Noticed that the recent poll on education indicated that virtually all members of this website has a PhD, Master's or Bachelor's degree. Is this credible given the poor spelling seen in almost every review? I have checked my spelling here but eagerly await correction.

an indicator of intelligence, perhaps just of focus  and diligence  in that particular arena.  I personally happen to love words, the English language.  Interesting that we dont communicate by mathematics ... I would be a sorry (make that a SORRY) mess.

Now to approach your question from another angle.  Those misspellings are often because of typos, and trying to get something typed quickly before someone else walks in.  Under those conditions, typos are made with no time to check.   So perhaps the real question is  "Yes, but can he type?"  (Perhaps only women can appreciate the true meaning of this, as was posed to their mothers, or in general, the working force of women in the 60's and 70's who were seeking careers in the then heavily male dominated market.)

xoxo

ff

P.S. is Dunstable related at all to constable, or was that a clever spelling error, the fingers on the wrong keys type of spelling error? (just kidding.)  I am incurably interested in  handles, be they email handles or love handles.  And especially THE love handle.  I suppose I havent been much help with your original question, but i had fun entertaining myself while I danced around it!  Nevertheless, Dunstable, I've made the same observations, and chosen to believe what I stated until further enlightened.


xoxo

ff





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...But seriously, this problem is rampant at the professional level.  I see the most brilliant PhD types at work that just cannot spell worth a darn (I'm sure that last bit of grammar probably flunked too).  I think spelling is not being emphasized enough in school anymore, and we are starting to see the results here.

Even in the sciences, the overall quality of writing has deteriorated tremendously over the past twenty years. Many of the peer-reviewed journals must have copy-editors on staff to correct poor grammar, mixed syntax, and awkward sentence construction. Actually, poor spelling is the least worrisome, because you can usually figure out the intended word.

On the plus side, some of the reviews in TER have been great reads with a fair amount of humor. This may indicate a number of LA screenwriters with too much time on their hands.

Lawyers who have either an LL.B or JD would fall in the PhD category on the survey even though they can skip getting a Master's. But, it is a little different.  Since there are quite a few lawyers on this board there might have been a separate category for Masters-MS/MA/MBA, Doctorates- PhD/MD/DBA and Lawyers- LL.B/LL.M/JD, even though lawyers are Juris Doctors.

Sometimes trying to keep it simple adds clutter, especially with college degrees.  Remember, BS, MS, PhD- Bullshit, More of the Same, Piled High and Deep.

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Okay, let me throw this out here and see if anyone can come up with the answer.

What is an AMP?  No, it is NOT an Asian massage parlor!!  Has nothing to do with the hobby.  It is an advanced degree and I believe it has something to do with biology or maybe even zoology.

I can't find it anywhere.

Reading the contents, I sorta doubt the credibility.  A long time ago, there was a post regarding the statistics of some kind.  If you have a degree beyond AA, you should have taken a statistics class.  Seeing that I was the only one to point that one out makes me suspicious of the poll.  

A fact is that there is no way to substantiate the claim, so we have to take it at the face value and determine the validity on our own.  But I feel that this unsubstantiality makes people mendacious. It is interesting to see how people answer definitely.  I liked the poll about the length of our hair.  Many people answered that they have long hair below their shoulder.  Quite frankly, I have never see that many doctors with long hair.  Well, I cut my hair when I dipped it in a DNA sequencing apparaturs while running.  But I was the only one with long hair, then.  It's short now.

OK, Adenosine Mono-Phosphate.  It is the byproduct of ATP.  T for Tri-phosphate.  Am I the only one answering this one?  By the way, cAMP is a transcription factor.  c stands for cyclic.  I can write a paper on this one.

Wait, this should have been easy to find on the net.

Question should have been what complements adenosine.  That's an undergraduate question.

NOSC,
You may be right on here as I had seen it in connection with a person graduated from Harvard and is Chairman of a sizeable manufacturing plant. Thank you.

It discusses some of the different ways people are intelligent, other than the standard IQ test type of intelligence that most of us commonly associate with being "smart."

Many of the providers I've met over the years have very high emotional intelligence, but aren't necessarily comfortable doing triple integrals.   Which is my seque to a story from college-  I got my undergraduate degree in Engineering back in the late 60's/early 70's when the space race was turning engineering undergraduate programs into hellish torture.  Everyone in my class was smart, some freighteningly smart (I was the only guy in my suite of 6 rooms that didn't have perfect 1600 scores on his SAT's).  Yet I remember countless times when one of my room mates and I were doing homework and he struggled because he couldn't conceptualize some Physics problem (which I thought were laughably easy).   Meanwhile, I struggled because I couldn't do the calculus and get the right answer, which he basically did in his spare time for fun.  We each would help the other while saying to ourselves "I can't believe he doesn't get this," but the fact is, we just had very different skill sets in this regard.  I've always been able to think abstractly with great ease, but never liked the messy details (like actually solving the calculus).  It didn't make either of us less smart, it only served to point out the different areas in which we possessed our intelligence.

