No question, just like you on your way 'ToTheMoon' could get hit by a meteor, asteroid, or God forbid an Alien Spaceship.
Well, another prostitution bust this time catching 10 ladies and I’ve said this before if the police really wanted to, even though some of you all say all that won’t happen never happened before. Police could very well get in the phone of these ladies and they can get all kinds of John’s in the call and text history. Causing severe trouble for the John’s. It’s getting to the point the government is cracking down like never before passing new walls making the punishment much more severe and you can kiss your job. goodbuy and you will not get another job because now it’s on your record. It’s getting to the point you’re better off just leaving the country for mongering..
In the past, I’ve gone to two places and had good luck the first one is Tijuana Mexico. I found this agency https://goodgirls.catalog.to/s/goodgirls/baja-california-girls/vqu some girls even advertise Bbfs under the code brb. The other one I’ve had even better luck, but it’s expensive and time-consuming to get there. I’m talking about Angel city Philippines. The sex is pretty cheap not as cheap as it was but you can still get a girl get everything you want for less than $100. But it’s just a matter of getting there.
Remember you get busted here in US when you find yourself sleeping on the sidewalk you’ll know why.
Because he is a cheap bastard!
Why would you think a regular that is reputable can't get caught by LE?
If she is taking new clients and advertising she absolutely can be caught just like anyone else.
No question, just like you on your way 'ToTheMoon' could get hit by a meteor, asteroid, or God forbid an Alien Spaceship.
Where was the bust? Is there an easy way to Google it?
this isn’t foolproof so you’ll obviously still have to do your due diligence, but using Signal chat and Proton mail provides an encryption safeguard. i strongly urge everyone to use those platforms to chat to keep us all safer.
If LE has that phone and access to it then they have the keys and the encryption is meaningless.
If LE/someone unauthorized looks at your texts or emails on a phone, that may or may not be a problem depending on how you've approached using these services. Protonmail and Signal are programmed to be blind on messages sent as well as most information on its users.
You can set Signal up so that you're contacting people through a user handle and not via your phone number. And additionally, you can set messages to disappear after a certain time, or set specific messages to delete for both/all parties in the text conversation. Doing these things means the only thing LE has on you is that user handle and whatever are in the contents of undeleted text messages.
Likewise, the only thing Proton really has insight into is the method of payment you used for their apps, assuming you've paid for their services. Like Signal, Protonmail emails can be set to disappear on a timer, provided the other person you're contacting is also using Protonmail. So the obvious answers here are to not use your personal credit card if you pay for Proton, consider only seeing providers who also use Protonmail, and take care around setting expiration timers on messages containing RWI or other personally identifying info.
Convenience and privacy are often at odds. And most people opt for convenience. But, if security and privacy are important to you (they certainly are for me!) then options are very much available. Good luck!
I think you missed the point. I never claimed they were not useful. I said once someone has your phone they have all the encryption keys. Anything on the phone, encrypted or not, is then as good as plain text. Do you really think anyone doing this keeps the encryption keys on some thumb drive and connects that to their phone before connecting to either of those services?
It doesn't matter that Signal or Proton offer encryption in transit and at rest and don't have access to your keys for decrypting what they store on their servers. YOU still have the keys on the device you use to transmit, receive and read/write the messages. Unless you've jumped through some hoops those keys are stored on your phone or computer.
That's not quite true. It is true in a case of an app that you open on your phone without it being protected.
If you use Proton mail with just a browser and use password/passsphrase to login, even if someone gets access to your phone it won't help them and they will need to subpoena proton, which is really tough to do in 99.99% of cases.
Its not really jumping through hoops you can just use incognito mode on most browsers, and as long as you have cookies cleaned and no keylogger Spyware, you should be good.
Sure, if people do that. AND they also don't have their phones using a trashcan that holds deleted information for some period of time AND deleting the cookies and login info is then scrubbed from the memory card and not just a case of the index getting deleted.
But the point was much simpler. No encryption survives having its keys compromised and that is what happens (unless people take some unusual steps) when LE gets your phone or laptop/computer. The other commenter seems to be saying '"no problem" Proton/Signal cannot read your stuff because they don't have the keys and its encrypted to even if LE get a warrant and gets the data what can the do?'
Your cookie and sessionid get invalidated on logout. Pretty standard procedure for any web service that relies on cookies to have sessions persist.
Even if your cookie is stored somewhere on your phone that agencies get full access to...it still won't work once it expires or is invalidated.
So as long as you don't have an active cookie or your password stored somewhere on the phone, my point still holds true.
Your point is taken, I'm just explaining how many services either don't have encryption keys stored on your phone, or could be stored in such a way that requires authentication itself.
Sure, and I will agree in those cases, when everything works as it's suppose to, that is great. But that is also just shifting to issue from keys to auth credentials and their management by the person. There is also the "as supposed to" bit as well.
