Ok, since the last topic generated some good lively discussion, here is another for debate.

Here in NYC, I think you can classify escorts into 5 very general categories (all assumed outcall, which is the only experience I am willing to consider at this point)


1) Street Walkers

No way, no how for me

2) Agency girls

Typically $150 to $300/hr in NYC. Typical a decent experience, though YMMV. Typical a decent looking girl, good looking enough to at least be able to think she could make money this way, though YMMV (thank goodness for websites and pictures!!). Reliable (in my experience) though all most always late. Available on relatively short notice.

3) Mid level Independents

Typically $300 to $400 in NYC. Usually pretty good-looking girls, usually a good experience from someone who is in business for themselves, and thus gets to keep all the profit and seeks to please the customer with an eye toward repeat business. However, somewhat unreliable (in my experience) and seldom is there an opportunity for impromptu dates.

4) High Level Independents & Agencies

$500 to $600 / hr in NYC. No real advantage over Mid level independents in regards to performance as best I can tell, but offer the promise / illusion of a better-looking girl. I have no experience in this category, and wouldn't consider having any (more to follow on this topic)

5) PSE

$1000+ / hr.  World-class experience from a girl with world class looks. I have no experience in this category either, but I would consider it.


For me, my preference is for Mid-level Independents, but with the combination of verification problems (I am self employed) and flat out unreliability (cancels), I find I usually bat .500 on planned / scheduled dates actually taking place. Plus, the inability (in most cases) to arrange something for the same night means that I also go the agency route about 50% of the time. My experiences here have varied from very good to pretty disappointing, but mostly I have gotten what I paid for and was expecting.

In regards to PSE, I haven't been there, but I understand the appeal. I used to have a GF who had no reasonable limits. Basically everything that didn't involve REAL pain or bathroom behavior was fair game. Hair pulling, spanking, facials...everything. The sex was unreal...but she was probably only a "6" in the looks department. It didn't matter to me at the time...but I can see how a guy might be willing to drop a couple grand for a chance to have that kind of sex with a drop dead gorgeous girl.

My questions are:

1) Which category do "you" typically operate in..and what is your preference (if different than where you usually end up)?

2) In a world with $150 agency girls, why do guys even CONSIDER street walkers? How do they stay in business?

3) What is the appeal of High level Independents (or agencies in at the same price point)? I REALLY don't get this one...review after review that I read seem to reflect that the experience is at best equal to and sometimes less than what guys get with Mid level independents...the girls are often less friendly, with more limits. The only appeal seems to be the potential of getting with a better looking girl...but what is the value of that? I mean...after you search the web for a Mid Level Independent who is good looking enough...why pay double for a gal who is one or two points better looking? As any guy who has had sex on more occasions than he has celebrated birthdays knows, what a girl looks like has NOTHING to do with how she is in bed (looks being general physical appearance, not manner of dress, or make up, etc.). So why pay more for less?

Statement  3) Mid level Independents

Re: Typically $300 to $400 in NYC. Usually pretty good-looking girls, usually a good experience from someone who is in business for themselves, and thus gets to keep all the profit and seeks to please the customer with an eye toward repeat business. However, somewhat unreliable (in my experience) and seldom is there an opportunity for impromptu dates.

I consider my self as a Mid Level Independent, but am puzzle about your however somewhat unreliable and seldom is there an opportunity for improptu dates statement you made.

This is not true for all escort all though you did mention NJ. I'm glad I live in the Richmond,Va area meaning this does not apply to us southern bella " Genuine" GFE/BFE. A true southern belle, honest, confident affectionate & romantic-seductive spunky with a feisty attitude with " 3 P PHILOSOPHY - PATIENCE, PERSISTENCE, & PERSUASION" )----- Hint ---Hint We make it a priority for you to have a good time in addition to us. Truly @ the top-quality level, dedicated, professional, honest and reliable." At least for the Nestle crunch southern bella. I'm not trying to offend anyone here.


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"1) Which category do "you" typically operate in..and what is your preference (if different than where you usually end up)?"

I agree that mid-level has the optimal service for the price; certainly this is the more common category for an escort. I guess I would include spa girls in this category as well.


