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but I will not see a woman who has sex with men who have sex with other men.i do keep an eye out for providers shamlessly shilling each other on the RB's.I don't even really care 4 bisexual women.

...And the close-minded judgmental prostitutes who love them (who in between swallowing jizz loads for money wince at the prospect of two men getting it on).

People in this business live double, trip and quadruple lives.

You don't know who is fucking who, who is getting fucked, who is into swinging, threesomes, foursomes, moresomes, scat, golden showers, picking up streetwalkers in between GFE dates, fucking intravenous drug using boyfriends bareback when they're not on the clock and more.  

Use a condom and shut the fuck up.  Sound crude?  It should.  Some of you need to get really, really basic about what you're involved in and understand that any precaution aside from protecting your own self in the most immediate sense, having safe personal practices is utter frivolity and a waste of time.

But to find out the info, one would have research and research clients, etc.

What I try to do is just research the provider and find out that she is clean and safe and once thats done then I feel better. If I were to worry about the clients she sees then I would go crazy with worry so why bother.

a big turn off for me is when a lady that has a guy friend that she can bring along and the client sucks his dick then then the client also gets fucked in the ass or fucks the provider's guy friend in the ass. Then puts that same dick inside the providers pussy and her mouth.  Gross!!

It makes you think different of the lady after you read that type of review.

Thats just me talking

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The things you people say on a website devoted to prostitution.

The post was crude by design.

Most of the hobbyists on this board are smart and decent?

So...what you're saying is is that most of the men on this board, most of whom are married and are tapping household funds to patronize prostitutes are upstanding citizens who only pay to have vanilla sex with them because they're smart and decent?

They all do wizardry and consult with their magic eight balls to determine which providers consistently test and practices safe sex in their personal lives with equally smart and decent men?

They have never patronized street walkers or indulged in alternative skeevy sex work?

Everyone on this board practices safe sex with every non-professional and professional they encounter?

There is no such thing as backchannel boards devoted to providers who offer bareback full service and no client is preoccupied with finding this "holy grail" of services?

No heterosexual man with a full review profile of acrobatics performed with women has ever sucked another man's cock or cruised Craigslist for an anonymous casual sex M4M encounter?

I don't think I EVER said that any heterosexual man need force himself to accept homosexuality or even embrace it.

What I DID say is that attempting to eliminate risk by relying upon your detective skills reading reviews is not only futile, its downright laughable!

I think I will go fuck myself.
Actually no need, I have an appointment shortly.

LOL

Couple of points to ponder:

1. Well, I guess you better start getting used to playing pocket pool instead of hobbying. If the rest of the world is connected by six degrees of separation, the hobbying world is even smaller. As far as I know, none of the men who have reviewed me have ever visited a TS. But I am reasonably certain that at least one of the women who have been reviewed by one of the men I have seen have also been reviewed by a man who also saw a TS. Did you follow that? So basically, you are screwed. Or rather, NOT screwed if this is such a hang up for you.

So basically, so long fella! We have some lovely parting gifts for you, and thanks for playing.

2. For nearly a decade now, heterosexual males (that means YOU buddy) have been the leading group of newly reported incidents of HIV infection. Directly behind heterosexual males as the leading at risk group, are heterosexual females. (Note, statistics are based on sexual practice as the means of infection, as opposed to IV drug use). In other words, the gay community was the first group infected, and hardest hit because of it. However, heteros have caught up and eclipsed gays, because too many stright guys persist in the belief that they are not at risk and therefore continue to engage in unsafe behavior. Gays have gotten the message.

3. Finally, what bad business practices? We are supposed to police our clients and ask them if they have ever had sex with a TS? I mean, really?? Give me a fvcking break.

Let me answer the question in your final paragraph.

Sure, providers realize that when they put forth an image, it is at the risk of losing some customers.

Vanilla providers who sell themselves as GFE dreams who only have sex in missionary and whisper sweet nothings know that their schtick bores the living shit out of clients who want to fuck women in ways that their wives and girlfriends generally don't permit them to.

Hardcore providers know that when they brag about doing nasty things with nasty people they are cutting out the segment of the hobbyist population who needs to believe that the woman they are booking gives herself an oral HIV test every morning after she brushes her teeth and is 4 clients removed from having lost her virginity last month.

