I had a nice reunion today with a long time ATF..  
She is perplexed.. she has no way to screen guys now... she let her P411 go....she can't get back on...no TER...  si now she has no way to screen a new guy.. probably why she got in touch with me.. so what are other ways? I told her Switter... but she said... so what!  She can't screen anyone..i told her to ask for references.. and ask them. She thought that was a lotta work.

Asking for references is too much work?

I'm sitting here thinking... Umkay, references are "too much work"  and she won't get a VPN for TER. And I'm under the impression that the changes on P411 won't go into effect until January as far as new members go, but on that one I'm not 100% sure.

The biggest issue with asking for references...
Unless she's asking a girl that she personally knows, there's no way to know that the reference is legit. You can't look up referenced provider on TER or P411, so who's to say the reference is legit? On the bright side....p411 will start taking new providers and clients again....in the near future, so when the doors open again, she may want to re up on that membership. The more ladies who stay or join, will certainly provide incentive for swinging dicks to hold on to their memberships. All conjecture at this point.  Only time will tell if things will get better... or worse.

P411 will become more valuable in January. I'm looking forward to the new changes. Although the removal of the booking and message feature kind of sucks. We'll see what happens.

It will be valuable....if there's a mass enlistment of providers. However....you still have to be savvy enough to find ads for ladies in your area. And hope the lady of your choosing has a profile on p411. The other thing is... now ladies will have expenses for both an advertising avenue, and a P411 for screening purposes. Extra overhead usually means price increases. For me... that would mean having to visit less frequently to absorb the increase. I refuse to drop to a lower tier provider.

Nothing is too much work to keep us safe..and any work worth
Sorry I do not want be rude  
 and my apologizes if iam .....
but not many people make 300 ..400 ...500.. an hour
so send an e mail to other provider to ask references
is  not much work...smiling
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The ladies I know have so many ways to screen, but they aren't going to break their silence publicly.  

I'm looking forward to the possible mass enlistment. We'll see what happens. Would be nice if ter makes some positive changes as well.

My screening process is reliable even with boards closing/verification sites no longer accepting new customers.  Any lady who has been in this online P4P world for more than a few months should know where to look to find more info on how to screen clients.  It's easily obtained.  At the least, she could ask other reliable ladies she knows.  Stay safe out there!

So when a gentleman gives me a lady to contact it's really not rocket science here.

of the ladies don't need to "play" dumb.   I'm embarrassed that I have to remind you that I'm NOT a schmuck, I'm an asshole.  Lol

so it seems she's no newbie.  I'm happy to help ladies when I can. They also have to be willing to do the basics thou.

I wasn't including the assholes or arseholes. I was only including the schmucks.
Sheesh, you are such a self centered asshole!  

It's not ok for you "client schmucks" to opine about screening, but it IS ok for us "client assholes"(or arseholes) to do so.

Far from a newbie...pretty well known... now working in a strip club...she has to change how she has been doing business for tbe last 3 years

She sounds just like your type, not the sharpest light bulb in the tool shed. lol

I was just saying ( in a long winded manner) that verification is harder. I certainly didn't tend to imply that verification is no longer possible. There have always been those who try to scam their way in, but current circumstances probably provide greater incentives for their antics.

most part, unless the lady has a solid social media, professional website, p411, I can verify her easy I don't take references anymore. I do my own screening for my safety, there's lots of things to put together and then look the whole picture.

You're a very smart lady.

In any business, the first sale to a new customer is usually the most time-consuming, and that is true for sex workers as well, because of the screening being part of the first transaction.  But if the service is good, you can expect that new customer to come back again and again at relatively short intervals.  When you amortize the time and cost of screening over the life of the customer relationship, it is often a pittance compared to the cash flow generated.  

Is she going to try and get new clients by making herself available for takeout with guys she sees in the club?  I can't think she's going to have much luck finding new clients other ways because she's not willing to accept references.

...but she said that was "too much work".
I mean if her sending an email to double-check if a guy is okay then whatever add'l alternative methods anyone else might be able to show her will def make her go 'fuck that noise'.  
Jeez.

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She went UTR.. saud that when BP closed all the guys there went to other platforms and she was overwhelmed with rude texts... well over 100 a day.. so she trashed that.. dropped out of P411 and withdrew for awhile..  
I have told her that screening via contact with other providers works... her only issue with that is that she wanted to stay low key..

I doubt seriously that she was getting a hundred texts a day via P 411. Any guy on P 411 had to go through P 411 screening to be on that site. Dropping out of P 411 to work a pole is one of the dumbest things I have heard  of.

I think the rude texts were coming from BP ads.  Dropping P411 was a bad choice that just contributed more to the bad situation.

What he said was that AFTER BP was shut down she went to "other platforms" and that is when she started getting overwhelmed by rude texts. I happen to agree with you that it was most likely "BP refugees" that were sending her these rude texts, but that is not what he said.  

you always know just what to say!

Please note that P411 has always been, and always will be, completely free for providers.  

That's a plus. But ladies that used TER and/ or P411 for " free" advertising will have to go in pocket for other advertising options. Ladies who stay " home based" with regular clientele will be less affected by these laws, and the changes that have been made to the sites. Where it hurts the ladies the most.... is touring. And if they don't tour, it leaves " grounded" clients  ( such as myself) with less options.

Obviously it take a lot of doing to get there but it is well worth it, now more than ever.

is that once they are over the hill and you know you won't ever want to see them again, they don't have a one-click "unsubscribe" or "opt-out" option.  The only way to get off their list is to send an email requesting to be removed, which invites drama and hurt feelings (both unprofessional responses), which I hate.  

What they do instead is tell the bots that run these things that the email is not only good, but that there is a human actually monitoring it.

That's why I don't do it if I suspect an email I get is spam.

thank you!

Thanks Gina, very much appreciated.

She could just hire a screener and she wouldn't have to do it herself.  Much more goes into screening than just checking a couple of references.  That's the same whether you have P411 or not since there are guys/gals with okays and references blacklisted to hell and back.

I do see new providers from time to time.  

...**** here. I assume you mean Eros.