Great question! Not an answer, but an illustration of what I think, at this moment, FWIW: I love Paris in the Spring. If I meet a $200-$300/hour provider who I think would love such a trip, maybe I'll ask her. (I'm speaking hypothetically here; factually, I've already met several providers I'd enjoy a week in Paris with. God knows, my French needs a a lot of work...).
I hate to fly coach to Europe, and wouldn't inflict that I anybody I cared for, so we'd have to go Business class. That would be $4000-$6000 each (say 5K for ease of calculation). A decent left bank hotel will run $2,000 for the week. Meals, another $500 to $700. Tourist stuff, transportation and incidentals, $1000. It's negotiable, and I realize there's a lost opportunity cost for her to consider, but my initial offer would be: the $14,000 trip, a free guide (me) with 6-years of French behind him (way behind...), and some walking around money. Oh, I'll throw in good sex if she's a good negotiator.
Wouldn't matter to me if she's been 10 times or never been, if she'd enjoy Paris this Spring, I'll take her. But I don't think I'd pay her more for the time spent. It's a free country and she's welcome to go on her own if she'd rather. Or wait for someone else more willing to pay more for her time than I.
Just my two cents. Worth what you paid for it but great question, thanks! Comments by others much appreciated.
Ok ... Guys .... here's a survey question (well, sort of):
We've all seen web sites with well reviewed providers that charge $$$ for a session .... and we've all seen provider sites that say it's $$$ for lunch and $$$,$$$$,$$$ plus health and pension benefits for actually HOBBYing with them (God, I love that euphemism!) But here's the question, and obviously it only applies to those of you that have ACTUALLY done this:
What is the most and the least you've actualy paid to spend an overnight with a provider? For a weekend? For an entire week? Does a girl who charges $300 for a session actually GET $2,000 for overnight, $4,000 for a weekend or $9,000 for a week?
Well yes, of course there are. There are also ones that will do it for the pleasure of the travel .... but I wonder if there's a real "going rate" (as opposed to Fantasy Land Prices often listed on the web sites)
I just had a over night with one of the best provider from LA in Sept. (Sorry not allowed to mention her name here) I paid for her ticket + the overnight, it was $5000. She was the best in GFE department. pig, you know sometimes $20 can be too expensive for BJ. But some of the ladies just make the experience priceless. So there you goes.
I've only done one overnight, and it was $1,000. Normal rate is $300/hour. Saw her multiple times before the overnight, and she usually doesn't do overnights.
We've talked about traveling together (to a spot she enjoys) with me covering expenses and a little more on the side. This is a model built on friendship and enjoying each other vs. pure business.
Great question! Not an answer, but an illustration of what I think, at this moment, FWIW: I love Paris in the Spring. If I meet a $200-$300/hour provider who I think would love such a trip, maybe I'll ask her. (I'm speaking hypothetically here; factually, I've already met several providers I'd enjoy a week in Paris with. God knows, my French needs a a lot of work...).
I hate to fly coach to Europe, and wouldn't inflict that I anybody I cared for, so we'd have to go Business class. That would be $4000-$6000 each (say 5K for ease of calculation). A decent left bank hotel will run $2,000 for the week. Meals, another $500 to $700. Tourist stuff, transportation and incidentals, $1000. It's negotiable, and I realize there's a lost opportunity cost for her to consider, but my initial offer would be: the $14,000 trip, a free guide (me) with 6-years of French behind him (way behind...), and some walking around money. Oh, I'll throw in good sex if she's a good negotiator.
Wouldn't matter to me if she's been 10 times or never been, if she'd enjoy Paris this Spring, I'll take her. But I don't think I'd pay her more for the time spent. It's a free country and she's welcome to go on her own if she'd rather. Or wait for someone else more willing to pay more for her time than I.
Just my two cents. Worth what you paid for it but great question, thanks! Comments by others much appreciated.
At first glance the idea of paying my way first class with luxury hotel accomodations sounds great. But then not being remimbursed with money (it could be a negotiable amount) won't work for me.