So it's important to remember when discussing this subject that there are different types of intelligence, and the ability to spell properly is only indicative of one of them.  I think FF is correct, a lot of times we're just in a hurry, or aren't trained in keyboard use.  I make more typos than you can imagine, but usually catch them.  Hey, maybe being smart enough to proof read is another type of intelligence...

one called "The Art of the Possible" which deals with learning patterns and abilities as related to the different senses as channels of learning and perception.

In other words, I may not be a visual learner, but I learn better kinesthetically.  Carly Simon stuttered when speaking, but singing helped her speech tremendously.  If you tell me that I am in room #3 tanning booth, I'd probably have to come back and ask you again, unless you were also holding up 3 fingers.  I need that visual.

xoxo

Btw, someone mentioned spellcheck program being available for posters, perhaps staff would consider them for reviewers and posters?  What does everyone think?





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I agree witth FF.  In addition I do believe the quality of education has deteriorated.  A few years ago they changed the SAT tests for college entrance to make them easier because test scores kept dropping.  Another factor is the length of time since we studied spelling and grammar.  I believe most of the male posters to this board are 30+.  Unless you work in an area that requires extensive use of written language your skills tend to get rusty.  Personally most of my business communications are written in very simple, concise and boring english so that everyone understands what I am saying.

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I edit my posts other than spelling and grammar,  because after I've written I think of a better way to phrase for the reader.

Certainly Stumpy, my concise writing abilities have become rusty!  So I totally agree with you on that!



ff




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I wasn't aware of that degree.  What's that got to do with biology?

I have seen many successful people without a degree.  Yeah, Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard. (Wouldn't you guys think that he must be pretty smart to get into Harvard in the first place?)  The degree is not a measure of intelligence.  But it must be a measure of one's knowledge, otherwise what's the use of going to college?  

If you have BS degree, at least I expect a person to know basic calculus and statistics and know how to use them. (How can you pass these classes without knowing them?)  When I hire a scientist, I judge a scientist based on his degree and papers.  I don't pretty much give a damn about his spelling or grammer as long as it is within reason.  I know having a doctorate degree makes a whole lotta difference in my field. (there are some experiences you can't get without actually in a professional school.)  

And I thought we were talking about the validity of the poll.  The poll certainly is not a representative of the general population.  Only place with more than 50% of the people with some type of college degree is in the Bay Area.  

By the way, I met my ex wife at my school.  And she is cleaning me out every month.  So there goes the benefit of going to college.  I should have taken a class on prenuptial agreement.

Everyone made over 100K but the posts constantly complain about the prices.  Unfortunately, honesty is not expected in this hobby(or life for that matter).

DrX

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I would take both the income and education poll with a grain of salt.  However I have often found that the complaining about prices, taxes, etc. is inversely proportional to the money earned.  In other words those with the most bitch the most and often negotiate prices more than people who make less.  In many cases that is how they got the money.

NOSC & FF,

I think that you and a number of other participants on this board express ideas far more eloquently than I do.

And I mean that in the human sense in this regard (though you are mesmerizing physically as well).  I believe that we need more people such as yourself that can come to the defense of others.  And no, I'm not here kissing ass as some may think.  Your post simply reminds me of another provider's post on another board recently where a supposedly intelligent person took the time to rip someone else for their spelling.  

You defended someone else without tooting your own horn.

Horns.  [eg]

Wrong!  There were studies first done in the 1920's that proved conclusively that spelling has absolutely no correlation with intelligence.  Every study since then has confirmed that original diagnosis. Time's Man of the Century, Albert Einstein couldn't spell worth a damn in either English or German and nobody blamed the school system for not emphasizing it in those days.  In fact, rigid adherance to "fixed spelling rules'" often is perceived as one of the things that inhibits creativity.  Given the number of times I have had to correct my typos on this short response, I think Felicia's analysis is most accurate.  We probably all should have worked just a little harder in keyboarding instead of figuring out ways to cheat on our timed writes. (Not naming any names of course!)

cAMP was discovered by Earl Sutherland and Theodore Rall (Nobel Prize), and is a "second messenger" that regulates both transcription (genetic) and cellular enzyme activities (e.g., protein kinases). It is produced by plasma membrane-bound adenylate cyclase, and transduces the actions of such hormones as glucagon. EOS (end of seminar)

Sorry, Nicole. I was just having an "editor" moment, which has  passed. I'm better now.

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I think the hair poll was a bit flawed.

I think it said something like "What hair length is your type" or something like that. I assumed it meant my preference for a lady and I answered accordingly.

I suspect others did also.

If the question was less vage than I remember, then I guess I just read it wrong.