"2) In a world with $150 agency girls, why do guys even CONSIDER street walkers? How do they stay in business?"

I personally have no interest in streetwalkers, but I suppose I can see how someone might like the precarious slumming experience... "extreme hobbying" maybe... certainly S.W. scene is dangerous in multiple dimensions (LE, pimps, exposure to infection, probable possession on the part of the provider, possible underage provider... a bust could be really spectacular). Also, for a client who is simply poor and can afford only $20 for FS I suppose S.W is the only alternative. Bear in mind the S.W is essentially 100% profitable for the pimp (the girls must hand over all the money, generally, in exchange for protection) so the price can be bargained down to pennies, in theory.

"3) What is the appeal of High level Independents... why pay more for less?"

Because some clients can afford $1000 basically as easily as $200... its just money, price is no object. In the case of the escorting pornstars, costing in many cases several thousand dollars, its just for the novelty... lets face it, most pornstars are likely less talented than a typical spa girl or mid-level escort. The principle holds over a variety of categories.. why would anyone want a Dodge Viper, for example: the car is a piece of crap and you can get twice the car for half the price... people buy it anyway. Go figure. Why, then, $1000+ escorts or "exotic" cars?

I invoke the mountaineer's manifesto: "Because its there".

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'I invoke the mountaineer's manifesto: "Because its there".'

Yeah, I see your point, because there doesn't appear to be any other reason (again, besides the fact that some of the websites promise a girl who is a print model, etc, etc.).

"Because some clients can afford $1000 basically as easily as $200... its just money, price is no object."

Well, I can't QUITE say that, but if I wanted to spend...say $600 a session versus my usual $300, I could. I do ok for myself...and I have other "expensive" hobbies. I just don't believe in paying more for something than I have to. And I tell you, review after review that I read regarding upscale agencies and independents (again in the $500 to $600/hr range..sometimes a little more) here in New York sounds like routine sex by the numbers. Some times the guys talk about how good looking the gal is...but just as often they give her a "7" or an "8". So...why pay double for "7" & "7" or "8" and "7" when "8" & "8" can be had at half the price via just a bit of research? I still don't get it...

"In the case of the escorting pornstars, costing in many cases several thousand dollars, its just for the novelty... lets face it, most pornstars are likely less talented than a typical spa girl or mid-level escort."


Ummm...I dunno about that. All of the PSE reviews I have read (mostly from "The Doctor") seem to describe some pretty unreal sex. I must admit I am intrigued...my new GF is pretty routine in the sack, and my most recent ex was really good....but ABSOLUTELY had limits. My EX GF twice removed (the gal I describe in the 1st post of this thread) has really ruined me for other women. If I can find a PSE that is local (I notice that virually all of them are West Coast or touring...neither is an option for me) I might just give it a try for grins...

PSE are not wild experiences.  If you want something really special you will have to pay big.  I understand that most of them are not even as skilled as Ali of LA.  Just my little observation.

Re:WOW! ?. coming from another provider..I take that as a real compliment..

But I dont think Im as much skilled and wild as I am open minded..

I don't pretend to have the Doctor's extensive PSE experience and much of what experience I do have came before TER was around.  I find the experience is similar to that with any other provider.  It can range from great to terrible with a lot of YMMV.

....while I'll agree with the wild & open minded statement, it doesn't mean nearly as much without a level of skill.  And
Sweetheart, I'm happy to say you're VERY skilled.  

Re:WOW! ?. coming from another provider..I take that as a real compliment..

Ali and provider are both awesome, however you want to categorize the skills.

DVB

Really?



After paying a few grand for "terrible", a guy has gotta be in a pretty pissed off mood, huh?

All the more reason to stay at my current price point, me thinks. Easier for me to say "oh well" when I know that I have spent $300 - $400 in strip clubs getting drunk and horny and NOT getting laid if I have a bad experience with an escort...if it were 3 or 4 THOUSAND....whoa...I don't think I would be happy...and all that escort paranoia about big black men might end up being justified...

I guess I'll never know....seems "Ali" is part of the "White, Hispanic, or Asian" conspiricy as well.

