in many instances - the opposite is what I find.  Many (certainly not all or even a majority) of the courtesans I have frequented over the past 5 years, have multiple degrees... some were even in various aspects of the corporate world... some - unfortunately - obtained degrees for which there are few (if any) jobs.... (that is the subject of a totally different post)....

But for those who were (or could be) successful - but choose this life... they all have a common thread.... they enjoy the hobby as much as we (males) do.  They are somewhat ribald and recognize that "one man" ain't gonna do it for them.  Yes, some leave - only to return because they miss the life style.  

for some of my civie friends (females) who are aware of my participation in this hobby they ask, "are the women really that impoverished?"  my answer is no, they are a lot like most people, but for the most part - they enjoy what they do...  

and I do suspect that on any given day, they face very unpleasant aspects of the job.... just as do I....

and I try to be fast...LOL.

20% of all future earnings, first born child and her car....she REALLY waned to get out of there.


LOL

It's funny that there is such a misconception about women it this biz. That we're mostly seen as uneducated, unable to get a job in the civie world. Of course, there are many that do get in this line of work for such reasons, but I think people would me amazed at some of our credentials.

I think it's more of the female civie world that views us and thinks, how in the world can we do this?? They must need help. Ironic isn't it?

The majority also enjoy using one form or another of dope.  Sex for money is the easiest and quickest way to get party money.

Her priorities in life then revolve around hooking up for cash and spending the cash on dope. It becomes a vicious addictive cycle that she no longer has control over. It becomes a necessity. (when she's too fucked up, she uses a driver.  That typically reveals she's already had many DUI's and can no longer drive herself, but she still needs dope money)   A traditional career becomes too complex to deal with and she'd rather make the fast cash via hooking up, then partying, then hooking up more for more fast cash.

This is the life of a typical high class or street level ho.  Dope is the primary motivating factor. IMO, perhaps 20% are in the escort profession stictly because they thought they'd be good at it and they've had sooo many BF's or husbands in the past
that they do not want to go that route again.  The other 80% just like their dope (coke, oxy, crack, booze, pot, heroin etc etc)
JH1

for I have learned a thing or two from several ladies... one taught me a trick in real estate... on taught me a trick that I wish I had know when getting a divorce (has to do with public records), one taught me about the city I went to school in - and thought I knew pretty well... and several have taught me about courage.... in all sorts of flavors and colors...

I think it's helpful to keep in mind what Bill
Maher said recently... (I'm paraphrasing here)in 2008, there are just more girls who don't want to work hard all week to get that money. There are a lot of girls who are just hoes.

To suggest that 20% are in it because of fast cash and 80% are in it to support a raging drug habit seems highly biased and skewed and it seems to support nothing more than your own prejudices.

Yup, there are a lot of stupid stereotypes out there and your idea of 80% of us being raging drug addicts (when most ladies on this site don't even like men to drink in their presence or to enjoy one themselves) is nowhere near the reality of the ladies on here. Your assumptions are biased and wrong.

Katie

I know there are girls that like their recreational drugs in this biz, but I don't believe your guess at 80% is accurate...  Certainly it's not in my world, but then again, I understand that my world is not an accurate cross section of the industry as a whole.

Cheers!

xoM

Seriously, not one single woman that I know personally in this business is a drug addict. I know there are some out there. Obviously there is that part of the business but to assume that 80% of us are all raging drug addicts is ridiculous.

I for one have never, and I mean never, taken any drugs in my life. I drink maybe once or twice a month. The majority of the ladies that I know are not addicted to anything.

This IS fast cash and that IS why most of us do it. I don't do it because I've had SOOO many boyfriends or husbands in the past. I do it so I can BUY a home within two years. I do it so I can purchase and start a private business within five.

Setting goals for yourself and meeting them is something that I think is imperative in this business. Knowing exactly what you're working towards and meeting it is the best and only high I need. Watching my debt disappear and my bank account rise makes my world go round.

The point being, when I've accomplished the goals I have set I'll hang up MY garter belt and exchange them for a different sort of suit.

~Rae

IMO, NOT 20% are into escorting for the fast cash, more like 95 to 100%.  What the escort does with the cash  after she gets it comes down to the 80% are motivated to spend it on party related materials and 20% spend it as any other traditional office or non provider woman would.  

The reason most escorts are broke all the time despite earning 10 times more per hour than the typical John who sees her, is because of what she typically does with the money she earns.  IMO, that spread sheet would look some thing like this:
Two hook ups a day at $200 each = $400 a day times 6 a week (one day off for church - ha ha ha ) = $2,400 cash a week times 4 weeks = $9,600 cash a month.  All tax free and all under the table.  For tax reasons she might report that she is a cocktail waitress and earns $1,000 a month or better yet, she falls between the cracks and does not file a tax return at all.

Of the $9,600 cash per month, 80% of the ho's will spend it some thing like this: housing (includes mortgage or rent) $1,000 a month, food $700 to $1,000 a month (eating on the run costs a lot) car expenses $500 a month.  Other misc expenses $500 a month.  Expenses = aproximately $3,000 a month.  Conservative income $9,600.  The reason she is broke all the time? The balance of $6,600 a month typically goes to coke in the powder or rock form.  This IMO is why drug laws are so strict and why DUI laws are so strict.  This is also why many able bodied ho's need to have drivers.

The estimation above only applies to 80% of all high class and street level ho's.  20% do not have party materials as an issue.  They spend their money as any woman with an alternative life style would.

IMO, the reason escorts prefer a John to not be under the influence of alcohol or dope when on a date with her, is for the same reason society has stong dope laws, dope makes a person sloppy and causes them to do things they might not otherwise do. The are more prone to become a danger to themselves and those around them.  An escort typically has enough problems in her own life, she does not need to see a John who is in the same boat as her.  Also, it screws up the John's ability to cum.  A John who can't cum is not what most ho's wanna see.  They need for him to shoot the load and be out the door.

In the whole moral spectrum of things, prostitution is illegal because in addition to being contrary to family values, it is contrary to what most law makers deem as a moral thing.  If prostitution and drugs did not go hand in hand, there would probably be a better fight for making it a legal occupation across USA. (instead of only in Vegas)  Since it is connected, the legalization of prostitution may never happen, for the safety of society and the ho herself.

