and you said that you would bet me $10 that it was that BSC provider that we now refer to as "T"? It wasn't "T" because she was sweet as pie to me in PM's. "T" wouldn't have swallowed her pride to be nice to me.
A provider on the newbie board had asked about putting a "gift" selection on her website. As expected the consensus is yes, put a list on your site. While I know it is common for most providers to list their "gift" preferences on their website, it surprises me why so many hobbyists "gift" a provider above and beyond the envelope.
Providers. Why don't you "gift" us for a change?
I accept the following gift cards.....
Bass Pro Shop, Home Depot, and Guffey's Mens Wear.
Stop giving me extra time as a "gift"! Can't you tell that I am trying to get out?
from providers:
Jackets, sweaters, a watch, artwork, and even a very nice leather clutch that I use for hobbying.
I like to give jewelry. They love to wear it and I love to look at them wearing it - I think I get the better part of the deal, to tell you the truth.
If giving gifts is not your thing, never feel compelled to give one. It wouldn't be a gift then.
You do know they get thrown away in the nearest cylindrical filing cabinet in the lobby, right? I wouldn't even accept a $10 gift. Would you?
A gift never hurts.
Irrespective of the fact that you are paying for a service to be rendered, these are real people - who deserve to be treated with respect - that you are spending time with.
A gift is always a nice touch.
You can respect them without treating them like a long lost girlfriend.
Showing up on time, paying then their fee, being washed and dressed appropriately, being friendly, etc that isnt enough anymore?
I have to hand it to these hookers. This generation of Johns is well trained and know all the talking points. I wonder if he bows to her majesty upon entrance to? Probably one of the ones that asks for permission to pee as well.
I have a new idea for a reality show. I'll call it "American Mangina." But where would I possibly find enough space to hold the casting call? No place large enough. Nevermind...
How can a hooker not be thrilled to get an inquiry from YOU. It'll raise her otherwise mediocre scores a bit.
Is the requirement for a 10 that she is breathing?
How does a hooker NOT earn a 10 from you? She eats the entire box of chocolates without offering you at least one piece?
I guess some will take you seriously...but it's tough to fathom.
Be a sport...make the next gift a gift certificate to a local gym for her. She won't use it..but at least you can try and help.
Irrespective of the fact that you are paying for a service to be rendered, these are real people - who deserve to be treated with respect - that you are spending time with.
A gift is always a nice touch.
It's just a massive amount of insecurity really. It's also very sad and pathetic that grown men feel the need to partake in such nonsense. I guess the $300 or more isn't enough to show them worthy of the hooker's affections.
It's the adult version of leaving a shiny red apple on teachers desk. But I was told its all part of the "GFE illusion" on the NB, as justification. My word would be "delusion."
But those 50 dollar box of chocolates do act as a very good liner to a hotel room trash can, so the gals tell me. But with the hookers it's the thought, er, the money that counts.
and I shouldn't really be surprised. It is funny that you mentioned disposable gifts. A few providers over the years have told me that some of these idiots even bring them flowers. So they bring attention to themselves by bringing flowers, then expect a provider to leave the hotel with them to draw in more attention.
Too many providers are fat or chunky so I don't think too much of the chocolate is being trashed. More like stuffed into separate travel bag.
Buy me a Bentley or a $2000 gaudy purse requests. What a fucking joke that is. I would agree with Panthera that the last thing most providers need is more calories and flowers for hookers just looks pathetic. These nervous looking guys in hallways and hotel lobbies with flowers and sweat on their brows are a riot. Why not wear a bumper sticker on your ass that reads "I'm here to see a hooker and I'm nervous as Hell".
Who said anything about hate? Sometimes you sound like you are 14 years old.
You've shown here on the boards that you're most likely not a gentleman. But I am certain you feel like a real he-man. You go, sweetheart!
If only you were younger and in shape I would show you in person 
on real prize-winners like you!! Sucks for me. :P
That's such bullshit. Let's see, who is more "compassionate," shall we? A guy who sees me ONE time ($600) and gives me a pair of shoes, or a guy who sees me FOUR times ($2400) and never gives me some materialistic gift that does nothing to help pay off my mortgage. Easy answer for me. Some wonder why they are still renting and over 40.
