This hobby to me is different than the usual business world, but part of this scene is being friendly and personable. Fulfilling the fantasy is part of the providers performance isn't it? I also know that with no pay, there is no play. Put whatever spin on it you want. I can see that you are having a good time, as am I and all the other hobbyists here.
I'm about to go eat lunch. When I'm done, I'm going to ask the restaurant owner to write a review on me.
After lunch, I'm going to get a hair cut. Afterwards, I'm going to get the stylist to write another review of me.
Makes about as much sense as yesterday's thread.
It's not like it's a new idea, it's one of the most beat to death topics we have here, almost as bad as Dick size threads and "I've fallen for a provider" threads.
and every time one of these tired old subjects gets rehashed the person that brings it up thinks he/she is the first to think of it.
So maybe your analagy doesn't quite hold up. I think the ladies having a forum to provide honest feedback about guys is important to their safety. Perhaps to some extent it already exists on the provider boards and blacklist sites. I don't understand why guys are getting so worked up about this concept.
My $0.02. Peace.
We also have to be careful who we communicate with via email because guys have 'white knights'.
If a lady emails me for a reference, I think twice I've had to mention behavior that she may want to look out for. Once I said don't see that fucker, he's crazy as hell. (Long time ago.) They email me for a reference, and I say how my experience was, and leave it to them to make a judgement call.
I try to give the benefit of the doubt to the guy when I'm being used as a reference, such as… "I made the mistake of… Here's what you can probably do for that not to happen. BUt I'm not sure if that's just how he is. You may want to ask a couple other providers."
It's all how you communicate; however, if there were a site where we could do it, it would be golden. There would just have to be set rules where the guy's real information couldn't be revealed.
We have damsels in distress aka hobby wives, lol.
I wonder if I can use Natane Marie or College Bad Girl for a reference
If you didn't give the provider a second envelope during an extended date because you ended the date early… you'd get a review, underground… for sure. Those reviews are to tell other ladies to get the money up front just in case the guy decides to have you set aside three nights (and reject potential dates) and decides to have you leave early, so thinks he doesn't need to front the rest.
Ladies talk appropriately when that stuff happens. It would be along the lines of "Make sure you're clear and get the money up front even if he promises a second envelope. Get it first thing."
Those would be reasons to write reviews, and quite honestly ladies should start up a site that does a play by play of their experiences with gents. Did they make the lady feel special or did they make sure the lady knew she wasn't near as beautiful as the providers he saw? Did he constantly tell you that you weren't his first choice and you were there because he couldn't get through to 'higher end' providers that weekend?
Would they be better for shorter or longer dates? Do they talk too much? Do they talk too little? Would they click with you personality? (This matters for lengthy dates.)
That way a woman can see what she can handle, and can pass the dude off to another lady politely, (or say no).
I heard recently someone saying what they thought about how much we made… along the lines of, "You're being paid this much an hour, you should be seeing…" some name that pretty much said you really have no choice on who you see. Well, had I known the way I've felt after dates with dudes who see super high - end, model type providers by the way he talked about them, … then … about me, Not worth it. I would have definitely passed. Very hurtful words, and I don't even think they realize what they're saying. I'm not the only one who admits to feeling that way.
Look at the ads and schedule if you like the pics. If you don't like the (accurate) pics, go somewhere else.
If I'm fucking someone, I want them to be attracted to my body so I can fuck him good.
So after we suck you cock dry, we'd be happy to review you. And you wouldn't even have to pay for a membership.
xoxo
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If you screen and find out that your potential client a)pays the full amount, b)has good hygiene, and c) will not abuse or disrespect you....then please tell me what more you could possibly want?
Maybe you need to take a page out of Farrahgfe's book. If all three of the above requirements are met, then maybe just think about your nails the rest of the way, since it seems to work for her.
I do not compare one provider to the next provider. All of you are unique and provide a special encounter, that I can only have dreamed of before hobbying. You are fulfilling my fantasy, not the other way around. Therefore, your performance is subject to being reviewed, since you ARE being compensated in some way I'm sure. You are not going to screw my brains out for free, right? I do not care to hear how my performance was, since most providers seem not to care whether they get an orgasm or not from clients they meet on the clock.