I am a full time hobbyist. I ONLY see women as sensual objects that exist for the pleasure of Man. Ok, ok, maybe 10% of the time I see them as equal human beings just trying to make a life for them selves like every one else.  The other 90% love money and the things money buys and their primary purpose on earth is to look good and serve Man.
JH1

Ok ok ok, you fit with in the 20% category!  You must come from the mid-west, your values seem so clean.

Good girl on never taking drugs.  Stay that way, the other 80% of your cohorts tend to end up living a sloppy life that revolves around powder and rock.

How did this pure little child of God cultivate this habit for desiring cash so much? Fast cash and a desire for a business in 5 years.  Most women would not allow strange men so slide the epidermis of his penis with in the personal crevices of her vagina and poop shooter solely in exchange for money.  Is it only money that makes a ho differ from other non ho women?

Rare is the woman who will hang up her garter belt.  Once engaged in this profession, it is like the mafia, it is in her blood and stays there till death due her part.

I do know of a couple female medical doctors who made it through med school on their back and sucking the cocks of strange men.  It is really fun seeing them for an office visit in their clean white coats with medical doctor embroidered along with their name.  I wonder if they'd be embarrassed if all of their patients knew of their risque past which got them to where they currently are?

It will be a sad day when you hang up your garter.  Men just love when they can consume women sexually.  When one removes her wares from the market, it is a sad day, sad indeed.
JH1

If you want to examine a profession that has a raging drug problem, its mine, the legal profesison,.

The biggest problem the State Bar of GA has is "lawyer impairment".  I know, I used to work on the Bar intervention program.  Its everything from cocaine to booze.  

I have yet to meet a provider that was impaired.

GT

Yes, it's amazing how mis-informed the media and public in general about high-end (pun intended) providers - all that I've known have been well-educated and quite capable of making it in the civvie world.  Several, in fact, still have jobs, mostly consultant-type situations, but love the life and love sex.  Period.  

As for us hobbyists, I can only speak for myself, but smart women with powerful sex drives are the sexiest women in the world.

I cannot take the chance of being caught with someone who does drugs.  One of the civies that I sometimes date, does drugs.  It keeps me from seeing her more often, it has hurt her relationship with her friends and family... and when she does drugs, she is barely intelligible, and I know to stay away.  

Do you really believe this?  I know more providers who have kids than single civie women!  Most are very protective of their private lives and would do nothing to endanger their kids.  One provider I know, who is also a porn star, has kids.  She and I most often talk about how to deal with issues at school... not exactly glamour eh?

Where do you get your info...  (reference - and this should be CDC stats and NOT off some blog) I agree, cruise around in your car and I suspect you will get the 20-80 split.... but for the ladies on this web site... and legit high end escorts?  more like 99 to 1.  

One of the first escorts I saw since my divorce has a clinical degree in psychology.... and several legit acting credits to her name... and she has since disappeared from the escorting scene.... would love to see her again... (she also happens to be a baseball fan).....  she more than not represents the bulk of the ladies that I frequent.  Do YOU have advanced degrees?  

And another thing... I know one escort - strictly as a friend... her life is interesting... she has a legit job, but it pays little... she is a single mom - trying to raise a kid... this gives her the flexibility and income necessary to raise a kid (and yes, she has a college degree - and is one of the nicest people I know -  as a friend - if she were to call and ask a favor - were it in my power to grant I would do so...)  

Finally, I use to take a bottle of wine to sessions... until I noticed that on most appointments, it was not even touched by the lady... they cannot function if drunk or drugged - at the level we expect... and having been on "extended dates" if they are on something - it has an extremely long half-life or sustained delivery system...

Get real

yea.... an insult - to the guys as well as the ladies.

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That 98.4% of men that frequent trannies are flaming homosexuals.

Sorry to any TS's that I have offended, I just couldn't resist.

You might want to peruse his list of reviews for a little insight.

I am sure your world is just as accurate a cross section of the industry as his. You are just smart enough to realize you don't speak for the entire industry.

well you have it wrong most stay in it because of the money do any of you relize how much they make sometimes more then any off men thet see them. i know all to well as used to date a provider i seen what came in. so if you think they do it because they enjoy it your dead wrong its the MONEY. and if you really think they enjoy it your wrong again most of it is an act come one guys its a service they do there job make you feel like your god for an hr or 2. on a finale note shit if i had the body of some of the woman and was female i do it as well i could retire i less then 5 yr.

Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with this post other than to prove that most people don't need a verifiable fact-base to have strongly held convictions.

By the way, prostitution is not legal in Vegas, but it is legal in certain counties in Nevada.

that you can have such a smug and insulting opinion of these women yet you seem to feel pretty good about yourself for exchanging your money for sex with them.

If you would share these sentiments with the ladies at the start of every session I imaging you would spend a lot more time jerking off - if you were able to escape from the session with your genitals intact.

Ha ha ha, that's pretty funny.

If you want to know the TRUE statistic on homosexual and TS escort interaction.  I will give it to you now:

90 to 95% of men who see pre-op TS escorts (those escorts who have a hard cock) are straight men.

5% to 10% of men who see pre-op TS's are bi-sexual men. (these are men who see BOTH TS's and also have sex with men)

0% (that is zero percent) of men who have sex with transsexuals are homosexual.

A homosexual man has NEVER has sex with a TS.  Gay men are NOT attracted to TS's.  As a matter of fact, if you knew any TS escorts, you could ask them "do gay men come to hook up with you"? Most ALL TS escorts will tell you that hooking up with TS's is a straight mans hobby, not a gay mans hobby.  If TS escorts depended upon gay men for their business, they would be out of business over night.  Gay men do NOT have sex with human beings who appear as women or are women.

Lord Jesus John The Baptist Holmes

Not only are your figures off for things like rent (as if a girl could find a decent place in L.A. or other metropolitan cities for that price!) but you also forget all the maintenance fees, those ladies who have kids they put first and foremost, and a whole host of things that come before dope/alcohol.

