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Re: Your so wrong doing this.
BoomerChi 58 reads
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What does doing an interview regarding TER and review culture have to do with decrim?

And I am not a troll - and I know providers for and against.  I know many Canadian providers who said it caused a huge rate drop, loss of business due to clients worried about their discretion.  I know others who are all for it.   On twitter you should read some accounts of Nevada escorts complaining heavily of insane house fees and regulations that degrade them.

Surely as an activist you know all this, unless your in your own bubble surrounded by those who agree with you.  It's ok, it happens to the best of us.

But lets just say that decrim was your goal with this interview (which you stated it's not) - in the advertising wasteland after Sesta / Fosta and that we can post an ad her for free - why expose it like that?  How exactly, did that help since decrim is a far way off?

Hello everyone!!

I am being interviewed today by ABC news out of New York about TER. Will post when you will be able to listen to/read it!!!  

xoxo
Scarlet

WHY, we want as low a profile as possible///// WHY ????

Since TER requires escorts who post in the ads forums to have a TER banner on their websites, the idea that they want to be low profile ... as they say in Texas, that dog don't hunt.

Yes, I agree. WHY!
So, now after your interview the search for TER on Google will be enormous.

I think everyone else wants to keep TER out of the loop and not bring alot of press.  

Cause, I'm sure newsreporters will wanna reachout to TER for interviews.

SMH,

I remember someone on the Minnesota forum was excoriated for talking to a local weekly.  I thought the blowback was unwarranted, since TER is open to the public -- I'm sure LE is aware of it.

So it is only the general public who will read about it (and probably cause some would be mongers to join.)

I found out about TER from a story in the New York Times around 2007 or 2008. I lurked for around a year before I anted up for membership.  
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TER was not the subject of the story. It was something mentioned in a sentence to two.

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Re: Incoming!!!
I remember someone on the Minnesota forum was excoriated for talking to a local weekly.  I thought the blowback was unwarranted, since TER is open to the public -- I'm sure LE is aware of it.  
   
 So it is only the general public who will read about it (and probably cause some would be mongers to join.)
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Tell them you've been victimized and this whole evil thing must stop.  
If you tell them the real story they won't want to listen.

Expect to spend time in jail afterwards and get a college scholarship.!!

Everyone stay calm....everyone knows TER is back up and running. I am not saying anything that anyone does not know already. And it is more about the review culture in general of sex workers, not just TER in specific. I will be giving a positive outlook, they will also be interviewing a few gals that have a negative aspect to reviews in sex work.  

And I also hate to break it to you boys, but I am VERY vocal about the decriminalization of sex work and have done LOTS of interviews, and I also use my real name. The more we talk about sex work, the more we talk about decriminalization, the more we normalize sex work the better and faster we will get the laws through to decrim. Sex work should not be something that lurks in the shadows. Sex work should not be illegal.  

I am a sex worker, but I am also a very vocal supporter and advocate for the decriminalization of sex work. You should be too.  ;)

WICardinalfan74 reads

I hate big government.......yeah, go spit on my posts.  

I get why you are doing this, and a part of me agrees with you.  BUT.........if the hobby (notice I did not say sex work) were to ever become legal, it will become regulated.  See prices go up or profit margins go down.  And least we forget about all the Dr. visits you gals will have to make to stay "safe".  Weekly, not monthly or quarterly, or however you chose to do so now.  

I started in the hobby via a legal Vegas brothel, and became friends with one of the ladies there.  I learned a good deal about regulation nation and legalized prostitution.  Most of it not inviting.

yeah, I want my prices low. Many of the apt. girls I met didn't even have S.S. number and wouldn't be able to get into the legality of work.  
But then that side of the hobby wouldn't change. Hey, it's not my fault some providers don't have documents. How else some of them will support their families back home? I'm proud to have helped so many people in a small way.  
When I see bums on the street and ask me for money. In my mind I go "I can't help you. But I already help somebody and that makes me feel good".  

