I don’t understand how providers require references from people they don’t know personally. Why would I trust anyone who does not know them? I recently was contacted my a new provider with no reviews asking for personal information from one of my friends. She send no website, nada that indicates she’s reputable. I’m not reference friendly. I don’t share personal information from clients. I have never required references from providers I don’t know personally it holds no merit.  
PSA  - Pay for VIP on TER & do your own homework. Whitelists 😁Your welcome.

Some use it as a multi-layered approach. I think any security expert would say the more data points you get about a client, the more likely it will be accurate and keep you safe.  
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You have to do what makes you feel safe and you shouldn't be judged, while others should do what they need to do without judgment as well.

Unless a providers network is huge, usually a reference wont know another provider.

I've met  no providers who use whitelists for screening.  

Not understanding that at all, unless I am misinterpreting your post. MANY providers love getting a reference from a girl they know, as they trust them more. I am more likely to send a reference to a woman if she is friendly with my reference as that makes the process usually go much faster. This occurs quite often.

I totally understand that not everyone requires references, but in my experience, they can be incredibly helpful. No one’s asking you to give away personal details — when a client uses you as a reference, he’s giving you permission to simply confirm that yes, you saw him, and that you enjoyed his company enough to recommend him.

I don't dispute that the providers will value a ref they know more than those they don't. That's obvious imo.  

I don't know what "mutual reference" even means. I am hoping you, or someone else, can explain what you are saying. Can you be more specific? Thanks.

I meant like a mutual acquaintance. Why are you clinging to words? I thought it's pretty clear what I meant.

Providers aren’t looking for details at the level of a job. With a job, you’re looking to hire a good candidate. You don’t want someone average or below average. You want the best one. And in most cases, you’re filling one or a small number of positions. You’re not looking to fill 1-2 spots daily.

I suspect that the provider is looking for any information to confirm that the prospective client isn't a creep.  They are making the assumption that the provider from whom they are requesting the reference is going to be sympathetic to another provider, and not knowingly vouch for a creep.  The could be a dangerous assumption, if they are relying on a single reference.

My sole point was that if the only references a provider takes are from people/providers she knows well, then there aren't going to be many mongers vetted via references.

I totally agree with everything heathergfe said. I only accept provider references,  or if a gentlemen has many reviews for reputable woman with warm responses.  I have been in this business for 15 years and this really is the only way I feel safe proceeding forward. I never want someone's driver's licens, our address or job title. I personally, I could never understand why a provider would not be reference friendly. Like heather said, this should be about community and helping other women feel safe and stay safe. I too, don't need you to give me any details. Did you see him?And did he kill you? That's about all I need to know. I will always be there for another woman if she ever needs any notes from me. If only all of us women supported each other in this business, think about what a really cool safe environment.We could all be working in.

Could be LE. Why do I have to take time to vet a the provider? No website. No reviews. Why would you share information with an unknown?  

I’ve been on this amazing industry for over twenty years. I want real id & I need to do my own vetting that always includes criminal background checks for my safety. As the matriarch and head of my household my concerns are different.  

There’s a quality to the submitted reference
Said clients sends two sets of first names and phone numbers of provider he has seen. No reviews , adds show up on LC or other .
Client   Sends email and phone number of two providers on P411 and TER  or one of the other competitive sites.
Guess who gets an appointment first or at all.

I have never heard of a provider that only takes references from those she knows. The closest and maybe almost the same thing is a UTR provider who you literally need to be referred to from a booker, peer client or her friend. I have known ladies who use a UTR friend for duos and you have to see them solo first.

That would be great if all guys did this when it comes to references, but they do not. I was getting things like "I saw a gal that went by Kayla 2 years ago in Milwaukee and she worked out of a super 8" or more often I was getting a possible client that would say he saw (insert actual reputable provider) and when I would contact the provider the provider would say they had never heard of the guy. Or unfortunately the most common would be I would reach out to the provider and never hear back. It just became a giant waste of my time with references. I can screen a guy with his info and clear him for an appointment in less than 5 minutes.

First off to Big Momma B. The only people calling this a “community” is you, Sweet Bubba Scarlett and Granny kitty and of course your cuckolds that seem to spend every waking hour here on the NON-COMMUNITY FUCK BOARD. I’m sorry for your sister’s health issues but do you really expect other providers that are total strangers to care about your sister??? No doubt Scarlett is involved intimately in your sister’s care. By the way if a provider you don’t know wants to help out will you need her ID and criminal background check?  
In addition has Head cuckold  DisrespectfulRobby ever seen a post he didn’t desperately need to show off his Whore-Industry expertise. We know Wobby you’re a font of info!!!
As for Bubba Scarlett you poor thing those darn Bubba’s in Wausau aren’t cooperating with your verification process. Well there’s always being a waitress at your local Red Lobster and occasionally pick up a session from someone you serve and then you will know her or him ahead of time.  
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We have been giving references and getting references for 18 years with no problems along with other verification methods. Networking with others in this business is very important. We have to have each others backs.

