How do you know when a session is over and who decides?  If you paid for a 2 hour session and the provider starts cleaning up the incall and getting dressed in 90 minutes would it be appropriate to go the donation and adjust it appropriately?

I had this happen recently.  I did not adjust anything.  But, on the drive home I was thinking wtf?  Interestingly enough, the session was fine however, 30 minutes were paid for but not received.  Guys, ever had this happen?  Lady's, I'd be interested in hearing your point of view on this subject as well.

but if you didn't speak up and say something like:  "Don't we still have thirty minutes left?"
then you bear part of the responsibility.

Nevertheless, such a thing is fair game in the review, especially if she is insistent about you leaving after only ninety minutes.

If you paid for two hours, you should get two hours. I'm not sure how I'd react if I were a hobbyest and the provider started getting dressed half hour early. Perhaps say something like 'my appt is over at blank o'clock, we have more time'. Then ball would be in her court to either say she thought it was a 90 min appt or she was leaving early. In that case, I think it would be okay to adjust the donation. A bit awkward though.

it is too confrontational in any situation other than a complete rip-off.  Even then I wouldn't consider it because of other safety and privacy concerns.  Mention it in the review and move on.

I suppose you could ask the provider what is going on and does she want you to leave before your time is up.  That's your call.  But you should be sure to do it in a gentle manner that doesn't raise safety concerns for the provider.  You don't want her to show you where she hides the Mace  

Note that something like that could also land you on one of the provider blacklists.  There is no appeal so it doesn't matter whether you felt justified or not.

I'm fortunate not having had that happen to me (knock on wood).

You should get the time that you paid for!
I don't blame you for being upset. Not sure that confronting her would have gotten you anything other than a hard time but I would definitely write a review and make this a highlight!
I don't care what a gal looks like or how good her reviews are for service.  The time you paid for is the time you should get.

Was the lady reviewed?

Does she have a 90 minute rate? Is it possible she was mistaken?

is I let the lady know I will need to take a shower at the end of the session. If it is supposed to end at 5:00 pm, I'll say, "I will need to take a shower at 4:45 so I can be out at the right time."

I haven't had any issues since.

What are you going to do? Nothing that makes sense, except one or two verbal reminders of the time or situation. If I say nothing, then I'm to blame as well. Maybe she misunderstood something, so all I can do is try to straighten out that possibility.

Having said that. . .
If it's outcall there's nothing you can do or should do to stop her. You'd only be asking for trouble that could come in many and some ugly forms.

Go for the donation for an adjustment? No way!! It's gonna be still laying there (or maybe still in your pocket) only if you guys are already good regulars, in which case you shouldn't need us to help figure this out.

If it's incall, I guess you could drag your feet in leaving, but your only gonna piss her off. Your choice I guess, but I wouldn't push it.

Move on and write her up if you like.

-- Modified on 1/27/2008 2:36:49 PM

I mentioned the time without saying that HEY, YOU STILL OWE ME 30 MINUTES".  I was trying to subtly say come back to bed, without putting a damper on the mood.  However, she did not get the message and started the shower for me (hint, hint).  Well, I got the message....lol

I never want to cause a seen or for anyone to be uncomfortable but I did feel shorted.  Being relatively new I'd rather error on the my side of the equation as getting blacklisted or coming off as a difficult client could affect future booking with other providers.

I believe a review would be the proper place to mention it.  That way the entire session could be taken into account.  Not just one negative portion.  Overall, it was a good time.  I just was unsure how others dealt with the time to (get up &) go hint when actually there was still time to go.

We always hear about providers not being clock watchers.  I guess this is the other side of the story.

I would not say anything and start looking for a new provider.

Even writing her up may not be in your best interest. What if some time down the line you get an urge for that specific provider and she refuses to see you because of your review?

and the short session noted.
I am not talking about 10 minutes, but a half hour is inexcusable.

I've only been shorted once. After contacting the agency to report the shortened meeting, and not getting a response, I wrote a review describing my experience. She was a highly rated provider, and I was very new to hobbying; not that long ago, and I was very hesitant to do so. In my review I brought up several factors that could have contributed to a misunderstanding, some of those on my part. I have not re-booked with anyone from that agency, and have not experienced any negative consequences from that review. A week later another review was written by someone having the same exact experience, with the same provider. I haven't seen any reviews on her in a month or two. All indications seem to point to the possibility that she may be going through some sort of transition. I would recommend that you review her, but report it as objectively as possible, and stay away from any flaming.

I had a provider who used to be a regular.  After about 5 sessions, she started shorting me.  We would talk the first hour or so, do the nasty for about a half hour, and within about 2 mins of my load being shot, she would start to get ready.  I'm mostly a one-shot prince anyway, so it really didn't bother me.  Though some nice cuddling would have been good for the remainder of the half hour.