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OUCH! That's hooker math that I can understand.
someone who books 2 X $10K weekends each year for 5 years in a row, and brings you a Dior bag, Manolos, or some other extravagant gift each time he visits you? And the weekends are usually in some fab city like Paris, London, or San Francisco, and during them you dine at the finest restaurants, have at least one couples' spa treatment, and see a great show? Plus silly little souvenirs? That's pretty generous and compassionate. And it was more than one fellow.
But just as compassionate is a gent who brings me a book very particular to what I like to read about- thought has gone into something like that, and I treasure all such gifts. Even a sweet smelling set of candles and a gift card are wonderful gifts. Or a bottle of wine we share. It really is the thought that counts. It's the concept that someone would care to go to such trouble for me. I often go above and beyond for my gents, why shouldn't they do it for me if so moved? Believe me, those gents will always stand out.
Men who give me gifts would not see me any more times if they didn't bring me gifts. As a matter of fact, it's quite the opposite. The gents who don't bring gifts are the least likely to book often. The men who bring me gifts are the ones I have seen multiple times. Not in every case, but certainly in a majority of cases. So much so that I do feature a wishlist on my site if you look for it because I was advised to do so by a couple of gents.
I also gift my gents, especially the ones I see quite often. We get to know each other and get to know what each of us likes. Back in the day I have spent a considerable amount on gifts for my gents, from designer shirts to bejeweled cufflinks. You can bet that my gents who gift me get very nice gifts in return.
It's called a relationship. You have them with your bank teller, your postman and your gardener. I give gifts to my gardener and postman at Christmas. (I don't usually gift my ATM. Lol!!)
While I was UTR, I was very accustomed to getting gifts. I had no idea that attitudes I am seeing on this thread existed! It's fine if you don't want to give or receive gifts, but what's with the attitude towards those who do? And the insults?? It's perplexing.
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24/7/365. How in the world do you find the time?
It seems like just yesterday that you were begging for reviews. I suppose that time flies when you go from indigent to wealthy in less then 1 year lol.
Nah. The reviews are necessary when you're online I have discovered, so I certainly encourage them. The extravagant trips were back in the day when I actually had the freedom and time to do weekend engagements. I no longer have that freedom or time, or I would definitely be there and not here. The situation in which I find myself now allows me to still have a foot in this world and gain a different perspective than I had before. And it's certainly been an eye-opener.
Indigent? Wow. That's a mighty big word for you. Keep up the good work.
It seems like just yesterday that you were begging for reviews. I suppose that time flies when you go from indigent to wealthy in less then 1 year lol.
Whoa, not sure if your post is directed at me, but I insulted no one. I said it was bullshit to say that just because a guy does not bring a gift to every provider he sees, makes him less of a gentleman. I am not here looking for a boyfriend, and I find taking lavish gifts from many married men to be in bad taste. Some of my biggest spenders have never given me a gift, and I have seen them for YEARS. Yes, ONE guy who I met ONE time bought me an SUV, but other than that I don't look at guys who pay me to give me gifts on top of it. I am not their wife or gf. Small gifts such as wine, candles, gift cards, sure...but expensive jewels? Ha...no thanks. I would be appalled to explain where I got that from.
If I have to choose between the cash or a gift that does not translate to net worth, I will always take the cash. It is why I was able to have a mortgage in my mid 20s, vs. in my late 40s. That's not an insult, it's reality. I did not get to go to college debt free, because at 18-22 being a hooker would have never crossed my mind. When I entered grad school, I was in my LATE 20s, and I still did not make enough money in this business to finance that, pay a mortgage, and raise a child. I would have had to fk 10 guys a week for 5 straight years, and I chose not to do that.
I don't care if a woman likes gifts or not, but to say a guy who does not choose to do that is not a gentleman is absurd. He might just be a realist who is not looking to pamper some hooker he paid by the damn hour. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Who would not want the scenarios you described in your first paragraph? I certainly would, but we are not talking about those types of men on TER for the most part lol. Since you are now an online hooker, your market has drastically changed, but I can tell you...this is not all there is. I don't expect the same things from my escort clients as I do with a sugar daddy...they are not nearly on the same playing field. I would never invite an escort client to a family or business event, yet I have done that with a SD in the past.
