...to spend it on.  They're living in "man camps."  Get on the first plane to ND.

I just read something about North Dakota stating that the jobs were crazy good their money was paid really well there but there weren't very many nurses female anything their teachers anything Lala dadaooto… If you know what I mean. Is this real I'm not sure what to think is this an Indian reservation something I don't know y'all tell me something here I'm supposed to learn don't know what it is love always

What did it have to do with the hobby, erotica, or sex?

But I'm having a lil trouble understanding you.  

Perhaps she is reading about the oil and gas industry (fracking and all that - too bad she is about a year late) and reaching the obvious conclusion that there is gold in them thar hills for everyone.

It covers many issues related to the so=called oil boon in ND.`

If you follow oil & gold, you'll be drenched in both! Just be careful, you are hot enough to melt gold and set the oil fields ablaze!

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I have a friend who runs a retail store in Billings, MT. That's the closest "city" to some of the biggest fracking fields. Friday nights the guys come to the city to buy stuff, including women. A lot of these guys are in their 20's and making six figures with overtime.

Yes, I have a friend that lives close and he warned me about the bad out there and was willing to set me up with his friend that had good ties to the community. I really would have liked to go but dealing with roughnecks, especially with my niche service, I think it probably would have seen me in situations I didn't want. The thing most people don't realize is when everyone wants to go to a small town resources are strained and over priced. An apartment was easily 1500, if you could find one! My biggest fear was the crime, that kind of work brings out some really hard workers but also was attracting a lot of criminals. It's sad but there's no easy life when too many hands wanna be in the pot!

with oil prices dropping the oil rush may have withered like a post BJ cock.

BPS iz the basterd sun of GaG and 1 of Woo'z pigz.

Think Alaska during the pipeline construction or San Francisco or Reno in the 1800s.  Lots of money and a crazy economy.  Rents are going through the roof.

I wouldn't live in North Dakota no matter how good the pay was.

and yes, she is about a year late, if oil prices don't turn around soon, the Dakotas will be full of many new ghost towns just like the ones left by the various gold booms of a 100+ years ago.

The difference is of course, that oil prices will eventually rebound, and all that oil will still be there, so I would write off ND just yet.

Not enough hotels, apartments, mobile home parks...  Guys were sleeping in tents and in cars in the ND winter to make double and triple what oil jobs were back home

At thirty bucks those towns in ND will most definitely turn into ghost towns.

now where it comes to the hobby, we do agree. Just like most boom towns, before and since, a hooker can make a LOT of money, as can anyone else selling virtually anything that the workers want, whether that be booze, gambling, sex or even a decent meal.

On last thing. Fracking does not make it "cheaper" in the case of shale formations, fracking makes it "possible" to produce these "tight" formations, it is still a very expensive process and can only be justified with relatively high oil prices. The exact figure is subject to debate as an operator needs to make a profit over and above the costs of operations to ever get a return on investment, or he is working for free. After all, somebody has to pay the millions of dollars it costs to drill just one single well up there.

First off to let me try to eplain some things....Billings the closest city?  I guess depends upon one's description of "city".  Although Fargo is about 3 hours away.  Population of Fargo metro...about 200,000.  Next, the reported barrel price of oil that would be make or break is somewhere around $30.  Fracking makes it cheaper since a well is drawing from a much larger area than normal wells.  The job market is stabilizing, will actually decrease somewhat due to the better efficiencies of the better workers.  Basically, the companies will weed out the worst workers and not replace them.  The oil boom is going nowhere.  Companies will continue to pump, ND has a weak presence of unions, an oversight government that is flexible.  

which as someone who calculates the break even points for oil development for a living, I find their numbers rather suspect, but stipulating to their numbers, I still maintain that extended $30 oil would turn these boom towns into ghost towns.

Yes, much of this high priced oil will still flow out of the ground, but without substantial new drilling the need for workers will slow to a trickle, with only the need for pumpers and service personnel, and no need for rig crews, frack crews, logging crews, etc. You can maintain existing production with less than 10% of the existing work force in ND.

The good news is as production falls off, prices will recover and we can start the cycle all over again. Aint the free market great? lol

Lets use the hobby as an example, most of us are pretty well versed in how prostitution works in this country.

