I have had an experience come up more times this year than any.  That is, after completing what seemed like a very satisfying round of sex with a lady, we both look down and find that she has been bleeding.  This has happened at least six times this year to me!  None of them said they felt bad but at least one lady, who happened to have a reputation of a strong sexual appetite, got dressed well before our time was up.  In fact, all said that they enjoyed the sex.

Teddy Roosevelt had his famous quote of "walk softly but carry a big stick".  I have been told that I am large and, by appearance, it would come as a total surprise to most ladies.  I never want to hurt a lady and would prefer that she tell me if I am hurting her but none of these ladies that I made bleed said a word.  I tend to roam around in my hobbying but I had one lady that I had a great time with ignore my messages for a return engagement.  She had nothing but compliments to my face but she still ingored me during and after two meetings.  Maybe she thought I was too much work at the time?  I just wish that a lady would stop me if I'm hurting her as that is not my intention.  I get caught up in the moment like anybody else and just feel the pleasure.

Are most of you ladies honest if a man is hurting you or do you just tolerate it until the end?  Making a lady bleed well before her period kind of scares me.  Not for the obvious reasons of a potential biohazard but out of concern for the lady I have just had what seemed like a great time with.

Teddy

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but many ladies work during their periods. They would probably rather make you think it is your well endowment then admit to the truth. Women's private areas are capable of pushing out children, and made to be "flexible." So don't worry, I would be willing to bet that you are not the cause of their "sudden" bleeding.

Speaking for myself,"No Pain-No Games"
I have this regular client that see me 3-4 times a month. He do not care if my monthly is on or not but I have a problem with him calling me when he knows I am on my monthly. My problem is whenever I see him I bleed for an extra two days which keep me from working.

If you inform me upfront that you were large in size I would tell you up front that YMMV. I can honestly say that I have never fool anyone about my monthly before, during or after a session. But if my monthly came on after the appointment has been set I will call the client and inform him of the situation. If he choose to continue to see me then I will tell him that YMMV" No Missionary, No Asian Cowgirl, No Doggie Style." and durning the session I stay in control.


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I think it could be blood from that time of the month, but also the pill makes you bleed in between if you get too much thrusting.  There is a fine line between pleasure and pain.  If they didn't say anthing then it was probably okay.  Sometimes you don't feel pain until the next day, so they won't say anything and then regret it later.

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and it had nothing to do with that time of the month because I don't have a "that time of the month".  And I honestly don't know why it happened.  Neither of the guys that this happened with were larger than average, and it wasn't all that rough.  The first guy it happened with got totally grossed out (and it was only a little blood on the condom), and I've never seen him since.  The second guy felt awful and thought it was his fault, and I still see him on a very regular basis.  I personally think that I must have lost some of my "lubricant" and there was too much friction.  So, long story short, maybe you should bring along (or suggest) a little lube.

than an STD is possible.

My significant other is well endowed and during the early phases of our relationship we would have sex for hours and hours, nearly every day of the week, sometimes using up an entire box of condoms. For days at a time. I've never had so much sex in my life. But I never bled from this. A little sore, yes, but bleeding is not normal from vigorous sex. Think about it - did YOU start bleeding from the penis? I think not - and you were subject to the same friction she was. Our tissue is similar.

There are so many reasons she could be bleeding. Menstruation, a tender cervix which could be due to stds, warts, or many other bacterial infections. If the bleeding is coming from the outside a microscopic tear could be present or it could even be from the tender perineal or anal tissue if you've been playing in that area.

Hobbyists should be alarmed by the statements of some of the girls here that providers are frequently working while on their period. That increases the risk of exchange of body fluids significantly.

Thanks for the answers ladies.  Sometimes I look at endowment as being more of a hinderance than anything because I don't want to hurt a lady.  Even ladies that offer anal never offer it to me because of my size.  I got the surprise of my life once when a lady all of 5' 100lbs who doesn't normally offer it let me try it.  We were very careful and both enjoyed it.


