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sweetnicole1 See my TER Reviews 1858 reads
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a nice Gentlemens club does NOT promote sex.
they may turn their backs and not see whats going on, but they don't promote it only the sleezy ones do.

Most women in this biz do NOT start by stripping that's a myth. there is a percentage of ladies who stripped first but its smaller than you think.

my suggestion to you is Stay out of her business. you don't belong in it its just messy. shes a big girl and can handle herself and if she isn't and needs someone to champion for her she shouldn't be in this business. It will eat her alive. Walk away my friend.
she needs to be able to handle this on her own.

ceotraveling 30 Reviews 3466 reads
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A friend of mine decided she was going to be a stripper a few weeks ago.  To say she would be the last person you would expect to be a stripper would be an over statement.  Not that she doesn't have the looks because she is beautiful (think Julia Roberts).

She is just good hearted country girl so you would not expect her to strip.

Anyways, less than a week into it, she has to do the VIP room thing.  Well the guy of course wanted to have sex with her and she refuses and walks out.

The other strippers were trying to pressure into to it and saying it isn't that bad depending on the guy, just do it for the money and eventually you won't care.

She says no.  Bouncer dude for VIP goes ballistic and texts her very Pimp like anger.  I saw the text and this dude was pissed that he couldn't whore her out.

She quit and of course, like a good pimp, he is now trying to be nice to get her to come back.

Questions
1. How many providers started out as strippers and provided sex in the club?  
2. If you did strip but refused to have sex, did you experience the same wrath?
3. Any providers experience this type of Pimp Pressure in the TER world?

Regards - CEOT

inicky46 61 Reviews 1660 reads
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1) Many strip clubs frown on actual sex taking place on premises.  Your friend needs to find one of those.
2) I know a gal who worked at a strip club where no sex was permitted.  She wanted to provide sexual services and started doing it on her own.  She's quite proud of the fact she blazed that trail.
IOW, there are lots of ways this goes down.   Your friend needs to do some homework.

ceotraveling 30 Reviews 1875 reads
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it is actually a nice club so I am not sure I agree with your theory.

She quit so I think she handled it.  I gave no advice other than to say that once she did it 1x, there was no going back and she just had to be sure that is what she wants.

ShakingtheSheets 189 Reviews 1627 reads
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Nicole is right. The more respected "gentleman's clubs" would never promote, or frankly encourage sex. Ever. The fact that your lady friend refused to have sex from a client and was later threatened by a working member of the club is all we need to know about the establishment she is working in. It's a dive. Period.  

You may believe its a "nice club" but its a hole in the wall. Sex is never permissible in the upscale clubs. It's why, for the most part, they are a complete waste of money. Case in point. I went to an upscale NYC strip club a few months ago. A business associate of mine wanted to take three women, for an hour into the VIP lounge. He paid $2,700 and was annoyed afterwards that all he received was topless lap dancing/grinding.  

I don't think he's a hobbyist...He should be now.  For $2,700 you could be directing, producing and starring in your own orgy!!

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1736687 15 Reviews 1643 reads
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Agree...100%
I have been in a lot of clubs and all of the girls were very paranoid about management knowing what was going on. Typically just hj through the pants & I found impossible to finish except for once & that took 90 minutes & I had raw spots a week afterward.

Chauncey Gardner 1770 reads
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I've been in strip clubs in quite a few parts of the country and  have yet to see one where actual sex was promoted.  Of course I avoided going into places that looked skanky. Your friend needs to get out of the sticks.

AnotherDonJohn 1647 reads
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That your "friend" found herself in a bad situation?
Or that you seem to live in the Sticks too?

By definition, that strip club is not nice. Presumably you're basing that solely on the neon sign not missing any letters and the girls looking hot.  

I noticed your posts behind the wall these days are sounding pretty naive as well

ceotraveling 30 Reviews 1329 reads
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Posted By: AnotherDonJohn
That your "friend" found herself in a bad situation?  
 Or that you seem to live in the Sticks too?  
   
 By definition, that strip club is not nice. Presumably you're basing that solely on the neon sign not missing any letters and the girls looking hot.  
   
 I noticed your posts behind the wall these days are sounding pretty naive as well.  
   
 

AnotherDonJohn 1356 reads
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Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1390 reads
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AnotherDonJohn 1410 reads
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Rather be a dick than a complete naive Mangina.

How long have you been doing this? You always sound like a newbie.

 



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Chauncey Gardner 1452 reads
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Dr Who revived 1595 reads
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That they are forcing her into being a prostitute?  LOL

Sorry...just as easy to walk out the door.

