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Slowstart 8 Reviews 3174 reads
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JaeJae, I have read this for years, open sores in the mouth, around the teeth or on the tongue are 99% of the risk of infection.  If it gets to the stomach I hear its dead.  If not we would all be dead of a lot of other things.  But just remember guys the chance of dying in an auto acident on the way to see the proveder is probably over 10,000 times as great as a good old DATY.  So JaeJae better walk next time and be safe.

SlowStart

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florida328353902 reads

What are the chances of catching HIV or any other STD by going down on a provider who squirts and let her juices flow in your mouth and swallowing?

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linkmeister3431 reads

For that situation, I'd say the chances are pretty good.

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nakahal3235 reads

not a significant risk if you don't swallow unless you have cuts or abrasions on your tongue or in your mouth. If the person is infected and there is any avenue to the bloodstream, you could be at risk... My suggestion is don't go down on a provider, but if you do, don't swallow it.

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loverofwomen4060 reads

but, if you've already spent enough time in contact with the provider's vaginal secretions to make her squirt, you've probably been exposed.  Of course contact with her paraurethral fluid increases the amount of exposure, but spitting it out instead of swallowing is closing the barn door after the horse is gone.

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clarence373649 reads

the only actual studies i'm aware of that speak to this issue are those done among monogamous lesbian couples where oral sex was the only form of sexual contact. these studies have all resulted in a ZERO hiv infection rate.

hiv is a bloodborne disease. the hiv virus attaches itself to the dna inside a cell; if the cell wall breaks down, the virus cannot survive and dies almost immediately. if you take vaginal fluid or semen in your mouth, your saliva begins the digestive process and if you swallow it the acid in your stomach completes the job, very quickly.

but why ask a bunch of hobbyists? what the hell do we know? why not go to the center for disease control, national institute of health, or columbia university website and ask the scientists and physicians who are studying these issues?

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jaejae3339 reads

Come on Clarence, where are you getting your (mis)information from about digestive acids?

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Papagayo2994 reads

Jaejae,
I am afraid Clarence is right. He has done his homework.

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clarence373725 reads

i've been studying std, hiv mainly, since 1989. i worked in a microbiology lab for seven years and participated in numerous projects studying the action of the virus within the cell. i am a registered nurse and have worked in std clinics. i subscribe to numerous medical publications, online and off, and have read every medical article i can find on the subject of std.

i do not claim that unprotected sex, oral or otherwise, is a safe practice. i claim that ANY sex other than that with a monogamous, uninfected partner is risky. my question is: if i CHOOSE to engage in risky practice (promiscuous sex with other promiscuous partners), shall i do it encased in latex, thus removing most or all of the pleasurable sensation that makes me pursue the act in the first place? or shall i keep myself clean, get tested regularly, and pursue at least the LESS risky acts (like oral sex) skin-to-skin? (ANY reference you find, even those that are warning of the dangers of oral sex, will admit that it is significantly less risky than anal or vaginal).

"Dr. Samuel Baron and colleagues at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston determined that saliva appears to kill HIV-infected mononuclear leukocytes through hypotonic disruption. The researchers, who report their findings in the Feb. 8 issue of the Archives of Internal Medicine, found that 90 percent or more of the mononuclear leukocytes were rapidly disrupted by saliva. Saliva is devoid of many salts that are normally found in body fluids, making it hypotonic, which results in the inactivation of HIV-infected white blood cells. The scientists are investigating the use of bile salts for the use in a microbicide against HIV." ReutersHealth Information Service 02/19/99

read dr alison quayle's section on mucous membranes and the digestive system:
http://www.thebody.com/oralsex.html

general info on relative frequency of infection through oral sex:
http://www.tht.org.uk/gaymen/oral_sex/

a recent study of 239 gay men whose only sexual contact is as the receiving partner in oral sex - 28% of whom stated they swallowed the ejaculate of known hiv-infected partner:
http://pub.ucsf.edu/today/news.php?news_id=200211212

the "great fellatio debate" (linked below) lists arguments on both sides and gives great insight as to why we don't have definitive answers to these questions.

Related Link: http://www.thebody.com/schoofs/fellatio.html

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florida328352824 reads

"Dr. Samuel Baron and colleagues at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston determined that saliva appears to kill HIV-infected mononuclear leukocytes through hypotonic disruption."
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So I guess that means swish before you swallow.....LOL....Thx for the info. I feel much better now.

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jaejae3605 reads

Thanks for the clarification. After I digest all this info, I'll see where it says that the digestive system kills all STD's.?

BTW, I'm not questioning or condemning anyone that prefers uncovered oral, after all I take those risks myself, I just wanted to know where you got the idea that the digestive system killed all STD's.

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clarence373081 reads

if you read back, you'll see that i did not say the digestive system kills all stds, i was just talking about hiv - and i stand by that statement. i'm not saying it is totally impossible to contract hiv through oral with or without swallowing. i'm saying it is highly unlikely, with all the protections our body affords us, and that there is no medical study that offers a shred of evidence that swallowing is any more dangerous than spitting.

and i apologize for my aaarrgghh! i get crazy when this topic comes up. :-)

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Slowstart3175 reads

JaeJae, I have read this for years, open sores in the mouth, around the teeth or on the tongue are 99% of the risk of infection.  If it gets to the stomach I hear its dead.  If not we would all be dead of a lot of other things.  But just remember guys the chance of dying in an auto acident on the way to see the proveder is probably over 10,000 times as great as a good old DATY.  So JaeJae better walk next time and be safe.

SlowStart

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TiffGfe3280 reads

Being a lady who squirts I had some of the same concerns and questions so, I called my local std hotline and talked to the nurses there. The answers that I got where quite interesting. The nurse informed me that they rarely do mouth swabs as a form of testing for STD's becuase it is extremely rare and that in her experience of over 10 yrs working in various STD clinics around the L.A. area, she had not seen one case of someone who had contracted HIV from performing unprotected oral sex on a woman or a man. She also informed me that she had only seen 1 case where someone had contracted an STD from oral sex which was clamydia. This was apparently from a woman who swallowed and she had no signs of the disease anywhere but in her mouth.
I have also had 2 different doctors inform me that because I have had a hysterectomy I can not get clamydia or gonorrhea vaginally. So, to me it would seem that the risk is there but very minimal. Of course with all things sexual there is always a slight risk no matter how much we protect ourselves. I always say do your best to play safe but, don't be over paranoid or you ruin the whole thing.

Play Safe,

Tiffany

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