I got a little worried because I have hit a streak of about four out of six ladies who had some bleeding after we were done.  Most were just spotting and one said I probably triggered her period which wasn't supposed to start for a few days.  Only one bled a lot and I agree that this was probably her period.  I do recall one lady I was with who did not tell me it was her time but could feel myself hitting some kind of blockage and could not penetrate completely.  In this instance, whatever she had put up there prevented any bleeding.  

I always try to be gentle when getting started to let a ladies body adjust.  Once the action picks up I try to listen to a ladies reactions as to what she is enjoying and proceed accordingly.  Sometimes the action gets intense and we both lose ourselves in the moment.  I don't want to hurt anybody in the heat of the action.  It sounds like I'm not.  I know most of the ladies will tell you if something is hurting her.

Bottom line...your vagina should not be bleeding from sex with a well endowed man!!!!!The vagina is made to be flexible, we have babies for godsakes. Vaginal bleeding after sex is not normal, there has to be a medical problem, menstrual bleeding, post-menopausal bleeding,STD's, etc......Many ladies work on their cycle, and that is their buisness. They don't want to fess up if they get caught because it is not the sexiest topic in the world. I also want to add that I am a registered nurse.I also want to add that menstrual blood is sterile until it leaves the body; so their really is no compunded risk for contracting an STD by being sexually active during the cycle. Last off, this is not meant to be judgement of whether working on your period is right or wrong, it is just medical fact.

HIV and Hepatitis are found in the blood, just to name a very few. Sterile means free from live bacteria or other microorganisms. If blood were "sterile" there would be no worry about transmitting diseases through blood and your doctor, dentist, nurses and EMTs would be working barehanded. What are you saying? Menstrual blood is just like any other blood from a cut or anything else.

There certainly IS a compounded risk for contracting an STD by being sexually active during the cycle if you HAVE an STD. That's fine if you're with a partner or your wife but with a stranger? Better not to take the chance of exposing yourself to anyone's blood.

Perhaps you're confusing blood with urine. Unless you have a genitourinary tract infection or std, URINE is sterile until it leaves the body whereupon it can be infected by bacteria on the labia, etc.

http://www.keeper.com although it says not to use during intercourse.

Or it could have been a contraceptive sponge or more likely a diaphragm. There are plenty of tricks providers can do to avoid letting you know they are on their period.

Now you've got me wondering, how big ARE you? Can you post a photo???

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Just thinking of posting a photo reminds me of those dumb pictures guys post on Adult Friend Finder.  

I'm not a tall guy so I never knew what it felt like to bump my head in a door way but this is what I felt like when I was bumping my other head against whatever device she was using to hide her period.

I always thought I was an average guy until providers pointed my size out to me.  After all, besides porno, most guys don't see other guys with hard-ons and run up and compare size.  A while back, somebody posted a chart of size and I end up being in the 90th percentile in length and 95th percentile in girth.  That is if those charts were accurate.  I created a fake name for this post because I don't like to advertise this.  I was bummed once when a lady volunteered information about my size along with the referral.  I kind of like to make it a surprise when seeing a new lady.  Besides, I have found size to be more of a hinderance than help.  Most of the ladies I have met enjoy my linguistic skills more than anything else anyway.

My main reason to post was to get opinions on what I could be doing to cause this since this has started happening so much recently.  From the feedback, it sounds like I need to invest in some astroglide even though I make sure to get a lady worked up with my tongue before penetration.

http://www.sizesurvey.com/result.html

Pretty comprehensive survey with over 3000 sample size.

According to this survey if you're in the 95th percentile you're approximately 9 inches in length and 7 inches in circumference. That's a goodly chunk of meat but not enough to make girls spontaneously start bleeding! Most likely: a period they tried to cover up and you knocked the barrier loose with your hefty tool. OR merely a lowgrade infection (not necessarily an std but sometimes bacterial vaginosis) is more likely the culprit.

