It's nauseating to me but perhaps not to others. Can't get my brain around this having seen original Wheaties commercials, Olympic TV footage, etc. from 70s onward. Ugh!

its nauseating to me that someone's happiness in their body and presentation upsets others.

You are exactly the problem with this world. Think opinions should run *only* one way...your way. Fuck that and fuck you too...once I book a session, of course.  

and that is he knew and he married three women without really disclosing the issue*.   OTOH, I am glad he/she gets to do what he/she wants for the remainder of his/her life.   I am interested in whatever he has done to his hair, it is much thicker than it was. Lol!

What's "nauseating" is transphobia.

I never watched their TV show as I don't care what others do.  If (s)he is happy then that's all that matters. I'm surprised that there is intolerance here.

But that's some nasty Frankenstein shit IMHO. Yeah, my opinion, the one I'm entitled to announce.

especially in our circle here.

I'll give you credit for speaking you mind, but perhaps a view of how this was received over 60 years ago by film maker Edward D Wood Jr. would be interesting and telling.

Here is his first major film.  Though really more about transvestitism, it still speaks to the nature of this sexual issue.

Behold:

There are also other comments on this post that reflect intolerance.  The rest of society condemns what all of us do here.  Why does the collective here jump on each others throats?

I don't remember that there was disclosure prior to the marriages, certainly that things were noticed.   Again, I was not entirely all "there" when I watched but I stand corrected if you are right.   I will have to ask the W, she is fascinated by the whole thing, she taped the interview and watched it again.

I like your replies

Is that near Transylvania? I hear it's in NC somewhere ...

it does puzzle me that some people are literally so confused, so afraid and so empty they feel they have to take such drastic measures to be happy when happiness is on the IINSIDE. The same could be said for any woman who is addicted to cosmetic surgery to look better.  So, I agree with you for the most part except it does not disgust me, though you certainly have a right to say that. Hell, anyone here can say two guys together disgusts them, cim disgusts them, fat girls and old girls disgust them... talk about hypocrisy lol.  

My observation is that he's dumb as a rock except for one thing:  Promoting Bruce Jenner.  He just did not appear all that sincere in the Sawyer interview.   Everything about this seems scripted. He certainly has the right to do with his life as he sees fit and I fully support that right.  But it would not surprise me at all if in a year or two he decides he was a man all along and gets a haircut.

she otherwise is a media whore and is part of that whole vapid kardashit thing. But in so publicly revealing and discussing her need to transition and her struggles all these years, and especially in light of her history as a male athlete icon, she brings transgender people further into mainstream acceptance. Many heart breaking stories out there about transgender children growing into adulthood in families and communities that reject and despise them. No one who doesn't hurt others should feel shame, humiliation, and rejection just for where they fall in the sexual spectrum and/or for whom they have a capacity to love.

And many of the girls have fake tits, liposuction and other surgeries to look better.

in the box now.

I was agreeing that changing of sex was no different than many women who are obsessed with being so empty on the inside that all they can do is fix the outside. You're confusing hatred with fkin denial. It is very sad that people are so insecure on the inside they have to take such drastic measures, but whatever. If I choose to get Botox or tits like many others, that does not mean I have to be obsessed with image, which was what I said. Obsessed and empty are the key words. Many people get cosmetic procedures and it is like a new pair of shoes or getting their nails done. Others are OBSESSED. And, FYI no one owes us shit honey. I get called old and fat every day on this board... cry me a fkin river. We make choices and no one has to tolerate or coddle us... period. If I dye my 7 year old's hair blue and she gets made fun of, whose fault is that? Thanks. I am not going to call the school and raise hell because of MY choice.

Society thinks EVERYONE is flawed in one way or another........just pick your poison.

Yes.......bigotry can take many forms.......but in the end...........all bigotry is equally ugly.

I don't know how you can claim that some cosmetic change isn't still wanting to change an appearance.  Why people do that is their right.  I don't know where that line you're drawing is for it becoming an obsession though.  Why would anyone call people fat and old unless their objective is to be hypocrites.  We are who and what we are.  The intolerance in this world is amazing.

you disagree. Not arguing, just want to know your view point.

I've seen plenty of boards like this one.  Someone makes a comment that isn't necessarily a popular comment and someone like you has to call the poster out.  Why did you feel the need to add the swearing in your post?  Is that supposed to make sure that the poster you replied to knows you're serious?