You are talking about two different things...an escort client who sees you for sex by the hour no less, and a sugar daddy who you actually have a relationship with. Of course, the two are going to vary greatly in what is given and expected. We were talking more about your typical monger, not a guy who seeks out a "mistress" or "sugar baby" which is what you described in your first paragraph.
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No, you didn't insult anyone. Panty's done plenty of that- the insult comment was directed at him. But you are pretty scathing of the concept of gifts. I can see your points, for sure. But I don't see any reason to be so intolerant of the concept if others don't have your same issues.
I think you're right that most of the loudest male posters here wouldn't deign to gift a provider. She's just a hole to fill for them, as you put so well on another board. I am fast discovering that the GD board is perhaps not the best use of my time on TER, although I have met some lovely friends here.
What you call sugar daddies I call clients. They may have been wealthier than my current clients, but they were no more respectful and caring than the lovely gents I see today, most of whom gift me very nicely, yes- even on top if the fee they pay me. I certainly don't expect it, but I would be lying if I said I didn't enjoy every last gift I have received. It really is the thought even more than the gift. I am not a callous hooker who will smile as I take someone's gift only to snicker as i throw it in the garbage after he's gone. I have a lot of respect for my clients, as they have for me. I can no more fathom giving one second of my time to someone who clearly has such condescension for women as Pants does than I could jump off a bridge. If that's who you respect and have the most time for, then you're a better person than I. But I refuse to reward cretinous imbeciles with my time and effort.
If I have to choose between the cash or a gift that does not translate to net worth, I will always take the cash. It is why I was able to have a mortgage in my mid 20s, vs. in my late 40s. That's not an insult, it's reality. I did not get to go to college debt free, because at 18-22 being a hooker would have never crossed my mind. When I entered grad school, I was in my LATE 20s, and I still did not make enough money in this business to finance that, pay a mortgage, and raise a child. I would have had to fk 10 guys a week for 5 straight years, and I chose not to do that.
I don't care if a woman likes gifts or not, but to say a guy who does not choose to do that is not a gentleman is absurd. He might just be a realist who is not looking to pamper some hooker he paid by the damn hour. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Who would not want the scenarios you described in your first paragraph? I certainly would, but we are not talking about those types of men on TER for the most part lol. Since you are now an online hooker, your market has drastically changed, but I can tell you...this is not all there is. I don't expect the same things from my escort clients as I do with a sugar daddy...they are not nearly on the same playing field. I would never invite an escort client to a family or business event, yet I have done that with a SD in the past.
You are talking about two different things...an escort client who sees you for sex by the hour no less, and a sugar daddy who you actually have a relationship with. Of course, the two are going to vary greatly in what is given and expected. We were talking more about your typical monger, not a guy who seeks out a "mistress" or "sugar baby" which is what you described in your first paragraph.
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I took up for Panthera in one context, and you in another. Both of you had valid points besides the insults. I don't consider a guy who pays my bills and does not give me some gift, to be any less of a gentleman...that is absurd. My website does not say "2 hours-$600 plus gift" for me to consider a guy a good client. Some of my favorites have never given me a gift, and I adore them without any of that.
Yes, I view things (especially this business) a lot differently than you do, and I am never going to change my views. You are free to feel ok about what you do, and taking gifts, and what I think or say should have no bearing on that.
I've had guys send me gift cards, whom I have never met just because of my board posts, and giving them sage advice on my own time, without ever expecting anything in return. You should just ignore ignorant comments, like most other women do. Not everyone can fly off the handle like I can, and it not affect their image lol.
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My comment about Pants not being a gentleman had nothing to do with his desire to gift or not. It had to do with the fact that he is not a gentleman, period.
The way each if us feels about gifts is not an issue for me at all. I respect how everyone feels about giving or getting them- yes- even Pants. What I don't respect is insults either way, or putting someone down because if their choices. And that's why Pants is by no stretch of the imagination a gentleman.
I am in the minority of providers who find a wish list a bit tacky, but that's only for my business model. Who is going to believe I am the cold hearted, ballsy bitch my posts portray if I ask for a damn car on my website lol.
You did tell me you loved a convertible...right?
LOL, I did have a client buy me an SUV, but it sure as fk was not on my wish list. He was just a show off who was known for gifting hookers lavish shit, and since he posted in publicly, his pride would not let him back out. I don't even think the dude liked me all that much bwahahahaa.