Providers cannot effectively screen out every client with questionable taste and practices.  Why?  Because every client who eats fecal matter and licks the ass clean of a dom isn't going to raise his hand and tell the future provider what he's done at the time of booking.  He's going to say "hi I'm John, I'm an accountant and I have great references if you'd like to get together sometime".  When asked for his TER handle, he may say "I don't have one" or "I don't really write reviews" despite having written one just the day before.  What are providers supposed to do?  Sit on their hands?

By existing in this business and putting forth ANY image you are drawing a line in the sand which is going to cost business.

In the case of the scat eating hobbyist and super hot Dom you're now avoiding?  f you're a very active hobbyist chances are, you've already met a girl who has done things like this.  That it wasn't revealed in a review isn't by design.  It's just how the cards fell and frankly, I doubt that she cares about your $ because for every instance of a person like you who is turned off, someone else is looking for a girl like her.

Does that answer your question?

OK, had to create a new alias for this question, because I get turned off when I read reviews of a Provider (whom I am excited to arrange a visit with) who happened to see a Hobbyist (say within the last few month or so) who visits both Ladies and TSs or is into some heavy S&M weird stuff.

Now, I have no bias toward one's personal choices and sexual persuasions and preferences, but primarily from a health relatedPOV, I refrain from seeing a Provider who wittingly or unwittingly (which I imagine to be the majority of these type of cases) has had recent encounters with the type of  Hobbyists who frequently visit both sides of the fence.

This turn off of mine is not only limited to TSs and here is another example which I try to keep concise and keep identities protected, as much as possible:

You know how some Providers are really Bi and post chatty messages to each other back and forth on the local message boards (sometimes borderline shilling) Well there is this Premier Provider on our local MB who is really "friendly" with another Dominatrix Provider in the same region. The other day, I read a review on the Dom and the Hobbyist wrote a review that the Dom defecated on him (by his own desire) and that he did some serious rimming on the provider after the facts! Now, I realize that reviews are meant to be about fantasies and story telling, but as the mind is supposed the most erotic organ in humans, I am now turned off from even seeing the non-Dom super hot Provider, whom I have had the hots for the longest time!

Look, I am a realist and realize that a lot of shit (no pun intended) goes down between consenting adults behind closed doors and most of it we don't even read about in the reviews, but at some point the astute Providers must realize that they are perhaps costing themselves some business by their choice of whom they are prepared to see or be seen/associated with. The process of screening for mere LE issues and "safety" issues, can be overblown at the detriment of other overlooked factors.

What is your opinion about such turn offs and bad-for-business strategies?

as a provider..  i don't want a client who swings both ways, so i can't blame you for being turned off.  hell, i'm turned off just thinking about it.

Is there no end to what you gentleman want of us ladies? Charge less, charge more, be on time, screen thoroughly, don't screen at all... and now you'd like us to do a CDC level vector analysis of each potential client's sexual history?

The first hurdle in knowing who is doing who is the ever existing debate amongst gents regarding non-disclosure of their TER ID. Many men don't wish to provide their ID or will claim to not be a member of TER. How should we ladies research who they have and haven't seen in this case?

Further, many ladies aren't active on these boards. There are a multitude of marketing venues for ladies and they simply can't be present on all of them. So they will have no idea who is flirting with who on the boards.

As for your excluding a lady because she is friendly on the boards with another lady who sees fetish clients... wow... six degrees of separation darling, we're all connected somehow.

The bottom line is universal precautions. Just like in the medical fields, applying a consistent level of hygiene and barrier protection to each individual. Realize that I know more wish to be exposed to a communicable disease than you do. So long as a lady is diligently protecting herself, she is protecting you as well.

You have made some very valid points, yet because of the unnecessary belligerence, the message loses some of it's effect.

"As for your excluding a lady because she is friendly on the boards with another lady who sees fetish clients... wow... six degrees of separation darling, we're all connected somehow."

There are different degrees of fetish and having one's freshly feces smeared anus licked clean, is rather an unhealthy fetish, to say the least. Further, the two Providers are more than merely being friendly on the board. I'm not going to jump to conclusions and assume that Provider A does as Provider B does (guilty by association, if you will), but it is still MY DECISION and MY $$$ as to whom to  try to see.