Listen,

I am not going to get into this argument with you. I do not have the time or energy to prepare information, facts, and such to present in this forum.It would get really long and boring. The risk of contracting HIV, or other STD's thru "menstrual fluid" alone is almost nill. There is a risk however once it leaves the uterus and mixes with vaginal secretions etc. The risk of transmission from female to male oral sex is also low risk. Also, I did go to nursing school, and do have my bachelor's degree. I plan on continuing on for my Master's. If you would like to e-mail me and continue this conversation, fine... I will research and present my case to you for my position. I also did not say "blood' is sterile. Do you even know the exact make-up of menstrual fluid. You must be some kind of genius to be so cocky, and condescending to others. You are in the wrong buisness to sit and preach about the evils of STD's. You take risks all of the time I am sure. Complete abstinence is the only way not to risk exposure to HIV,AIDS,and numerous other STD's.Did you know that????!!!!

Chlamydia infection of the cervix can cause bleeding after sex but 6 times in one year seems a bit high...how many girls have you seen in the past year?  Maybe 6 out of 100 is not improbable for Chlaymdia infection.  It is a disease running rampant and can remain asymptomatic for years.

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I think you are confused with urine...urine is typically sterile except when a person has a bladder, kidney or urethral infection.

Blood is not sterile.  That is why medical professionals use gloves when dealing with blood.   That is why we are told not to recap the needles and why we dispose of needles in that red box that says HAZARDOUS WASTE.   Blood is how HIV and Hepatitis B is spread.



Talisa R.N.



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Did you also know that certain viruses and bacteria are specific to certain organs, systems in the body. For example, HIV attacks the lymphatic system(T-cells specifically). Did you know that there are certain organs in the body that are considered sterile..e.g. lungs are sterile (but can become contaminated, e.g. aspiratory pnuemonia. The stomach for example is a non-sterile organ, inhabited by e-coli. The uterus is a protected organ. I also know2 that "blood' is not sterile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Now, I am going to work on my telemetry unit at the hospital where I am a nurse. Would you like me to post a thesis on menstrual blood when I get some free time? Why are women so damn catty, and always trying to one up eachother? I guess we all have one thing in common; we prefer the company of men.

Lisa, I was never being catty and I resent the implication.  May I remind you that YOU are the one who came on this board and said you were a nurse and then said that blood is sterile.

I know all about the C4 Langerhans cells that are the port of entry for HIV.

No need for a thesis, why don't you submit that to your University...I cannot give you a Master's degree, dear.  Since I work part-time in Cardio-Thoracic ICU, I am the wrong person to try to impress with the word "telemetry".    

If a woman has asymptomatic PIV, then there is NO WAY you can honestly say her Menstrual fluid is sterile and since there is no way to know, all body fluids must be handled as such...especially blood products.  The amount of reckless sexual behavior (by attached men) is unsettling enough, they don't need a nursing professional convincing them that menstrual fluid is sterile.   Believe me, that all the excuse some of them need to try to engage is risky behavior.  Please don't encourage them.

As for company, I prefer the company of mentally stable people, irregardless of their gender.


Talisa

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eom

Thanks again for all of your wonderful input!  

Believe it or not, my profession takes me into hospitals, especially floors that have telemetry.  I'm going to see the cute nurses I run across in a whole new light now!  I have worked around hospitals all of my career as well and know that it is better to be safe than sorry around body fluids.  You just have to weigh the risk factors for yourself when it comes to this hobby.  

I have been off and on in the "hobby" for many years and had never had anything like this happen as frequently as I have recently.  I really try to listen to a provider's body to tell me how to go.  Maybe I'm just being too physical even though the lady seems to be enjoying herself.  There is nothing more of a turn on to me than a ladies expression of pleasure/passion.  Even though it's fun to get wrapped up in the moment, I just have to make sure that I don't go overboard.

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"I also want to add that menstrual BLOOD IS STERILE until it leaves the body"

No need to preach to me about risks, I am well aware of them. Why are you so defensive? I'm not being condescending at all, I merely want people to realize sexual acts involving blood are riskier than normal ones. It's one thing to tell people unprotected oral sex is low-risk, it's quite another to say that body fluids such as blood are safe and quite frankly I'm surprised a nurse is downplaying this.

