Let me get on snopes and find out 
Anyone ever find themselves getting attached to someone to the point you want to be more than just a client? Do you providers want that, like you're open to someone wanting to be more that just a client?
... with a provider I met in London. This was after I was first divorced and we were a couple for a while until the ocean apart just became too much of a barrier. And my current girlfriend was a provider for a number of years but left the business. So it does happen.
I would think there would be a major trust issue... but I have had one provider tell me that's her dream... the whole Pretty Woman thing...
thanks for the input.
has been translated into just about every language on the planet. Its a major recruiting tool used my agencies that specialize in luring foreign sex workers to come here to work. (I'm not talking about traffickers, just agency bookers for indie girls that don't speak enough English to do their own screening, like Asians, Russians, Ukrainians, etc.)
how well you take care of them will be a lot lower AFTER they retire than before. A giant income is no longer necessary. When taking them OUT of the business, their expectations for a luxury lifestyle are unrealistic for the kinds of guys that are willing to consider having an ex-hooker as a girlfriend/spouse. When you're a mulit-millionaire, most just find fashion models that are getting less work because they are getting older, but have never been hookers, and scoop them up for as long as they want, which can vary.
It felt good to say it, didn't it? Sure it did.
Does she know?
to the idea of leaving the business and being with just you. You just need a seven figure income and be prepared to spend in a manner that proves it during the "dating" process before she commits. Kudos to you if you can afford to take a girl out of sex work.
Oops, sorry Jack, this should have indented to the OP, not you (unless you needed this advice, too. Lol).
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that and parting with the baggage at home...
Glad you put that last bit in there. Starting thinking you were saying some of these girls really dreamed of hooking up with JD for a long term OTC relationship. Just mind boggling.
that's funny as fuck! LOL
not quite love but... she's a nice girl... lol
Many guys have met MANY "nice" girls in p4p, but you mentioned this one because she is special. You can try and fool the class with this "not quite love" nonsense but I can just tell.
You are DYING to say it. You know these words are right on and that I am totally looking into your heart because it is open for business an IN LOVE!
Just tell us...you MIGHT be in love right? Maybe? 
LOL... F-U jack... (i say that in jest, not to be offensive for real) i aint saying it... NO way NO how....
she already broke my heart anyway.... lol... i'm just a client...
looks like my last reply didn't come through, if this is a duplicate, sorry...
NO JACK.... i ain't gonna say it... NO way NO how.... lol
she's made it abundantly clear this is only a client/provider relationship... despite my stunning good looks and sexual prowess.... LOL
a client/provider relationship . . . . UNTIL you make her an offer she can't refuse.
My most successful LTR's with providers have been at THEIR suggestion, not mine. No "offers" were made on my part. The best ones have always started with HER saying "I don't want your money anymore"
Of course this doesn't happen often, but I am living proof that it DOES happen.
If you have to make the offer and money is still involved than you have NOT moved from P4P, you have simply changed the terms.
but one that is consistent with the way 99% of mongers think works in changing a hooker to a real-life girlfriend.
I agree, until I hear the words, "You're my boyfriend now, so you don't have to pay anymore," I know I am still just a client. And I also agree it lasts longer if its THEIR suggestion to go "real-life."
I certainly agree that most Hobbyists think that you can "make a good enough offer" and buy an actual relationship, but we both know those guys get the worst of both worlds. They end up with all the bullshit of a real girlfriend, they end up paying a lot more than they would in the usual hooker/john relationship AND they end up with a so called girl friend who ONLY sees them as a meal ticket.
I bet having a hooker girlfriend doesn't sound so good when put in those terms, does it. lol
OTOH if you have a hooker who simply likes/loves you and picks YOU of all the people who are throwing their money and praises at her on a constant basis, a woman like that can make the best GF. If you are secure enough to deal with her sleeping with other men of course. lol
ok, maybe i do... but i em' all.... lol
In fact, I married one whom I met fifteen years ago, but I still hobby with her blessing. (We live far apart.)
In any case, if I had it to do all over again, I'd probably wouldn't do much differently.
Having close relationships with so many women has its ups and downs, but it sure isn't boring.
Mr. Fisher,
I didn't know Beverly gives you permission to do that? She is a very liberal woman.
I thought EVERYONE, everyone who has been here as long as you that is, knew about the relationship of the Fishers. lol
Gambler, I was just being facetious. Of course we know he broke in with Ms. Fisher.
Might be worth searching a bit to get some additional insights.
You'll find that some P4P relationships have gotten serious -- I understand some have even lead to happy marriages (2nd hand info so...)
