From a Provider's point of view, what makes a good client/punter ?

From my experiences, ladies like clients who are polite and respectful, clean, adequately financially resourced and who do not get emotionally clingy.

Looks whilst not unimportant, aren't the most important thing.

Punctuality and reliablity is another important thing

any thoughts from the many lovely ladies here ?

What makes a good client:

-In his initial email contact he writes more than one line and uses proper punctuation!

-has a sense of humour, is tactful, a true gentleman.

-adores wine!

-at first is reserved and shy, but once behind closed doors; he is open and playful

I am sure I could write more, but a good client doesn't question your rates (as he knows many others are available), he enjoys quality time with a LADY and in return gets it back TEN FOLD!

Merry Noel!

You wrapped it all up in a soup bowl...

aka known as a nutshell !

I've heard this question asked a thousand times in a thousand different ways....
I have never heard a single response from an escort saying that looks matter at all...
And seriously, why would they?

-- Modified on 12/23/2007 7:50:02 AM

From "Risky Business" [1983]:  "...they're clean, polite, and they come fast."

(the image below was stolen shamelessly from a post by Sinful1 on the newbie board)

-- Modified on 12/23/2007 8:46:29 AM

For the provider as a professional, looks don't matter.  That's part of being a successful provider, she can't discriminate.  An extremely small minority do, and this has caused a lot of frustration as hobbyists either get rejected as soon as the provider sees them, or they get a shitty session [sometimes it's just YMMV but you can never tell].  An even smaller minority will specify on their websites that they don't want to see guys of a certain ethnicity or weight.  Even if it doesn't apply to me, I wouldn't see such providers but I do appreciate upfront candor.

For the provider as a woman, of course looks matter, but then this isn't a civvie situation, right?  She has to expect that the majority of her clients are not going to be super-hotties.  The few that are hot, are just looking for NSA without even the relatively minimal effort of trying to talk to a girl at a bar, buy her drinks, maybe dance, etc.,

-- Modified on 12/23/2007 12:47:12 PM

Your just not aware of it.

but as long as I never know about it, I don't care.

I myself prefer asian girls, but I would never let a lady of another ethnicity think that they were second choice.

Most prefer their own ethnic group. That's the same reason why they don't ask you directly.

However, I would prefer to see a provider who does not find me repulsive.  That's why I said that I appreciate providers who state their preferences upfront as unpopular as that might make her.

As for "most" providers I don't know how you would verify that.  I'm sure many do, but any "statistic" you get on that can only be informal and subjective.  Are you sure you're not just speaking for yourslef and your circle of associates?

A good client also would not pressure a provider to do something she's not comfortable with.

Some reviewers here seem to have been proud to pressure a provider into BBBJ when they were reluctant to do that.

I've had providers refuse to DFK me even though I see it in their reviews.  I let it go once.  If her service is otherwise really good, I might give her another chance.  If it's still a no go, I know it's not YMMV and it's me.  I put it in a review and never see her again, but I do not try to twist her arm.

I don't care. Can't speak for everyone. I've been asked a lot during references.

A good client realizes that, while this is a "hobby" for him, it is the provider's livelihood.  As such, he makes an appointment that he intends to keep.  We all understand that emergencies (work, family, health) do come up, but a good client makes every effort to keep the appointment and arrive on time.  He will call the provider if he is running late, as traffic can be unpredictable.  If he will be a half hour or more late, he will understand if the provider is unable to see him due to other commitments.

A good client confirms the appointment, if a final confirmation is required, and pays attention to any instructions concerning a two call system, etc.

A good client will have checked the information on the provider's website concerning the correct donation.  He will not put her in an uncomfortable position during the appointment by asking the correct donation.  

A good client cares for his personal hygiene.  He will have showered before the appointment, or will ask to use the provider's shower, so that he is fresh and clean.  A shower in the morning and an afternoon or evening appointment does not suffice.

A good client will understand that, while a provider is not a "clock watcher," that does not mean that he can take advantage.   He should be cognizant of the time and if the provider does have to end the appointment, respect that she has other obligations.  She may have a second client who will be arriving and need time to shower and freshen up or may have other personal obligations.  If the client is having a great time, he should ask her about the possibility of extending and the additional donation, rather than assume that her schedule permits this.

Whether the client has brought an alcoholic refreshment, or the provider has offered one, a good client realizes that is not an invitation to get drunk.  A drunk client is difficult and, lets face it, often has performance issues which preclude a truly enjoyable experience.

A good client respects that the provider receives numerous e-mails and calls daily, as well as, daily appointments and a personal life.  As such, he must realize that she cannot always return messages immediately.  If he has scheduled an appointment a month in advance, he should understand that it is not practical to send daily e-mails to her in advance of the appointment.  Being excited about the prospect of seeing her and keeping in touch is good, becoming obsessive is bad.

A good client realizes that, while the provider may have truly enjoyed their time together, this does not equate to emotional involvement.  As I tell my clients "We are meeting in artificial circumstances.  Both of us are on our best behavior and we really don't know each other in the true sense of the word."

A good client and a good provider realize that even if a friendship develop, it is a "friendship with boundaries."  Each must respect those boundaries.  Just as a client would feel uncomfortable if they ran into the provider with out with their S/O and the provider stopped them to say hello, the provider would also feel uncomfortable if they were out with their family and ran into a client.  Likewise, just as the provider should not call their clients as this could cause an uncomfortable situation, a good client realizes that there are times the provider is also unable to talk.