Any gal that wants to shake their tits and ass in front of a crowd will have a tough case to present.  Unless she is being forcibly entered into this world (as in prostitution), she has a free choice to simply walk away.

Next case bailiff  ;)

no_email 3 Reviews 1669 reads
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CPA's Commonsense Court air?

 
I don't want to miss it

Dr Who revived 1256 reads
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Shark Tank

And this weeks surprise defendant will be the Denver Broncos.  They are defending a class action suit for impersonating an NFL Championship caliber team.

Should be fun  LOL
Posted By: bigvern
CPA's Commonsense Court air?  
   
   
 I don't want to miss it.  
 

random133 117 Reviews 1441 reads
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1 offered HJ
1 offered BJ
2 chicas who let me DATY
2 chicas who went down on each other while I watched
1 chica who took me home and taught me how to f@ck

All spread out over time and space.  

To my knowledge all offered out of sight and earshot of management; blind eye syndrome?  

0 offers of FS on the premises.  

If management is actually promoting sex that's pimping.

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Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1489 reads
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ceotraveling 30 Reviews 1302 reads
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AnotherDonJohn 1369 reads
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OCGT 31 Reviews 1526 reads
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Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1681 reads
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Promotion, demotion, and discipline based on sexual activities toward the boss and/or whom he so chooses is not legal and yes, she can sue for a pretty penny.

Why wouldn't a worker in a titty bar who has declined prostituting herself have as much push as a woman in the corporate world?

The following link provides links to an article about
1. Suing strip clubs for sexual harassment
2. Proof that 'upscale' strip clubs deal with the issue. (I'm only assuming that this may mean selling sex in these upscale places.)

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Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1372 reads
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Because she shook her tits in front of a crowd legally, and rejected someone for trying to manipulate her into prostitution?

Hmmm…

Dr Who revived 1483 reads
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But I'm sure some moron of an attorney would take on a case that is baseless.  Certainly won't be the first time...nor the last.

Tough to win some type of sexual harassment suit in a sexually oriented business.  Frankly I would expect that an immediate counter-complaint would be filed by the defendant (strip club in this case).  

And then the plaintiff (that would be the stripper) would become a defendant to the counter-complaint and then the bucks for her to defend will end up being quite material.

The only winner(s) in this argument are the attorney's.  They are bigger whores than any hooker  LOL

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1552 reads
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just don't expect me to email back and forth 50 times/day. :)

Not looking for badasses in this business. Looking for guys who will treat us well. Who wouldn't want to work for someone who appreciates them?

Just sayin

russbbj 89 Reviews 1751 reads
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I sincerely hope you heed that advice, this can only end badly for you in so many ways. The olde, and hopefully wiser I get the more I've come to realize that it's best to concern myself with my business and not anyone else's. I've read between the lines enough to understand that you are genuinely concerned and that your intentions are mostly noble and for that very reason you are even more vulnerable to be the bad guy if you attempt to intervene. This is not to say you shouldn't offer your sincere and honest opinion on the matter if you are asked for it, but only if asked. Good friends are hard to come by, I hope she knows she has one in you, and appreciates that.

Posted By: sweetnicole1
a nice Gentlemens club does NOT promote sex.
they may turn their backs and not see whats going on, but they don't promote it only the sleezy ones do.

Most women in this biz do NOT start by stripping that's a myth. there is a percentage of ladies who stripped first but its smaller than you think.

my suggestion to you is Stay out of her business. you don't belong in it its just messy. shes a big girl and can handle herself and if she isn't and needs someone to champion for her she shouldn't be in this business. It will eat her alive. Walk away my friend.
she needs to be able to handle this on her own.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1489 reads
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Think for a minute.

A woman goes for legal help regarding a business that is running with a business license --- it is assumed, (and probably investigated periodically,) that the business is running based on the protocol that has been set for them.

She is providing information on a business who is running unlawfully, and most likely not only doing this to her. They're obviously doing these things to ladies who are also naive, unexperienced, and lack confidence. The weak ones get sucked into prostitution. Why wouldn't the government want to do anything about it? They have a free 'informant' on the case, who by the way, hasn't done anything illegal in this case.

Also, you just stabbed your argument in the foot. "The only winner(s) in this argument are the attorneys." If the attorney wins, doesn't she win? Even if they suck her dry of the money she wins, she got justice.

xo.

Dr Who revived 1511 reads
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As I posted to BCG...there's whores out there who'll take on any unfounded claim.  

Care to do some discovery on the results of such frivolous lawsuits?  As well as damages that were paid?

As I also commented to BCG...once good ole Steve the Whore attorney files his complaint on behalf of the worker...she better be prepared to hire a good litigator to defend the counter-complaint.