Yes, intolerance is amazing and acceptance is not owed to anyone of us. Deal with it. It really is that simple. You, me and everyone else has a right to their own issues just like they have a right to fix what's broken. Personally, I could not give two shits what the next person does, but if I do find something disgusting (not the case here) I also do not give a fk who says I should be tolerant of it lol. Next...

.. and is part of what makes Annie Leibovitz the master she is. Aldo is left in the dust. Ladies....go to Annie!

In fact it is a surgically assisted delusion.

I don't believe any physical alterations will bring true happiness.

I don't care what anyone does to make themselves happy but why does it have to be splashed all over the news and the rest of us required to celebrate it or else be called "intolerant" or "bigots".  

If you had asked that a few weeks ago I might have been tempted to dissemble. But TER is pretty much useless to me as a resource after the pack caught the scent of my otherness... So here goes...

Is the... ''so you are into having sex and fornicating with professionals, you must support the LGBT crowd as well".

I disagree with your viewpoint but not going to bat you over the head for it. However, your interpretation of my own posting of opinion as some kind of deeply manipulative and deceptive gambit is bizarre and frankly sounds a bit paranoid. Not sure if you are just bitter & distrustful due to some previous argument on TER (as you imply) or whether you are going through some genuinely hard times and might want to talk to someone.

Exactly.

Yup. I have been told because I am a hooker I should also be tolerant of incest and underage porn... LMAO. Cray!  

to the first wife until one year into the marriage, she thought she could change him but did not divorce because of it.  Same thing with second wife, told her later and it did have a role in divorce.   The last one was aware of the cross-dressing but in his own words, he "downplayed" the whole thing to her.   I don't expect to know everything about my wife, but say for example that she had felt she was born in the wrong body and she had felt that for decades, I do think that would be knowledge I should have prior to making a commitment  (again, so says a cheating asshole.)

Glad she is finding happiness and learning to love self. At least she got it done ok, many don't and it looks horrid.

They are the people whom are altering their physical appearance and gender. I'm not bashing transsexuals, I'm just trying to add some perspective to your ignorance.

is NOT AT ALL the same thing as a cisgender (non-trans) person desiring plastic surgery. Trans people aren't trying to change their physical appearance to get away from who they are- people who pursue hormonal and surgical changes (or just their gender expression via clothing/makeup/etc.) are trying to show and appear to the world as they know they already are!!

are not analogous to women who are obsessed with their physical attractiveness; nor are they "being so empty on the inside that all they can do is fix the outside". They are not in denial, or so insecure that they must take "drastic measures".......

To be fair i think he didn't disclose everything,  just that he liked to wear women's clothing.  
But yeah u should re-watch it sober,  it's really interesting.  It totally made me have compassion for her. She and Diane did a great job at painting an honest picture of who she is and where she's coming from.  
The cool thing is that her kids accept her.  She has 6 biological kids and 4 step kids (the Kardashians), and all of them are so close to her and have lots of love between them.  
They just want their dad (she told them that she'll still always be their dad) to be happy and to stop living a facade.
So it's pretty cool that people so super privileged still have such a close, loving family. ..
I told you guys before,  I'm totally a Kardashians fan lol

Being a tolerant person is something that is woefully lacking in this country.  The riots are plentiful.  The finger pointing is incessant.  People just seem to have no interest in anything but themselves.  

For some, they have a belief that gender based identity IS the same as any other one, just as sexual based identity is. Some believe you are born gay, others do not believe that. I do not care one way or the other what someone wants to do or who they are, and do not discriminate being friends or seeing them based on that either. What I do not like being told is because I am a hooker that I must be tolerant of shit I do not agree with... again, this is not the case. I do not care one way or the other but it's naive to assume someone who goes through this much trouble does not have some self esteem issues. They most certainly fkin do in most cases. They do not know who they are inside or out, pretty much equates to being confused, scared or empty. I mean, duh.  

That's your opinion... others disagree. I don't see why this is so hard to fathom. You forcing that shit down anyone's throat who does not agree is no different than others saying they are intolerant of x, y or z. For the record, I am all for Bruce doing whatever the fk he needs to do to be happy, but I am also not naive enough to think that gender identity is the only cause for his turmoil.

It really was very interesting and it is great to see the support, I hope everything turns out well.

I am accepting of anything under the sun minus explicit shit with children and animals.... how tolerant is that? Tolerance is one thing though... other people have a right to find something gross. I mean, they really can't help it. I know plenty of men on this board who love two women together, yet are grossed out by two guys. It does not make them homophobic not to want a d*ck in their mouths if they are straight, just like it's not wrong for a gay person to find straight sex gross. For fk sake, is that not what everyone in this thread is saying... THEY ARE BORN THAT WAY? Point made. I can't help that I find Tofu disgusting, and others can't help what they find disgusting. Personal preference and intolerance are not one in the same.