Every day that I am away from home, I am NOT making X amount of money. I'm pretty popular in my city and can have multiple appointments every single day of the month (if I wish to work that hard).
Therefore, at the end of the week, I will have seen some great sights (I agree with you that Paris is gorgeous), but there won't be any money in my pocket to pay the bills or fund my IRA account when I get back.
Just kidding I respect your answer. Like lots of small business owners, "vacation" bascially is another way of saying the business is closed for a time and no money is coming in. Thanks for providing another perspective!
Guess I have a different perspective on this than sexxy girrl and some others. I AM a small business owner and yes, it is true that "vacation" means the business is closed and no money is coming in. But small business owners DO take vacations after all and providers do as well. I guess I am not as persuaded as some for the argument of expecting a sizable payment as a replacement for lost income in addition to having all other vacation expenses covered by the gentleman especially if it is a "sweet" vacation with a person you click with anyway. Hell, if some gal wants to cover all of my expenses to go on a fun vacation each year, I would be happy to accommodate her and would even be willing to engage in play activities for her. I am going to be taking a vacation anyhow somewhere along the way so why pay for it myself if someone else is comfortable picking up the expense.
Sure, a provider, like other small business owners, will occcasionally schedule a week off for personal vacation and get out of town. Obviously no money is coming in.
But my personal vacation would be with a boyfriend and/or family. If I went to Europe with a client during that scheduled break, it would not be the same because I would be "working" instead of being with my loved ones. While there are certain enjoyable aspects of flying first class and seeing the great cities of Europe, a girl is still "working" for the client.
I have many wonderful clients of whom I am very fond. But I'm not in love or lust with them. When spring break rolls around, I'd much rather go with my boyfriend and my kids to DisneyWorld in Florida than go on an (unpaid) vaction to Europe with one of these favored clients.
compensating a lady for the time is that the client would expect the lady to be cheerful and happy all the time while in the real world that is not always possible. So no matter how things are spinned, it is still a working vacation. Unless the client and the lady truely enjoy each other's companionship and enter into the quasi-relationship phase.
You are absolutely correct. I did not consider the matter from the context of husband/boyfriend, SO, family members, etc. I was more focused on two individuals, provider/client, who hit it off together. Thanks for expanding my thinking!
Think about the hobbyist. He goes on vacation. If he's self-employed, he's not generating revenue while away from work, and he's paying for his vacation time.
If he takes you along and pays a LOT for your expanses, he IS paying you. Maybe not in cash that you can bank when you get home, but you can't just wink at the man behind the counter at Lufthansa and hope on first class (or maybe YOU can).
Basically, there IS a financial transaction here, and you ARE being compensated. The question is simply whether it's enough.
I posted another message asking the question that's the topic of this thread elsewhere, and I apologize for the duplication. Hadn't read this thread at the time.
Again, I'm not trying to be disrespectful or inconsiderate. There are other, very simple, examples of how a provider might spend time with a client without her meter running; i.e., she's going shopping after their "date." He drives her to Rodeo Drive, or Union Square, or 5th Avenue, or whereever. She doesn't bill HIM for the "taxi" ride - and he doesn't bill her, either
I certainly understand why providers post "my rates are not negotiable" all over their websites, but my thoughts are that if there is NO other compensation a provider will accept in lieu of Federal Reserve Notes, she may not be looking out for her own best interests.
Good post. I've seen some ladies with exhorbitant daily rates, I'd love to see if guys have paid those (or will even admit to paying it). I've had a couple over nighters at $1500 and a few dinner dates, most were around $1200, plus a few hundred in expenses.
Frankly I can't justify the high costs of extended appts myself. With spending more money and longer hours I've expected the quality of the appts to be better, more GFE, etc. but that has not been the case. I can get dinner and conversation in the civilian world and don't need to shell out hundreds per hour for it. Thus I've never been able to justify doing a weekend or a vacation type of thing.
Maybe if I inherited millions or won the lottery I'd think differently, but I work hard for my money. Until then, I'll stick to 2 hour GFE appts and have my other fun off the time clock.