Not every lady works so much (I for one am very low volume and don't make that money. I make a little extra to supplement my scholarship and that's fine. I also don't use drugs and rarely drink in social occasions.)

Furthermore, not every lady spends her money the way you imagine. Hell, there are a variety of reasons ladies are in this business and a variety of things that they want to accomplish with their earnings. As for taxes and such, you're way off as well.

Your assumptions are not only wrong, they're insulting. Your tongue in cheek comments about 10% being equal to you isn't very kind either.

Hell, by your post, I'd wager the majority of escorts to be far superior to your caveman-esque qualities.

Your posts are unappreciated and you've revealed yourself to be a jackass.

Yup, I said it. You're an asshole.

You are insulting, rude, degrading, and I personally hope the rest of the ladies are making a mental note not to see such an asshole like  you. Write his handle down ladies lest you find yourself in an appt. with a rude mysogynist like himself. By the way, you don't need to refer to ladies as ho's. To you, we are ladies, ladies who won't be seeing you in the future, you flaming asshole.

Katie

Most escorts DO make more than Johns.  It is funny how on our local board which has a real community feel to it despite having 16,000+ members, John's have been known to have fund raisers to help out an escort who was in a financial bind.  Fact of the matter is, escorts typically earn MUCH more per hour of her time than the John who is seeing her does.  The difference is what the escort is typically doing with her money that is causing her to be continually broke.  To add further humor is not only do escorts earn hundreds of dollars per hour, but they also have gift lists in their web site, seeking to get some MORE niceities on top of cash.

Personally, I'd be a massage girl if I had the option.  Giving fluffy body rubs and hand jobs all day long is a cleaner way to earn a living IMO.  DFK'ing and having strange men stick their cocks in me for a living is not exactly what I'd call a "good life".  As a John though, I appreciate all the escorts who do what they do, for what ever reason they do it.
JH1

Hi Katie - Thanks for the comments.  IMO, every one of us is considered an asshole via some other fellow human being on earth.  Think of it, for all of the men who are in love with a divorced woman, the man who was with her prior to him, thinks she's an asshole!  I am sure many of your former BF's think you are an asshole.  We're all a bunch of assholes!  Speaking of assholes, I LOVE to lick a pretty girls asshole. To tell you the truth, I am into scat, I would let my tongue be her toilet paper! Ummmm ummmm gooood! Wash it down with a little of her yellow zinfendel fresh from her Nappa Valley vine yards and I am in heaven!

In my neck of the woods. escorts are like restaurants, you can eat in a different one every day and at the end of the year never eat in the same one twice.  Except ho's are even MORE common than that.  In Fort Lauderdale, I could bang 5 different ho's a day, 150 different ones a month and at the end of the year, still have thousands more that are available to me.  Fort Lauderdale is a smorgasboard of pussy for hire.  between the massage girls, escorts, TS's etc etc, it is the ho who has to be careful what she says.  Johns can pick and choose.

You are cute, a little plump and with your rates, you would be starving in this economy in Fort Laud.  There are much better for much less but I do see you have good reviews on TER.  Keep up the good work and wishing you all the best.

Lord Jesus John The Baptist Holmes Thee First

You'd be amazed. For one, I am thee perfect John. Like Bond, tall dark and handsome.  Respectful, appreciative, loving, caring, friendly, social, informative, helpful.  A good guy.  However, that does not take away from the fact that both the ho and myself are sinful human beings who are doing some thing that is hidden from mainstream society and is a dark thing to do.  It is sinful, it is sharing my intimate parts with the intimate parts of a strange women.  It is a beautifully nasty thing to do.

ALL escorts are very happy to see me.  I am a gift John!

Would you believe that most all escorts never clock watch with me and most always spend a half hour or hour or more after the session just chatting?

Lord Jesus John The Baptist Holmes Thee First

80% are motivated to spend it on party related materials -  where do you derive this statistic from? and are you saying that 80% spend 100% of their income on "party related materials?" or that 100% spend 80% of their income on "party related materials?"  IN short, this is an absurd stat.

20% spend it as any other traditional office or non provider woman would.  ???  I know some traditional office workers... one in particular 0 who spends THOUSANDS of dollars a month on spas.... and aroma therapy... does that seem rational to you?  and she is a civie... with a very high profile job...

broke all the time despite earning 10 times more per hour than the typical John who sees her

Doe this stat take into account down time?  I know some high profile providers who have DAYS of down town.... again, what is this based on?

Spreadsheet = Two hook ups a day at $200 each = $400 a day times 6 a week (one day off) = $2,400 cash a week times 4 weeks = $9,600 cash a month.

Cost of hotel?  Gas... feminine products?  health care (insurance - which I know many providers have and use to prevent disease),  advertising.... hummmm!?  notacibly missing form this  

All tax free.... does not file a tax return at all.  

Sure - try it....

Of the $9,600 cash per month,
This translates to $115,200 a year - not a lot of money! with $4 a gallon gas.

Housing -         $1,000 a month,
Food      $700 to $1,000 a month
Car expenses        $500 a month.  
Other misc expenses $500 a month.  
Expenses =        $3,000 a month.  

Missing...  Insurance. Advertising. Hotel costs. In short overhead.

$6,600 a month typically goes to coke
Based on what?

This is also why many able bodied ho's need to have drivers. -
Ladies need drivers for reasons other than drinking...

"dope makes a person sloppy and causes them to do things they might not otherwise do. The are more prone to become a danger to themselves and those around them."  

HENCE THE NEED FOR DRIVERS?  

In the whole moral spectrum of things, prostitution is illegal

Then you should not hobby!!!

because... being contrary to family values, it is contrary to what most law makers deem as a moral thing.  

For over the first half of this country's history - prostitution WAS legal - or at lease not criminalized.

If prostitution and drugs did not go hand in hand, there would probably be a better fight for making it a legal occupation across USA. (instead of only in Vegas)  Since it is connected, the legalization of prostitution may never happen, for the safety of society and the ho herself.

I ONLY see women as sensual objects that exist for the pleasure of Man.

Wow, you miss the best parts of this hobby!

That about sum it up!