Basically: congrats; thank and give credit to the trans women of color who paved the way for your visibility, rights and acceptance; now please either step back or start using your privilege and media attention to discuss systemic oppressions facing trans communities.

If all of the divisiveness over sexual orientation/gender identity can't be resolved to every heterosexual persons' satisfaction?

To be sure, people can choose to be private or not but I think Bruce is being brave.  The statistics on suicide attempts are staggering, people who are facing these issues need to know they are not alone and it does not mean that we need to sit and applaud and encourage but we have to be human and give people a wide berth.  

You have a thin point here. I think Greek is nauseating...does that make me a bigot? I am with you on cock gagging again, does that make me a bigot?  

To his opinion and yes on a fuck board people get hypocritical????? Funny how the two of us went to, dare I say it, bat for him????

None of my damn business.

Being born the wrong gender is not the same as cosmetic procedures etc.  

To each their own is my philosophy.  
  If she isn't  hurting my eyes I won't be offended by her surprise.  

You also failed to address what I said in between all the insults.  

And, I stand by that.  

I have no problem with what Bruce Jenner is doing.  BUT, if anyone honestly thinks that he's a beautiful woman, they are just being politically-correct or dishonest.  I am still not sure if I consider him a woman yet anyway since he still has male junk, but I guess if Jenner identifies as being a woman than that's his decision and not mine, so I'll play along on that front... but he is NOT beautiful!   Frankly, until recently I though Jenner was the one sane person in their family.  It's a shame that some people need to do such drastic things to attempt be happy in their later years -- but if he's not happy on the inside, I doubt if this is REALLY going to do the trick.  (BTW, I would have understood him doing this 30 years ago more than today.)

If beautiful is a 8 (really hot), then I would give her a 3 (homely).   (And I don't even want to consider a possible performance score...LOL)

Did you know that?  No seriously think about it did you REALLY know that?  

Holy shit, has this ever opened a can of vipers released in this thread. i would have expected a more liberal and tolerable acceptance of Jenner's dilemma. I was surprised but not appalled.I thought what torture he must have be dealing with. I thought that this group , if any,might understand, an unusual sex related  situation. But no, this group has shown they are just as bigoted, vindictive and hypocritical as the general population. Some are understanding and others not. Personally I don't give one hoot in hell if someone get's his or her jollies out of fucking  box of  rocks in hopes there is a snake in the box.

Never go by someone elses. Your 10 may be a 5 to me and vice versa.  

Posted By: quadseasonal

 To each their own is my philosophy.  
   If she isn't  hurting my eyes I won't be offended by her surprise.  
   
  I'll never again let a Gal coerce me into believing her idea of beauty is the same as mine.

So RT I know you watch the show (and are also a Grey's Anatomy fan but anyways)....  

Posted By: Ridgetucky

Did you know that?  No seriously think about it did you REALLY know that?    
   
 Now think about this>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  
   
 Based on the data from the Center For Disease Control deaths due to MURDER/homicide accounted for less than 1% of all U.S. deaths, with the odds of being murdered in a given year at 1 in 18,989 (BTW that's a percentage of 0.00005266206%)  
   
 The person most likely to kill you is a Doctor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
   
 But Americans want to be tough on crime and give a free pass to the Doctors  
   
 How is that possible?  Shit like this.  Keep 'em drunk, high, stupid and confused.  AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S WORKING--BIG TIME.  
   
 The reason I posted the aforementioned is that we have our fucking priorities confused in this country.  
   
 This is not about Bruce, Caitlyn or anyone else in that trashy ass family.  
   
 The issue is that more Americans pay attention 2 this shit than will actually go out and vote on Election Day.    
   
 I can give a rat's hairy ass about Caitlyn or Bruce BTW.  But it is a sad state when people think that this SHIT matters 1 BIT.  Bruce, can be Caitlyn, Kate, Katie, Peggy or whoever the fuck she wants.  Doesn't make a fucking difference to me.    
   
 I just feel bad for everyone else.  This is how the powers that be keep you confused and oppressed.  Keep your mind focused on stupid shit (and this is stupid shit BTW) while they secretly take your pension, cut social security, underfund your schools and poison your water.  But WTF let's debate Bruce errr Caitlyn.  
   