The original post was intended to serve a caution to some (Hobbyists & Providers alike) and the underlying message was to be careful and to exercise safe play.

Well said, ML.  kudos.

I dunno about the rest of the providers, but i, for one, am extremely selective..  as i have earned the right to be.  only a small handful of regulars and i very rarely post (maybe 2x/month).  if a client wishes to screen me, then he should understand he is being scrutinized as well.  one red flag, and i will ask you to leave WITH your refunded money.  yes, i will let you leave with your donation, as it's more hassle to retain it.  with that being said, there is no amount of money in anyone's pocket, bank account or bonds that will allow you to touch me w/o protection.  while this business is risky no matter what precautions are taken, at least the effort of safe measures are being emphasized -- at least on my part.

I tend to pre-select Providers who have a few reviews and I'm not the TOFTT type. Furthermore, I hd always  "samplde" the Hobbyist, primarily because I have been surprised on numerous accasions by some of the high marks (9s & 10s) that some Providers (truly in the 7s & 8s range) obtain on their looks. I do this, because it gives an insight as to how/why a Hobbyist grades a Provider's look, and yes, I do understand that, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".  This sampling method was the route that lead me to some "unpleasant" discoveries regarding some Hobbyists.

I can not say that this has lead me to go crazy, as: "Knowledge is Power"

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Who designated anyone here to be the judge of who providers can and cannot FUCK.....

FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

If I want to stick my face between a ladies legs and lick her pussy until I have GIRLIE juice all over my face.....what difference does that make to anyone else...she likes it I LOVE IT....

Are you jealous?.........well wait a minute...............you may have the right to be hating on two ladies flirting with each other on the boards after they just spent the night with each other....no envelope no worries...just two hot ass women fucking for hours.....yup you are a HATER!!!

considering who I have licked......HELL OK YOU ARE RIGHT I UNDERSTAND.......you probably wanted to lick that delicious pussy yourself........

You wanted to kiss her thighs....lick her belly then breath on her clit until her back is arched and she is begging me to eat that pussy.... and I lift her legs and lick her pussy lips slowly and dart my tongue in and out of them....then part her pussy lips and flutter my tongue over her clit.....taking breaks to blow on it and watch it get bigger and bigger....rub my soft moist hands over her clit and then take her entire clit in my mouth and suck it very gently.....I may slide a finger or two in her pussy and find that spot so she can release her girlie jizz then lick her clit harder and faster.....until I feel her pussy spasms......see that back arch, and hear her screams....YOU WANT TO DO THAT DONT YOU?

Allure: the word "hater" is often misused in our current pop culture by those who fail to string along a logical argument. Further, you had to augment your weak argument by some fantasy story. Good for you, but nonetheless, I for one, am not any more enlightened after reading your drivel

One lady in a few posts back, used a good word: "scrutinize", i.e, above and over screening for LE and general wackos, the Providers must scrutinize their Hobbyists for behavioral pattern that could cost them future business. It is your life, body and health, so be selective about whom you decide to see, and although nothing is 100% fail proof, one can develop a more careful approach to the Hobby. I know that I will be.

For every juicy "freebie" story that you care to portray, there are equally juicy stories out there that involve exchanging of $$$ willingly and gleefully

I don't understand the level of concern about what a provider may or may not have done or currently does.

I could see if you were scouting for a life partner maybe, but to me it appears that you might be focusing on details that, while distasteful to you, have little if any bearing on you and your hobby experience.

You know the phrase "what you don't know won't hurt you?." The way I see it in this case, what you DO know doesn't hurt you either. But, if the idea of some activity a provider engages in discusts you, just forget about it, and move on.

Safe sex is an oxymoron anyway. Doesn't exist (outside of masturbation maybe.) There are only practices (precautions) that may lessen your risks to one degree or another.

If one of your precautions is to try to determine the clientele of a provider, then knock yourself out! Just remember this is P4P, and a lot goes on BDC that you probably don't want to know about. More importantly, you WILL NEVER really know.



HalfHour

Well it matches your unnecessary closemindedness and ignorance. I have no idea the next client I see hasn't cimed  a street hustler with chlamidia before wanting me to be his "GF" for the next hour.