This went on twice and then the third time after she started this, she got to my house and talked on the phone for about 20 mins, and then left a half hour early.  When I suggested I would adjust her rate to just an hour, she didn't take well.  I explained how I hadn't said anything the previous two times when she left early, and she was not only leaving early but had talked on the phone for 20 mins or so.  She was a bit pissed, and at that point I told her I wouldn't see her again and I asked her to leave immediately.

That was the end of it.

It's one thing for a provider to fuck me. It's another thing for them to FUCK me.

Transcend,

Having read several of your posts now, I have to say I have seen a pattern where it doesn't appear you are very assertive about the things you want to get out of an encounter.

We ladies aren't mind readers, and I assure you, we are very open to requests, suggestions, and outright direction telling us what it is you like/want/need.

A few of the topics you've posted about recently really come down voicing your preferences. I know that isn't always an easy thing to do, but I assure you that you will find your time far more enjoyable if you give her cues to tell her what you enjoy most. Both during play to avoid the "routine" you once referred to, and after play too if there is still time remaining. Simple suggestions like "I really like it when you...." will get her to pay attention to the things you want, and a simple "oh good, we still have time for some cuddle time" will get you the time you paid for and are expecting.

Were you shorted? Yes. Should you adjust the donation? If she is shoving you out the door, yes. If she is just cleaning up, then lay back and relax. Chances are she'll come back and cuddle when she's done tidying, and the session will end when its time.

A few days ago I mentioned in a post that one very liberating lesson I learned about sex was to be responsible for my own orgasm. That lesson really applies to the entire experience though. I am responsible for my own pleasure and enjoyment - meaning its Ok for me to tell you what I like. You too, are responsible for what you want, so don't be shy. Speak up. You will be glad you did.

You said:

"Even writing her up may not be in your best interest. What if some time down the line you get an urge for that specific provider and she refuses to see you because of your review?"

You have a couple of negative reviews so I won't come down on you for whimping out. Or maybe you are having buyer's remorse over those bad reviews you've written? Are any of your good reviews been made out of self interest?

But it begs the question. . .
What percentage of all reviews are falsly high, out of self interest or fear?

-- Modified on 1/27/2008 5:21:33 PM

Sins - I like your idea about voicing preferences.  And, your line about "I'd really like it" comes across very friendly (and non confrontationally) but makes a direct request which she probably would have responded favorably to as she had been agreeable the entire session.

I need to carry my lap top going forward so I get real time TER feedback in cases like this.  Excuse me dear, I have to check something on the internet real quick (don't start that shower quite yet).....lol.  

At least I'll have it ready for next time with someone else.

the contents are hers, not yours, and you have no basis to "adjust" the contents--it's called larceny--unless you reach a mutual agreement with the lady.

D - in concept I agree with you and that's why I did not.  However, how would you have dealt with the shortage?

-- Modified on 1/27/2008 6:42:19 PM

The lady decides.  I've not had a lady leave early.  If it ever did occur, I would mention both on the regional board and in the review.  BTW, she would not receive a very high mark for performance.

-- Modified on 1/27/2008 6:50:40 PM

Was she also mistaken when she opened the envelope and pocketed the donation that was for 2 hours and not 90 minutes?  I will concede the possibility that as a result of inadequacy of our perception rather than our logic we may mistakenly think that her mistake was result of carelessness and inattention and/or deliberate attempt to short us time.

I always try to be honest about that sort of thing, and in the past when someone got a call and had to go, I refunded the half hour he missed.

Now I don't. Book an hour GET an hour.

If SHE needs to (or just decides to) stop early), then she needs to refund.

For example, If I get a phone card with 60 minutes I want ALL 60 minutes, if it cuts me off at any point before my full 60, I deserve a refund of the time unused that I paid for. If I decide to trash the card at 40 minutes used, the 20 minutes I lose (but paid for is MY problem), not thiers.

Also, I am the one who tries to fashioably wind it down toward the end and not be an obvious clock watcher. If we go over a little, so what? lol

I have seen GENTLEMEN and only 2 have ever tried to go WAY OVER the time. Most Gentlemen know who they are and live the part.

Thank you guys, I adore you!

call me up with your credit card, and I'll decide for you. $10/minute.

I believe that when you pay for an hour, you should by all means get that full hour, and I don't understand the thing about multiple pops.  If someone has paid for an hour, and he pops in 5 mins., you still should be responsible to treat him like a king for the rest of the hour, if that means two more pops, or cuddling, talking, just screwing around, but I disagree with people who say one pop only for the agreed upon time frame?  That's just weird to me.  That is a rip off to a degree I think.  
On the other side of the coin, I know when I was providing in San Diego, for some reason, I got shorted 10 bucks on my fee ALL the time, not once a month, more like once or twice a week?  They would say, oh, the ATM machine only issues 20's, SO WHAT, you should be a gentleman, and go get it changed if it means that much to you, or just tip me instead of shorting me!  That is a slap in the face and unhonorable in my eyes.
What's the saying, 'honor amongst thieve's', both hobbyist and provider should be honorable.  And if you don't like what you do, you should'nt do this.  If you really love this I think it shows in little subtle ways, like you try to show your'e gentleman friends  a great time for the entire time paid for, not just the one pop deal?