 In addition, Caitlyn  has admitted that she is a R*******.   The same party that wants to stop Caitlyn from being Caitlyn.  Kinda fucking ironic if you ask me.  Still ironic even if you did not ask me.    
   
 Don't know man feel sorry for everyone.  I go into work enter a few BS orders and make a decent living and never lift a fucking finger.  Meanwhile the boss makes WAY more than me, does even less work and still complains that the government is ruining everything.  
   
 RT

Because Ellen caught him having sex with one of the extras and told Man alive, if that isn't the funniest crap ever. McDreamy turns out to be McNaughty or McCheater!!! That shit is classic I tell ya. Take that every dumb ass woman who had the nerve to cry over his fictional ass. I'm sure it wasn't the only reason he got canned but I think it was the last straw! His Diva ways led up to it being the last straw indeed. Honestly, I didn't think his goodbye was good enough. Or his tribute episode or whatever one may call it. I think Shonda should have created a better episode or episodes to say goodbye. Anyhoo, now it's "sister" time. Oh Lord. Yes, rolling my damn eyes.

look better than a lot of women you have seen at WalMart? I add that question!

over her only brother being dead, at the exact time that Owen shows back up? See, this is the shit I can't stand with Shondas writing. I mean WTF. Meredith has almost died a thousand times. Oh yeah, you're going to let the major character die. After the first drowning, let it go Shonda. Now with this, Amelia goes what, a month, two months without breaking down and the moment it just becomes too damn much to bare and she loses it, she turns around and Owen is there. Not only is Owen there but he is in his fatigues back from the mission. Man, get the fuck outta Grey Sloan Memorial Hospital with that load of unicorn shit piles! Ugh. I'm done. Anyhoo, I love Amelia. Only bc she is so damn gorgeous to me. I'm such a damn girl at times. Whatever.

... Vanity Fair air brushed and photoshopped the shit out of that picture.

That's my opinion and its a solid one. The trans community is over stepping its boundaries when they are trying to tell another human what to do with their own truth. I don't care if it's of a Like Nature. Period. Motherfucking people need to know their place. I don't care who you are or what YOU are or have been fighting for. Don't put that on that woman if she decides she doesn't want it and still wants to tell her story in the way she wants to tell it. Sorry. The Trans Community is still a bunch of humans. Which of course means, no one is a damn God in it.

Yes, she still has a dick. No sex change and from what I recall, Bruce said he was not thinking about that. So, this goes above a lot of people's heads and I am not 100% aware of it all. But if a human says they have felt a certain way their entire lives, who the fuck is anyone else to say they are lying? They are crazy. They are weird. To think you are better served to have peace and happiness than they are. Get the fuck outta here with that comical and juvenile shit. If he wants to identify as a she and be called a she with a woman's name, so be it.  

And of course dumbass Kim is "advising" on that one. No Caitlyn, it needs to be a black dude in it. Hey, call Lamar up and promise him some "rocks". He'll do it for free! Ha. Ok, that was mean. Betcha it has been discussed though. At least once for laughs. Lmao. Oh sorry, I do believe Caiitlyn likes females . So, throw that idea out. Maybe Caitlyn and Diane got it on after dinner that night. Oh snapples! Would you want to see THAT! Lol.

So, you concede that a person who was that confused and torn inside because of their own perception (not the perception of others) would probably have some self esteem issues? Thank you. That's what I said lol. I have watched several friends of mine struggle with sexual identity, going back and forth from gay to straight, gay to straight because they were totally confused not just experimenting and having fun with both sexes. I have seen a few struggle with gender as well for the same reasons (like you said, not knowing where they fit in or who they are) and still never finding that place after a sex change.  

My ten is your five?  
Don't give me that line !!
 Should I check the time?  
I'm not ready to die!  
I'm   frugal with my tens.  
Some would say  that's rare,
 Among  horny guys who  care,
Little for truth,
More for "raˈpor re".
Others call unfair on my  eights .  
 I  declare..........  
 Open the Barn  gates,  
Caitlyn is NOT my vision  of an attractive Hen.  
More like a rooster with a bad make over.  
Or my Dog Rover when he got run over,  
By a pancake truck.
 Yuck!!  
 Like Rover  
 I hope Caitlin is happy.
Now that it's over.    

Posted By: AlexandraMilw

Never go by someone elses. Your 10 may be a 5 to me and vice versa.  
   