So maybe I should look at every client as a walking petrie dish, the way you look at any lady who has seen a client who partakes in TS's? And who says TS's are disease ridden? Hell I'd say 25% of the people on here BB so in that case they are just as gross as anyone.

Ooops, I guess I wasn't genteel enough so most of this post will lose it's effect to.

Pap...keep dishing it out like YOU see it. If some on here get all bent out of shape...chalk it up to their problem not yours.  I like your style sister!

If you want to go fuck other men, TS, etc., go right ahead, I don't care. I prefer to have sex with women, that's my choice. There is nothing closed minded about it.

Unlike the clueless you, most hobbysts on this board are smart and decent to avoid all of the things you eluded to.

Who is being judgmental? It is you. People who doesn't agree with your views and choices are not judgmental, they are exercising their right to choose as they do.

I really don't care what choices you or anyone make, people who bring up closed mind, and try badger others who don't agree with their views really pisses me so, you can self fuck yourself.

Unlike you, I am not using an alias. If you are going to make an ridiculous post, grow some balls and use your real handle, CHIKEN!

Let me perhaps be the first to let you in on a little secret here on The Wonderful World Of The Erotic Review.

At this point I think you may need to retract your claws and be very studious, do your research, and ask questions before you post...and I mean this with all due respect...you have no clue what you are talking about.

Hobbyist who elect to do so can and do have two handles. Many many men who are members here see TS Ladies and DNA Ladies..they have two handles and can switch back and forth without anyone knowing they are seeing TS Providers or the TS Community knowing they are going back and forth...so you really don't know who is doing who.

I really thought you were seasoned and knew this....I also thought you knew my knowledge of DATY is not a fantasy.....I am really very and extremely bi-sexual. I totally enjoy being with women on and off the clock. If that offends you, I am not sure what you need to do about that bc almost every provider I know is either a lesbian or bi-sexual. Many ladies who do not do doubles are flat out lesbians in their personal lives, yet a whole other population of ladies who do not and would not do doubles for pay are bi-sexual.

You do not know what is going on behind closed doors, you can only assume you know what you think you know. You cannot assume anything........you really shouldn't.....

You can only be responsible for "safer" sex as it pertains to your own health. If the thought of having sex with someone who has had sex with someone who has had sex with a TS really turns you off...or the thought of two women having sex with each other is a turn off....I suggest you take some time to vamp up your knowledge of your partners sexual histories in both your p4p and personal sex life that may be a waste of time bc you are probably not going to get the truth out of very many people.

Allure, again you seem to have selectively missed some points and I feel that I need to make this response very clear to you, so that you do not keep going off in a tangential trajectory.

First of all, yes, I am quite aware of multiple handles that the Hobbyist are allowed to have, precisely because of the dogma that is associated with switching back and forth between the TS community and the regular Provider community. This is simply a business decision on par of TER and even if I do not agree with it, I do understand it to be their business strategy, so the only thing that I can do, is to refrain from being a paid member, should that business strategy really bother me. Well, it does not at this point.

No onto the two ladies and DATY and unpaid sex, off-the-clock drivel, etc. Really, WTH! Where did I give you that impression that I was against that. In my very OP, I clearly had stated that what consenting adults wish to do behind closed doors, is their prerogative. However, if one Provider who is a dominatrix and has the rectal reflexes to defecate (seemingly) at will, and then lets the perverted Hobbyist to lick the anus clean, well then that is just fine and dandy, but why do I have to partake with anyone who may be a part of this whole routine which I do not find either healthy or pleasant?

WTH is this topic turning into the battle of the sexes? If this who defecation and licking of the anus was between two men or a man and TS, you would not perhaps have been so cavalier about it! Eating sh*t is not good for you, specially other's sh*t!