I too support sex work(ers) and don't know if it should go legal or not.

Please read my message below. We also 100% support illegal immigrants working in massage parlors or as independent sex workers without the harassment from police or ICE.  

I am all for consenting adults to do as they choose with their own bodies. but we have always had immigration laws, and we have them for a reason. As much as I like my AMP girls, K-Girls, Latina providers et al. and I would hate to see any of them deported they are subject to the same laws as everyone else.  

 
Try going to any other country and overstaying your visa, without borders a nation ceases to be a nation. I'll make you a compromise though, let's get rid of all the illegal alien vegetable pickers and landscapers first and the sex workers last. lol

I am, as well as all other sex worker rights groups, advocating for decriminalization, NOT legalization. This would remove the laws that make it illegal, without regulation to make it "legal". Essentially it would function as it does now, without the laws in place that cause it to be illegal and cause the arrests.  NONE of us are advocating for legalization, which would put licensing requirements and regulations in place. The group I work with assisted with bills that were put forward in New York and Washington DC. Both were sidelined at the end of 2019, but we are going to work again to get them going. Ultimately we want to put bills in all 50 states.

And we need to remember the reason TER went down in the first place...SESTA/FOSTA. We need to be speaking out about how damaging this law has been for sex workers and how TER as well as many other sex worker sites was a huge loss of revenue for sex workers as well as keeping them safe.

Hell, my introductory message on my Facebook profile says "I support sex workers."

I'm not interested unless I get famous and somebody "leaks the juicy gossip" so I can catapult into fame. Or at least a viral social media platform that is positive and represents the sex industry as a positive impact on my life, which it has.

The goal is to be secret and underground, (I think?) but kudos to you for being willing to be a spokesperson for us.

Go you  

xoxo

C

BoomerChi60 reads

I'm a provider and while YOU may be comfy putting your real name (as well as making a name for yourself, I see you) and doing interviews gives you no right to expose the rest of us even further.  And yes I am using an alias, cause you sure aren't discreet and don't care about your fellow providers.

Interviews, spilling the beans on social media, telling everyone how we do everything - that's a huge part of the reason we are in the situation we are in.  And now your going to give an interview on 'review culture' and leading people to our ads?

As a dominatrix in New York you don't even face the legal issues escorts do.  But please, go give interviews cause it really doesn't put any negative repercussions on you, does it?

This is how we pay our bills,, feed our families and most of the time try to stay very discreet.   Our ENTIRE business model is based on discretion for both provider and client.  Places like this are valuable because unless you are googling escorts it doesn't really cross with the public.  You are changing that.  You are impacting other workers discretion and exposing them.  

But you know, get your your book deal and twitter followers and feed your ego.

How dare you have the audacity to wrap this up under the flag of  'activism.'  You should be ashamed of yourself.  

Hey!!!

First of all it is YOU'RE, not YOUR.  

Second I have been an activist for years. This is not new. And I have no book deal, nor do I care about my twitter followers. My clients pay my bills, just like yours.  

I am doing this for the sex workers who are arrested and raped. I do this for the brown and black sex workers and transgender sex workers who are arrested at twice the rate of white sex workers.  I am doing this for the sex workers who have kids. And no, illegality and not talking does not help anyone. You are being delusional if you think keeping sex work being underground will help anyone.  

Decriminalizing sex work does not take away discretion. Decriminalizing sex work means that sex workers can list sex work on a loan application for a new car or house as a legit profession. Decrim means that sex workers can sue a client if they did not pay. Decrim means lower rates of STI transmission because we can all demand condoms. Decrim means less rapes and attacks against sex workers as we can go to the police and tell of the crimes against us. . Decrim means sex workers can come forward and demand equal rights because of our profession being recognized.  

So....do me a giant favor....let me know again how I am hurting sex workers and not helping them?????

Some of us learned English much later in lives and that’s ok :)

Ruh_Roh85 reads

Personally I don't think this is a smart move at all!

Because you do not want a safe working environment for sex workers as well as their clients? OK. Yes. Great idea!!!!  