Correct me if I'm wrong here as I know you're more informed in this area than I, but do these web services control the entire process of deleting at log off or are they just making calls to the OS and file system? If the latter you cannot say that the information has been deleted, even if tagged as such or even if moved to the trashcan (if present). This then move the security fail point away for people that should be well informed to some that are not thinking about security or (in the case of the average user) not all that well informed or able to think critically from a security perspective. (I.e., if I set my phone up with a trashcan as protection from mistakenly deleting something I need and cannot easily get back what did that just do to them about activities here). Is my browser one that always forgets, or do I always make sure to use incognito without fail -- or do I jump back and forth because I like having a ready history for other sites I frequently use and like?
All of these technologies can be really good at getting people off the lowest branches but the user is still a big fail point is the user and those that think "I use * so I'm good" are probably the worst at understanding where they just failed in some adjacent part of the phone system. (Master files, auto completes, history, trash bin, or stuff any number of other apps might be collecting because people give them near full control on their phones).
Very much reminds me of the YouTube video I half watched about Linux and AI where the presenter made the point about open source and security. "Linux is more secure than Windows (or Mac) because it's open source. Everyone can read it so someone will always find the bug/exploit." as so often claimed. No, what open source and everyone being able to read it generally means no one does (except those whose job or interest it is). Better than proprietary but not something you try taking to the bank. So, just using Signal or Proton should never make someone think "all's good now" even if someone gets my phone.
Everyone does need to decide how much effort they want to put into their own safety/risk management solutions but at least they should not be fooling themselves because they put a check in the box next to some apply they installed and now use.
Signal does not store any messages after they've been delivered. In the case of messages that cannot be delivered immediately, they're held for 14 days before getting deleted. All of your messages are stored locally. There's literally nothing for Signal to hand over. So, when you set certain messages for deletion/expiration on your local signal app, there's literally no way for someone to dig them up later.
Similarly, deleted emails are deleted immediately from Proton's production servers, and no later than 14 days from Proton's backup servers. So, if you send a message containing RWI or other personal information and have it set to expire (delete) after a certain number of days, it will be removed from your email, the recipient's email, and deleted from Proton's servers.
All in all encryption keys are certainly a vulnerability, but only for information that's still accessible. Since the point of this overarching conversation has become exposure risk, my argument is that this can still be controlled for with the right apps, even if someone's device is compromised.
So far, you haven't made a counter proposal, just engaged in a lot of fear mongering. So, please enlighten us. How do you personally mitigate risk?
Come on man. You're trolling us. Been doing this a long time and never once worried about LE going through a providers phone. That's just not how busts work. LE is successful when people in this lifestyle don't screen/research at all, or don't do it well.
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Put some time into it and the likelihood of you getting caught up with LE is far less than 1%. Stick to the plan, my man. lol.
Dont be lax about this. Cover your tracks.
Burner phone is a must and very easy to obtain. Text free is a great app. Free.
If you are frequenting an agency and using their parking...highly recommend you get some quick ceramic plates made for your car. You are usually being recorded when you park.
Never send deposit. If you feel you must, do the gift card thing.
Its easy to get too comfortable especially if you live where the laws are not regularly enforced.
Because nothing could possibly go wrong in Mexico. Or while crossing international borders for the purpose of buying sex.
I don't know how many thousands--or tens of thousands--of providers there are here in the good ol' USA, but I'd wager that the bust(s) you're describing account for some percentage of that population way to the right of the decimal point. Be thoughtful, be smart, be aware, and have fun.
A little more detail might make the story more believable.
I don’t think some of y’all are reading what I’m saying. LE may not be going through the providers phone, but it’s just a matter of time when they start doing it as the law keep getting stricter more complaints coming in more older women in their 40s 50s and 60 complain more and society always bow down and comply with their demands mark my words it will happen. Again, you’re better off going on a sex vacation out of the US.
Or at least don't post while you're on them.
Where is this bust?
I have heard of just one instance here in NY where they busted ladies by setting up outcalls and getting them to go to various motels where undercover cops busted them. But such operations are not common.
The good thing about this is that when cops do prostitution stings and busts, they LOVE to brag about it to the media because they can use the word "trafficking" and look like heroes and defenders of sweet innocent women being bullied and victimized by vile foreign men.....
The top LE operations are usually:
1. massage parlors - there was a big one in Queens before the 2024 election
2. motel stings for incalls
3. street-walker busts
4. agency busts - this one may actually get legit sex traffickers as would #1
A simple Google search will confirm this.
Never heard of someone taking a provider's phone and using it. It would yield a very small ROI because the first guy they nail would immediately compromise their operation. Even if he doesn't, the next guy will. And cops are not going to sit around waiting for someone to call her phone to book an appointment - they will be proactive. They would probably text a client and say something like "Hey love! It's Tasha! I hope you had a great time last time we visited. Are you free tonight? I'm running a special. Half off my hourly rate. I'll even allow BBFS just for you, baby. Only a $50 upcharge."
Nobody with an IQ about room temperature would fall for that. Not even a horny noob like me.