Did you get locked out of your Grindr account again?

Locked Lip gets crushed in every argument with you, but like the child he is, he keeps touching the hot stove…and keeps getting burned. It was only a few weeks ago that several of us had to break it to him that even providers in their 20s sometimes lie about their age. This was news to him! Lol.  
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A week or so prior to that utter embarrassment, I had to correct him on his "facts," yet again, as he was so sure an alias couldn’t have reviews. smh
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It’s amazing for a guy who has been at this for at least 5 years or so, how he manages to be so utterly clueless on SO many topics in this lifestyle. Honestly…he’s the sole reason his family's gene pool needs a life guard. lol.

I'm not a provider.  And, I don't play one on TV (showing my age).  

Many of us care ab out ladies in the biz who have been injured, abused, can no longer work, etc. And I sure care about
 what your sister has gone through. Most do care about ladies who have be killed! Why you felt it necessary to add all of that and generalize about what other ladies in the biz do or don't care about is beyond me.  

I need more than just an email and phone number. I need to be able to find her via website or ad somewhere other than just here on TER. Knowing her handle here also makes it easy to find her.

He was directly answering a question about it. Then you asked about it. If you are reading this thread in 'Flat' view then that might not be apparent. Try the 'Tree' view and it should be clear.

The beauty of being independent providers is that we get to run our businesses our way, with our own rules.  

FYI, I am not new. I have been on TER since 2012. I have been posting on the boards for over 5 years. I know how to read the threads. I actually have kept up with entire conversation. It seems you have not and that explains your snippy answer.

When this business came out of the closet 25 or 30 years ago when the Internet first appeared, everyone was still very spooked by LE and the prospect of how LE would operate in cyberspace. (Keep in mind that before the Internet, both hobbyists and providers used aliases when setting up dates, which was by phone).   When the Internet came along provider references emerged as a way of verifying a prospective client without disclosing personal info.  If the provider had a website, that was enough of a credential for her to give a reference.  

It’s pretty wild that we’re talking 1995-2000. Back then, I was mostly familiar with a few avenues. One was street hookers. There were places they walked which many knew about. Then, in some cases, there was “a guy” that could essentially fetch them for you. I tried both, but the vibe was very uncomfortable.

There are no legal brothels in Las Vegas. Vegas is in Clark county, which forbids prostitution. Here's a summary from AI:
"In Nevada, prostitution is legal only within licensed brothels located in certain counties. These counties are: Churchill, Elko (specifically in Elko, Carlin, Wendover, and Wells), Esmeralda, Humboldt (specifically in Winnemucca), Lander, Lyon (specifically in Mound House), Mineral, Nye, Storey, and White Pine (specifically in Ely). Prostitution is illegal in other Nevada counties, including Clark County where Las Vegas is located."

Honestly, I wasn’t aware so good catch. I have never used a legit brothel in Nevada and wasn’t aware of that distinction. Whenever I went to Vegas, we’re talking over a decade ago now, I remember seeing business like cards advertising ladies with a phone number on the streets. These had phone numbers for them to come to your room. I assumed since they were so casually littered, they were legal. But I take it they are not. Does this mean that LE isn’t going after them as heavy? Or at least wasn’t since it’s been over a decade since I have been to Vegas.

This is correct. I worked at a legal brothel in Lyon County, NV called the Kit Kat Ranch. Prostitution is only legal in some of the counties depending on the population. Brothels have never been legal in Clark County, where Las Vegas is located.

Bia gave a similar response that I did. When a random person contacts us with no website or reviews and no way to verify they are in fact a real provider that puts us as providers in a bind. If we respond sure, I would see this guy again and give details about the date how are we to confirm it is not your wife or GF pretending to be a provider? Or worse if it is a cop? This is for your protection and for our protection as a provider. YOU as the client need to be doing your research and the legwork. If you in fact feel like this is a real provider and would like us to be a reference YOU need to contact the original provider and say "hey! I am going to be visiting XYZ city. Can you be a reference for me? Provider's name is ABC, phone #, email and she will be reaching out to you." We need to be proactively keeping our community safe but to do that we need to communicate and not assume.

I agree and think QB went too far as well. I think she is emotional about her sisters plight so I can understand her anger, even if I disagree with her pointing the finger at the community at large.  
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I feel bad for her sister. What happened to her is very sad. That said, it doesn't mean no one cares about her. That's a bridge too far.