Since we normally leave the donation at the beginning of the session, it would be a little awkward to try to adjust it. Mentioning the problem in your review seems to be the best way to handle it, if you do it tactfully.

Ray is right--you chalk it up to experience and don't go back.  Post a review telling, in an unemotional way, what happened.

I had a nationally-known provider short me on time once upon a time.  I booked two hours and left the sum specified in the envelope.  After an hour and one party, she started to get dressed.  I was so stunned I didn't say anything but got up, dressed and left.  

Afterwards, I sent her a very polite e-mail telling her that I was surprised at the turn of events.  Her response was that she didn't remember I had booked two hours and when she examined the envelope she just thought I'd given her a REALLY good tip.  No apology, no "I'll make it up to you," nothing.

So. . . . even though she is stunningly beautiful and a great provider BCD, I don't call her anymore.  Maybe I have overreacted but that's what I felt right at the time and still do.

Finally, I apparently told someone about the incident because she now freezes me out on chat.  

It takes all kinds, I guess.

...the only one who doesn't get stressed if we go over a few minutes.

You're right, who cares?

I've had guys that have booked an hour (or even 2 hours), but knew when they booked that they wouldn't be able to stay the entire time. I offered to make the time up on a future date, but I've not ever purposely ended a date early.

If I'm not sure of the date length, I'll just ask him, "How long do I get to keep you?"

But if I were the guy in this instance, I'd mention that we had some time left. Her response would dictate whether I reported it or not. Maybe she wasn't aware that it was supposed to be a 2 hour date.

Jas

I often give people the benefit of the doubt. If she did it deliberately, yes, I think it's wrong. He deserved 2 hours, and I feel should mention it to her. Miscommunication is always a logical explanation.

I mentioned to her that it was a 2 hour session. She told me that she'd been told it was 90 minutes. On leaving I called the agency, and they adjusted the fee and applied it to my next visit.

  Since there was an agency involved, I did not have to settle the issue directly with the lady. Had there been no agency, I would have explained that I was due a refund for the unused time.

  Scheduling 2 hours and intentionally ending the session after 90 minutes is simply a form of rip off. In this case I had to allow for miscommunication between the lady and her agency, with an independent that is not a concern.

-J


-- Modified on 1/28/2008 4:40:33 PM

Yes miscommunication can be a logical explanation or a convenient excuse when confronted.  Again if the lady was not careless/inattentive it should have been obvious when the she open the donation envelope that it was for 2 hours and not 90 minutes and she should have contacted him.  Under this circumstance it much harder for me to give her the benefit of doubt. As others have stated it is too confrontational of a situation for him to mention to her and may result in retribution. It just easier to move on.

I see someone on a regular basis. He always books a two hour date. One afternoon, he called and made an appointment. I am a very low volume provider. I never have more than one date in a day (sometimes a couple per week). So, unless I have something personal to attend to, I tend to run a bit over. I assumed that he wanted to meet for the usual two hours. Also, I do not count my gift. I know other providers do, and that is fine. They will say it's my fault for not counting it. But, it's just not me to count my gift. I'm also not a clock watcher. He stayed for 2.5 hours. I realized later, that he gave me my one hour gift. It was miscommunication. I never clarified the time frame, and neither did he. So, the next we spoke, I asked him time specifics, and he said, "two hours". He was caught a bit off guard, but understood what I meant. I didn't read that she counted her gift. The thread is too long to go back.

I'm not being argumentative. You guys are probably right. I just thought about my experience, and wondered if it was miscommunication.



-- Modified on 1/29/2008 12:52:46 AM

on if the sp is a regular or one timer.  As I use a regular and after the first few times she threw the clock away I figure I am getting a bargain most of the time. On one occasion we did not do anything other than cuddle and talk as she had gone through a bad experience a couple of days previously and just was not into it. She was not aware I had left the money in the usual place as we did not go into the rec room and she did not realize I had gone in when I first came in. At the end of the time, I did nothing about the money. She telephoned me when she found it and told me she could not accept it. I simply told her to please accept it as in the past we had gone over time and there had never been an adjustment.  I never mention how long I'm coming for when I contact her and on occasion there have been scheduling conflicts and I've paid for some time not used but in the end never been shorted over the long run. A few times we've been together and she told me if I went into my wallet she'd make sure I could not perform certain functions.  This may not work with all regulars but we have a good relationship.

When I first got into the hobby if I paid for x time and the sp tried to shorten the time I had no problem telling them they either could come back and even give a backrub or a refund. Each time I ended up with a backrub.