And you can go to my website to see the services I provide. It is open to the public. Not a secret.

And I am 100% going to assume you are troll because NO sex workers do not support decriminalization.

BoomerChi59 reads

What does doing an interview regarding TER and review culture have to do with decrim?

And I am not a troll - and I know providers for and against.  I know many Canadian providers who said it caused a huge rate drop, loss of business due to clients worried about their discretion.  I know others who are all for it.   On twitter you should read some accounts of Nevada escorts complaining heavily of insane house fees and regulations that degrade them.

Surely as an activist you know all this, unless your in your own bubble surrounded by those who agree with you.  It's ok, it happens to the best of us.

But lets just say that decrim was your goal with this interview (which you stated it's not) - in the advertising wasteland after Sesta / Fosta and that we can post an ad her for free - why expose it like that?  How exactly, did that help since decrim is a far way off?

Canada has the Nordic model....NOT what I am advocating for.  

I have worked at a brothel in NV.....NOT what I am advocating for.  

Decriminalization of sex work means the removal of laws that make sex work illegal. The whole industry would function as it is now, but without cops doing stings to bust sex workers and clients. Sex work would neither be legal or illegal, as there would be no laws in place to define either.  

There was a bill submitted in NY and also DC, a new one is being submitted in Vermont.  

My goal is now, and always has been, to make sex work a regular job. We ALL need to talk about it. Eliminate the stigma. Make is a normal job.

Oh, and just so you could clear the air, how many times have you been arrested for being a sex worker? How did that impact your finances? Your family? Your children?

BoomerChi66 reads

I've never been arrested but I know those that have - it sucks.    

But here, again, is you hiding behind activism.  According to you, this interview was about review culture.   Because I disagreed with you, you go on a rant about other issues and somehow I now support us getting raped and unsafe work conditions?  Really?

Or go on about how providers of color and trans providers are targeted more?  Sit down, I have news for you.  They are targeted more in every aspect of our society.  Decrim will not change that.  I wish it would, I truly do.  But your just spewing out a bullying argument not related to this thread cause I think it has worked for you in the past.  

And really, do you think that they will just decrim and not regulate?  In this country?  Pot is now legal in many states because of the tax revenue and regulation and that's the only reason why.  

But thanks for correcting my grammar.  Seems I struck a nerve?

One would think you had a tougher skin.    

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John_Laroche50 reads

and Rosa Parks should have given up her seat on that bus.

How's biz?  Are customers flocking to your new-found celebrity, or are they shying away because like most of us johns, they want to be UTR, and that's now impossible with you?

I am far from a celebrity, and business is as good as ever. I live in a super small town, less then 2K people. My clients are all regulars and they all know about my activism and support me and the decrim of sex work. And I have been doing this for years, nothing new.

the calendar on your website is all blank for the next three months.  It suggested to me that either 1) you are fully booked for the next three months and don't have an opening for even one new client, or 2) there is no business to be had right now, so why even put up a calendar showing when you are available for new clients?

 
If you're in a small town, and you are used to getting one client per week, if you continue to get one client a week, then I suppose it would be correct to say "business is as good as ever."  It would be equally correct to say, "business is as bad as ever."   So is your response that there has been no noticeable change in your business one way or the other after the ABC interview?

Not everybody is grateful.  
Here you might be risking your life for the rest of humanity but not everybody would see it that way.  
They also say that someone's terrorist is somebody else's freedom fighter.  
Most of the time I'm left or pushed aside to the middle looking at both sides. Not knowing who is right or wrong.  
Seeing good points from either side.  
You do what you think is right. Some will be on your side, some won't. I'll be in the middle saying "I don't know".
You're kind of right but so are they.  
But when are if you side wins and it's good for everybody. Almost everybody will be happy you did what you did.

I used to see a provider before she was featured in a documentary about sex workers. I can’t say for sure how it impacted her life, but I know she has not been doing well at all ever since it was released. Coincidence?

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