We have no real way of knowing what others are really doing when we are not there. I know of a few ladies  that are willing to BBFS/BBgreek some of there regulars but it is not on their reviews. No I was never their client as they failed my screening because of it. Many clients BB their civie sex partners and do street walkers then see the ladies on TER. Many providers preform BBBJ and DATY which adds to their risks of getting an STD. The list of less safe practices including some fetishes are endless that go on in the hobby and you can't screen them all out as most of these things are not in the reviews. This is not a safe hobby. All you can do is to play safe yourself, only participate in activities that you feel comfortable, and get checked for STD's as those you are with may not always play as safe as you wish they would. How is any of us going to know what someone else is or is not doing with someone else? As for the ladies that swing both ways lesbian sex is actually a bit safer for the lady than sex with a man so she is not adding any new risks than providers that just see men. Now there are some fetishes such as scat that are extra unhealthy as they can lead to all kinds of diseases for the participants but don't add that much to the odds of spreading an STD to the next guy who does not partake. Now it is your money and you can spend it anyway you wish but if you think you have any real idea on what is going on behind closed doors you are wrong. Some ladies are very safe at all times, other are always play safe with clients but not there SO, and others just don't play it safe at all and there is no good way to tell them apart until it is to late. And there is less of a way for the ladies to tell how safe we men play with out them there. The only thing you can do to protect yourself is always play safe, and get checked regularly for STD's. I get screened monthly. Or give up the hobby and only play with a hopefully monogamous So. OR you could just not play at all. And while it is true that some diseases are more common among gay men that does not mean in and of it self that if they play safe that there risks are that much higher especially after a degree of separation or two. As far as these strategies being bad for business what attracts one guy will repels anther and what repels one will attract the other. just spend your money on those that attract you and play safe or don't play. Real simple and quit trying to get the rest of us to agree. Please notice no alias.

Let me make it simple for you, as I have no idea what close mindedness you are babbling on about! Here it goes: Eating feces is not a healthy activity and if any client of your offers to eat your sh*t or if you have friends who partake in that kind of unsanitary activity, you should seriously expand your own mind as to what is accepted sanitary behavior. Then again, if I'm being close minded, then so be it. If your argument is with regards to the TS activities, I am not ignorant to it at all. If I was, I would not even bother thinking twice about it

Brilliant!

No, let me simplify it for you...I have no idea who does what and with whom. So let's say I think everyone out there does or has done something with someone who has (unsanitary that is and I include rimming and anything to do with an ass)...then I would be wearing a full body bag and never touch anyone. I have a list with the things I would not do, pay or not...but the point I am making, is how the heck does anyone  know what their partner at any point in time has done or will do that we find unsanitary (the real unabashed truth)?

You picked on TS's and anyone who has seen them. There are so many men that I wouldn't touch with a freaking pole just reading the reviews. You are ignorant...you are pointing a finger at one section of this community, making them out to be "diseased" or spreaders of disease. That's ignorant as there are plenty of others who do the very same things but I guess because they are not TS or visit Ts, they are suddenly cleaner?

You simply can not call me ignorant, if you willingly or unwillingly, have failed to fully comprehend what I wrote in the second paragraph of the OP, so here it is:

"Now, I have no bias toward one's personal choices and sexual persuasions and preferences, but primarily from a health related POV, I refrain from seeing a Provider who wittingly or unwittingly (which I imagine to be the majority of these type of cases) has had recent encounters with the type of  Hobbyists who frequently visit both sides of the fence."

What part of "recent encounters" and "frequently" as in with frequency is too hard to grasp? Perhaps if I failed anywhere, was to quantify it, so here it goes:

Within the last 3 month for seeing a Hobbyist who frequents TSs and for me personally, if a Hobbyist keeps crossing the fields of female Provider vs TS Provider every other review or 2:1, that is just too much! Happy now?! And yes, there are many Hobbyists who visit TSs with that kind of frequency under their own main TER ID.

Ultimately, it is my $$$ and I chose to spend it in the Hobby with whom I like to spend it with

The judgment and hypocrisy around here about who does what to whom is off the charts sometimes.

And, this idea that one can avoid risk of contracting HIV by never fucking a provider who has ever fucked a man who has ever fucked another man/ TS is absolutely asinine.

HIV is a virus. It does not discriminate on the basis of gender/sexual orientation.