Depending on how long you've been playing it is probably a danger. The good providers are good at the what someone once called the Illusion of Passion. If you take that with you once the door closes when you leave you might have some problems. Emotional management is important if you do this looking for something more than pure physical fun.
People are people. You tend to get attached to people in your vicinity -- work, school, church, neighborhood. This soul mate stuff is BS. If there is one girl on the island, we tend to fall for her. Even Mrs Howell would start looking pretty good if Ginger and Mary Ann drowned.
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Didn't the Snopes founder divorce his co-founder wife and marry an ex-escort?
Let me get on snopes and find out
I guess it all depends of the dynamic of the relationship, platonic is okay, fall in love is very hard in this world.
I had a relationship long time with someone for about a year but his alcohol issues for much that I tried to help... did not work, and I wont put myself in that position.
I have met clients that I think... "you are wonderful, how are you still single" LOL but then again, bc they enjoy their single life, having a good time with zero attachments is that they contact me.
Sometimes the "love" is a fantasy, they can be "in love" with Veronica but... would be in love with the me in personal time, with personal obligations, and the lazy me in tank tops waking up?
mmmmmm.
on here, who have actually married their ATFs. Apparently it is not as uncommon as you may think!
A "couple" out of thousands still makes it uncommon.
i am aware of a few providers who have successfully gone of into the sunset with a client (some as far as the whole married with kids bit).
I've had a few clients who thought they wanted to make me their girlfriend-girlfriend over the years. Sometimes I wonder if they think we might become "cheaper" that way.
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LOL, cheaper? If he puts a ring on it, then it will be far more expensive than pay to play on an hourly basis.
On a more serious note and along those lines, if a guy is that serious the cheaper thought isn't even in his head, or shouldn't be if he is truly serious about you.
gets a full one-hour fuck with their wife any more, so the cost is proportionately higher anyway on an hourly basis.
Such men are called “regulars”. That said I have made pretty good friends with a few of the ladies where we hang out on occasion, get drunk and eat a meal. But I’m not looking for a wife, so it doesn’t get much further than that.
I don’t want to date any provider that would have me as a client.
Over the years I've become attached, as you call it, to a few providers. Never a serious relationship because I'm married, but a closeness that survived long after they quit the business and there was no financial transaction. Some don't seem to be carrying baggage from their past that I would have no hesitation in exploring a relationship with if other factors were different. There are also some that I am very fond of, but they can't let go of a general mistrust of men because we're all whore mongers.
I confess I met the standard type of provider, the type that physically stimulates me perfectly, but zero (sometimes negative) mental stimulation - I take what I can get . . . I don't try to hammer in a screw, can't make someone into something they are not. And I was VERY happy with this arrangement, still am. Then one day I met a girl that sealed the deal because she had a specific equation tattooed on her body . . . interesting. Then I noticed she had more math tattoos . . . I'm generally not a tattoo guy, I liked hers. Come to find out she is an amazing writer, reads tons of books (real books, not pulp), had two degrees in math and computer science and was getting her doctorate in a science, speaks five languages fluently, codes software and apps, writes articles, is an activist, plays two instruments well, sings well (has her own published music), NO SHIT she does arial acrobatics as a fuckin hobby, travels to foreign countries to do missionary work. She understood deeply Schrodinger's Cat . . . can't go into more on that, but she was very into it. Her list of amazing accomplishments went on and on. I became smitten. Fortunately, I have a family and was far away and could only visit twice a year . . . gives time to cool down.
I saw her a few times, and we respected each others time, carefully. She was adamant that sex work was work, and I knew things about her that she did not share . . . so I understood that we were friendly, but not friends. In the end, if I had met her two decades ago, I would have asked her out; but as it was, I think she was not interested and would not have reciprocated, I'm too boring for her lifestyle . . . c'est la vie. Plus there would always be that Chris Rock routine in the back of my head: if you a see a young attractive black female (this one was Asian) with an old fat white guy, it's because her credit is fucked up.
What I enjoyed most, was that she shattered my own stereotypes formed from numerous observations . . . just knowing that someone like her exists out there is exciting.
I am sure that you know this but a lot of ladies make a lot of bogus claims to make them appear to be upscale and desirable and so that they could charge higher rates. Having an advanced degree or pursuing one is a common bogus claim. As is having a "civie job". Most of those sorts of claims are false. The ladies that claim to have real jobs are usually the ones that always have an available now ad. There are many 30+ year old "coeds" or ladies claiming to be in college that have never stepped foot on a campus and have no intention of ever doing so.