Now, if you are compensating me for coming over and working you up into an orgasmic frenzy, then yes, I will start worrying about what kind of review you have of me. I am on the paying end of this hobby, therefore, I write the reviews.
Just do not understand some providers need to let us hobbyists know about our performance.
It's not performance, it's experience, character traits, expectations… more a guide to help other providers know what to expect, and if they want to follow through.
I wish I would have had more than "He pays well and is laid back", because I didn't get the "He talks about how much you don't measure up to other providers the whole time" and "You're third (or more) on the list of choices and you'll hear how lucky you are to be there." Who wants to hear that shit?
I wasn't worth my full amount anyway, so there goes that money.
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Sounds like you have come across some losers in this line of work. I am sorry if that has happened. However, it still makes no sense to me to post reviews of clients. I have to agree to disagree with you on this. I guess I just don't get it this time.
"how to get the most out of your provider"
"How to get the best experience"
"What NOT to say to a provider while she's laying naked next to you."
That's my point.
Yes, you have made your point. When you create this site, drop me a line and I will make sure to check it out.
Yes, as long as it's nothing vicious I don't think there's anything wrong in women being able to say, hey this was my experience.
Some people like reading what I write because it makes it very easy to know what kind of a lover I am, if that makes any sense. You can get looks and atmosphere information from other people but sometimes you're looking for a specific "lover". I think if women disclosed a little more of that perhaps the success rate would be better.
You should write it up and ask for it to be added to the Newbie Instruction Manual. Seriously.
By writing my experiences down on my blog. Though I don't disclose any personal information so I guess it's more of a private review. But what I have done anytime someone asks me for a reference is tried to be as descriptive as possible. Not the "he's great, go for it", but more like "he likes to kiss a lot so make sure you're up for that", or "he takes a very long time to cum, make sure you've got some energy."
Knowing that someone is safe doesn't guarantee that it will be a good time for both people.
I agree with what you are saying. But you can accomplish all that in emails, pm and the provider only board. Providers that are bringing it up here have not come up with a valid reason that makes any sense to me. But you have come closer than most, I will give you that.
a)pays the full amount, b)has good hygiene, and c) will not abuse or disrespect you.
First of all abuse is relative. One guy might pummel the living daylights out of one girl, slap her and spit on her. Escort 1 might not mind being treated like that but Escort 2 might freak and mace him.
Not all women like huge cocks and so passing that info on works for both parties. He finds someone who can take it and she dodges a sore pussy and loss of income.
It is not about performance per say for the ladies pleasure but for her comfort and safety. Most don't give a flying fuck how "good" you are, but that they are comfortable and can work the rest of the day.
Hygiene is anther thing that could get passed on. Clean is very subjective.
Guys are right, their skill possibly not even a factor however things that effect safety and comfort most likely would be.
But then again, all the ladies I've seen have genuinely enjoyed my company. And it's not because I'm an especially great lay, just clean and easygoing. What's up with the thin-skinned dudes on here? Haven't you ever received a performance review at work? It's not a big deal if you can take a little constructive criticism. Besides, you might actually learn some game if you could get an idea of what a lady's preferences are.
That said, the trainwreck reviews are great for a laugh, and there's not a lady out there who doesn't have an awful story to share, so my vote is to bring them on. Frankly, all the good reviews are generally the same - at this point I just scan them for menu and red flags, otherwise they get to be pretty monotonous
If you are getting a job performance review at your job as you mentioned, then I assume that your company is paying YOU to perform. Most bosses I have encountered do not give two fucks what your review of their running the business is. Yes, there are exceptions to the rule, but usually the bosses write the reviews, not you the employee. This hobby is slightly different than the every day job, but the same holds true. I, the hobbyist / boss, compensate the provider for her performance, and yes, on occasion will post a review of her performance.
Please explain to me what I am missing here.
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Sure, this is a business and the providers should approach it with some business-sense, but it kills a lot of the fun to have such a business/transactional mindset. I feel like I'm just paying to skip over the tedious stuff, and she's free to take it or leave it.
