review site sent her a PM saying: "I have $70."

She ignored it and next day he sent a PM saying: "I have $80."

For example, a gal might have a $300 hour rate and $500 for two; and you want to find out what a four hour dinner/date would be.  It is fine to ask that question, but you should not say anything like:  Is $800 OK for a four hour date?

Let her decide.

Also, it is not unusual (at least for me) for a gal to suggest a discounted rate for a longer session, especially an overnight; but that comes about only after knowing the person for some long period of time.

Short lesson:  Never mention a rate.  Only ask.

And that is absolutely OK as long as you make that abundantly clear on your website.

If you do that and then the guy has read your website, he is being a douche.  However, being too sensitive to the mere mention of a discount is histrionic. It also rules out some very good clients.

Run your business how you want. It's your body. your time. 100% your call. No critisisms on that.

With that being said, *choosing* to believe a guy is a chisler or that he devalues you simply because he asks politely "Do your offer any discounts?" or "Do you have any specials?" is being unrealistic to the hobby in general.

Providers offering SOME SORT of discount, for SOMETHING, is actually THE NORM.

$50 off to TER members or membership in another site. $50 off for booking 2 or mare days ahead.
$100 off before noon. 1/2 price French only session. $100 off on Mondays. Etc.

Those are all ACTUALL discounts that are offered by reputable reviewed ladies in the $350-$500 an hour range in my area. Those discounts are not on a website and you have to ask.

Guys that haggle are a different story - fuck them!

Potential good clients may ask for discounts because they are common, and that is what they like. It doesn't make them a jerk.


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with most professionals you try to avoid getting screwed, here it is the opposite.

(I know that it a non-sequetor, but I couldn't resist.)

But to address the point more seriously:

Sex is a very dicey commodity.  Gals who offer it do so knowing that the core of a very sensitive essence of theirs is being challenged to provide what will be of value to us clients.

In that sense, any questioning of that value (bargaining) actually saps the energy from the very source of the sexual energy she needs to carry out her role.

I know that the language above is a bit tortured, but do you see how sex isn't like legal advice, accounting or auto mechanics?

That's why clients should not bargain.  It spoils things for both sides, really.

When the girls' average rate is 300, I never ask for a discount simply because I think that price is fair market and anything below would be an insult. In fact, I would probably tip the lady at the end of the session if I'm fully satisfied with her.

When her rate is above that and I've seen her before, booking about 3 hours to an entire day, I compliment the lady and ask if she'd be willing to cut me some slack pretty much straight up (ie: would you be willing to cut me some slack for x amount of hours at $$$$ ?)  Usually it takes place over email only because I found that quite a few dislike unsolicited phone calls.

However, I'm thinking there must a more optimally suave and more effective way to go about this.

Ladies, care to give some advice?
Guys, what has worked for you?

...........if I visit with a gentleman often, I will let him know that the gifts posted on my site will be adjusted for extended dates, overnights, and travel.  I believe it is up to the lady to make the offer.

  If you feel you must ask, the worse she can do is say no.

Hugs and Kisses

..........I have received these type e-mails from TER users as well.  I just hit delete.  

Hugs and Kisses

Negotiating can be disrespectful, but not all negotiating is.

Truth is, the providers have set an environment where they have decided unilaterally that negotiating is rude and in bad taste. The problem is that the spineless men as usual have let the women set the rules, just like in "real" life.

The bottom line is, for most guys, dealing with most providers, negotiating is going piss off the majority of them and  when you negotiate you do so at your own risk. I don't agree with the philosophy and it seems to be unique to hookers in this country, but it is what it is.

Just a rather relevent aside, in most other countries where prostitution is legal it is expected that there will be some negotiation involved. In some countries "not negotiating" is taken as a sign of weakness are you are apt to get a worse session as you are deemed a sucker and not worth giving "her best" for. go figure, but when in Rome.....

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the mood is broken.  You've basically insulted me.
If we do meet, I will be nervous the entire time that you are either going to short me or your going to have an attitude because you think your overpaying.  So please, don't even ask.

