Actually, I dont read these boards that much at all.  But I guess I should have.  Im glad so many have responded to my original post.  
I didn't mean to make it sound like I was whining or complaining, but simply my burning johnson has kind of woke me up. Im 35 years old pretty good looking and I think I need to redirect my energies to finding a girlfriend rather than a quickie without the bother.    
I've read alot about daty but never have performed that on a provider.  seems too risky to me.  I may be wrong but I'd never do it to a provider.  period.
 
I agree with the few posts also below about the dudes that visit the ts girls.  I dont blame providers at all from protectiong themselves.  A guy thats into streetwalkers, ts, and once in a while pays extra for the $$$-$$$$ girl could spread it across the table.  

Correct - "suck you dumb bitch - blow is just a figure of speech"

Herpes is not a bacteria. And Gonococcus is a normal inhabitant of your mouth (yes, even you), so looking at someone is not going to prevent you from obtaining something nasty from a BJ.

daydreamer ... to a point, I'm with you on the bbbj. I found two providers who insist on cbj but I like their personalities and each is tastier than the other. Plus, since they love to have me suck on their delectible toes and K.... can really fuck like the Energizer Bunny while J..... is drop-dead gorgeous, I give them latitude.

Do you eat with your penis? Otherwise your analogy seems off. Believe me I KNOW men don't like to have rubber wrapped around their penis, girls have been hearing the same complaints for years. Of course it's not as fun for you. But there is the matter of safety for both of you.

: Let me make it perfectly clear that I wish no harm to anyone,
: and I'm sorry if this sounds misogynistic or hateful because I
: don't mean it like that at all, but in offering her services
: and taking my cash, a provider is acknowledging and accepting
: the possiblitiy of certain risks involved in performing those
: services.  

That is the most sad-ass rationalization I believe I have ever heard. And yes it does sound misogynistic. Better tell that doctor, dentist and medical staff to whip off those gloves when they touch you. After all they CHOSE a profession that puts them in contact with public and their germs. Why should medical staf entering a TB ward wear masks? Why take those precautions? Because they deserve that protection.

Better tell those police and swat officers to whip off the kevlar and protective wear when they're on the job. After all, they CHOSE a profession that puts them in danger of being shot. Why take precautions? Because they deserve that protection.

Better tell those porn actors and actresses to forego the mandatory STD & HIV checks before shooting a scene. After all, they CHOSE a profession that includes exchanging bodily fluids with strangers. Why take precautions? Because they deserve that protection.

Somehow I think that you would find all these precautions to be sensible and prudent but somehow when an escort attempts to protect herself by using condoms or to use some sort of screening practice, everyone complains. The girls that do use condoms for BJs are being extra cautious and that's a good thing. If some girls chose to give BBBJs that is their choice and you have every right to seek those particular girls out, but to say all escorts should be somehow obligated to give them as part of the title of "escort", I'm sorry I don't think that's in the job description.

I've been reading these boards for quite awhile and I see men who see TS "girls" (who are, not to put too fine a point on it - gay male prostitutes - a very high risk group). I see men who visit streetwalkers (who are not exactly in great shape, many are IV drug users - also a very high risk group) Then you have the high volume girls who go through dozens of men per week, sometimes engaging in high risk behaviors with some or all of them. Then there are the men who frequent these girls.

Then we have you, who just wants to go and get his darn BBBJ. But these girls have no way of knowing who you are or what sort of risks you take. YOU might know you're clean; they do not. I know you want your BBBJ and you might even feel you deserve your BBBJ but please don't go in with the attitude you are obligated to get your BBBJ.

As for the money issue, sure you're paying for it, but IMO you should go in and be happy and grateful that your dollars assure you that a pretty girl - a complete stranger to you - is going to take your bare penis in her mouth and suck it with relish until you spill your bodily fluids over her/in her/on her whereupon she will act like she's thrilled about it. Then you'll get to so the most intimate of acts with her/to her in various positions, daty and dfk, all the time acting like hot lovers when in reality you are just strangers. All the time she will act like you're the hottest fuck she's ever had, that your penis is a healthy size, that you smell nice and are attractive. She will make make appreciative noises, chat with you, and give you a nice kiss goodbye. Then you'll get to leave, and if you wish, either see her again or never see her again - your choice - without any repercussions or arguments. No worries about fatal attractions and boiling rabbits, no worries about paternity/palimony or alimony lawsuits, no threats to your happy home life or personal life, not even any unwanted phone calls. Just leave! What a service these girls are providing! Please be grateful and cherish them. Even the ones who "only" do CBJs.

And if that's not worth $$$ I don't know what is.