Now ask yourself this question, How often do you see an article about the hobby that jives with your own personal experience?

The defense rests. lol

but they would by and large go back to the way they were before the oil boom, and from a hooker point of view, they would be in fact ghost towns.

Just out of curiosity I looked at the BP ads for ND. Would you agree that there wouldn't be one tenth of the number of ads if the oil boom were to dry up?

Yes, the DMR says all is good above $30 a barrel, but have you ever seen a government agency get their estimates about anything correct?    I am with GaG, at $30 a barrel there will be no drilling going on up there, zero.

They raise the prices of basic necessities, increase crime and typically ruin the quality of life for the locals.

I don't blame you for wishing the whole oil boom up their never happened. It is similar in many communities throughout Texas, even though I am in the oil business, I have ZERO desire to follow any of these so called booms.

We can agree...or not.  One question I do have though is this.  Your definition of a "ghost town" is?  Personally, I wouldn't mind going back to 10 years ago.  A few things to consider.  Western ND is and has been a sportsman paradise.  A lot of that is gone.  Open roads, fresh air, friendly people, a hotel room always waiting for you.  Not so much anymore.  It's a shame.  But the idea of these towns being ghost towns?  Maybe the locals could once again afford living again.  Financially, ND was fine without oil money.  70% of our economy is AG related.  I'm not here to argue about economics nor our differences on opinion on this subject...at least not here.  This is a fuck board afterall and I think we all would get bored.  I appreciate your input.

I can remember back in, I think, '08.  Had a meeting in Minot.  Looked at the BP ads and found 3 ads.  So yes, by hobby reasoning these towns would be ghost towns.  Williston would probably still have a sizeable population of providers.  Your logic of these towns being provider ghost towns...Agreed.  Although, it would bring some back over to the Fargo area.  A benefit for me.  I guess my thought process was more financially related.  Many people don't understand but ND doesn't NEED oil money.  A lot of the revenue gets put into a rainy day fund.  We don't even touch it.  ND has been in the black for years.  Lately, spending has greatly increased for services in the western part.  Infrastructure costs have boomed.  

...it is the only state in the country that has a state-owned bank.

oil industry  were making $8-12k per month with housing about $4k per month.BUT the house they showed was basically a plywood box with framed plywood walls.

This might give you an idea:

Those two industries brought a LOT of people to the state....and now there are a shortage of workers in the "regular" jobs out that way, so to reel people in, many jobs starting salaries are high as heck. Even McD's out there starting wage is between $12-$14/hr...the same for KFC, Walmart, etc. The only downside is there is NO WHERE to live, and when you do find a place, rent is sky high...so although you are making more, the cost of living is much higher out there.  

If you're lucky enough to get a house...many of the oil workers stay in hotels, which charge around $599/week (and that's just in Dickinson...larger cities, hotels charge more).  

"... Lockerby said prostitutes caught today still can be charged with breaking the law, but their sentences can be suspended or deferred if they provide information leading to the arrest of pimps..."

Hm... which begs the question: are these dudes so dense they can't figure out that they can simply bring along a camper or mobile home so as to be able to live cheaply?

and as long as it's not an old ugly pig.......

YES, Yes they are ...

thank you for posting that that is what I was talking about I just know how sensitive this board is some extra careful I get knocked off a lot for same thing so I'm extra extra careful glad you guys were some and you smarter guys understood in general what was being said North Dakota just about all there is. Then else to talk about so I was wondering if anybody had any experience with going there or talking to someone who had been there this sounds like a neat place

So everyone is only talking about money in the oil field but there is a lot of other money in the state.  Working in the coal industry I make $34/h. Top wage at our mine is $37/h. Top wage at the neighboring mine is $43/h. Top wage at the coal Power plants is also in the $40/h With a little overtime that can get into the 6 figures. My roommate works at a mine and farms with his dad. He takes home well over 150k a year. and hes a small farm.  I know that these are not Huge numbers but its a great living. And as someone mentioned its pretty easy to find a job flipping burgers for over $10/h

Check out Episode 6. It is a great piece; actually all his podcasts are really well researched and produced.