Is your question a discount for a 1 hr date with a new lady, or 3 hr date with a lady you have seen before?

If the latter, then that is easy. Just say you are interested in a 3 hr date, and ask her what she would like (even if she has rates posted, just play dumb). Don't ask for a discount. If she wants to offer you one, she will. If you never book the longer date, she will get the hint. Again, it would be up to her to bring it up and offer the discount.

If you are asking about a discount for a lady you have never met, that is easy too. Wait until she posts an ad that says "special", and then inquire.

Otherwise, don't waste her time. She has no reason to offer a discount to a guy that may turn out to be a lot of work.

There is not really an effective way to ask for a discount but as your ATF. I like to know about the trials and tribulations of your life.. Having said that.. If I know Johnny needs braces and you missed a week of work but are still seeing me. I will usually offer you a discount..
I enjoy multiple hour appointments and do my best to make sure that you feel as if it is a fair deal for the both of us..

IMHO.. I good provider who wants repeat business, will listen and give you incentive and offer from time to time.........

It's all about how you approach the issue, and like mrfisher stated, don't dictate a rate, just tactfully ask.  My approach is to ask if they are offering any specials or discounts for TER (or RoomService) members.  Most times they have given me rates below their normal posted rates.  When they don't, I've never had them cop an attitude or act offended.  And in some cases when no specials were offered I've still booked with them at their posted rate.

There seems to be such a double standard coming from the providers.  On one had we constantly hear  they are"running a business" or "I am a professional" or "they are entrepreneurs".  If that's all true, then why do so many say they'll be offended if you even ask for a price reduction?  I just negotiated a better rate with my architect yesterday, and he's a professional running a business.  I've questioned my attorney's invoices and frequently received discounts, and he's a professional running a business.  In many business transactions the buyer will suggest or negotiate a lower price without offending the supplier.  So, I think its a cop out to fall back on "its a business" but "don't offend me but negotiating".  You shouldn't be able to have it both ways...but it apparently works.

to give you a discount because you're making her life easier- less screening, more security, you're a known quantity etc.

I've never asked for a discount and don't plan on it in the future.  However, I've been offered discounts by ladies that wanted to keep seeing me on a regular basis and I've been more than happy to accept the discount offered in those situations.

My massage therapist, nail technician, auto shop, housekeeping service... none of them offer discounts, though some of them do sometimes offer specials.  These are all companies I have done business with for several years.  Their work is worth what they charge, I pay it.  If I cannot afford it I wait until I can, I do not ask for discounts.  How would you feel if your boss asked you to come into work next week for less money?  Is it ok, because it's just business?  

Even though some businesses do have a norm of negotiating rates, this is a more personal business than most, and even where negotiating is the norm typically there are other terms that are considered.  When I worked in an office I used to negotiate discounts on our repair parts.  We got those discounts because we guaranteed we would only purchase those parts from our supplier.  We received discounts on equipment as well, because we guaranteed that we would purchase and sell a significant number of units each year.  

I am not a flea market, talking finances is a good way to get into legal hot water, and my website clearly states that my rates are non-negotiable.  So yes, when someone asks I do get offended.  And just so there is no confusion - I do offer discounts for people who see on a regular basis...  *I* am the one who offers those, I would not do so to someone who asked.


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Especially SolaLove.  There are, of course, several companies that I do business with on a monthly, even weekly basis.  I do not negotiate for a better rate from them given the circumstances.  When I recieve an introductory email requesting a discount, I either delete or respond with a few short sentences expressing my offense.  Quite frankly, it's rude.  

