene a big factor. You must be clean. I shouldn't have to tell a grown man that he need a shower. Poor hygiene is not acceptable. I've turned a few away because of this.

this is just my 2 cents worth.

HUgs & Kisses
Raquel

You raise an interesting point....

Sometime ago there was a guy who posted that he had problems with a girl (escort) in Cleveland who was convinced he was LE, even though he wasn't.

Further discussions / posts revealed that he was a relatively young, decent looking, pretty clean cut sort of white guy. I responed that I wouldn't be surprised that if the escort in question were young, she simply wouldn't be able to see outside the paradigm that a guy if his ilk could get laid without paying for it, so why should he, and thus conclude that he was LE (more mature and experienced provider know that hobbyists reason for hobbying vary greatly from man to man, and often have nothing to do with a man's ability to get laid for free...). When you add on top of that the fact that young, clean cut and white also pretty much describes the typical newbie LE officer, well there you go.

Your info on dancers was insightful as well. I think guys really need to understand their relationship with ASPs...escorts or dancers. It is critical to remember that until money STOPS changing hands...it is all about the money...

Reoes the hobbyist looks make a difference in service?

I am an old guy, kinda overweight, balding - certainly not a hunk. But, I have found that if you are plesant, friendly and respectful of the provider you get excellent service - especially on return visits. I seldom tip either, though I often bring a flower, some chocolate, a toy on a second visit and I get excellent response. I think it all revolves around treating the women as professionals and giving them the respect they deserve.

Often both good-looking men and women know it and they are little bit arrogant. Youth can also be a problem. I'm 39 now and although I think I'm getting uglier, women I meet in all facets of life seem to be more interested in me. I'm puzzled by this but I'm not going to knock it LOL! Perhaps, better years lie ahead for both of us.

Futhermore, when I visit a strip club or massage parlour I often look for the more average looking ladies and especially I note their behaviour to guage their level of enthusiasm. Sometimes you get the occasional gem who is both gorgeous and enthusiastic, but it seems rare.

My current provider, is a Vietnamese massage girl who I'm grooming for FS. She probably rates no more than a "6" by most traditional measures. However, her performance, enthusiasm, and true enjoyment of our time together more than compensates for the lack of raw good looks.

I disagree with your subject header, it's a bit too broad in scope. I have seen lovely ladies in this biz who were superior providers and were very pleasant.
I have noticed ladies paying a little more attention to me too lately, at age 42, a little more grey in my hair, and a lot more green in my pocket LOL. Ain't life grand. MfSD.

... of good looking. Are you talking about just the face or the body too.

I've had providers tell me that they appreciate the fact that at 41 I am still in very good shape and that they don't enjoy working with fat men. So if you include body type in the equation then 'good looking' is probably going to be better received.

And as many others have said, attitude and respect are everything. If you treat her like a prison inmate treats his new cellmate, you're probably less likely to be invited back.

I’ll answer some question now and raise others.  I do fitness modeling from time to time, so I’m not just a pretty face.  I consider myself attractive not just because of my looks, but my personality.  You see I was a tall skinny kid growing up and just recently bulked up.  I had to get by mostly on personality.  I’m a really nice guy and a freak about personal hygiene.  I like long walks on the……Oh wait I’m getting side tracked.

The L.E. enforcement issue is one I haven’t thought about.  I pretty much fit the profile.  Young white male, in good shape, clean cut, not very willing to give out too much info.  I never thought about this before.  I learn something new everyday on this board.  What are some ways I can avoid this.  I can’t give out too much info, because I’m in high profile industry.  I don’t want to get in to a bad “blackmail” situation.  Thanks again, you guys and girls are great.

but we've got to start somewhere. I think we all use some stereotypes or guidelines, and hopefully we are open-minded enough to not be ruled by them.

Clearly both providers and clients are using guidelines for their selection of potential partners. I certainly see lots of age stereotyping going on.

Reepends on your definition...

Since overweight people in general are one of the largest single groups discriminated against in this country, it is reasonable to expect that many providers do not care for fat men.

In which case your profile also fit gay men.  Another reason why the girls tend to stay away.  However, i would guess that dancers (predominately anti male) would have more distaste for gay men (presumedly anti-female)  Providers on the other hand fear fellas with flutes in their mouths (to borrow from cool post on music a while back.)  The stigmatism of health has been well documented.  

To answer your query on what to do to avoid the typecast.  Tell the truth.  Tell them you're a model and not a cop and you're not gay.  Oh yeah you said you had a problem with dancers not approach you.  What's with that?  You've got looks, money, and get by on personality- what's the problem with approaching them.  Let that gift of schmooze do you good.  

Also, I can understand about seeing a provider being a problem in your biz (and why would you need to with your background?) However, celebrities and athletes go to strip clubs all the time.  It's not uncommon to see a high profile person like Magic johnson or a has been like Paulie Shore at SC throwing money around.  Maybe i don't know how the inside of the modeling biz works, but I just don't see that "blackmail" thing happening here.  Now your personal life, if you have an significant other that could be a problem.