It really goes back to the "golden rule" of treating others as you would like to be treated.  When this is done, everyone has an enjoyable experience!

a good hobbyist will also be very interested in the provider's comfort during the visit... meaning:

1.  not bringing large bags or luggage
2.  arriving discreetly to the right door with envelope not obvious until inside
3.  totally respects her physical boundaries, asks if "okay" before venturing to certain acts, ie daty or fingering either opening
4.  gentle rather than rough
5.  verbally polite and non threatening
6.  is not hard to get out the door at end, ie not expecting lots of exit make-out session at the door
7.  If aware he's last visit of day, offers to help carry her stuff out
8.  etc.

I've found these greatly increase the fun of the session for me as well---- when the provider is totally comfortable, I get treated well!  lol- kind of a "selfish" unselfishness!



-- Modified on 12/24/2007 9:17:20 AM

"If it's still a no go, I know it's not YMMV and it's me."

Isn't that the definition of TMMV?

Hmm...

I personally like guys who are not only clean, nice guys who are fiscally sound, but also have personality. Personality counts. I also like guys who take the time for a little flirting, some sweet words, etc... I think that's fun. Also, someone who can DATY like a fucking champ. That's perfection.

Katie

I still gotta be on the other side of the fence on this. Now I agree with you if the proivder is a 'true' brass kucnkles proffesional.

However, there are some flakes in this business, that this is simply something they are doing until they can (get their degree .. Meet mr right.. .whatever.. )

In that case you will catch a bit of discrimination so, I really can't agree that it's a NON-factor, maybe for some it is.

But they have to get nice and ready (see: lubed) for the guy... So if the guy repulses them, they better have a happy place . . If' I'm making sense here.

Would be interesting to know what women think of to get that natural chemistry to work down there with an ugly dude. Is it KY time, or do they just think of an ex or current boyfriend ? Always wondered.

Would be fascinating.

-m

Of course.

The dilema here is a lot of them don't pre-qualify. A private email saying, I am totally repulsed by this race, this body type, this hair color, whatever it is would help us avoid disasters.

The truth is they are out for a buck and will just go through the motions to get paid mostly.

I mean I"m a big guy, (like 6'0 260) if some chick was like NO FAT GUYS, I'd be like thank you for telling me .. And I would disclose this happily to avoid a bad experience (wouldn't even be remotely upset)..

But as I've said in previous posts, your not gonna find matt damon out there . . we see providers for a reason .. While we are not all hideous, and some may even be attractive,

Especially single people mostly see these girls cause they have a s*** load of FU money , or they can't get laid in real life (self admitted - like myself .. )

I'm going on and on here, but I wish if you had a hangup (as a provider) just put it out there, we can always pass , as can you.

-m

I'd definitly be opposed to placing pressure on a provider , period.

Yeah to me, that's a bad look, to pressure someone into something, that is not obviously stated in their reviews.

What you said in the last paragraph sucks, and proves there is discrimination going on though, and that's my issue.

I'f i had hundreds of thousands of dollars to throw at this a year I'd be ok with YMMV.

If your budgeting this to do twice a month or whatever it is . .that's the issue. Why I think I'm going to find an ATF somehow and stick with that . .

It's exciting to be with a stranger, but if your expecting something that doesn't happen, that someone else got , you leave feeling the lesser man. And that's not what this hobby should be about to me. I can feel like the lesser man asking a girl out in every day life, if I'm paying for disalusion, let's have that.

-m

Ok here comes devils advocate..

First off, I do agree with these statements.

However, say a gentlemen met all of your qualifications above, but was completely hideous to you. Would your list of services diminish for that gentlemen, (remember he MET all of the above guidlines you mentioned.. )

Or if the 'chemistry' was incorrect to your standards.  I mean an ugly guy can hit 500 bullet points of your standards, but can you truly say he will be treated equal to an average or attractive person?

Just wondering -- Don't want anyone to think I'm hideous, just average. . Just being extreme for point of reference.

I think (i dont know if I speak for others..) a lot of us that hobby are looking for an equal playing field with women that we don't get in the real world.

-m

I have to say that with regards to a man's physical appearance, that is IRRELEVANT to the level of service I provide. What makes a man hideous is his behaviour, poor attitude, or poor hygiene.

Sometimes a man who feels himself to be unattractive, also fails to take care of himself because of that belief. But the overwhelming majority of my lovely clients, whether fat, bald, or whatever someone else's definition of unattractive is... are true gentleman, and I treat them accordingly.

To be sure there are gals who screen for race, and that is their right. As far as looks go, I'm not kidding myself about my appearance but I am basing my opinion on 20 years of seeing providers of all ages and all price ranges with me being a fat ugly troll for pretty much all of that time.

A lady who lets a client's appearance effect her service level, provided that he is clean and respectful, is simply not a professional. A true professional will never let you know that she would rather be boinking Brad Pitt than Shrek.

If you see enough ladies it becomes easy to tell when they are trying and when they are not. Live and learn and don't re-book with the ones who don't make you feel like the most important guy in the world during those few hours that you are together.  It's always worked for me.

Too bad I'm not in your neck of the woods.  DATY?  I AM the champ!

I could care less what the girl is doing with anyone else, and it's really none of my business.  As long as for that hour (or two or more), she rocks my world, I'm quite content.

Ultimately you book an appointment with a lady and either enjoy it enough to book again or you don't.
The last thing on my mind is what she does or does not do with other guys.

But I'm about 3200 miles closer to Katie than you are...

...lack of stamina.