The woman that I know in this profession (and myself included) don't use dope or any other  "mind numbing" substance.  I also have only had ONE husband, was not abused as a child and am not on welfare.  By the way, I could also get any "civie" date that I wanted.

I am in this profession because I enjoy meeting new people (at least the intelligent ones that don't generalize!) and being able to do what I want with whomever I want.  

Maybe you have to stop searching CL and find some real women....

**getting off soap box now**

Great!  I have a hooker preaching to me!

Let's go to church.

Your butt is astounding (ass pounding )

To get...

blashemy ( a blast from me )

You're cute Katie

I think I love you.

Lord Jesus John The Baptist Holmes Thee First

Read his reviews - SEVERAL of his appointments were spent with him doing just that.  Guess that's what happens when you pay $60 for a 15 minute appointment......

But then again, REAL GFE's wouldn't see the ass.  His wallet and his intelligence (or lack there of) wouldn't allow it.  We won't even mention the probability of him being 1% the size of John Holmes....

Nice Alias by the way....too parnoid to drop the retarded statement bomb under your regular name?

You have no basis for your statistics, your storyline is antiquated and I just reaized as I am respondng to this I know your post is just a troll.

It does not matter how well written your posts are, your Excel Spreadsheet is flawed in more ways than one. But I can already tell you have convinced yourself you are the only one that is right. So have fun with this, it's almost comical to watch, in  sick delusional kind of way.

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BSD - You seem like a very nice guy.  Why do you find it insulting that 80% of escorts use party materials?  As if it is a negative connotation to use drugs.  If it is so negative, why do so many escorts use drugs?  For that matter, why do so many Hollywood stars use drugs?  The fact of the matter is, they use drugs to feel good.  However, drug use is generally not a mainstream population socially accepted thing.  Just as being a prostitute is not a mainstream society socially accepted thing.  It may be accepted in our John / Ho circle of friends, but not in mainstream society.  If it was acceptable in mainstream society, Gov Spitzer of NY would not have had to step down as governor of NY.

None of us can take the chance of being with some one who takes drugs.  The criminal penalties for some one with any sizable amount of drugs in their posession is pretty stiff.  Unless a person wants to experience jail and a trip through our judicial system, drugs are not a good thing.  IMO, they are not a good thing under any circumstances.

BSD - you are most definitely an upstanding guy, but so far it seems you associate with people of many different questionable characters.  You say you can't take the chance of being caught with any one who does drugs. Does this infer that you had a personal or legal issue in the past that you know you never wanna take the chance of rekindling in the future?

Providers who have young children know the paranoid crazy life they must lead in order to be a ho and compartmentalize her ho life from mainstream family orientated and or school life for her kids.  This is the price a woman pays for desiring to be a prostitute yet blend in with traditional conservative society.  It is not easy, but for sure it is something any ho with kids must do.

The sinful nature of prostitution draws many women in.  Even those with high degrees.  I personally have seen a highly touted escort who has an MBA business degree.  If I recall correctly, she went 4 more years beyond her basic 4 year college degree.  Know what her specialty is and why me and 100's of my buddies have seen her? Asian.  In other words, she licks mens assholes for 20 to 30 minutes on every date she has. Then BBBJ, then suit up and she gets on top reverse cow girl anal.  Then condom off and BBBJTCIM.  Load one down and keeps milking the loads till you have no more to shoot. 125 roses half hour, 200 hour.  She gave up a corporate career to lick 5 or 6 strange mens assholes every day.  Likes her Oxy too.

BSD - you seem like a super dude, however, I hope your circle of friends is greater than ho's with advanced degrees.  Is every one you associate with of the dark side?  None lead a normal life?

Please do not take it as an insult that ho's lead a life of illegality which many times includes illegal drugs.  It is par for the course and goes with the territory.

I'd write more but I gotta run, this new hot babe is into licking ass and BBJTCIM and she's only 75 roses.  A real classy girl, I am sure you'd like her my brother.

John Holmes

I got to tell you, I don't use any drugs of any kind aside form the advil I just took for the headache your opinion just gave me.
I got into this biz as a business decission. Purely! I love sex and Enjoy all the connections I have made here doing this,so I knew I could make it work but no issues here with drugs or drinking or anything to do with either, I have a drivers license and never had an accident.
Your view of the Ladies who choose this life style are very jaded. And so quite untrue. Yes there is that aspect of it as well but truely as far as the cash flow that is generated by this business, the majority is not obtained by the "street whore" so you say, nor does it flow back into the street for drugs. Its the Ladies here and elsewhere who benefit and have lives aside from this. We live healthy lives, with families, friends as do you Gentlemen.  I hate it when someone thinks they KNOW who I am and what I am all about. I am nothing like what you expect, or what you have so ignorantly discribed.

I know though most likely that you are just out to start a fight. I find it hard to believe you really are this stupid! Nah you couldn't be.

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I think the hobbyists that are defending against John Holmes posts are just as off.  Yeah, the girls all love sex so much, this is what they do...  They could all do great in the corporate world, but love sex so much that they would meet a stranger and have intimate relations with him for a donation.  Some hobbyists like to delude themselves.  Providers may like their clients and may even enjoy the company of some of them, but it is after all a service and a business.  At the end of the day, for whatever reason, it is for the money.  John Holmes has some valid points, but too bad he presents them in such an offensive disrespectful way towards women (even though looking at his reviews, he doesn't even see women. LOL.... intermixed with his blatantly distorted mis-characterizations and unsupported statistics. and I don't buy his excuse about only straight men seeing TS's....ther'es got to be an underlying reason he sees only TS's...something's going on there, dude).  So, it's not either extremes--one extreme where John Holmes sees them as drug sniffing "ho's" (sorry, just quoting him) and the ohter as almost super-women who are super-educated, super-well-adjusted who just LOOOOOOOVE sex so much that is why they do this (where they can manage to be soccer moms/corporate women/women prusuing degrees yet see strange men for donations. I do know a lot of providers and some of them are bad with money.  Some get accustomed to high-living life style, some do partake in drugs, then there are others are doing it with a goal in mind or realize they can be rich fast and the other options aren't as assured.  If you guys knew how much some of these well-reviewed providers, your head would spin.  It is crazy money.  It seems like both sides are b'sing or distoring the reality.  It's not alwasy the way of John Holmes scary world, but it's not this fake fairy tale provider vision that some of these white knight hobbyists like to paint all the time.