 Never go on blind dates because a friend may not see what you see. They will think they are great and you won't, whereas they will pass up someone they think isn't right for you... and that may be the one.  
   
 Ms Jenner does not turn me on at all. Am glad she is trying to be happy. Maybe it is because i know what she just looked like, IDK. I have seen plenty of pictures of gals that transitioned where they looked hot as hell.  
   
 Silly, what do you mean "I won't be offended by her surprise"? That open minded, eh? That is great. Just the way I took it and fuck those who don't let you be you. Love the honest answer.  
   

Posted By: quadseasonal

 To each their own is my philosophy.    
    If she isn't  hurting my eyes I won't be offended by her surprise.    
     
   I'll never again let a Gal coerce me into believing her idea of beauty is the same as mine.

Surely wasn't speaking about anyone specifically.  

Posted By: quadseasonal

My ten is your five?  
 Don't give me that line !!  
  Should I check the time?  
 I'm not ready to die!  
 I'm   frugal with my tens.  
 Some would say  that's rare,  
  Among  horny guys who  care,  
 Little for truth,  
 More for "raˈpor re".  
 Others call unfair on my  eights .  
  I  declare..........  
  Open the Barn  gates,  
 Caitlyn is NOT my vision  of an attractive Hen.  
 More like a rooster with a bad make over.  
 Or my Dog Rover when he got run over,  
 By a pancake truck.  
  Yuck!!  
  Like Rover  
  I hope Caitlin is happy.  
 Now that it's over.      
   
   I would advise Caitlyn, for better luck with her Cover girl career.  
  She should  try Kim's make up magician.      
   
   

Posted By: AlexandraMilw

Never go by someone elses. Your 10 may be a 5 to me and vice versa.    
     
  Never go on blind dates because a friend may not see what you see. They will think they are great and you won't, whereas they will pass up someone they think isn't right for you... and that may be the one.  
     
  Ms Jenner does not turn me on at all. Am glad she is trying to be happy. Maybe it is because i know what she just looked like, IDK. I have seen plenty of pictures of gals that transitioned where they looked hot as hell.  
     
  Silly, what do you mean "I won't be offended by her surprise"? That open minded, eh? That is great. Just the way I took it and fuck those who don't let you be you. Love the honest answer.  
     

Posted By: quadseasonal

 To each their own is my philosophy.    
     If she isn't  hurting my eyes I won't be offended by her surprise.    
       
    I'll never again let a Gal coerce me into believing her idea of beauty is the same as mine.

I don't give a fuck about Bruce, Caitlyn, or the entire fucking Khardashian clan. I don't wish them any ill, nor am I a "hater" I just plain DON'T GIVE A FUCK!!!

Does that make me a bigot, or just someone with standards?

Speaking of standards, Calling Caitlyn "gorgeous" shows how low standards are around here. Keep in mind this is a person who was born in the 1940's, Gorgeous is NOT the word that comes to mind when thinking about Bruce/Caitlyn.

On the TER scale, I bet you some of the BSUs here would give her a 10, despite the fact that "she" was born over 65 years ago, and was born with a dick.

And women wonder why we don't trust the reviews where it comes to the appearance of a woman who blurs her pics. It's not just review manipulation, it's simply that some guys have no standards. News flash guys, not every woman is "gorgeous"

You know your family tree is fucked up when Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner is the SANE one. ROFLMFAO

Mikey, I am still laughing over that one.

and for the record, anyone who thinks Bruce/Caitlyn is beautiful needs their fucking eyes checked.

I do hope on some level that this makes him/her happy, but like you, I have VERY serious doubts. It will however keep in the public eye for years to come, and part of me can't help but think that is the whole purpose of his "courageous" decision.

Frankly, I always liked Bruce Jenner.  I remember rooting for him in 1976, and I'm not rooting against him/her today.  BUT, that does NOT make him/her beautiful.  

Since Bruce Jenner has made this SO public, then I think people are entitled to publically share their opinions also.  Sorry, but Bruce does NOT make a beautiful woman... and to say that she is beautiful is not being honest.  That does not mean that those of us who dare to say anything negative are against his choice to attempt to be happy.  It's his/her right to do whatever they want to do until it interferes with the rights of another, and it's our right to not find him/her beautiful.  But, as I said before, I always liked Bruce Jenner.  Too bad he did not come to this decision right after he won the Gold in 1976... but I imagine he liked the Wheaties $ too much!  (And perhaps is running low so he's using this PR to re-fill the war chest.)

