Ms. Kat Wilde of Atlanta is a "No Review" policy gal, and obviously one who thinks your confidential information is hers to use in any way she wishes (generally to harm you) or you could pay her extortion fee of $50.00

Bad behavior among hookers is at an all time high & I'll let my hobby colleagues know if they are being threatened.  

 
Kat Wilde
@katwildeatl
Moving forward I’ll req a $50 admin fee for anyone who initiates screening, wastes time coordinating date/time, receives deposit info, then disappears. Admin fee or BL. The time wasting is at an all time high & I’ll let my colleagues know if you waste mine w/o compensation. 💕

 
And yeah, even though many of you mocked my prescience when I predicted the Twitter bitches were trying to normalize additional screening fees, here you go, yet another example.

a ghosting (extortion) fee, not a screening fee. If one doesn’t ghost her halfway through the date setup process (probably at deposit step), then they wouldn't have to pay the fee or be blacklisted, which again is NOT a blacklist worthy offense.

that she'll apply arbitrarily to anyone who takes an extra email to book. Perhaps she has no standard for that either; she'll just label you a timewaster in a fit of pique when she is having a bad day or is annoyed at something a client might say.

 
And no, it is not a BL-worthy offense.  

 
I suppose one might be fairly sure this bitch won't extort them, because they are just too experienced to ever be labeled a timewaster. But are those guys willing to bet their PII and deposit on it? Are they so certain she won't go all BSC on them and extort them?

You think you’re advocating for client rights, but all your posts instead come off as defending your right to act like an asshole. Sorry, but in the real world, acting like an asshole has repercussions. If you don’t want the repercussions, don’t act like an asshole.

then why even spend any time looking there?

 
I don't use the site so don't know what it's like. But if your post are actually representative of what is found there why even spend time on calling out anyone. Just tell people to stay away from the site and look elsewhere when a better result is the norm.

are always used by those posting from the safety of Aliases from their already anonymous TER user name…or on the Reviewers Only Board.

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His real name is Don Quixote.  

I actually found your post both RELEVANT and true.  Lol

But infringing on customers' rights comes at a price in real world too. Usually a hefty fine and/or jаil time.

 
When choosing between an asshole standing up for customer rights and a doormat nice guy, I think the choice is fairly obvious. But maybe that's just me.  

 
I'll also choose an asshole who knows how to do his or her job well, over a a ncie guy/gal who suck at their job. Anytime and twice on Sunday. Nice guy isn't a profession. Pity that.

I use twitter to find girls like this and avoid  instead of finding out the hard way.

Seems crystal clear what her policy is.  I only hope her website is equally clear.

Nothing to see here.

If she's upfront about it, I don't see the problem.

Don't wanna pay Admin/Ghosting/Screening fees, then don't see providers that have those sort of fees in their fee structure.

"That's just [you]".   The rules that apply to customer's "rights" do not apply to illegal businesses.  We've had this discussion before, you should know this by now.  If a drug dealer sells you diluted drugs, are you going to report him to the FDA?  

Of course they do. And if they don't, the rules don't apply to both the seller and buyer equally.

 
Yes we had this discussion before and each and every time you use the biz being illegal as a sheet of excuses to justify and normalize predatory and unfair behavior.

 

And yet the moment I applied your little "rules dotn apply" theory to sellers, you cried like a lil bitch that "its not fair" to girls blah blah

 
Once again, fuck your double standard. Skullfuck them. Customer rights > your shitty double standards. And I will stand with people who fight for them or stand up for them, no matter whether they're assholes or saints.

And to each seller that violates these rights, no matter the industry, no matter the extent.  
.. I can only hope from the bottom of my heart, that he or she (I don't discriminate!) ends up in a bankruptcy asap. You don't deserve to sell shit or make any profit if you don't respect customers rights. Fuck outta here.

the reality we operate in, and takes it out of your fantasy world that there is some kind of consumer protection option in P4P.  The only thing you can do is write a factual review of the encounter, or a rip-off report if you got scammed.  That's more redress than you have with other illegal enterprises,  but it's still not the same as buying a bad appliance from a retailer.  

There are no rights in an illegal business. Take your ideas about customer service and throw them away, they don't exist in this world.

You can tell the cunts vs the non-cunts.

lol.   unfortunately she is in a service industry.  that post is not going to give the clients the warm and fuzzy.  

If there are no rights, then neither seller nor buyer has any. Do you agree with that? If it's wild wild west, it's wild wild west for EVERYONE. If that's the case, the moment I hear someone saying something is not fair for the seller, is the moment that someone becomes a double-standard wielding hypocrite.

 
That also relates to the initial comment I've replied to, which claimed that, I quote directly from the source, "but in the real world, acting like an asshole has repercussions". In real world, infringing on customers rights ALSO has repercussions.