I also commented to BCG that most attorney's are bigger whores than the hookers...but it's a legal type of fucking they render  LOL

Give that gig a shot and you can find out first hand just what a real good fuck over feels like.  Then you can advise the OP's stripper friend to just go and get a new job somewhere else.  Or learn how the game is actually played in strip clubs  LOL
Posted By: Courtney.ova
Promotion, demotion, and discipline based on sexual activities toward the boss and/or whom he so chooses is not legal and yes, she can sue for a pretty penny.  
   
 Why wouldn't a worker in a titty bar who has declined prostituting herself have as much push as a woman in the corporate world?  
   
 The following link provides links to an article about  
 1. Suing strip clubs for sexual harassment  
 2. Proof that 'upscale' strip clubs deal with the issue. (I'm only assuming that this may mean selling sex in these upscale places.)

AnotherDonJohn 1463 reads
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Dr Who revived 1397 reads
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Perhaps some shister attorney can convince someone of some  baseless convictions...but in the real world the gal knew exactly what the gig was.

And if she didn't like how the company operates...she is free to move on to something different.

To try and suggest a sexual harassment will prevail..the only winner is the attorney.  That is assuming he was smart enough to get his fees paid in advance  LOL
Posted By: Courtney.ova
Because she shook her tits in front of a crowd legally, and rejected someone for trying to manipulate her into prostitution?  
   
 Hmmm…

ceotraveling 30 Reviews 1294 reads
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she has the text from the idiot VIP Jug Head that clearly hangs himself and therefore the establishment as it relates to him pushing her to have sex with a guy that paid for the VIP.

Case closed = win.

no_email 3 Reviews 1382 reads
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the court doesn't rule in her favor?

 

You have to consider how illustrious this stripper gig is. In short, don't get caught up in doing the right thing (chose your battles)  
 
Posted By: Courtney.ova
Promotion, demotion, and discipline based on sexual activities toward the boss and/or whom he so chooses is not legal and yes, she can sue for a pretty penny.  
   
 Why wouldn't a worker in a titty bar who has declined prostituting herself have as much push as a woman in the corporate world?  
   
 The following link provides links to an article about  
 1. Suing strip clubs for sexual harassment  
 2. Proof that 'upscale' strip clubs deal with the issue. (I'm only assuming that this may mean selling sex in these upscale places.)

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1192967 45 Reviews 1513 reads
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...5 providers personally that danced in strip clubs before becoming escorts. I have had sessions with three of them as providers. One was fired from the club because she was caught giving a blow job in the VIP room. That's when she became a provider. She is now out of the business. Two are still providing. Two are out of the business but I hear one of them is occasionally taking appointments in another state. I knew three of them while they were dancers. I met the other two as a providers. It turns out I had seen one of them (never spent time with her) in the club about 10 years earlier. I had blow jobs from the three in the VIP room on many occasions.  

It was always hush-hush on the sly. The club could lose it's liquor license, be shut down, and folks could get arrested. Often word got around that vice was checking things out at clubs. Many dancers would say right up front I won't do anything in VIP I don't do on the dance floor. It's illegal.
However, some were willing and usually didn't charge extra for it. Once they know the guy and know he's not a cop they go for it. Some of those that said no would over time loosen up a bit and go for a hand job or blow job. I have had intercourse in the VIP room many times. Yesterday as a matter of fact.  I do think sometimes it's a don't ask don't tell but if the lady said no the club wouldn't give her grief about it. The club would then watch for the guy or have him removed.

Those that say it's not promoted are correct. Any time a club manager, bouncer, what have you said anything at all it was no sex, blow jobs, etc.  There are often signs up in the club that say don't touch the dancers. That is very rarely enforced.

This was always done in a manner as to not let anyone know. I have seen dancers get fired and removed from the premises by management for too much touching or improprieties in the VIP room.

If the place your friend worked was promoting it and the guy was giving her a hard time about it when she refused that club is not the norm. I make that statement based on my experience in my area and the reports of others from here and elsewhere. However "nice" it is it's a dive because of how your friend was treated.  

When I discovered TER and the agency I used for my first experiences I pretty much quite clubs. I recently began going again for a beer and some eye candy. I see dancers that remember me or new ones that see I'm known and simply ask what they are willing to do. If they are up for it so am I. I wouldn't go about it the way I used to because it's too expensive.

Dr Who revived 1456 reads
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First...no stabbing my foot.  My comment was the attorney's get paid regardless of the outcome.  Hence the plaintiffs (that's the stripper) attorney gets paid to get body slammed in court...if the judge even allowed a hearing on the case.  If he doesn't allow the case to be heard due to insufficient evidence, the plaintiffs attorney still wins as he got paid to do nothing (aside from filing a brief).