Is that your agency in Mexico? You provided no link. How do we know your story is even true. And, if it’s true, details are important. Not all situations are the same. And independent ladies absolutely carry less risk. Why would the popo invest time to get one lady and her clients when there are numerous agencies with multiple ladies and way more clients? This post is all fish. Dude screams bust and suggests we cross the border like that comes with no risk.
Yes. This guy is also a "Johnny-one-note" and this issue is all he can talk about. He's an ignorant bore. And most likely a troll.
Is that your agency in Mexico? You provided no link. How do we know your story is even true. And, if it’s true, details are important. Not all situations are the same. And independent ladies absolutely carry less risk. Why would the popo invest time to get one lady and her clients when there are numerous agencies with multiple ladies and way more clients? This post is all fish. Dude screams bust and suggests we cross the border like that comes with no risk.
Link to the bullshit story about a bust, not your agency.
Are those prices in Mexican pesos or USD?????
Those are really top tier prices with no guarantee you get the girl that resembles the picture....
I did post a link of the agency in Mexico, but I must’ve messed it up cause it’s not working so I have to repost it. Also I’m trying post the screenshot of the police bustI’m talking about cause I did forget to do that.. however this form is not allowing me to post a picture. And no, I do not work for this agency. I’ve just had good luck with them in the past.
https://goodgirls.catalog.to/s/goodgirls/baja-california-girls/vqu
Also, if you think you’re safe by using a burner phone, thanks again with all the new technology available to police. I can tell you right now. All they gotta do once they get a hit on a burner phone and can just put a warrant request to Google or the phone company and they can easily find your actual phone following the same burner phone as you travel with your regular phone. LE can see both phones follow the exactly route for both phones boom they gotcha.
Seriously? You know how much that will cost, both in money and in LE resources that cannot do other work? You think LE, particularly local police, have no resource or budget constraints? Get a clue.
When we watch too much CSI and FBI. Some of us watch that stuff and think every local police station is bristling with Buck Rogers gadgetry, the latest super computers, immediate connections to the latest NSA analytics, and their own Q (complete with white lab coat), ready to snare all those P4P super villains.
lol
Some people should probably read the news and see what the TN State Troopers did with all the windfall fund they got confiscating cash on the highways. What did they buy? Frozen margarita machines and games.
Most busts are related to girls who are being trafficked or minors, which I think everyone (hopefully) can agree is a good thing. It is incredibly rare an independent provider gets “busted.” So seeing a reputable and well reviewed independent provider is a real easy way to avoid that. My main concern with screening is *safety*- for you, for me, for everyone. That why it always boggles my mind when people try and avoid screening. If the provider you reach out to does not require screening- be worried. It’s a red flag. It’s why agencies get busted also- lack of appropriate screening.
This is why I don't rely on anyone to do my vetting.
what about “light screening?”
one girl asked for only my TER handle and nothing else - no selfie, no id, nothing…she was very well reviewed on here thankfully but she could easily have been LE or a scammer
If someone has reviews on TER and I’m able to reach out to a provider he has reviewed and she’s an established provider and he also PM’s me on TER to prove it’s in fact his user name, I will accept that. Just asking for a TER handle is essentially useless as far as using it for screening info. My guess is she wanted to see what kind of reviews you had, not use it to screen you.
nope, she asked only for the handle which had ZERO reviews. i ended up giving her my alias and i did say i was new and had no reviews, but she said that was fine…
i was expecting something like what you describe but nope…doesn’t matter, i had a great time with her but her being well reviewed was the only reason i went through with it
Hopefully she also asked you to DM her so she confirmed your handle . Would be easy to just say I am “xyx” and be anyone.
He would also have to have VIP to send the DM .
and NONE of them is me. So if you get an email from inicky46 you can be sure someone's fucking with you..
Tijuana might be good, never been there but my impression has been it is not quite the high class place one might head out to. But at least near and legal.
Angels City is said to have largely died these days. Metro Manila area or Cebu are probably now much better. But prostitution is not legal and if you want to worry about legal ramifications getting busted in a foreign country is often an order of magnitude worse. But lots of places where prostitution is legal so if legal consequences is your concern head to one of them.
However, the claim of life is over if you get found on some providers phone is more chicken little the sky is falling in my opinion. But there are a number of cases people can look into to see what happens to someone's life in such a case (and clearly here you're talking about just having your contact, and perhaps some texts and not caught in the act) lets have someone produce that evidence. I would say the bigger issue for many (outside celebrities, politicians and E-suite corp executives) is personal -- divorce.
Because of your prior experiences, you are hyper focused on being busted by LE. Thousands of guys and gals are in this hobby and have been able to get by. There's always a risk, just be smart about it. But you'll probably never enjoy in USA because you're looking over your shoulder the whole time.
i bet many indy providers have cops as clients
You might be surprised how many do.
Yikes! Time to put on a crash helmet, climb under the bed and bite your pillow, folks. No doubt, the End daze is here.