 
But in this world, if customers don't have rights then there is no repercussions here for being an asshole either. You don't get to pick and choose.

 
But me I'm a simple man. You infringe any of my fellow customers rights I'll make sure your infringements are public and in big, red letters you can't miss. And when a seller who infringes on customer rights gows bankrupt, I'll throw a party to celebrate the occasion. Fuck em. The less physical and mental capacity they have to infringe further on customer rights, the better.

being an asshole is blacklisting.  If you are okay with that, then you have the level playing field you seek.

Agree. If you don't like the way an org or lady treats you your remedies are (1) write a bad review, and (2) don't go back. Similarly, when an org or lady thinks you're an asshole or doesn't like your style, performance, cleanliness, etc, their remedies are (1) blacklist you and refuse future service, and (2) tell other orgs/ladies to avoid you. It's a 100% equal system.

I don't see any level playing field here.

Either all rights apply or none apply. And if none apply, sure - seller can do whatever to customer but also customer can do whatever to seller.  

 
To sit here and to say rights only apply to the seller is disgusting.

Those who think seller can do whatever the fuck he/she wants and customer cant because it's a illegal market but then turn around say there's no assymetryin the biz are the worst. Word to cks.

You have the right to walk out any time you want, and they have the right to BL you anytime they want.  If you want one side to have rights the other side doesn't have, then you're not looking for a level playing field, you are looking for an unfair advantage.   In the case of an escort or agency, what are you going to do, report them to the BBB?  It's an illegal biz.  Every seller has a right to sell pussy on their own terms and to exclude those that don't agree to the terms, just like other businesses who display a warning sign that they "reserve the right to refuse to do business with anyone."  You get the last word with any vendor, because you have the right not to do business with anyone you choose.  Hopefully, you don't run out of vendors because you have pissed them all off.  

1. This topic has nothing to do with being BLd or walking. The topic is about an "admin fee".

2. You - and another person - have just told me earlier in this thread that customer has no rights.
Now you're saying he has rights. Why don't you make up your mind, will ya?

Yes I agree. Either both sides have all the rights or no side have any rights

 

So what does it make someone who mocks anyone complaining on infringements of customer rights yet yells "it's unfair" when someone infringes on seller rights? To quote you, it would be someone seeking unfair advantage. So why are you seeking an unfair advantage to the seller?
Since you constantly make fun of people who complain about customer rights being infringed on. Yet when it is seller who is infringed on you suddenly claim "it's unfair". Boo hoo, either you don't mock customers rights being in the shitter or you don't ever say something is "unfair" to the seller.

The OP quoted a rather clear statement about the terms to engage with the provider and the reason for the policy.

 
Don't like it of don't trust her don't see here. There IS NO rights violation presented in the OP. Merely some speculation and fear mongering. He might have had a point, and provided you one as well, had the post been about having gone through the process, made a very good faith effort to schedule an appoint and then have HER ghost him and claim pay up or BL.

 
But that was not the story provided.

Sure. And my initial response was to the person who mentioned customers rights and being an asshole and repercussions. The whole thing even sounded like a threat.  

And I get triggered instantly when someone tries to infringe on customer rights.
My response was to that person.

 
"Don't like it of don't trust her don't see here" (sic)
I put sic in there just to make sure you don't claim I misquote you.

 
That's not how it works either. You and others seemingly think seller can set any rules and buyer cannot complain to or warn others about a practice he disagrees on. Seller can do whatever the fuck and the only customer right is to either say yes or no to see her. Not only it's an inherently assymetric arrangement,  it is an untrue one. Customer has a right to complain about the said practice, customer has a right to tell others to not see such provider. Customer can be worried that others will also start charging these fees

 
In a bidirectional biz, business decisions are made with customer in mind. You devaluing it to a mere "take it or leave it" choices is too simplistic and ignores nuance and gives an unfair advantage (in cdls words) to the seller. Having one side do what it wants and the other what it can, is certainly not a symmetric arrangement.

was not standing up for customer rights whatsoever. He was just ranting against some providers published policy.

 
Nor did I say anywhere you cannot complain. I said if you don't like some businesses policy don't do business with them. Actually I'll just quote the full statement you selectively quoted.

 
"Don't like it of don't trust her don't see here. (sic) There IS NO rights violation presented in the OP. Merely some speculation and fear mongering. He might have had a point, and provided you one as well, had the post been about having gone through the process, made a very good faith effort to schedule an appoint and then have HER ghost him and claim pay up or BL.

I, in fact, have lashed out at the following post

 
"You think you’re advocating for client rights, but all your posts instead come off as defending your right to act like an asshole. Sorry, but in the real world, acting like an asshole has repercussions. If you don’t want the repercussions, don’t act like an asshole."