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disclsoure: i am not a doctor and i don't play one on tv. that said, i think the infection mechanisms and infectious bugs are not the same in bbbj and daty, and the risks are not comparable though they are not zero for either act for either partner.

for example, you can more easily see swelling, chafing, broken skin, discharge, chancres or sores on the pudendum than on the inside of the mouth. the smell from the mouth can sometimes come from the stomach, but smell from the kat is the kat straight up. the exterior labia are generally worn dry and are easy to wash, while the back of the molars are eternally wet and almost never scrubbed. saliva on both sides may also be toxic to viral particles.

ladies can get herpes from oral contact, and are almost certain to get yeast infection if the ordering of common language, number 1 and number 2, is not scrupulously respected in the placement of the fingers (that's vagina then anus, never the reverse). i will often wash my face and hands even if i arrive freshly showered.

the host (incall or outcall) usually offers wine or drinks, and should do so, not least because the 6%-20% alcohol can't hurt the cleansing of the mouth.

personally i can do without both bbbj and daty. but i got my first pro bbbj from a delightful minx who apparently chooses covered in other situations, and i was so smitten and silly with her i had to touch, and once touching i had to sniff, and once sniffing i had to tease, and once teasing i had to taste, then tasted a good while and rimmed her to boot.

that was a judgment call. and judgment is always distorted by lust. but once out of my car and rapping at her door, i chose a distorted world for the real one ... and next time i went by, she had freshly showered just for me.

Incase you might not have thought about it but  women do get thrush. Its ayeast infecton of the mouth. There are  a few ways that they get it. Femals on Female , and  Guys who daty on female wont have the oral symptoms as they pass it on . Some women  wont even know they have it for quite sometime but if there is alot of oral going on and you are with alot of other providers you can rest assure  you might get it too. You might want to ask alot of questions to your're provider  like does she do 2 grl shows, multiple partners and how oral is she. If you're answer is shes very oral with everyone that increases your chances. Going once a month for an exam to the local Health Department or Private Dr is  so important to so many providers . More should go out of respect for the men who do pay top dollar . They shouldnt  have to suffer in the long run. Sorry I had to express myself here . Hoe it helps in the future or atleast  helps some people think before they do.

Shopgirl...I THINK you were supporting my opinion on DATY being something the guys should be concerned with...but one I've never heared voiced thus far.  If I'm wrong, please feel free to post that effect.  I hope anyone who's read my post realizes that I have no medical training, simply that I've done a lot of research & had very frank discussions with my personal physcian.  

Like you, drollere...I've never even played one on TV. Now why does that phrasing sound familiar to me?  Have perhaps read your posts on another board, or have you posted on this board under another nom-de-plume?  Not important...just my curiosity.

BTW--(addressing this to drollere):  I was basically asking if those guys who considered a bbbj out of the question...if they happened to not be so concerned with DATY.  From your reply, which BTW again, I do appreciate as it opens the topic for discussion up further, I'm not clear in which "camp" you consider yourself?  I'm naturally, & geez this should go without saying, talking about either activity--on either side of this little fence--being with someone who shows no signs, including being freshly showered...an absolute requirement!  Are there really people who think so little of themselves or the other person who do not do that??!!  Thankfully I've never met someone like that & if I ever do, it will end very quickly!

Having said all this, I still "allow" a bbbj more often than I will DATY.  That to me is something I only partake in when the gal is someone who I am really into.  I say this mainly for the benefit of letting them know publically only to let them know how they made me feel.  I know there are some who will consider that attitude a bit old-fashioned or uptight.  But so what?  Since when am I not entitled?  And for those few ladies, at least you know I consider you to be very special.  

maybe it will be easier to deal in short statements. these are my opinions, i may be wrong:

1. the overall health risk to the male from bbbj is maybe 10%, and will be some variant of yeast. a few pills will cure it, the discomfort is less than a common cold, and the man wears it in his pants.

2. the overall health risk to the male from daty is maybe 1%, and will be some variant of herpes. no pills will cure it, the discomfort is less than a common cold, and the man wears it on his face.

these are my preferences:

3. i don't request or turn down a bbbj or dfk. oral sex (including dfk) is secondary to establishing rapport and rhythm with the lady, which builds the arousal and emotional tension that makes intercourse gratifying.

4. i rarely perform daty, and i only do it to enhance my own pleasure and to reciprocate the gfe illusion for the minx. i pay attention to her response and i stop when asked or when i feel her pleasure or comfort is less than mine.

5. i let the lady take care of herself and signal her own safety preferences, and i accept them without argument or testing.

Thanks for your response fashionmode.  
The provider i saw was right here in west los angeles and actually had alot of favorable reviews.  I didnt like the way she bbbj'd as it was a weird bending thing she was doing probably was blowing her saliva down the hole of my penis.
I really dont know for sure though but I do know I had a funny feeling after I left that something wasnt right. Probably because it was in a big apartment complex where there seems to be many russian providers that dont speak good english.  I almost didnt go because she was hard to understand and when I asked her to repeat room # and bldg letter, she sighed really loud like I was an idiot, when it wasnt my fault she has such a heavy accent.

I don't know what the odds are but a man can get gonnorehea from BBJ's.

Thanks for the info fashionmode.   Its not burning as much after 3 days of antibiotics so Im glad about that.  Yea it probably was some sort of mouth bacteria.  she was blowing me kind of weird, like one guy above said "literally blowing her saliva into me".  The girl I saw though did have several positive reviews on this site.  I wonder if I go to the bathroom immediately after a session,  if that would reduce the possibility even greater.