With respect to the business in question...it is selling tits and ass.  That is all it sells aside from watered down booze.  So when a prospective employee wants to work there, to try and use that she was forced into anything is not a defense (at least one that will have merit).

As most have discussed here the P4P goes on in the VIP rooms out of managements sight.  There are no agreements (publicly that is) to provide a house of prostitution.

Again, if you or anyone wants to make a case on this...there is going to be some asshole out there who will take the case on.  But winning a case is an entirely different agenda.  And the plaintiff will have to pay in advance to any attorney in most cases.  The likelihood of a contingent fee in this example is virtually nil.

As I said priior...attorney's could teach the hookers how to be really good whores.

I say that with affection to my many legal pals...they have shared many a story with me.  Not to mention how often I have been used in an expert witness capacity.

You are watching too much of Law and Order  LOL
Posted By: Courtney.ova
Think for a minute.  
   
 A woman goes for legal help regarding a business that is running with a business license --- it is assumed, (and probably investigated periodically,) that the business is running based on the protocol that has been set for them.  
   
 She is providing information on a business who is running unlawfully, and most likely not only doing this to her. They're obviously doing these things to ladies who are also naive, unexperienced, and lack confidence. The weak ones get sucked into prostitution. Why wouldn't the government want to do anything about it? They have a free 'informant' on the case, who by the way, hasn't done anything illegal in this case.  
   
 Also, you just stabbed your argument in the foot. "The only winner(s) in this argument are the attorneys." If the attorney wins, doesn't she win? Even if they suck her dry of the money she wins, she got justice.  
   
 xo.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1334 reads
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Never ended up doing it bc I chickened out. I will say, I did feel strange at the atmosphere when I walked in --- which is why I opted out.

Some people enter situations thinking they will be strong enough to fight off the temptations or the pressure, and realize they can't, so they leave --- or sue

no_email 3 Reviews 1322 reads
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LoboGris 3 Reviews 1327 reads
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..would indicate that you are pretty far off base on this one.. google "a popular tits and wings national chain" sexual harassment case and you will see that not only can a case be brought, but successfully litigated on the part of a person working in a sexually oriented atmosphere claiming sexual harassment.. Neither logic nor common sense have been applicable in the US legal system for quite some time.

I'd put the link in, but it probably violates some TER posting policy..

oh.. and we can agree on your last comment... that might be a first...

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1687 reads
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First...no stabbing my foot.  My comment was the attorney's get paid regardless of the outcome.  Hence the plaintiffs (that's the stripper) attorney gets paid to get body slammed in court...if the judge even allowed a hearing on the case.  --- tell me why, and how many cases do you know of this?

If he doesn't allow the case to be heard due to insufficient evidence, --- how do you know they wouldn't have evidence?

the plaintiffs attorney still wins as he got paid to do nothing (aside from filing a brief). --- they all do lol. I do know a lawyer who says how he does his job… very interesting approach lol. I agree.
 
With respect to the business in question...it is selling tits and ass. --- (legally) selling tits and ass.

That is all it sells aside from watered down booze.  So when a prospective employee wants to work there, to try and use that she was forced into anything is not a defense (at least one that will have merit). --- Why not?
 
As most have discussed here the P4P goes on in the VIP rooms out of managements sight.  There are no agreements (publicly that is) to provide a house of prostitution. --- Based on what the OP says the lady in this situation was approached by management. t
 
Again, if you or anyone wants to make a case on this...there is going to be some asshole out there who will take the case on.  But winning a case is an entirely different agenda.  And the plaintiff will have to pay in advance to any attorney in most cases.  The likelihood of a contingent fee in this example is virtually nil. --- Ok
 
As I said priior...attorney's could teach the hookers how to be really good whores.  
 
I say that with affection to my many legal pals...they have shared many a story with me.  Not to mention how often I have been used in an expert witness capacity. --- have they shared stories about strippers? Examples?
 
You are watching too much of Law and Order  LOL --- I don't watch TV. :)
 

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Dr Who revived 1849 reads
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Go ahead and hire the attorney that C.o posted about...I'm sure he'll be very excited to get your advance retainer and get cracking on this multi-million dollar harassment suit  LOL

All you'll need prove is that she was being forced into prostitution.  And of course a text is damning evidence.  Maybe she just walks out the door?  NOPE...you would suggest she bring a complaint against the club for forcing her into prostitution from a text.

And you claim to be a CEO...that travels  LOL

Some of you guys are just so incredibly naive in how the games are played.  But then I've been in too many courtrooms listening to asswipes argue cases that were virtually baseless.  I've also watched judges berate attorney's for their idiotic and pointless arguments.