 
I merely said how important I think the customer rights are and how there are ALSO repercussions for infringing on these rights. Then mr soapman here arrived and started his usual "but it's illegal and hence rights dont apply" bullshit...the rest is history.  

 
You could've gotten all of that by simply reading my posts, tbh.  

 
So I'll take this time to reiterate. If youre a seller and think infringing on customers rights is fine because of any fucking reason, I hope you fail. Tremendously. If you think advocating for rights is akin to being an asshole and feel like it's a reason to threаten someone for it, I hope you fail even more.

 
Customer rights > sellers feelings no matter the industry. Can't take it? Plenty of other jobs hiring.

 

As far as your comment, like I've said, I reject your "take it or leave it" part. Part of being a customer-oriented business is taking criticisms. And guess what? You don't have to actually go through with scheduling an appointment to criticize! Do you know how many companies fell on their face when social media mocked or criticized their new policies they just announced and were forced to lean back like Roy Jones? Oh, many. Them pr disasters where they scrapped the whole idea  due to big enough outcry. Every time it happened I smiled proudly. Don't underestimate the power of customers rights in numbers. Power to the people. Power to the customers. Viva la re... OK maybe that's going a bit too far.  

Salud!

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"customer's rights".  Can you enumerate that these "rights" are with respect to the P4P biz and where they come from?  Is there some kind of rule book set down by the first prostitute that has been handed down for centuries, or what?  The term very vague and ambiguous when it comes to the escort biz.  It could use some defining.  

So then when you were using that term to make your argument, you weren't even clear as to what constitutes customers rights? Lol. People usually ask for a clarified definition before arguing about the said terms.  

 
Sure,  
I can start with something very basic

 
The concept of non-retaliation. This covers all of blacklist/outing for external events not related to the actual session. Such as, including - but not limited to - negative reviews, public criticism.  

 
The concept of protection from fraud and false advertising. A customer who is advertised one thing and then bait and switched is *ever*under no obligation to proceed honoring the contract made and can terminate the verbal contract without.... wait for it... retaliation.Furthermore, anyone engaging in false advertising should face real, tangible punishment. Usually a hefty fine does the trick, although Id argue for harsher punishments as they are stronger deterrents.  

 
The concept of free speech without retaliation. The customer has the right to criticize any or all part of a business, incite any kind of consumer-related flash mob, or equivalent, to voice displeasure with any or all practices/acts of a seller, including but not limited to: schedule, fees,, availability, . Without the enactment of the said retaliation.

 
The concept of honoring a contract. A contract is a bidirectional entity that requires the seller to deliver the product as described and in full if the product can be measured by units of length, weight, time or volune, if not it can be voided. Conversely, customer shall pay for the product as agreed upon.  

 
Now let's look at the consumer bill of rights and see where these concepts sit there.  

 
The right to be informed: to be protected against fraudulent, deceitful, or grossly misleading information, advertising, labeling, or other practices, and to be given the facts needed to make informed choices.

Check, covered that.  

The right to be heard: to be assured that consumer interests will receive full and sympathetic consideration in making government policy, both through the laws passed by legislatures and through regulations passed by administrative bodies

 
Ok, basically covered it under "freedom of speech". Probably bad terminology on my part, but same concept.  

 

The right to redress: to work with established mechanisms to have problems corrected and to receive compensation for poor service or for products which do not function properly.

 
Oooh I forgot this one. Compensation for poor service. A basic consumer right.  

 
This enough or you need more?

Except that it's never been that way and never will be. TER itself was founded for exactly this reason: to bring accountability to a business that, because of its illegality, operates like the Wild West.
Except that despite TER's best efforts, the business is still what it is.
Ranting about it and calling for new "rights" is pointless. But keep fighting the good fight.

There are people on this board who claim

1) that the biz is NOT asymmetrical in any way. Clearly, they are delusional.

 
2) That since biz is illegal customers cannot have certain rights. But also make fun of clients who claim shit is unfair but when it comes to sellers they'll be the first ones who will claim unfairness towards the providers. Double standard much?

 

You are right about accountability. And my initial post was aimed at someone who said that in real life there are repercussions for being an asshole. I said that in real life, there are repercussions to infringing on customers rights too.

 
It's really just a message for anyone who think they can bully the customer because the biz is illegal. Those who think it's OK to make fun of customers getting rights infringed on but when the rabbits got the proverbial g.un and roles are reversed, they cry foul. Nah, it doesn't work this way. Either no rules exist and provider is in the same wild wild west cycle, or there are rules in place for both sides.  

Giving preferential treatment to one side when you're arguing about absence of rules, is real simp shit. Real real real.... simp shit.