And.....your point is. I am done arguing with all of you catty ladies; you cannot even comprehend the info I am trying to convey to you. It is impossible to communicate with people like you..."dear". Anyway, it is all about cattiness. The first dig was taken at me; by rudely implying that I am not a nurse, or a good one for that matter. Jealousy.....But, if you want to continue with your insults; expect to recieve them back. If you want to drop it..great because I really hate wasting my time on bitter,competetive people like you. Thank you very much. Who new menstrual blood coulkd become such a hot topic.

This happened to me once.  A boyfriend who was quite...er...long hit an artery when we were going at it.  I bled for a week.  These arteries are small and self-heal (no worry).  You eat alot of foods with iron etc. for the week for energy.  I, also, paniced when this happened (naturally you assume you have all kinds of horrible cooties)...but it was only a tiny artery that broke, I am still alive and kicking...and let's assume the artery healed itself as I went on to have a baby later.

i have had my period triggered twice now by vigorous sex with a well endowed client. It took me by surpise so now if I am within a few days of my Period I wear a diaphragm on an appointment to protect my client's from my blood....which is not sterile...nothing catty just the facts. i realize that it is not contaminated with bacteria until it reaches open air but to say that it doesn't increase your risk is well...not correct. Lisa I don't think anyone is being catty you are just wrong and not handling it well.

one definition of sterile, fairly widely used before widespread awareness of viral diseases like hepatitis and hiv, was that the substance contained no LIVING organisms. there is still controversy as to whether a virus is "alive" since it does not specifically meet our definition for biological life.

blood inside a healthy person IS sterile. if you have a bacterial infection that has reached your bloodstream (septicemia, toxemia, septic shock...) you will be extremely ill and dead very soon. HOWEVER, as most of you seem to know, you CAN have a viral infection, like hep or hiv, in your bloodstream without being sick at all. and menstrual blood can contain a virus, just like any other blood, though the hiv virus does die very quickly outside the closed circulatory system.

many of you have already hit the nail on the head; bleeding after sex, if not related to a period, is probably due to minute tears in the vaginal wall caused by lack of lubrication and probably not your size (massive as it may be that's why unprotected sex is risky - the vaginal (and anal) walls are relatively thin, absord fluids more readily than outer skin, and tear easily.

Clarence 37,
Thank you for your insight.. I am sure you will recieve a much better response to your post then I did. Once again, I say "menstrual fluid ,which contains a small amount of blood is sterile until it leaves the uterus". I refuse to add anymore because these ladies are not interested in info; only being catty. Anyone who reads my original post will see that I said that "menstrual blood' is sterile ; not all blood in the body. This whole thing is ridiculous..By the way, the rate of transmission from mother to child for HIV in utero is only 17%!Think outside what you read in People magazine and the Enquirer ladies; don't believe the hype.It is impossible to argue my point to such an ignorant group.

The AIDS virus (aka, HIV or Human Immunodeficiency Virus) does not die "very quickly outside the closed circulatory system." HIV belongs to a class of viruses (which includes influenza) that is lipid-enveloped; inserted into the lipid envelope are such proteins as gp120 and gp41. The lipids in the viral envelope are very similar to those found in the the surface membrane of erythrocytes. Because of this lipid envelope, HIV may be inactivated by detergents (soap) and ethanol.

If HIV is left at room temperature in a petrie dish, it's viral activity (i.e., capacity to infect cells) diminishes only slowly with time. HIV is scientifically studied by growing it up on host cells, and then isolated in concentrated form and stored indefinitely at -70 Centigrade. HIV thawed from these frozen stock will retain it's infectivity. Indeed, highly-concentrated, frozen HIV stocks can be purchased, if you're licensed, for approx. $2000 per milligram.

So how did the mythology develop that HIV will quickly die outside the body. The Centers for Disease Control and health educators didn't want people freaking out that they might come in contact with "live" HIV. Of course, it's likely that we do during the day, even if we're not having sex. However, HIV can't be contracted by such casual contact, because the viral levels are low (i.e., one or two viral particles on your hand can't infect you), HIV is not particularly infectious (compared to influenza and hepatitis) and the preferred targets are the host's blood cells (i.e., CD4 lymphocytes and macrophages) and mucous membranes.