Perhaps you should go and help this poor gal out.  Pay the attorney...make sure you get included in the suit so the defense attorney's can have fun with you.  And they also get to file their counter-complaint against your baseless allegations...a text indeed  LOL
Posted By: ceotraveling
she has the text from the idiot VIP Jug Head that clearly hangs himself and therefore the establishment as it relates to him pushing her to have sex with a guy that paid for the VIP.  
   
 Case closed = win.

no_email 3 Reviews 1377 reads
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and valuable use of resources?   lol  :-D

 
All hail Google!

Thoracicsurgeon 1656 reads
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Sounds to me like you are really just fishing for information in a voyeuristic way.

I concur with the other posters.  Stay out of her business.  If she needs someone to save her, then let her ask and perhaps help her find people who have trodden her path themselves rather than trying to reenact 'Pretty Woman'

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1496 reads
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something.

Really, I don't buy the fact that a stripper has no say in what happens in her workplace, especially if they try to force her into prostitution. Sorry.

Dr Who revived 1484 reads
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YOU (or the OP's gal pal) had an option.  YOU knew that shit was going on that you didn't want to participate in.  YOU elected to leave.

But the OP is a mangina of the supreme kind.  He is all over posting this kind of shit and wants to WK for some gal.

Hey...if the OP wants to pay for her legal fees to get the shit kicked out of her...I say "go for it".  The lawyers make some money...the OP can tell the stripper gal that he is "saving her"...everybody wins  LOL
Posted By: Courtney.ova
Never ended up doing it bc I chickened out. I will say, I did feel strange at the atmosphere when I walked in --- which is why I opted out.  
   
 Some people enter situations thinking they will be strong enough to fight off the temptations or the pressure, and realize they can't, so they leave --- or sue

Littlestinker 1782 reads
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You win hands down and are in the lead for PUSSY of the year keep up the good work.

 Yes I agree with here when you proclaim yourself a Dick I truly appreciate your honesty on that
considering how hard you work at it.

AnotherDonJohn 1697 reads
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And a marketing blog from an attorney is a far cry from legal precedent for winning or even forcing a settlement.  

It comes down to he said-she said and what you can prove (written or video).  

Regardless, it's a probably very fine line (for a jury) between soliciting for legal and illegal extras in a private stripclub champagne room.  

Put it this way. If i were the manager/owner, i wouldn't settle unless she caught me red handed on crystal clear video with audio, clearly threatening her with losing her job unless she had sex with a client. And the bouncer is not the management. I would just fire him as a scapegoat if necessary.

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AnotherDonJohn 1691 reads
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Elsewhere, he's talking about quitting hobbying for a SO but is posting ISOs and these voyeuristic fantasies.

LoboGris 3 Reviews 1808 reads
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another dipshit heard from... google didn't tell me anything.. it provided a link the article I was looking for at bit faster than running down to the library and flipping through the microfiche files..

even CPA is more constructive in his comments and criticisms than you are.. do you just enjoy wasting bandwidth ? it that how you get your rocks off ?

ceotraveling 30 Reviews 1400 reads
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and clueless about the legal system.

I never said she should do anything but leave so read before you spout your ignorance as usual.

As always, feel free to pull you bottom lip over your head and swallow.

Dr Who revived 1288 reads
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there are hundreds of losers.

And as you suggest...the legal system here is skewed to those who have some money.  And putting this type of a case out there is a sure fire way to throw good money after bad.  Unless there's someone out there with a set of circumstances that would actually be arguable.  And who have VERY deep pockets to argue the merits of a case.

And even then I have often seen an "iron clad" case be a loser.  And more importantly, the amount of money to "teach someone a lesson" is very expensive.

Frankly the OP's stripper pal would be better served working with the DA and try and prove criminal activity (after all their argument is being pimped..or pandering in this case).  Of course she doesn't get any money for her time...but if successful she could get the joint closed down...for some time  LOL

When I read the silliness such as has been posted here about how the judicial system "should" work...it simply tells me that those folks have never ever been in a courtroom.  But they do watch Law and Order!
Posted By: LoboGris
 
 ..would indicate that you are pretty far off base on this one.. google "a popular tits and wings national chain" sexual harassment case and you will see that not only can a case be brought, but successfully litigated on the part of a person working in a sexually oriented atmosphere claiming sexual harassment.. Neither logic nor common sense have been applicable in the US legal system for quite some time.  
   
 I'd put the link in, but it probably violates some TER posting policy..  
   
 oh.. and we can agree on your last comment... that might be a first...

AnotherDonJohn 1700 reads
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You need a written communication proving he was told to do that.