Isn't this the last you saw of it? 
It is time for an upgrade though. Know anyone at Mercedes?
You can kill two birds that way...get that 10/10 and he'll buy you that Mercedes (make sure it's not stolen).
She has an SUV and not a pickup.
She is to citified, only a luxury SUV will do.
MM
That's not too tacky to ask is it?
You know it! In the south, that's a great gift lol.
for that bet from last week, or was it $100?
She still owes ME $100 from nearly a year ago
Panthera, what bet was that exactly?
and you said that you would bet me $10 that it was that BSC provider that we now refer to as "T"? It wasn't "T" because she was sweet as pie to me in PM's. "T" wouldn't have swallowed her pride to be nice to me.
I could not resist that.
And perfect storm was trying to claim the prize...but I was actually the first to know his new alias.
It was last summer...remember?
I was first!
And DC put out a cease and desist order on you trying to collect anyway!
Maybe this will refresh LR's memory?
And DC put out a cease and desist order on you trying to collect anyway!
Is because they think it will make the provider fall in love with them.
I always laugh when I see some girl's gift list, full of $500 shoes and such...hardly ever anything practical.
I mean why? You charge $$$$ per your and also hope we throw in an emerald braclet for good measure huh?
For what exactly? These are things men should do for a girlfriend or girl who you are trying to court and impress, not someone you are paying to fuck!!! You know you are getting laid from a provider after you hand her the fee...so why in the world is it necessary to throw in all the other extravagance?
Brilliant idea by the OP. Hey ladies, why don't you give us some gifts eh?
I enjoy a nice Rolex.
Providers. Why don't you "gift" us for a change?
I accept the following gift cards.....
Bass Pro Shop, Home Depot, and Guffey's Mens Wear.
Stop giving me extra time as a "gift"! Can't you tell that I am trying to get out?
Ok, follow the logic with these fucking weenies. They want it to be a "Girl Friend Experience." Ok. But how many times in your life have you bought a GF a present for a woman YOU HAVENT EVEN MET YET? Think about the absurdity.
You know NOTHING about her, you cant even know what she likes/doesnt like so she has to broadcast her selfish wishlist to the entire cyber world. Probably the same ignorant fucks that go empty handed to grandma's house or bought mom a $4.99 Hallmark card and a 10 buck road side Tulip this weekend and called it a day.
But the hooker? She gets Gooooooooooooooodivaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa's. And Roses. And $40 candles. Wipty fuckin' do.
And suggest that GrandMa (or Mom) isn't blowing and fucking little Johnnie Boy. Of course this doesn't apply to those in Kentucky!
You know NOTHING about her, you cant even know what she likes/doesnt like so she has to broadcast her selfish wishlist to the entire cyber world. Probably the same ignorant fucks that go empty handed to grandma's house or bought mom a $4.99 Hallmark card and a 10 buck road side Tulip this weekend and called it a day.
But the hooker? She gets Gooooooooooooooodivaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa's. And Roses. And $40 candles. Wipty fuckin' do.
Small gifts, nicely wrapped with a quality card are usually well received if you have gone out of you way to find a clever gift that she won't throw away. The card needs to be hand written and sincere! Human kindness reaps human kindness!
Helping a stranger fix a tire...yep, random.
Helping an old lady cross the street..you betcha, random
Setting up a session with a hooker who is expecting to be paid to fuck you...far from random.
If you need to give a hooker a hand written card, I sure hope it isn't a note from your Mommy giving you permission to fuck a hooker.
LOL, a "random" act of kindness would be sending her a paypal with her donation and NOT fkin her.
With a note....hand written of course .jpg)
No flowers or candy though.
I was partial to books, and things like that.
It sure as hell wasn't to get someone I don't know to fall in love with me.
That's just stupid..
I did it because I thought a conversation peice would help me break ice.
For the most part. It works.
I don't do it anymore, but I don't see the big deal.
What the fuck do you care what another guy does?
There are much weirder things than giving a girl a gift just to be nice.
I notice you trying really hard to make yourself look cool latley.
How's that working out for you?
Maybe a few fancy suits will really take it home.