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Glad to help, Nicole. The Federal government actually pays me for research in this area, so it's the one topic that I should know something about.

I never insinuated you weren't a nurse on this board.  You are the one trying to impress others here with your use of the word "telemetry" and your "thesis".  

What I find myself wondering is why you can't just admit you made a mistake instead of being so damn defensive.  An attitude like yours would never cut it in the nursing program I attended.  They just wouldn't have tolerated it.  Its  an attitude like yours that leads to errors that put patients at risk because some medical professional with a huge ego just couldn't admit they didn't know something and kept on insisting they were right instead of listening to someone else who just might know a little more.

Just because you are an RN doesn't make you God.  You need to humble yourself because no matter who you are, someone else always knows a little more!  I have no  tolerance for your agressive and defensive attitude.  If you can't play nice, go elsewhere!

I also find it disturbing that you didn't understand something so basic as my point.  My point is that blood is not sterile.  It carries microbes which means its not sterile.

In which year of the nursing program are you?



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That is very true but there are many possible causes and Chlamydia is but one...your reason is but one. Another reason can be cervical cancer.

Its precisely this condescending know-it-all attitude of yours that I reject!  You are snooty and snotty and this is the problem I have with you.  For YOU to label the people here as "ignorant" shows exactly the type of person you are so why don't you stop "slumming" and hang out with others who will be impressed with what you have to say?

Or maybe you could stick around and YOU might LEARN a thing or two and find out that you harbor ignorance as well.

Hi Clarence,

I also believe the term sterile as used currently means it harbors no microbes.  While a virus is classified by most molecular biologists as a chemical since it only contains RNA and lacks DNA, it is still an infectious agent and therefore since blood may well contain HIV or Hepatitis, it is my understanding that blood is no longer assumed as being sterile since one has no way of knowing without proper lab analysis.  And since infection can be passed through blood, it is not considered sterile as opposed to urine which can harbor HIV but the viral load is so small as not to cause infection, therefore urine is considered sterile, that is in the absence of an infection, typically E. Coli.




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HIV is not transmitted solely through viral particles, called virions. HIV is a retrovirus, and it's genetic message is carried in the virion by RNA, not DNA. Once a blood cell (i.e., CD4-lymphocytes and -macrophages)is infected by HIV, the RNA is translated into DNA by the enzyme reverse transcriptase, and the viral DNA is then incorporated into the host genome. These cells harbor the genetic message which codes for the AIDS virus, but the viral DNA may stay latent for long periods. There may be no "signature" on the cell to indicate that it contains the viral DNA message. By still unknown mechanisms, cells with the latent viral DNA message may be activated, releasing hundreds of AIDS virus particles.

So if HIV-infected cells are transferred, the new host may become infected without being directly exposed to the viral particles. For a virus that many think should not be classified as "life", sounds pretty smart to me.

probably the simplest reason your cock makes a woman bleed is that any open wound will clot when the vagina is collapsed (empty) and will break open when the vagina is stretched. ever have a paper cut that broke open every time you picked up a pencil?

blood can express for a variety of reasons, and most of them, as stated here, are not innocuous. LisaMN, i don't think the research on HIV transmission is anywhere solid enough (sample sizes, controls, confounding factors of disease transmission, accuracy of behavioral reporting) to rule in or out infectious blood contact from one source and not from another. why debate about how close you can stand to a cliff and not fall off? i think that all the other posters are trying to say is that they want to stand well back from the edge and don't trust research that says otherwise.

anyway, what ever happened to talking to and carefully exploring the provider *before* sex? touch her gently, and see how she responds; kiss her all over, look at and eat her pussy, finger her with a clean hand, and see how she responds; let her handle you, and put on the cover, and ask her if you are too large for her; enter slowly and tease her with your tip, then glide gently, then hilt it, and see how she responds; mix everything up with a little cuddling and affection along the way ... you know, drive the speed limit.

my advice is to communicate with the providers a little more, and check them out with your own words, hands, nose and eyes, before you put them in a situation where face saving is an issue.