I'd be very surprised if that exists.  

Savvy managers/owners are in that position, and not simply bouncer,  for a reason. Lol

Now I don't think you're a real CEO.

More a self styled pres/CEO shiester type who swindled some seed money and is basically running a Ponzi until it fails. You certainly don't appear to have a legal department. That's for sure.

angelexotic See my TER Reviews 1305 reads
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I met someone I really liked and I also feared.this man in particular was just not the person you would want to get caught lying to. never the less I came clean about my massages with the hand jobs in the few gfe people I had started seeing. we worked it out and I moved in with him and I found a place to go to cosmetology school nearby.
after working several different minimum wage jobs being up at 5 in the morning then going out to school from 5 to 9 and not getting home till 11.
as well as not having support our financial help from either parent.
not having the proper attire I was expected to wear for school. I was rolling pennies for gas and I had to switch to JP ligets.
I persuaded him to let me dance as it is very common for women to dance while they're going to school especially if they do not have any financial support from family. he took me around and showed me a few clubs he approved off and I chose one. I won't say any names the one I chose is on Salisbury beach and there is a no contact rule. there are bouncers everywhere and the customers must a arms length away. even during the dances.  
the man who owns it has both of his daughters working there as well as his wife.  
so at that place there was obviously never anything going on like that.
I worked at another club in downtown Boston and 3 in Rhode Island.
and a bachelor party company in Malden which no longer exist, or moved to a different location or something.
there was not a one where anyone in couraged extras.  
there was one where it was a little obvious that it was going on and it had a reputation for being as such.
but it was extremely down and dirty and scary there and you would know it before going into that that's the kind of place is it was it was very low end.
of all the other places except that one they were all places that forbid that.  
in fact you have a reason to get very angry if gentleman expect that.  
for me I was there because I was trying to change my life I would get very angry if anyone ever expected anything in VIP from me and I would not feel bad about taking their money and not doing the appointment they had expected they get.
I got 375 from a guy wants for a private at a certain upscale huge club
he got mad he thought he was going to get an extra and walked out on me
I was extremely mad because shame on him to go into an entertainment clubs and expect a model and answer to provide prostitution.
being a dancer is being a dancer and doing extras is doing extras.
they are two separate things if you do choose to do the extras the people should be very careful because it can cause the club to get fined and shut down.
one of the clubs I worked out did get find several times
I am unsure what kind of a gig she went to but it sounds like it was a bad experience
I hated dancing every minute of it and I am glad I don't have to do it anymore

Dr Who revived 1429 reads
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Don't you have a sexy girlfriend that you're supposed to go and kiss her ass?

Guess not...you are too busy saving the strippers (and hookers)  LOL

Next idiotic post from you?  You will post it..won't you?
Posted By: ceotraveling
and clueless about the legal system.  
   
 I never said she should do anything but leave so read before you spout your ignorance as usual.  
   
 As always, feel free to pull you bottom lip over your head and swallow.

ceotraveling 30 Reviews 1743 reads
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You are enjoyable to play with.  Like dealing with a 2yo

no_email 3 Reviews 1526 reads
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I have more support for a woman's right to make the decision, that do not place her in those situations to begin with... You are looking out for are femme fatale, I want her to have to the prudence to look out for herself as well.

Dr Who revived 1554 reads
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It's the way the legal system works in the US.

One day we can have a long chat about how the games are really played in courts.  

Especially fun are those that go on in Family Court  LOL
Posted By: Courtney.ova
something.  
   
 Really, I don't buy the fact that a stripper has no say in what happens in her workplace, especially if they try to force her into prostitution. Sorry.

AnotherDonJohn 1484 reads
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Conflating the two doesnt help your point. The hooters girl serves food and doesn't take men back to an empty booth to at minimum let them fondle her with clothes on. The lines drawn there are publically light years apart.  

Skeezy strip clubs even would have no problem defending themselves. Not to mention huge chains like Ricks, Hustler's, and Penthouse which have entire legal departments.  

And regardless, you need evidence.

-- Modified on 2/4/2014 3:19:01 PM

Dr Who revived 1658 reads
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Since you're so busy running that empire of yours...and saving the teeny-boppers from prostitution.  LOL

Posted By: ceotraveling
You are enjoyable to play with.  Like dealing with a 2yo.  
   
 

AnotherDonJohn 1440 reads
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Pls go play with the girlfriend now.  

We know you're not anything of a CEO. Lol.

ceotraveling 30 Reviews 1563 reads
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It must be difficult to be you.  I have no doubt you sit alone, living on these boards and hoping you are not turned away by the next provider.