I think that Bruce Jenner/Caitlyn will be getting tons of contracts to be the face behind many brands and its quite likely that she will become a household name very quickly.

Chopping off your dick shows commitment to your choice, dressing up like a woman could quite likely just be a publicity stunt, just something to keep the cameras and the cash rolling.

I don't really wish Bruce/Caitlyn any ill, but to call this media whore, one of an entire clan of media whores a "hero" is an insult to real heroes IMO.

Not to mention all the millions of dollars that will come with it. Bravery my fucking ass.

A complete yawn. Eye of the beholder and I am not comparing her to a 20 year old but to other women in their 60's. Even given that, my eyes, my interpretation, your eyes, your interpretation, neither is right or wrong, just an individual taste.

but then there is simply "no taste at all"

If you are commenting that she is gorgeous in a way that you might refer to how gorgeous your grandmother is, that's one thing. If OTOH, you mean it a literal way that Bruce/Caitlyn is a "gorgeous woman" I will respectfully repeat my suggestion that you invest in a new set of glasses. Sorry

I always compare both men and women to which demographic (age bracket really) they are in, otherwise it is a pointless exercise for me. I find her gorgeous in her age group...period.

If she truly wants to be a woman then she would lop it off and refashion a clit.

In that case, I suppose we aren't really in all that much disagreement, but to call "her" gorgeous without that caveat would render the word "gorgeous" meaningless IMO

So this is still America and this guy can do whatever he wants but others can still disagree with him!

I also wonder if being married to a pimp (Kris) for so many years pushed somehow pushed him over the crazy ledge?  

and NO, I don't think he's fucked up because of his sexual confusion. He's fucked up because of his life as a Khardashian media whore, inviting the entire world into both his living room, his bedroom, and I assume his bathroom for a few bucks.

I still can't imagine why ANYONE would spend even five minutes watching this mind numbing drivel.

I use that caveat a lot because it would be like comparing the average trick to a 25 year old male in great shape...a joke. Why on earth would I compare a 65 year old woman to a 25 year old? I know guys on here, for the most part, do that and I think it foolish and really only a way for them to justify being a tool bag to those ladies older than they prefer, regardless of how well kept an older lady may be.  

While the average TER 10, barely gets an 8 from me, even if only 1% of the populace is "fuckable" that still leaves over 70 million very fuckable people in the world. More than enough to last thousands of lifetimes.

and I don't believe in having categories on a fuck board. If I were rating myself (and being honest about it) I would barely be a four when compared to all men, 18-99 years old, but if I got to create a category of all men over 55, Fuck, I would be a rock star, as I KNOW I look damn good for a man pushing 60.

The fact of the matter is, when I am in the "real world" and competing for the attention of women without the advantage of simply giving them money, I don't get the "over 55" handicap, I have to compete for the hotties with every man of every age, so why should I delude myself that I am an 8 or a 9 appearance wise, when I know that at my age unless you are Sean Connery or George Clooney, you simply aren't going to be a "hunk" at this age, and this is coming from a guy who can easily pass for early forties.

So why should I hold hookers who make their living on their looks to a lower standard than I hold myself. A typical 40+ TER hooker with appearance scores of 9+ is unlikely to get more than 7s in the real world, and probably 6 or less from the likes of me.

and for the record I am not a tool bag to the OTHFBC, but I am not going to be sucking up to grandmothers and telling them how hot and sexy they still are until I am the one who needs new glasses. Calling Caitlyn "gorgeous" is beyond foolish IMO and is only a product of political correctness. Yes, she could pass for a rather average looking woman in her mid to late fifties, and that is a high compliment for a woman who is not a woman at all, but a man in his mid sixties, but that's as close to "gorgeous" as I am prepared to concede.

That's who watches that drivel.

where as I am not going to watch any longer. Really made me mad that my lesbians didn't get back together or even get a tease in the finale.  

I've been overall disappointed with Greys for awhile. Guess I'm just loyal, so I keep tuned in. It's not a show I care about watching every week anymore . Keep it on my dvr and catch up when I can. I still love it mostly mainly bc I've been with it so long (lol) but I am awaiting its farewell to be honest. I really think it's run should be coming to an end soon. End it right I say. Know when to call it quits. The best storylines and relationships have gone and passed already imo. It will never be what it was in those areas. It just won't I think

This is why I love you Katie! You bring an honest sensibility to the subject in a human, flawed world. We all have our prejudices, fears, phobias, hang ups, etc. so it seems to me we would do well to adhere to the biblical truth that "he without sin should cast the first stone."