FYI, I've never had to play "pocket pool" by force, and if I did, it was by choice

Your point is well taken on the way that these things can branch out very rapidly and have an effect akin to dominos tumbling. However, why do you have to frame it so that it seems that I was against Homosexuals?! Actually, most TSs do not consider themselves as homosexuals as they believe that they are female by nature, if not by design. Since when has it become "prudish" not being into ass-play? I'm generally not fond of visiting "Greece" or rimming (either as a giver or taker) with my sexual partners. Am I homophobic because of that? Not at all! I have done these in rare occasions with any LTR SO whom I was totally comfortable with and when we decided to get our "freak on" nasty style, but these activities are definitely not the norm with me. As to what norm means to other, to each his own.

Finally to answer your question about interrogating every client for having had sex with TSs? Well,l no! But to have your eyes opened is not necessarily a bad habit

Another obvious oblivious poster. Did I even mention viruses or HIV, for that matter? The topic was turn off and while catching diseases is definitely not a turn on, being turned off is not necessarily limited to that topic

But what you are telling me is, I who am about as vanilla as they come (I'm not even bi-sexual... not even for money), can have my business and reputation destroyed by a hobbyist who refuses to provide me his TER ID, then proceeds to write a review of me. Unfortunately he saw a TS two months ago and now I'm considered 'high-risk' in your view, regardless of my protection protocols. So what I must take from this is; I should continue doing what I do to protect myself and say a prayer I don't see a client whose tastes swing both ways?

I understand the mere knowledge may be enough for you to not feel comfortable seeing that lady; it's entirely your prerogative. If it is going to undermine your enjoyment of the time spent, then it is most reasonable not to waste your money on it.

However, if your concern is truly from a health stand point, then ruling out providers by hobbyists past confessed activities is short sighted. Hobbyists don't write reviews of their civilian activity and I'm willing to wager that most civilian activity is far less scrutinizing in the health arena than are those who partake in the hobby. For that matter, the perfectly straight hobbyist's wife could be fooling around and bring home some nastiness which he then brings to a provider. Again... no record of that in the reviews.

While I get that your point is to not intentionally advertise behavior that could create fear in clients, my point is that fear should be present regardless of behavior. We are at risk of communicable diseases from everyone everywhere. Researching a hobbyists reviews is a moot point in the grand scheme of things. Hepatitis B can live outside the body in a dormant state for months (empirically proven to be months, but suspected to be years), so you could go grocery shopping with a paper cut and contract HBV because the person using it before you was HBV+.

Where we have the advantage is, in this arena, we are all acutely aware of these risks and, one would hope, do everything we reasonably can to protect ourselves. The most effective thing we can do... is educated ourselves.

So here's a few tidbits to that end:

Urine emerges from the body sterile. You won't contract anything from that golden shower.

Feces is a vector for a myriad of potential diseases from typhoid to tapeworms. Highly risky behavior.

The TS population is believed to have a higher than average HIV infection rate, but accurate figures are unavailable due to the social stigmas of transgender individuals and their reluctance to report.

Even if the statistics are correct, let's consider a few realities of the ever stigmatized HIV:

  -The rate of HIV transmission with sexual intercourse is much lower than with other sexually transmitted diseases-approximately 0.3%
  - HIV transmission from female to male is significantly lower than male to female. Less than 1% in this study: http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/266/12/1664
  - tears, sweat and saliva are deemed of little clinical concern due to the extremely low viral count in these fluids. DFK is a low risk activity.
  - HIV transmission from oral sex is rare. Here's an interesting read: http://www.hivandhepatitis.com/recent/2009/011309_e.html (perhaps Mathesar will pop in and translate the statistical elements into English for us)
   - using condoms, is considered safe. Contact of vaginal secretions with intact skin (NOT MUCOSA) surface of the penis is considered safe. Put that hat on boys, it's what keeps your mucosal surfaces safe.
   - the HIV virus is extremely fragile and cannot survive outside the human host for more than a few minutes. So you won't catch it from the toilet seat that TS used ten minutes ago.
   - studies have shown a trending in decreased transmission rate with increased age. So there's a reason getting old isn't such a bad thing.


Bottom line: drink all the yellow you wish, don't eat shit it's not good for you and always wear a hat... it reduces your risk of disease contraction immensely.