Please tell me you are a post op transsexual!  No genetic girl looks like that!

I'll tell you what I think the perception differences are.  I am being truthful in what I say. (I always am)  South Florida is SWAMPED with escorts.  So far almost every escort who has objected to my posting so far, seems to seek 300 to 500 roses per hour of her time. Down here, you literally have fashion models hooking up for 150 to 200, average girl next door type for 100 to 150.  CL and bargain girls for less.  There is such an over abundance of massage, TS and GG escorts that they are literally a dime a dozen.

As a matter of fact, there is a $30 place that has a new latin girl who's decently pretty every Monday. (between age 18 and 35)  A John gets a quickie CBJ and covered full service for 30 roses and the most he is allowed to tip is $5 if she is average and $10 is she is hot. (I am not kidding)

I think that is why many posters from other segments of USA have difficulty with what I am saying.  Maybe in Boston, NY and CA, escorts get 500 roses an hour, but down here Demi Moore and Julia Roberts, might get 500 and at best and via heavy promotion of herself, Nicole might get 150 to 200.  I personally am swamped with choices of the type of women who've objected to my posts so far, in the 60 roses for body rub and 100 to 150 hook up category.  Swamped.  I guess as shocking as my words are to you 'all, I find it just as eye opening that in segments of our country, ho's are getting 300, 400 and 500 an hour for her time.  Is there not a recession going on?  It is amazing!  What ever the market will bear I guess.  No shit, down here, for an escort to be seeking 250 an hour she really has to be cream of the crop fashion model, run way, Victoria Secret model perfection and even then she is up against a saturated market of thousands of 100 to 200 roses escorts.  Whether it be TS, body rub, pro massage or escort, they are all a dime a dozen down here. Do not take this as an insult. For Johns who live else where in USA, take it that you are living in the wrong place my brother!

Can I borrow an Advil, I'm having too much fun writing and I did not make it to my one and a half hour professional Asian massage (dozens of Korean girls age 20 to 35, most like 5' 4" 115 lbs on average) with walk on the back, steam saunna, body scrub and happy ending, all for 80 roses. Advil please!

Hyperbolic John Holmes

Especially when it's well deserved. -e

Yup, a bunch of barking dogs is almost as much fun as....

A bunch of squirting pussies.

Lord Jesus John The Baptist Holmes Thee First

Here's my summation of your post:

Blah blah blah "in my opinion" blah blah blah "in my opinion" blah blah glah "in my opinion" blah blah blah mor foundless garbage ad nauseum.

You keep stating your OPINION but provide nothing to show as FACT.  Your opinion means nothing to anybody but YOU unless you can back it up.  You've provided not FACTS to back it up, meaning that basically you are just wasting post space to see your opinions in print.

Again, what a fountainhead of baseless statistics you are.

Of course, none of this means ANYTHING unless you can provide your sources.  Of course you won't because you CAN'T.  You just make up your crap as you go along.

Now run along and see another TS and pretend you don't like guys.

and it's fully justified.

May your crotch become a nest of flesh-eating lice.  

Go ahead, John.  Visit my site and then tell me that I'm a chubby ho who wouldn't make enough money to buy a stick of gum in FL.  I'm glad I'm not in Florida because I might accidentially run over you and knock the alignment out on my car, putting you in a coma during which time all the hos (who are thrilled by your cock-- which is probably the size of your namesake's pinky toenail) will commit hari-kari because they're so lonely without you.  

Yeah, this is a flame.  Moderator, have fun.

Instead you are a closet homo, judging by the number of TS providers you have seen.  So you are OK sticking your dick in another DUDE (regardless of what HE looks like, if the provider has a DICK then the provider is a DUDE) but make fun of the ladies.

What a gem you must be.

See there you go...not happy when someone, gives you their opinion of what you say, you have to try a lame insult. I am absolutely NOT your type... Its all good babe I wouldn't see you anyway and now I don't have to worry about it.

-- Modified on 4/12/2008 5:52:49 PM

... And that is that you are an asshole, as you said in the post above.

A "lady" would say "sexual intercourse off", not "fuck off"

Hyperbolic John Holmes

Nicole - You are VERY cute in a girl next door kinda way.

You absolutely ARE my type (as a matter of fact, of all the escorts who've responded to my posts in this discussion section in the past day or two, I think YOU are the cutest)  We'd have a passionate love / hate relationship I am sure.

However, neither of us is looking for a relationship and for sure the girl next door type does not draw 300 roses from my wallet.

Keep up the great work.  All your 9's for performance reveal that your heart is in your profession.

You are very sweet.  It is kinda interesting to see how ho's react to being objectified.

JH1

Bryan - Sexuality and sexual orientation is not a scientific topic.  It is subjective to ones opinion.  You disagree with my opinion pertaining to TS's and the men who see them.  My opinion has been formulated after 25+ years of observing the TS community in depth.

Here is the primary difference of thought pattern via a TS enthusiast and a person who is not into TS's.  The non enthusiast might think that since the tranny chaser likes t-girls (who have a cock), that this tranny chaser will also like men (who have a cock)  What you do not understand, and the reason for the whole fetish of TS's, is that the cock MUST be attached to a womans body.

Now, from my 25+ years of being around TS's and GG's (genetic girls) and the men who seek both, I came to this unscientific postulate: about 90% of all men who are into TS's are also into GG's.  About 10% of men who are into TS's are also into GG's and men.  Listen to this: ZERO PERCENT of men are into TS's and men.

Again, this is not science.  Sexuality and sexual perference and gender are subjective to opinion and are not scientific topics.

Gay men seek MEN sexually and emotionally.  IMO, if a gay man ever had sex with a passable pre op TS, that would make him bi, for the fact that I consider a pre op TS a woman. (hence the gay man now had sex with a woman, which now means he is into both women and men).