You know, I don't live in LA, but I KNOW there are Hispanic gang members....

Whatever......

As I said most of my experience was before TER and the internet.  The prices then were much lower.  The three to four thousand is not in my price range.

You guys keep saying that the diff between a PSE and a GFE is the number of limits involved in what you can and can't do... at least, that's the impression I got (could be mistaken).  

I'm wondering, what the heck do you wanna do that you can't do with a GFE? At least, me? LOL My limits are primarily those that involve SAFETY, and are limits I would have regardless of the context of the situation... ie: if I were with a new boyfriend my limits would be much the same as they would be with a new client... safety based. The only time I'd ever go condomless is well... like, maybe if I were married. LOL!  Sexually I'm OPEN but I very rarely get requests for anything out of the ordinary. So let's hear it, whatcha want, huh???? Bet not much that I couldn't give ya Oh, wait... animals aside from the two-legged human type are definitely OUT.  Not my thing

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Nicole

A large amount of my customers are younger well to do businessmen. As a function of my job I am required to entertain these gentlemen. One very common thing is to arrange personal company for these gentlemen when they visit. I can tell you from my experiences the gentlemen that I work with prefer the more expensive women because it instills a feeling of exclusivity. The reality is that most people cannot spend $2500-5000 for the company of a woman. Although unfounded, the belief is that the women would have fewer clients and the ones they had would be “cleaner” and a higher "class" than a woman who could be purchased by any guy who has $300.00 bucks in his pocket. Very much the same way a 1500 sq ft condo in Beverly Hills cost 10 times more than a 3500 sq ft home in Sacramento you pay to be placed among the elite. The reality is the more you have the more you have to loose and you will pay for comfort. Would you feel more secure with a woman who was sexually active with a Senator or a Bus Driver? If you had to guess that one had herpes who would you put your money on?

Well....since you asked....

I'm not really the "kinky type", IMHO. But I do like (make that REALLY LIKE) a good hair-pulling, ass-slapping romp every once in awhile....

And if we could finish off with a a short duration BBBJTC once I have "reached the gate", but before I actually cross the finish line, that would be great too..

Did I mention facials too? You know...for round two or three...

Essentially, all the stuff my EX GF twice removed used to give me...man, she was fun in the sack.....but from a better looking (again, not that I judged HER on her looks, she was plenty good looking to me, but hell, what man WOULDN'T want BBBJTC from Halle Berry??) partner.

To me...in my mind (not necessarily by definition)...that is PSE....a few limits (no pain, no FS with condom, no bathroom stuff) romp with a woman who is BETTER looking than the women I usually date (I'd give the girl referenced above a "6", and my last two GF "7"...I have dated a couple "8/9" back in college though....)

Except that as noted above in a post from Sable, this is an industry without standards. What (perhaps save looks..and that is a MAYBE) seperates $300/hr girls from $3000 girls? It seems girls can go "upscale" simply by raising their rates in this industry...which will say NOTHING about the BUs Drivers she may or may not have spent time with before she added the zero at the end of her rates.

Think about it this way...who amongest us hobbyist (save those who only think women size 2 and smaller are appealing) would not have paid top dollar to spend some quality time with Anna Nicole Smith back when she was at the top of her game? I sure as hell would have...Marilyn Monroe reincarnated?? Come on!!

Yet...look at Anna's life and sexual history (both documented and presumed) before she was "discovered". Hmmm?  Not many "Senator - types" in that line up....

THe price tag does NOT indicate quality...or tell you the history.

What you say about "exclustivity" though I find interesting...and is an interesting note in regards to my previous post on "upscale independents". I still say...a fool and his money......

Please understand that what I post is about perception not reality. I would not in least have had a worry in having unprotected sex with Pam Anderson and we all know how that turned out. Perception and reality are often two very different things. In truth the only person who is safe would be a partner in an actual monogamous relationship but we all look for what is comforting. As far as what someone’s past, once again I fall back on perception. We who are in this lifestyle look for a level of comfort as well as carnal pleasure. And this all comes from a fantasy and an expensive escort fills the fantasy of having a woman that most cannot have. Now whether she has an unemployed heroine addict boyfriend at home you can never know.