Make sure they take in the crotch though. Just sayin
WTF are you talking about? Trying to look cool? Why would need to do that on a fuck board with a bunch hookers and johns?
As far as my crotch is concerned, you shouldn't be fixated on that.
You were giving books to providers? You know that shit went right into the trash right after they were done throwing up.
To be honest. I really don't care what they did with them.
Or if they thought it was pathetic blah blah blah.
It really wasn't for them. It was for me. To make me comfortable.
It really isn't that complicated.
Oh. Oops. Was I supposed to say how I'm a big tough hobbyist that was never nervous?
Well it's not the truth. If a book, or trinket helped me get my dick hard then that's okay in my book.
Trying to look cool on a fuck board? No. No one does that.
I love how everyone uses the fuck board excuse.
Good thing I already have a set of waders because the bullshit is getting deep
I don't know if I am talking about balls or flowers. You are the first person that I ever heard of who gets hard because he buys trinkets for hookers.
My daddy always told me to step around the bullshit, not to walk through it.
It isn't the giving per say.
Just a way to break the ice.
Like having a drink.
So some people might bring a bottle of wine, have a glass, and talk about whatever.
I don't like the idea of drinking before fucking. Ill get drunk, and fuck it up.
So I thought of bringing a book, or something like that.
This way if things became awkward in-between pops, or whatever. There was an icebreaker.
Something to help "chemistry". I see that word used alot. It's a little strong, but I think you catch my drift.
How do I explain this..
I wasn't always able to walk into a strange place, and just start fucking the girl there.
That was a skill I had to acquire. I also call it being human.
You see.. You asked why a guy would gift extra, and I'm telling you why I did it.
It's true. I was new, and kinda naive. But I did what worked for me.
Those experiences helped me break a shell. A shy shell.
Now I'll pretty much do anything. It's pretty fucked up actually.
I find it very hard to believe I am the only person on this board who was shy at first.
I just have the balls to say it.
Real balls. Not fuck board balls wrapped in a silk suit.
BTW. Your daddy called. He said to give the car, and suit back by Friday
Asking Panty to understand anything beyond his very small and narrow world view is like asking a fish to understand the moon. I'm going to try to have more patience with him as a result of this. He deserves my sympathy more than my ire, right? Poor ignorant devil. He probably is 12.
aha, Sarah, we should definitely have a book discussion! I love getting new recommendations for what to read.
Regarding pity vs. ire, you're certainly right, which is why I really try to stay off of the message boards outside my home board, where the gentlemen have some sense. When I start dealing with these fellas who can't read, make ridiculous claims, and then project their pettiness/frustration/insecurity onto us ladies, well, sometimes my temper gets the best of me. Especially when they start talking about what we'll do when they "hire" us...when will they get that the selection process goes the other way around? Haha. BTW- always nice when we ladies stick together against the vocal minority of idiots on here
Would love to share reading lists.
Maybe I should visit your home board- 'cause the cretins who post here have somehow found their ways to my home board. Lol!!
to call me names (several of them) and you want to say that I am not a gentleman because I don't give gifts to hookers.
Lets talk about being a lady, something that has obviously escaped you. You need to take a look at yourself. Go ahead the mirror probably won't crack.
You are still upset because I called you fat. No one has called me a liar, lol. Not even you.
Now that's a fetish I haven't heard of. Do you make her read it in front of you as you jerk off into the pages?
Or if they thought it was pathetic blah blah blah.
It really wasn't for them. It was for me. To make me comfortable.
It really isn't that complicated.
Oh. Oops. Was I supposed to say how I'm a big tough hobbyist that was never nervous?
Well it's not the truth. If a book, or trinket helped me get my dick hard then that's okay in my book.
Trying to look cool on a fuck board? No. No one does that.
I love how everyone uses the fuck board excuse.
Good thing I already have a set of waders because the bullshit is getting deep.
I looked through this old ass book of early erotica with a girl in between pops.
We checked out the old style poses they used back then. She tried to copy a few.. It was fun!
I found this book on ebay for 30 bucks.
Still probably one of the best ways I spent time in between pops.
So in a way yes. That really got my dick hard.
It was a very old book. So no I didn't cum on it.
If it were a paperback.. Maybe.
ooks definitely make me horny
We checked out the old style poses they used back then. She tried to copy a few.. It was fun!