If this was not confusing enough, let me add this:  I know of a guy who is a cross dresser. (he's 5' 7" 135 lbs) He lives as a man 7 days a week and two nights a week he dresses as a woman. High heels, womens lingerie, make up, the whole shebang.  He now feels like he is a woman mentally, emotionally and physically. In an average year, he (now dressed as she) hooks up with about 300 different men who fuck "her" ass.  She loves being on the bottom and totally felling like a woman. Hear this: "She" feels she is not gay and has never had gay sex in her life.  She feels that she is a woman when men fuck her and as a man he would never let a man fuck his ass, but as a woman she does about 300 times a year.

You, I assume are an out sider to the TS hobbying community and may consider it to be 100% bull shit, just as you may think ALL men who have sex with a "chick with a dick" are gay.  You are entitled to that opinion.  However, 90% of men who hook up with TS's might take offence, only for the fact that they are not and never have been interested in MEN sexually or emotionally.  This is what the bizarrity of the whole fetish of John's who see TS's is all about.  The freakiness of a beautiful woman who has an erect penis that cums.

I bet ya you still think differently and that is OK, because this is not science, this is opinion.
JH1

...of all of the "hos" you seek.

Your posts are tragic.

Under Nevada state law, any county with a population of less than 400,000 as of the last decennial census[1] is allowed to license brothels if it so chooses.[2] As of the most recent census in 2000, only Clark County (which contains Las Vegas) had a population above 400,000.[3] Incorporated towns and cities in counties that allow prostitution may regulate the trade further or prohibit it altogether.

As of July 2004, brothels are illegal under county or municipal law in Washoe County (which contains Reno), Carson City (an independent city), Douglas County, and Lincoln County. Eureka County neither permits nor prohibits licensed brothels and does not have any. The other 11 counties permit licensed brothels in certain specified areas or cities


In Rhode Island the act of prostitution is legal as long as it happens indoors.[1][2][3] Street solicitation is therefore illegal. Operating a brothel is also illegal. Otherwise prostitution is not regulated by the state of Rhode Island.

80% of 'johns' dont know wtf they are talking about 95% of the time cuz 85% of the time they are thinking with their dicks and an additional 75% of that time is spent high..

dont worry about what i do with my money. thats my business. when i buy a hamburger, do i ask you what you're going to do with the money ?

His of course.  Check the nesting of the posts and it's obvious.

Re: Hello Bitch

I do believe there is an appostrophy in the plural of "ho".

A unit of "one ho" would be written "a ho".

More than one ho, would be "ho's"

The way you wrote it, it might be mistaken for a man by the name of "Hos"

A ho who yodels might sound like this: ho del la dy ho!!!, ho del la dy ho!!!

However, a ho is a ho is a ho is a ho and that is no shit.

(if it was shit, it would be "ho shit")  Personally I think ho shit is nicer than horse shit.  The piles are much smaller, but they are smellier too.  Ho shit is nice shit.

Know how you know a ho is a ho is a ho is a ho?  When we have a GT (get together) and you notice many old ho's (those ho's of the decrepid old age of 30's and 40's in which one foot is on the bananna peel and the other is one foot above that black dark hole of the flaming pit where ho's most likely spend eternity with the Pitch Fork Man).  Anyway, when the old $300+ an hour ho's are in a social setting with new "fresh meat spring chicken ho's" who are new and wet behind the ears and offer a 100 roses special to attract new clientele. A John begins to ponder, is old decrepid $300 hag pussy meat really worth the fee when there is fresh Purdue farms spring chicken ho meat available for $100?  Escpecially when those spring chickens are in their late teens and early twenties.  After all, it is said that a man is only as old as the woman he feels.  Most guys I know who are in their 50's and 60's LOVE to feel 18 again!!

Nice to meet you Black Bitch Ho.

Lord Jesus John The Baptist Holmes Thee First

Hi Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!  
I mean AnaBangBang!

A full time hobbyist IMO is a man who's full time diet of women is solely of those women who sell time spend with them via the 15 minute, 30 minute and hour or more session.  A full time hobbyist does not have a wife or a GF.  IMO, the man with a wife or a GF is a part time hobbyist because his attention is diverted via "non for hire" women.

You write quite attractively creative, especially in your web site.  You appear quite sweet and warm in addition to having a decently attractive session rate.  Keep up the good work!

Ut oh!  Who outed me?! How did you find out I own all 76 Miami Subs hamburger restaurants in south Florida?

JH1

We just have a semantic differing of opinions and definitions.

A closet homo, IMO, is a man who is attracted to MEN, but he keeps this homosexual interest secret from all those around him.

It does dis-service to gay men (men who are sexually into men) to have ME be included into their category.  I am flattered and proud to be considered a homo, but I am not entitled to such a status label, only because I have never had sex with a man.

You share the typical thoughts of a person who is not into and does not understand the fetish hobby of straight men who have sexual intercourse with pre-op transsexual women.  That typically comes from the inability to perceive the difference between a man and a pre-op TS woman.  Despite the fact that both a man and pre-op TS woman have penis's that become erect and shoot cum.  They share nothing else in common other than the fact that they are both human beings.  In the psychedelic diversity of human interaction, it takes a more complex mind to simplify such enigmatic esotericness.  I imagine you are lacking this ability?

I do not make fun of the prostitutes.  I appreciate the services they offer and am happy to contribute to their sinful cause and compensate them with 50 roses or so for a good BBBJTCIM.  It is nice if they swallow, but they don't have to.

We are all gems and like snow flakes are unique human beings and God has his hand on each one of us.  Some are more in tune with that and some are not.

Lord Jesus John The Baptist Holmes Thee First

I Agree with Rae.  

Did you perhaps even think of the fact that a lot of us are single parents? Raising our kids without any help from the fathers?

Add:
School tuition and books
not to mention the cost of school trips
Clothing and shoes
Medical coverage
allowance for each child
family outings

Some of us have started out with nothing after a divorce. We've had to BUILD what we have so far. Struggling to put food on the table, working 2 jobs, not having that time with your children except in passing in the mornings.
There are a LOT of reasons some of us have entered into this business, and assuming that 80% of us are heavily involved with drugs is completely ungrounded except perhaps by your twisted little ideal of what an escort really is.