I get why guys get defensive about the provider rants. There are some crazy bitches out there and the married dudes (which are most hobbyists, right?) especially have the most to lose when the shit hits the fan
This hobby to me is different than the usual business world, but part of this scene is being friendly and personable. Fulfilling the fantasy is part of the providers performance isn't it? I also know that with no pay, there is no play. Put whatever spin on it you want. I can see that you are having a good time, as am I and all the other hobbyists here.
enjoyed your company ? They enjoyed your money. I'm constantly amazed the men that think these young 20-something hard bodies really enjoyed going to bed with us old farts.
It's all about the envelope.
Maybe for you but I'm not an old fart. I'm actually in my 30s and can pass for 10 years younger both in appearance and spirit - "spirit" being the operative word here. So yeah, the 20-something hard bodies truly do enjoy my company because I can relate to them without condescension and they appreciate the experience and maturity I bring. I have a 55 year old friend who works at a University and the co-eds love to party with him all the time because he is such a fun person to be around. People who act like old fogies are depressing
why do you have to pay for it then ?
Discretion seems to be a top reason...the gal shows up and more importantly leaves with no issues.
Another is that some guys simply don't have any interest in the civvy chase and play that game...many argue that paying a hooker is cheaper.
I think your issue is that you think that the gals in P4P actually give a rats ass about how YOU perform. And you need to satisfy your ego by honestly bullshitting yourself that they really do like you. No problem...I get it.
I've been in P4P for quite a few years...starting in my 20's. I've also had more civvy fucks than I can count over the years as well. It all depends on what works best for you.
But in both cases I pay for sex. We all do. Simply how to categorize that sex seems to be your concern. What I haven't had is a Sugar Mama...but that's something that really never fit my personality. But make no mistake...that is out there as well. Give that a whirl and let us know how that would feel to be a kept man LOL And I trust that your Sugar Mama would not tolerate you being bad at DATY...if so I doubt she'll be shy at letting you know.
why are you? you can't really think all escort clients are old fat and stupid, unless you are Fido's new persona? many guys from all ages, races, professions and caliber seek out escorts. we don't pay for sex.. we pay them to go away when we are done. dumbass.
The short answer is the obvious one: I'm married. P4P offers less potential for complications. Also, the providers who excel at this are a rare breed, indeed - totally worth every penny.
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OP made no sense, so I didn't read any replies.....C'mon guys, post something that means something.
Swim
Is it a silly thread? Yes. But is it any worse than the usual drivel that get's posted here? I think it's better than the standard dick size, where should I come, shaved or natural, implants or not, and why no black men threads.
I mean, most providers ask for references before agreeing to a first appointment. When I've asked some of my favorite providers what happens when they get an email looking to get the "juicy details" on me, I'm always told more or less the same thing: "I always say, 'Yes, he's nice/ok/clean, the right amount of money was in the envelope, he's fun, have a good time'".
How much more does any provider need in the way of info on potential clients than that? Clients don't really need to "work" to push themselves from an "8" to a "9" or "10". I mean, that's what the money's for, isn't it?
If I worked on my appearance (or even my "technique"), how does that help me? Is a provider going to give me a break on her rates? I'd kinda doubt it.
Yeah, there should be a shitlist so that providers can avoid the guys who are deadbeats, time-wasters, etc. Besides that, who cares about this stuff?
But the experience could be enhanced by knowing stuff about you. Do you kiss a lot? Do you talk dirty or stay silent the entire time? Are you an ass man? There's many things that you do that you may not necessarily disclose before a meeting.
If it's in the back of someone's mind and they act on it to make your experience better, that's a good thing.
Is he rough?
Does he respect boundaries?
Is he large in the cock department?
Does he want to pound you the entire time?
What is his attitude toward women?
Every one of these questions can make the choice a little easier for a provider to decide if she wants to see the guy. Not all escorts I imagine are up for whatever a guy throws at them. AGAIN it is not about the appearance, the skill factor but about other variable that can make a session good or a freaking nightmare for both.
Not every escort will just take it and not every escort is afraid of a bad review and will shut it down. Knowing these things can avoid that.