Thank you Steph. You get it, sister.

and there are also the "casino girls." But, yes, it's all illegal. That said, I don't think busting hookers is a big priority of the LVPD. It's kind of a live-and-let-live sort of place. I've been involved with three M&Gs there, other group gatherings including an orgy featuring some of the 100ProofLV girls, had lots of girls come to my room and never once worried about  cops.

The provider being asked to give a reference should always be notified in advance.

It really is that simple. No one is asking you to reveal personal or private information. A reference is simply confirming that you saw the client and that he was respectful, clean, and safe during your time together. The client has already provided his personal information and consent by listing you as a reference.

I often receive reference requests from someone saying something like, “Hi, this is Kayla from Eros. Do you know Jason?”

are in Pahrump, about 60 miles from Vegas.  The venerable Chicken Ranch and a relative newcomer, Sheri's Ranch.  If you ever travel State Hwy 160 between Vegas and Pahrump, you will see a steady flow of limo's delivering customers to these two brothels.  Not surprised some here did not know that that brothels were not legal in Las Vegas and would post that they were.  

reviews as he does.  He's a low-volume, low-information poser.   I only respond when he posts shit that might be a problem if other mongers follow the advice he gives from his limited experience.  Bullshit is bullshit.  It doesn't matter who is posting it.  Lol

CDL forever playing the "I only count reviews I can see" game. You may win the award for being more obsessesed with me than anyone else ever. You respond to a lot of what I write because you just love to troll me. It kind of reminds me of Lego Batman where the Joker was so obsessed with Batman he couldn't live without him. He was the hero that made he "the villian" matter. Do you feel you need to troll me to matter? Is that it?

Can you do me a favor and reread the thread?

Relax Mr. OMG. I can see why you read it that way because you have a pattern of only seeing things literally. But that’s not what she is saying, and would have been a silly question if it was. Some people talk like they write. Have you not heard the saying “personally” when used at the end of a sentence that means “in my opinion?”

Huh?

Why do you keep responding to him? You are just fueling his ego. He knows exactly what buttons to push on you to get you fired up and you continue to respond over and over. He knows what he says is not true, that is why he says it. He KNOWS you are going to respond to correct him. He lives for this shit. This is all he has. Someday he will leave his mom's basement and we will then know for sure all the stories he has told through the years were in fact completely made up.

Now you’re not even trying to understand. Sometimes it feels like you prefer arguing.

in a cemetery.  See how foolish you look when you speculate?  I just neutered your entire post.  Lol

Speculating is foolish?  You mean like the speculating you do ALL THE TIME?

....but I've never worked at a brothel.  Vegas closed down their brothel district in 1942,  If it was illegal prior to that, it was ignored.  Gambling was illegal at one point but Block 16 operated for decades with the Arizona Club being the prominent bar/bordello.  

Oh, and for someone who calls out people who don't get your jokes..... Do you understand what a euphemism is?  Apparently not, or you would not have made yourself look so foolish with that response.

How about we just end this here.

They don’t call him Team Rocket Qwixote for nothing. His first impulse is to argue, and if there’s not a point to argue on, he conjures one up.

what you're claiming?  Or are you just talking out your ass again as an alias troll?

…he has to write “Lol” to let us know he’s trying to make a joke.  “Lol” is the written equivalent of the “laugh track” they used to use on sitcoms to make the audience think the show was funny.

Are you not getting enough attention lately?  You trolled me for about 7 years, but the past year you realized what a pariah you had become here, so you stopped trolling.   Now you want to go BACK to trolling?  How stupid is that?  There are new people here who didn't know you were a professional troll, which gave you a fresh start.  Going back to trolling just makes you look more like a loser and you alienate another generation of new members.  

being Tonto for Kemosabe BigP and dumped being Tonto for Heshits?  White-knighting for a better class of troll may be a step up in your mind, but it still makes you a troll.  

The King of Trolls and Deflection speaks again.  Projection is your way of describing yourself.  Who craves the attention more than you?  No one.  Don't you see the irony?

immediately below., TONTO.  Trolling me is only going to make you part of the simp club of girly-men here.   Why not come out of the closet and show some of your TS reviews?  (I bet this one got you clutching your pearls.  Lol)

TS Reviews?  What the heck are you talking about?   Of course, you don't know... just more speculation and/or something you made up to try and look superior.  What a clown you are.  See, I don't need to pull up old posts of yours re speculation.  As I stated previously, you do it ALL THE TIME.  

Why the hell do I care what another provider says about a potential client? Any new Provider that text me on here asking about a client(instead of growing a set of ball and asking him) must not really want him.