I could go on, but I'm so PO'ed I don't want to get rude here.
Get a grip and open your eyes.
Where I live it's difficult enough to get even 2 dates a month. THAT is what helps me pay the little bit of bills I have.
Don't you think I want to go back to school? The thought of going into that deep of debt again is what stops me from signing up. So I live just to get by.

damn i'm PO!!

Diana

I think he's drowning in his own delusions, though, so he won't get the message. I have to wonder, though, it almost sounds as if he's jealous of his own made up view, that we are all making money hand over fist, screwing these guys over and spending it so freely as to buy drugs all day every day. I guess I missed the drug boat, though. Maybe that means I'm not one of the cool kids. lol.

Katie

Me too Katie...me too.
It would be different if I had fine china in my china cabinet. That is IF I had a china cabinet.
Or Furs galore hanging in my closet. Jewels on my neck, and a set of Heels for every day of the month.
My kids don't have everything their friends have, and they know MOM can't afford that Motorcross Bike their friends have. Or their first car their parents bought for them. But we do our BEST for our kids.
OUR KIDS come FIRST! If that means I have to go without then SO BE IT!
Not everyone can drive fancy cars, and live in fancy condos. That comes from damn hard work and commitment on building your life to that standard. I applaud the ladies that have all that!
Does that mean they can afford all those recreational drugs that make us look act and sound like the druggies he means to paint us as? HELL NO!
It's the kind of street-walkers he is used to meeting. The ones who are willing to charge 60 bucks  just for their next fix.
I'm worth more than that and I'm sure a bunch of other ladies here are as well! Not because we choose to set those rates, but because we all know what we are worth in our dates, our mannerisms, as well as our personality.
I'm a NO-RUSH GFE and I'm DAMN GOOD at what I do because everyone deserves the best at what I have to offer.
NO one is gonna tell me I'm overpriced, and overpaid!
Try living in MY shoes for 60 days @ $1200.00 a month.
THEN you can talk to me about what I spend MY money on!!!

Pardon my french people but...
John, Your an ASSHOLE!

Ladies, this guy's not worth another post. He's not in your league.  He has clearly identified himself as a bottom-feeding ignoramus. You would never see a guy like this no matter what he offered to pay and he generally doesn't pay enough to see decent women. I know it's hard not to get pissed off, but in the end, his opinion is not relevant to who you are. He has a distorted view of reality with himself in an exalted position. He enjoys spouting these insulting opinions based on fabricated statistics just to get a rise out of everybody. Seems like he feeds on your anger. I would guess that there is a name for this condition and I'm sure the Love Goddess could tell us what it is. For those of us not schooled in psychology, the word "asshole" works just fine.

Well, like in most things, I'm sure the truth is somewhere between the extremes. If you want to pick out the skankiest streetwalkers you probably get one profile, but if you look at someone who creates and operates a successful sole-practitioner business over an extended period of time, hard to see how a hard-core druggie could keep that going. Operating a business seems goal-oriented to me, whether the goal is just extra cash to stay out of poverty or enough income to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous. You have to give some credit to ladies who can operate a successful business venture for several years, and clearly some are more successful than others.

As to crazy money, I don't think it's that crazy considering the personal risk involved and the relatively limited career length - similar to the career of a professional athlete or an entertainer, with the added risk that you could get busted. Did you know that the minimum salary in Major League Baseball is $390K? Your lawyer or accountant can work well into their 70's. I know there are some mature providers out there, but not that mature!  You probably felt like you got f**d by your attorney last time you dealt with him or her, and how much did that cost you? At least you leave a session with the ladies with a smile on your face.

Of course, there are many awesome ladies in the profession.  I just roll my eyes at the "white knight" hobbyists that always have to paint this totally bogus Disney version of escorts (I guess to make themselves feel better)...they turn them into these incredible wonder women that happen to love sex so much they would start meeting complete strangers for some intimate encounters.  By the way, you can operate a successful business...in fact you can perform at a high level professionally and take drugs.  anyways, I never concluded that providers abuse drugs (that was John Holmes)... I thought Johnholmes posts were disrespectful mainly written to get a rise out of people. I was pinpointing the fake lilly white picture that certain White Knight hobbyists like to paint...as I see it over and over on various boards.  

Of course, there's risk involved and it's short term...but that doesn't really go against anything I said.  I pointed out thtat it's a crazy amount of money that can be made in a short amount of time---a possible finacial solution to many problems and predicaments, enough to make going into the profession very tempting.  It's also something that is very time flexible.  So, whether a girl needs to pay off her debts, or needs to support herself for some endeavor or earn enough to retire young (some of the high end providers have been able to amass small fortunes to do this), the money is a very tempting solution. I only know ladies in the high end so I don't know what goes on at the street level.  Providers are complicated and interesting and have postiive traits and human flaws like everyone else--there's no need to make up some fake lilly version of them or the profession---they are interesting, mysterious and fascinating as they are.

Linda Linda Linda - How soon we forget. YOU sucked my cock, I fucked your pussy AND I had all of my cock deep in YOUR ass and you were loving it!  Know what?  I did you for FREE!  Not even $60! Free! and tell you the truth, you were good and I miss you!  Let's do it again Baby.  Love you!

John Holmes

My, what big words you throw around.

Regardless, you have been unable to show on single piece of evidence to back you statistics, except "in my opinion" or "in my experience" which are not proof at all.

Further, say what you want, but you can't deny that if HE has a DICK, then it's a DUDE no matter what he looks like.  If you like them because they have a DICK and look like a woman, then you have some problems in YOUR head.

Me three Katie.  Katie - I am sooo turned on by you!  Please shit on me my love!

Awwww Jesus, the friggen recession has farmers in a bind too.  Can't repair their fences and their cattle are running off into the streets. One of them wandered on yonder and is posting on TER!

Diana - you are cute.  You gotta lotta junk in da trunk, but you're cute.  Thank you for calling me an asshole too. You have a cute asshole your self.  If I could get past the folds of your ass where the deer and antelope roam, it'd be my pleasure to lick your ass, especially after you took a dump.  I have no pride, I'd admit it, I like ho's shitty assholes, I masturbate transsexuals till they shoot a hot cum load AND I preach the word of God on Sundays at my church.  I am a sinner.  Halleluiah
be thy name.