I've met many a provider and stripper that play that game. I recall once, during an overnighter a provider mentioning science and religion (as a tangent to her time in college) so we got into a discussion of the double slit experiments concerning particle/wave duality and the self-awareness that the experiment seems to have (or maybe does have). Solid 15 min of explaining it, she seemed to be following very well, then the question: "What's a photon?" So we started round 3.
The particular accomplished lady I met was "dabbling" in the business . . . more for her own curiosity, I just got very lucky. Her problem was that she very large amounts of student debt, and could not afford to stay where she was studying without financial assistance. Given her lifestyle and proclivities, I guess providing seemed like an small step, inside a world that she was already involved with. I learned half of what I knew about her from her tattoos, discussions, and personal performances; the larger background came from the slip of her real name . . . talk about a double life (all consistent, all connected, but two very very different directions). She was only in the hobby for about a year and some change (enough time I think to finish her dissertation), she moved on after that . . . but I am glad we got to meet.
I really appreciate the input... as a relatively new hobbiest, i'm learning!
i have picked up a little of the patterns some have mentioned, the age discrepancies, the 30 yr old coed... i think a few of you have suggested that there is some degree of bs-ing in some cases and that it's good to take everything with a grain of salt...
just a client... until SHE asks for more or, as one said (i really like this overtly direct comment) "i don't want your money anymore"... then things can take a little different twist...
what's the story with a black list... these ladies have a private list among themselves to keep tabs on us?
i'm not too worried about that, i show total respect to a lady all the time, respect makes it good for both... just curious...
If there are problem clients, such as violent ones or men who short the ladies' money, the providers will blacklist them so other escorts can avoid them.
One is an individual DNS (Do Not See) list that a woman might keep for her own purposes of difficult, rude, disrespectful or even dangerous clients or would be clients. The other is the National Blacklist where various women share information about clients (or just enemies) that they deem time wasters, dangerous, etc.
The criteria to end up on either a DNS list of some particular provider or the National Blacklist can range from anything from criminal assault to calling her names on a discussion board or showing up five minutes late. IOW, just like bad reviews there really is no universal criteria.
One thing that providers keep up with is tardiness and No-Show. Most understand “Life Happens”, but let them know as soon as possible. And, if you have to cancel, do so as early as possible! I Try and make it up to them on subsequent visit. If the provider chooses not to accept “Life Happens”..... I’d be glad to be done with them. Note, however, for many ladies them being 5-10 minutes late is “on time”!
If only five or ten min big deal
Once it happens more then once figure always!!
The flip side is that once starting if one has makeup time available on the back end are often the best sessions.
LV ladies are the worst they are never on time for an appointment.
Have you traveled much in LV? just on the strip? Traffic can be horrible and walking in heels for any distance must be a nightmare. Even just walking from one end of the Bellagio to the other can vary depending on if a show just ended or people are heading to the Cirque de Soleil. Friday or Saturday night? Fugget about it. Anybody is toast driving.
If you see enough ladies and don't change your contact information odds are that you will eventually get blacklisted. Sometimes it happens by mistake or she gets you confused with someone. Several years ago a lady that I saw showed me those sites and how they work. She said that most of them were BS and that most of the ladies that blacklist tend to be lower to lower-middle end providers. She showed me one guy who she has seen for years had several blacklists that he was 50 or a cop. Many if not most of them are some form of retaliation for posting a so/so review, saying something negative, declining to see her, yada yada. Many ladies look at them in a broader context and will still see you; professional screeners can usually see through the BS. Many of the higher end providers have never blacklisted a client. Interesting to see how many ladies that should be more concerned about repeat business seem concerned about stalkers. I actually wish that I never saw that info it made me realize how much paranoia exists and how many ladies are just plain nuts.
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Not to be classist, but there is probably a correlation between low end (less expensive) escorts and low end (cash poor, social dregs) clients. Which might explain the higher rate of blacklisting from lower end escorts.
to me. However, there are also well-to-do guys who have money and think "rules" are for the other guys, not them. A fair number end up BL'd for less-than-gentlemanly conduct.
I had a provider who gave me a freebie and another one whom I helped her out and she return in kind but still whatever feeling of attachment is a treacherous path.
yeah, it seems like a no win situation...
I’ve become “attached” before but I don’t allow myself to embrace it completely.
a learned discipline i think
Every now and then..It Happens !!
Stranger things have been known to
Lol
Been rough dealing with the reality that nothing other p4p will ever happen trying to move on.
that's an honest comment... good for you. i wonder if there's a tendency to view some women as just a working girl, minimizing them a little?
a question for your providers, are some clients just straight degrading at some times or do you find that most are very respectful and caring?