I know your kind.  See it all the time.  The angry CPA, always thinking they could be the one to run a company but just don't have the skills.  Thinking that you are the smart one in the room.  Tough to swallow, I know but you can try to run a company.  

Maybe something small for your to start with like a paper route or a nice bagel place.

Start small little one and you can grow from there.

no_email 3 Reviews 1770 reads
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I don't give a shit about some lawsuit.

 
What's next, an I bought some bad coke at the same strip club

Dr Who revived 1440 reads
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Not according to some of your recent posts elsewhere  LOL

Best to STFU and quit while you're only this far behind.

Dr Who revived 1430 reads
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And for some CEO that is a world traveler I would expect more.

But from a lonely fella that is chasing teeny-boppers into strip clubs hoping to show them how suave you are...I expect nothing less.

Good guess on how I run my life...but unfortunately it's not close.  Better luck next time.

I'll also bet that you don't have a IRL GF.  That would just be too bizarre given your posts on these boards.
Posted By: ceotraveling
It must be difficult to be you.  I have no doubt you sit alone, living on these boards and hoping you are not turned away by the next provider.  
   
 I know your kind.  See it all the time.  The angry CPA, always thinking they could be the one to run a company but just don't have the skills.  Thinking that you are the smart one in the room.  Tough to swallow, I know but you can try to run a company.    
   
 Maybe something small for your to start with like a paper route or a nice bagel place.  
   
 Start small little one and you can grow from there.

AnotherDonJohn 1396 reads
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Best way to show you got creamed in your argument.

IRL, you couldn't even get an email reply from me in my professional role not to mention get in our building. Lol.

Dumb--s.

AnotherDonJohn 1137 reads
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You should stop while you're only this behind.

It's just becoming apparent that you are no real CEO but a guy who at best plays at it at a two-bit fake company. Do you even know what a shareholder is? Doubtful. Or else you'd be accountable to them and not stupid to even mention your role on a fuck board.  

As it is, you play at a fantasy of having some power, while your betters here likely wouldn't even let your shiester ass in the door of our work establishments.  

The truth rings true and is not just postering.

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 1609 reads
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Hence his digging to get into the Olympic Village.

Wanna bet he tries to save a few of the rhythmic gymnasts as well?

perfectstorm 19 Reviews 1300 reads
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that it's a true story, it is definitely the exception and not the rule at strip clubs. My info comes from 40 years of patronizing strip clubs, dating a few strippers, befriending many, and also befriending bouncers, staff, bartenders, and owners of strip clubs

captain7 1453 reads
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Old MacDonald had a farm, e-i-e-i-o.....

-- Modified on 2/4/2014 4:05:05 PM

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Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1476 reads
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and when I pulled into the drive, it hit me.

The problem isn't the girl, nor is it what she does. It's the judicial system.

Thanks for the ass kickin'. It was a ton-o-fun! LOL :)

On to the next thread.

Thoracicsurgeon 1989 reads
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I bet that business is thriving under your visionary leadership!  CEO and traveling dogsbody perhaps?

So maybe you did say to leave, and nothing more.  But why then are you fishing for voyeuristic fantasies on this board.

If you really want to know that stuff then why not just write something closer to the truth, like: "I have a fantasy about saving a girl who looks just like Julia Roberts from an abusive strip joint that was trying to pimp her out for sex.  Can any of the girls on this board help me fill in some of the blanks in my fantasy by answering a few questions?"

At least if you did it that way, you wouldn't suffer the torrents of abuse because of your terrible lurking ways.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1540 reads
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a very bad one, but still. No one has to know.

I sensed drugs. The thought of prostitution didn't even cross my mind back then. Believe it or not, I was oblivious to all of this. I even thought escorting was a no-touch game, lol. Even played a visit that way with another girl. We were hot too.

I didn't like that visit, so I went the strip club route, thinking it would be more distant from the men --- my reasoning was because the visit my friend and I made was too up-close and personal.

Again, when I walked in, I immediately sensed there was heavy drug use there, even before I looked at any of the girls. But one offered her shoes for me to borrow. It was cute.

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Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1474 reads
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Perhaps you can discuss your differences, maybe identify with each other on insecurities or questions related to the hobby…  

I've also reserved a suite at the Ciberus. Check in is at 3, check out noon.

Carry on.

-- Modified on 2/4/2014 3:32:27 PM

HooktardGold 1389 reads
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Some of the best clubs have hookers...  I remember one that would send a bus for the VIP guys, and transport them to private parties set up by the club. It was 300 a pop to get in and got you 2 girls, free food, and open bar.  There are cameras in most VIP rooms nowadays, but the door man is who you tip out to take care of that. It's really not all that strange of a thing, in ANY club. Some owners promote it, some don't but it's more about greed and stupidity vs. being upscale or not.