Furs?  Don't go there, they'd have to kill atleast a thousand minks to make you a coat.  Let those thosand minks live, ok?

Yes you do the best you can for your kids.  That is a very honorable and upstanding mother you are.  I am sure all of the men of the neighborhood appreciate that as you are sucking their cock.  At the next PTA meeting, you really do need to confront all of those lazy ass bitch mothers who are neglecting their man, forcing him to come to YOU, a 5' 3" BBW, for you to jerk him off and suck his cock.  You are an upstanding woman of your community.  Uou should be proud of yourself.

Those fancy condo's and cars don't typically come from hard work. Go to Amazon (.com) and buy a copy of Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki or Retire Young Retire Rich by the same author.  Rich people don't work harder, they just line shit up and have easier cash flows than other people.

You, I believe don't do drugs, but ya know what, try a little "speed".  If your local dealer can't get ya any speed, a lot of those diet pills will increase your metabolism, make your heart beat faster, you'll eat less and before you know it you'll be 5' 3" 100 lbs and get $750 for that currently priced $500 dinner date.

Yup all of you ladies here are worth many hundred of dollars an hour.  You are ALL special women.  Unlike all the wives that men leave at home to come see you 'all, you are all God like Goddess special women.  When TER women shit, it comes out with a special 24K gold lining.  They are special girls! They shit gold nuggets.  I do believe that is why the gold market has been rising in the past.  Them TER girls been shitten gold!

You are not over priced, over paid or over fed!  You are just an average American woman who is jerking men off and sucking their cock for a living!  Women have got to do what they have got to do.  Look at Ivana Trump, age 59 and married a 36 year old.  Her 4th marriage.  She is an upstanding woman trying to surpass that other Godly wholesome woman Elizabeth Taylor.

Are your shoes efficiency apartment size? For 60 days, I can do it!

Diana, you are a sweet girl and a lovely child of God.  Keep up the good work.  You are appreciated.

Most sincerely,
Lord Jesus John The Baptist Holmes Thee First
Desciple of Christ
Little Church on the Praire
Fort Lauderdale, Fla

We ALL have a few screws loose in our heads.  As long as society sorta moves forward, it all balances out.

Again, you are looking for scientic proof on things that ARE subjective to opinion.  Just like what the stock market and real estate are going to be doing one year from now is not science, but guessing.

You say: "Further, say what you want, but you can't deny that if HE has a DICK, then it's a DUDE no matter what he looks like."

I say: I absolutely disagree. There are millions of pre op transsexual women on earth this very moment. They have a genetic birth defect of being born as a male, feeling they are a woman, trapped in a males body.  Later in life, they correct this defect via transitioning into the woman they always believed they should have been. All pre op TS's have cocks and they are all women IMO.  Perhaps medically they may be considered a genetic male, however, they see themselves as a woman. (once they take female hormones, which fucks up their cocks, they are on their way to becoming a post op TS)  Their primary admirers are straight men who also see genetic women.  It is a fetish fantasy no different than when YOU see that escort and she does your ass with a strap on.

You say: "If you like them because they have a DICK and look like a woman, then you have some problems in YOUR head."

I say: you misinterpret a fetish hobby of millions of Johns who seek to hook up with pre op TS's.  If a t-girl did not have a hard cock, millions of men who are into "chicks with dicks" would not be into this fetish hobby.  As a matter of fact, most of the hobby is under ground.  A small percentage is very vocal of the appreciation of chicks with dicks.  I happen to be one of them.  By the way, the typical tranny chaser is indistiguisable from other hobbying men.  Most tranny chasers are big bad mo fo's. I know this from years of observation.

Next question?

JH1

Jane - You look lovely and sweet and have quite cute feet.

My crotch is shaved like yours and most ho's are.  Nothing for lice to bite into!

I like your rates.  They are attractive.  Not as attractive as YOU though. You are lovely and proportionately built and have a lot of good cushion for better pushin.

I know you love me Jane.

I love you too!

Hyperbolic John Holmes

You need to take a good look at yourself and learn to accept yourself.

You aren't funny, you aren't enlightening, you are an ass and you shouldn't be here. Or most any place I can think of.

-- Modified on 4/15/2008 10:03:56 PM

I can't imagine any provider that would NOT reach for mind altering drugs after spending five minutes with you.

You have me confused.  I am 100% female.  You only seem to see people who are in the process of becoming one.

If you were the last person on earth, I wouldn't see you.

Of your 22 reviews, 17 are TS providers (77.3%, feel free to check my math)

Your VIP details go into great detail of your enjoyment in sucking cock and swallowing.

I don't think anyone here give two shits that you like cock on an otherwise feminine body. But you are shining thru as a conflicted, self-loathing man who therefore shows disdain both for women born and women in the works. You aren't clever or interesting or ANY loss to me or any lady I know

You also see providers, some as young as 19, for $50 BJ's, $100 Greek, etc and you become angry at them if they are not physically responding to YOU
(Ive always thought it must be living hell to be a provider with a dick that was expected to get hard!)
A girl giving $50 BJ's to anyone as unpleasant as you probably IS desperate. although not necessarily for drug money.

You can call Katie chunky, you can call me a whale, you can post your absurd, bizarre, religion laced posts til you are blue in the face. But Nobody cares that you are gay, nobody cares that you like TS girls, people only respond because of your obvious self-loathing which has spilled over into hatred of most everyone.

You exhibit the behavior of a potential or active serial killer and I would ask that you be moderated if not completely banned. Your contribution is a pile of dog shit.

I suggest we all give John (the babtist? from Cincinnati? just a john?) some quiet alone time to take a little swim in the deep end of "lake him"
and move the fuck on

I KNOW you hence, an alis.
You treat TS providers terribly, and from my research many others say the same.

No matter, it is you who needs drugs... Prozac to be specific. Perhaps some Midol as well.

Sheesh what a moron. You asked for the negative replies.

Get a clue and some class.