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Your attitude will form the basis of the majority of your encounters, methinks... I've heard over and over again (and experienced myself), that many ladies don't like the young attractive guys because they are sooooooo COCKY... they come into it with an attitude of "You are sooooo darned LUCKY to be seeing me, YOU should be paying ME!" That is not a fun thing to deal with... honest it isn't! Of course there is no rule that applies to everyone... I've met young, attractive guys who were absolute sweethearts... and by posting, you obviously *care* about the issue... So I don't see why you shouldn't have a blast!  Relax, play nice, you'll do fine

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Nicole

The ONE place on the planet where a guy shouldn't have to make the first move is a strip club. I absolutely, totally, positively REFUSE to approach the dancers. Hell, its their job, right? The whole point of paying for attention is so that INSIDE the club is NOT like the world OUTSIDE the club...

Of course, I must admit that on many occassions (perhaps as much as 1/3 of the time) I go home with a pocket full of money and no dances. As previously posted, I understand why this happens however, from both my own observation and from the information dancers have given me (been chummy with many over the years, very chummy with a couple...). I figure those nights I go home semi drunk, having ogled girls all night, but no poorer (ok, slightly poorer...SC drinks ain't cheap) for the effort, I've come out ahead (those also tended to be the nights when the EX got a midnight or 1am surprise package, so she didn't complain much either....lol)

And for me being with the right woman makes for all the fun.  Case in point, was at a SC a year ago and was eyeing a couple of endowed blondes.  I was hoping one of them would approach me but didn't happen, one of the blondes dispappeared into the VIP, so I approached the other one.  Turns out she was eyeing me too but for whatever reason didn't approach.  Guess she wanted me to like her too. We talked and spent a comparatively great amount of time just chatting, hugging, almost BF-GF stuff and not much lapping.  Sure made my day.  

One thing that I found out though.  The politics that go on are pretty evident.  The other hot blonde who turned out was her friend, never asked me nor ever made eye contact with me because dancers do not like to share regulars.  And especially with a friend's client.

Note: Interesting that you mentioned semi-drunk, since studies have shown that being highly intoxicated tends to spoil happy surprises.  But having a little alcohol do contribute to arousal. I don't drink much but was curious to know if getting drunk have curtailed you bringing home the (ex) old lady's your gift?

You're right..there's LOTS of politics...I didn't get into it in my previous post re: strip clubs rules because that post was long enough, but yes, it helps if you know how "things work" between the girls. For example, it is a rule that I simply must (be it right, wrong, fair or unfair) give a dance to the first African American girl in a strip club who asks for one, else ALL the other African American girls in the club will ignore me...because I "dissed" their friend, and thus I must have a problem with my own kind (I have no such problem, believe you me...). Then there is the thing where by after you have sat a while with one girl, but want to move on, many other girls will shy away because you belong to "her" now....

Re: Late night delivery, I've never been so drunk that when I wanted to drop off a special load, I couldn't (I don't think I would get behind the wheel of a car in that condition), but I have been inebrated(sp) enough to not want to when my SigO did. That has been a problem more than once with my current GF, who for some reason thinks EVERY fancy meal and late night out should be followed by sex. Frankly, when I am full of Grey Goose and USDA Prime Beef after 10pm, the LAST thing I want to do in a bed is have sex, but what can you do? Besides, at those times I figure its her job to "get it up" and "put it down" - if she can get my flag pole raised and climb on top, she can ride until one or both of us is no longer capable. Typically, she doesn't care about doing all the work under these circumstancs...she too drunk and horny to be beligerent....LOL!!

leaving nearly 3 inches to play with.

I go into the bank and specifically request large, new, crisp bills, take them home and run them once through the wash to eliminate the sharp edges and sticky face.

After ironing the bills, I fan them slightly and place them in a clean, pure white envelope with the corners of the bills displayed just under the unsealed flap.

I'm fairly certain the providers don't give half a damn what I look like.

funny, riker, and half way to the truth.

sure, the money matters to the provider. but the only thing that matters to we clients is whether the girl rings our bell and the service was a great time.

i just don't understand this headgame stuff about wuz she rilly thinkkin, wuz i rilly thinkkin, wuz it real, wuzn't it real, didshe cum, didshe likkit ... who cares?

here's the skinny guy who feels content because the provider says she doesn't like fat guys. here's the fat guy who feels content because the provider says she doesn't like skinny guys. see a pattern there?

the point is, *you felt content*. the provider made you feel special, happy, cared for, drained dry, whatever. *she did good*. what is not real about that? what needs explaining? tip her, hug her, and call her first the next time around. it keeps getting better until it gets old!

all this about the money is kinda demeaning to the providers. what about the johns who are married and broke and stoned on dope and have crabs from the last crack whore they were with, and come across as mr. nice guy banker just divorced and so clean and sober? who's kiddng whom in a boff for cash?