LoboGris 3 Reviews 1141 reads
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Hooters... uses provocatively dressed young females to serve over priced drinks and wings to male customers.. has a business license and presumably pays taxes on operating profits..

Strip Joint.. uses provocatively dressed young females to serve over priced drinks and wings to male customers.. has a business license and presumably pays taxes on operating profits..

depending on the legal jurisdiction, the degree of difference in "scantily clad" may not even be noticeable..

yep.. absolutely light years of difference.. I think I got it now so thanks for your enlightenment.

AnotherDonJohn 1355 reads
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quadseasonal 27 Reviews 1406 reads
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If she is an hourly employee ,  she might have a case .  
That's another reason gentleman club strippers are hired as  independent contractors  .

Posted By: Courtney.ova
Because she shook her tits in front of a crowd legally, and rejected someone for trying to manipulate her into prostitution?  
   
 Hmmm…

Dr Who revived 1349 reads
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And in most cases it would be argued that they are employees.

If they are independent a number of tests need to be met...and I doubt they even meet one of the 10 that are used for that test  LOL

But a nice way to try and skirt the payroll tax issue  ;)
Posted By: quadseasonal
 If she is an hourly employee ,  she might have a case .  
 That's another reason gentleman club strippers are hired as  independent contractors  .  
   
Posted By: Courtney.ova
Because she shook her tits in front of a crowd legally, and rejected someone for trying to manipulate her into prostitution?  
     
  Hmmm…

2labman 26 Reviews 2092 reads
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Went to a strip club in Charlotte (very nice place downtown) and took a girl up to the VIP room after we had a nice talk downstairs.  I was used to being told at other clubs that my hands had to stay on the back of the couch, but she was grinding and apparently having a good time so I asked if I could touch.  She leaned over, said "That's what I'm here for, honey!" and stuck her tongue through my ear to tickle my tonsils.  She had no problem with me doing anything I wanted with my hands and she slid her hand into may pants a few times for some strokes.  Great foreplay!
After a second lap dance (of course) and we were walking downstairs, another stripper that was upstairs putting her outfit back on pulled the girl aside, saying excitedly "You're not supposed to do that!  If they saw you do that on one of the cameras, they'll fire you because of the police!"  
My girl looked for the cameras and there were places that they could have been, behind some plastic screens.  She said to me "Don't worry about it, honey.  Just let me get you down in Fort Lauderdale and you can do anything you want!"
Conclusions:
1.  They have surveillance cameras, almost certainly are taping.  Didn't sign up for that.
2.  Despite local ordinances, LE will vary with what they allow in different areas, maybe by different clubs depending on relationships.
3.  If doing a VIP dance, always spend a few minutes before committing to build some rapport, then a minute into the dance, ask if you can bend the rules.
YMMV

2labman 26 Reviews 1354 reads
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A lot of clubs hire the strippers as independent contractors, not employees.  That may limit liability.

AnotherDonJohn 1470 reads
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How many hooters get zoned out of residential areas? How many strip clubs? Ever heard the term "Red light" district?
 
How different is a stripper from a dancer wearing the same clothes to start? Have you ever read the entertainment trademark of Jenna Jameson? ...I'll enlighten you. It has a specialized set of language for erotic services. You would not need this trademark to cover your time at Hooters but you would at a strip club.
 
Of course if you want to sit there and make the (dumb) straw man's argument that Hooters girls are scantily clad and have a business license, therefore they are the same as strippers, you look the fool. The operational definition of allowing nudity and groping puts it under the category of sex services. The business license is different. or do you think all businesses get the same license? Doi. That's what puts light years between a waitress and a stripper, however they are clad, for the purposes of a potential sex harassment suit...Not the clothes. Lol.

Posted By: LoboGris
Hooters... uses provocatively dressed young females to serve over priced drinks and wings to male customers.. has a business license and presumably pays taxes on operating profits..  
   
 Strip Joint.. uses provocatively dressed young females to serve over priced drinks and wings to male customers.. has a business license and presumably pays taxes on operating profits..  
   
 depending on the legal jurisdiction, the degree of difference in "scantily clad" may not even be noticeable..  
   
 yep.. absolutely light years of difference.. I think I got it now so thanks for your enlightenment..  
 

HeathersLuv4u See my TER Reviews 1458 reads
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She can legally fuk him up.  
Law now allows victims to sure these predators.
Laws have caught up with these predators. First step in minimizing the abuse by others like sexual exploitation.

Jacque_Jenesais See my TER Reviews 1799 reads
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