ML: Thank you for a well thought, well mannered and might I say, a very lucid counter argument. Even though, we may not agree on everything on this topic, this particular post was a joy to read, plus very informative to boot. Well done

I HAVE TO REALLY AGREE WITH THAT ....IT'S JUST NOT MY CUP OF TEA

A direct quote from you:

“I have no bias toward one's personal choices and sexual persuasions and preferences, but primarily from a ***health relatedPOV***, I refrain from seeing a Provider who wittingly or unwittingly (which I imagine to be the majority of these type of cases) has had recent encounters with the type of  Hobbyists who frequently visit both sides of the fence”

oh, here’s another:

“What part of "recent encounters" and "frequently" as in with frequency is too hard to grasp? Perhaps if I failed anywhere, was to quantify it, so here it goes: Within the last 3 month for seeing a Hobbyist who frequents TSs and for me personally, if a Hobbyist keeps crossing the fields of female Provider vs TS Provider ………”

So, why not explain to all of us obviously oblivious  posters what your “HEALTH RELATED” concerns are that are specific to TS? Or any provider who sees a hobbiest who has seen a TS? Or “the types of hobbyist who frequently visit both sides of the fence"?

Oh, lets see: Do you agree or disagree that rectal sex is more risky than vaginal sex? The question is really not about which group of people is more promiscuous than other, or practices less safe sexual methods, but the question is what is more sexually risky to insert your penis into; the rectum or the vagina. Plus, even if the TS Providers offer CBJ, most of the Hobbyists who see TSs, perform BBBJ on their TS partner, much like almost all Hobbyists perform bare DATY on the female providers, if DATY is what they desire to do. Therefore, before you try to nit pick, know that facts: Microbes and viruses thrive much more successfully in the rectum's environment as opposed to in the vagina's. Hope that this helps.

Look, there is basically the same diseases that you need to worry about whether your dealing with a heterosexual, homosexual, feces eater, whatever.  HIV and Hepatitis.  If you think rimming is too scary, don't do it.  It is very difficult (not impossible) to catch these diseases from kissing, or oral sex.  If you use a reliable cover, you're more likely to catch herpes while kissing than any other disease out there.  And if you think your safe by simply seeing a girl that you know doesn't see guys who've seen guys, then your fooling yourself.

Ms. Saturday was my brunch date. Super-smart and one hot woman.

And though I wasn't expecting it, her being a civie and all, she was extremely insistent on having sex. I made every reasonable argument against it that I could, but she kept countering and then raising the stakes until I finally relented.

Oh yes, there was some hot civie action then.

There's just something about a civie girl who takes you to her bed because she digs you and not because she needs or wants money.

Yes, it does answer my question. Just like anything else, there is a learning curve and admittedly, I have not been a hobbyist for that long (almost a year) However, you can not deny the fact that if one's willing to study the art of hobbying and is also a fast learning student, then the awareness that sets in is a good thing. There are plenty of Providers out there who neither run their business like a mill nor they merely stress all their screening effort on weeding out LE. Many providers do have another life and are not "lifers" in the Hobby. An elevated and heightened sense of awareness of a astute Hobbyist, enhances the chances of separating the gems from the pieces of coal, therefore making the Hobby experience safer and more pleasurable.

Red face for attention only.

For those few new participants here, I've gone on record repeatedly as someone that loves a good train wreck.  In spite of that, consider yourself cut off.  You've made your point.  It's one that you're certainly entitled to whether others agree or not.  I don't have an issue with what you're saying, but you're simply repeating it over and over.

So, let me keep it simple.  Nobody is going to force you to fuck anyone that you don't want to.  Feel free to not reply, because no more of your posts on this topic will be approved.

It all grosses him out.
Thats ok, we don't all like the same things, nor should we. This is why all the great variety works in this business, lots of choices, right.
Most women here test on a regular basis so they are in that aspect safer than a civie you'd pick up in a bar who at 35yrs old has NEVER tested. I never got tested in my whole life until I got into this business.
Many of the clients here, do NOT test no matter what they tell you, they figure they play once in a while so they don't think its needed. If I thought about this, I wouldn't see anyone the thought that any one of the guys I see could be a desease factory...uggghhh I just can't think about it.
I test regularly and count my blessing that each month my tests are clean.

I think this *hobby* may not be for you.You are or seem to be obsssing over who WE migh see may have seen what we might do may have already done and so on.
Honestly its none of your damn business what I do OUTSIDE that 60 minutes or so time span that we spend togther. Just as its none of my business who you have been playing with. May want to rethink playin here. There is no such thing as a fool proof 100% safe sex, other than masterbation.