I found this book on ebay for 30 bucks.
Still probably one of the best ways I spent time in between pops.
So in a way yes. That really got my dick hard.
It was a very old book. So no I didn't cum on it.
If it were a paperback.. Maybe.
As far as my crotch is concerned, you shouldn't be fixated on that.
You were giving books to providers? You know that shit went right into the trash right after they were done throwing up.
/sarcasm.
Seriously- I've yet to meet a client (and few civilians) who has read as widely and voraciously as myself. Then again, I refuse to see anyone with enough time on their hands/so little respect or discretion that they can sit around trolling on hooker boards all day.
I'm assuming you just don't have the funds (or the class) to see any of the many ladies in this industry who are educated, intelligent, and have more savoir faire than you could ever acquire.
race to the bottom- who can be the meanest and nastiest, who can hurl the most insults, who can exhibit the most ignorant behavior. It's a good thing we can't see them- scratching their balls and burping. Or picking their zits in their mama's basement.
Sigh.
However, Grace, maybe we'll have to compare notes on whose more voracious a reader! lol!! 
A much nicer competition.
Yep, but if we call you...you will still say yes and fuck us and take our money. So you are already at the bottom and we are just racing to get to you.
You can argue and debate here without resorting to such personal attacks, and that goes for you too, Panthera! Mocking one's physical appearance and age, does nothing for either party. We all know how old we are, and we do have a mirror. Having our attributes or lack thereof, pointed out is not exactly a revelation. Be nice bitches!
The difference between buys and sellers. Those with the money feel they can insult. I wonder what these two look like? Unsolicited advice is most always a thinly veiled insult. In this case, there is no subtlety, just done to insult.
Model not included LOL
Fucking isn't much of an option
You look young and in shape and very reasonable in the donation dept
Just remember something Grace. Most of us don't hire you for your reading skills. I could care less how intelligent a provider professes to be. In fact, I have found that those who boast the most are the most insecure of all and lack self esteem.
Keep it simple. I want you to suck my dick, spread your legs, get on your knees and do what I pay you to do. I am not interested in the books that you read, your alleged education, or your pedigree.
You do your job, I get my rocks off, you get paid and we are both happy. Simple enough, right?
Someone like Grace won't see "most" of you. She's probably pretty selective. Sorry Panty!
You can't speak for her and you have absolutely no idea how she screens or how many references and okay's that I have. You are merely taking a pot shot.
You are just upset because I told you I would not see you because you are too fat and too old for me.
Selective. That's funny.
An alias. You poor dear. Whatever you say sweetheart.
I am just grateful that my age and figure protect me from unfortunate fellows such as yourself. But I do wish you well in life.
I am going to put you on ignore now. I think my visits to TER will be a lot more pleasant without being reminded that there are men like you about.
You will never win the war of words (or wits) with me. You just work yourself into a state of frustration and confusion and that troubles me
Sure is witty and you used two three letter words.
Loser has to buy the coffee
OTC of course!
That rapier wit and those three letter word zingers, all I can say is WOW.
Seems like a slam dunk to me
and judge for yourself. Would it have been better if I would have said she is "pleasingly plump"? The pleasingly part would be a lie. I don't fuck fat girls.
is that I don't unleash my true personality on them. It's a gift they don't know they received, but a gift none the less.
to women you can't afford, might make them think you're a little NUTTY. Just sayin....
Judge me off of what I post on a GD board on TER? LMAO. I think everyone that posts here is a little nutty. If peeps can't understand that 90% of what is posted here is just as you so eloquently put "shit". Then quite frankly they shouldn't be here. I don't care what is said. If I met any person on this board in person I would treat them with respect until they gave me a reason not to. Until then................
Not to mention the amount of back channeling that goes on to support the faux "I hate you" posts
But thank God that there are enough still here that don't realize how much of this drivel is just that...drivel!!
After all you guys do come for the visit, us women are mainly in it for the money, and perks that come along with this lifestyle. So it makes sense for us to put that stuff up there, as many guys love to give gifts to providers who they want to see again, or appreciate, or connect with.
Not to mention picking lingerie off a wish list and then seeing the provider in it has been quite a turn on for some guys I know who have done that! Its a turn on for the provider too!!