I have taken several multi day get-a-way trips with some fine providers. One, who I've frequently referred to as my ATF now retired, was one of the most sought after providers in her area and got 3per hour with a 2 hour minimum. I made my original date with her for a dinner session that lasted about 7 hours. I paid lots, but can't rememger exactly because it's been a while (review has been pulled).
But as we "dated" she comped me nicely and eventually every session was more than one day. I donated $5000 for a trip to Monterey that lasted 6 days on our last extended time date. We enjoyed eachothers company and she knew that it wouldn't have happened with the regular fee.
I also plyed her with some nice jewelery and clothes over the years and we always stayed at the best hotels and dined at some of the finest restaurants in the US. In fact one meal was all most $700 for the two of us. So in a very real sense she helped me take her to some unforgetable events. Some dates were simple; we once cooked dinner in a motel and listened to music all night.
The truely nice thing was that I knew it was never expected and always appreciated.
Others have gone away with me for a fraction of their usual just for the excitment of getting to travel. I never have ever attempted to negotiate these donations.
Been lurking for a while. Been with two providers since starting this little "hobby". Thought I'd share a bit on the rates, since I can't share the reviews, (providers choice).
First time, went to Vegas with friends. My girl was $15k for four days. One friend's girl was $6k for three. The third friend was $3k for three days.
Second time, my girl was $9k for three days. One friend was $9k, also for three days. The third was $6k for two days.
Was it worth the money? Yes and no. The girls varied. My first girl was not, (surprise!) the second girl I took was fabulous! So much so, I'm going to be seeing her again in a week.
And my very first provider, too. In Boston about 5 years ago, a tiny Eurasian co-ed who was an absolute nympho, did it all and a lot more that I wasn't interested in.
Sadly she quit shortly after. This was in the days when all we had was USENET for reviews and she got a lot of crap thrown at her for being so cheap - "you're not real at that price". Eventually she decided it wasn't worth it.
Good to know that times have changed, none of that poor attitude from the guys on this site, lol.
My atf charges 1500/day plus the usual expenses (coach travel, food, entertainment. As sexxygirl stated, she has actually talked about charging me more the longer I keep her because she is not as productive as she could be. Her hourly rate by the way is $800.
I was with a provider in Dallas who charged me $1800 for the night and she was well worth it. We had a great time plus she picked up a civilian which we shared.
On rare occassion I may buy her a token gift on the road or send her a gift. I have seen some of the gifts people buy her though. She does pretty well when she travels.
I have heard anywhere from $3k to $20k particularly an agency pornstar or pet/playmate type. WAY over my head but interesting to think about.
I must be cheap or I just don't get it. Why would anyone pay over $1500 to spend time with a provider? The erotic part is not going to last much longer than two or three hours at most. The rest is just companionship and you can get that for free from lots of people. Everytime I think about blowing $2,000 for an overnighter with someone, I figure that I could have 3 or 4 sessions with different very good providers. Doesn't pencil out to me. Perhaps if I had more money to throw away, I could justify it....
What if the hobbyist is married, as more than half probably are. His wife doesn't like his planned excursion and doesn't want to go. He's interested in some companionship, and many of the lovely ladies we know through this board demonstrate how much B.S. there is in Charlie Sheen's supposed zinger "I never pay women for sex. I just pay them to leave afterwards."
There are LOTS of recent threads that discuss many of the emotional aspects of sexual relationships, and it's obviously extraordinarily complicated.
Ok well my ATF is a hell of alot of run to be with. As the post above stated, My wife is not interested in doing the things my ATF will do (nonsexual). So I get the best of both worlds, a wife to do the things with she wants to do and an ATF to do the thigns I want to do. Even if I looked at it your way, I would still only be paying about $500/hr for the sex which in my alue system is worth it.
I am also not interested in the variety you are. To each his own and may you find what our heart desires.
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I respect your answer. Like lots of small business owners, "vacation" bascially is another way of saying the business is closed for a time and no money is coming in. Thanks for providing another perspective!