END OF MESSAGE

People make choices and they have right to. Whether someone taps their household funds or not is none of your business or mine. Pontificating others behavior and how you think they should behave is judgmental.

I have been hobbying for over 10 years. I have not done anything you describe and don't even know where to find a street walker, TS or Homosexual. I am not interested never will be in this lifetime so, as far as I am concerned, you are completely wrong. The providers I meet are very safe and  are self assured.

I have certain criteria I go by and never deviate and always use my big head to work things out. I do rely on my brain and make conscious choices and others I have met during M&G does the same and have known them for years. May be it is the maturity level.

I get what you're saying...you are basically saying that TS's and those who heavily frequent Ts's are more likely to be filthy and diseased. I am saying that there are plenty of solidly hetero men on here that indulge in the same activity...including shit eating and ass licking and you name it. I have issue with your gross assumption that TS and anyone touching them is more likely to be a filthy pig and riddled with disease.

You are right...your money spend it how ever you wish and if that turns you off, I get it. The ignorance comes from you thinking that these people are any worse than anyone else on here. It would be tantamount to me saying that I won't see any hobbyists that allows BBBJ because they are carriers of filth because they have allowed umpteen women who have touched lord knows what etc etc. Your public service warning has pretty much fallen on deaf ears and if you read the majority of the replies, they are not supporting your bia...not because anyone feels you have no choice in who you choose to play with, but how you have labeled  a portion of the community.

You and everyone else who thinks TS are more likely to be diseased are kidding yourselves into a false sense of security about the rest of us. In reality we are all as diseased as one another...or not. We all play in the same pool and do so with those who push limits of health and safety, but do we really know what faction is worse than any other? And do we know for absolute sure who the crosses those health and safety boundaries?

Are you that homophobic that you feel they are more disease ridden than the rest of us? If so...I get it. It's your homophobia that is the issue, not unsafe sex, becasue if it were unsafe sexual practices, you had better leave this hobby and go find something else that is much safer, but realy it's not that becasue if you knew how many hetero people(providers/hobbyists) are into ass and licking and fingering without gloves and any protection, you'd run for the hills. But it really isn't that is it?

And no full blooded hetero male hobbyist ever ventures near an ass and insert their penis, nor lick a providers ass nor insert digits into a providers ass....face it...it's your homo bias that is what's driving this, NOT a fear of disease. Be freaking honest.  We don't really care. You are coming off sounding so naive and quite frankly, uninformed.

And a HUGE portion of ladies perform BBBJ on their clients all the time...so are they more diseased and to be avoided...or is it back to guy on guy sex that realy has you grossed out? Because as I have said and just about everyone else...we all swim in the same pool.

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There is no such thing as safe sex just safer sex. I agree that the OP may just be a bit homophobic. We all swim in the same pool even our civie dates. If this bothers him he should quit the hobby. And maybe join the Catholic priesthood and give up sex. This is not a safe hobby, and all we can do is play safe and test often or quit playing.

..on a tangent.  although, some are offended by his personal beliefs, they are in fact just that and in know way is he trying to force his belief on us.  it merely is, 'different strokes for different folks.' (pun intended).

As to this original topic..  i, personally, am not turned on by watching two men get it on, but it doesn't offend me -- just doesn't turn me on.  i also am not turned on by a client who laps at my clit like a dog (which i personally do not care for in this business due to sanity reasons), or for that matter, a man asking me, if i want his 'cock' (which makes me feel like i'm in a 70's porn video).  That word creeps me out by the way.  i have a million and one things that i don't care for or may turn me off, but sometimes, as a provider, we compromise.  it's up to that person what they are willing to compromise with, but just know that when you're not looking, my eyes might roll around in my head when you do something out of MY norm.

now, bad for business -- from a providers standpoint, you might not want to walk into my incall reaking of sweat, exhaust fumes and dirt if you wish to continue seeing me..  which goes back to my PSA posted several years ago.  

"Gentlemen..  please understand that we, as providers, can only hold our breath but for so long.  Bathing before appointments will make yours and our experience much more enjoyable.  Thank you."

Erin (the new girl)