However, I do occasionally offer specials, and I do this for a multitude of reasons.  There are times when I have more free time to indulge in the hobby world, and offering a special opens the door to see a few new gents that have been interested in scheduling time, yet my rate was a bit out of their league.  There are friends I have who see me quite often, so occasionally I offer more time, or a bit of $ off the session to show my gratitude for their loyal patronage.  I sometimes offer incentives for appointments booked 48 hours in advance, because these are the types of appointments that are most convenient for me to accomodate, and the discount will obviously encourage some to take that route when scheduling their time with me.  Lastly, if a client of mine who I had already screened and visited with a few times emailed me inquiring if I had multi-hour availability, I would like respond with an emailing detailing rates that are lower per hour than my regular rate.  That way, no one would have to risk any embarassment by asking for a discount.  

And SolaLove is right.  Discussing monetary exchange is very dicey, so if you are a first time client you can expect that I will refer you to my website if you start asking questions about rates which are clearly listed on my site.  

All in all, my basic advice is to email the lady, without mentioning rates at all, and inquire about a multi-hour engagement.  Perhaps make her aware that you were thinking about 2 different time lengths - such as maybe a 4 hour dinner date, or an 8 hour.  This will probably make her aware the determining factor will be rates, and she can respond in kind.

Please do not ask for a discount or a special. This is my job , even though its the best job and I love it and I really enjoy it . It is still my job and people get jobs to pay for things.

Would you want one of your customers or clients to ask for a discount??

So I go to subway every other day . tomorrow I am going to go in and say this " Mr. Sandwhich Artist I come here every other day and since I am such a repeat customer I do not think its fair that I pay $6 for a sub, can you cut me a slack and only charge me $3 ?"

Do you get the point? I hope so . I am not trying to be rude . I am just trying to give explain my opinion.

Asking for discounts or specials is rude and tacky and honestly do you really want the reputation among providers as the "Penny Pincher"  

One last thought before you ask a provider for a discount is if you plan on using her for a reference she probably will mention to the other provider that you ask for discounts.

Food for thought
Krista Starr xo

Just observing from the sidelines I have to wonder who put the idea in some girls' heads that they are descended from the Queen of fucking England? The reverence and kid glove treatment I see being given here seems over the top.

I think they should all absolutely be treated with complete respect and the greatest consideration but when I see them getting pounded in the ass in reviews and then suddenly metamorphize into the most delicate fragile flowers when they can use it to their advantage - holding the back of their hand to their forehead as they swoon at the mere mention of a discount, I just don't buy it.

This attitude is puzzling considering that in the big picture pussy is a fungible good. Yes, I enthusiastically agree that each girl has qualities that make her very special and desirable, BUT, the truth is, if she were unavailable for whatever reason a reasonable replacement can be had.

Therefore I think the hostility at the mere suggestion of a negotiation for what is after all a retail transaction is uncalled for. If you don't want to negotiate, don't. It's very simple. However, to get your nose out of joint over it is silly. One poster said her mechanic and therapist, etc. don't negotiate but I doubt that. She may not be aware of it but they probably do. Regardless, I'm betting they would be unlikely to get huffy at the mere suggestion and I damn near guarantee they wouldn't threaten to not do business with you if so approached.

* Asking about finances is a good way to incriminate oneself if you meet the wrong person.  There are more consideration about this in this business than most.

* Many ladies will offer discounts to special friends, ---at their own choosing---, and based on considerations (repeat business, cancellations, longer sessions, etc.)

* Many ladies have clearly posted on their sites that their rates are non-negotiable.

ASKING for a discount will make most ladies very skittish, and is a violation of the etiquette they have clearly communicated - ex. boundary pushing.  That IS rude.  How does this translate to thinking "they are the Queen of fucking England", and "delicate flowers".  And how is it that thinking you are tacky and classless and a potential threat, is equated to hostility and having ones nose out of joint?

You can suggest my mechanic and therapist (etc.) negotiate, yet I've never seen signs of it, and simply wouldn't ask.  Their rates are fair, their work is worth it, and I pay for it at the rate they feel they need to maintain their business and lifestyle.  I do not try to take advantage of a possible desperation for cash by offering less.  Would they get huffy and threaten to do business with me if I asked for a discount?  Maybe not.  Would they consider me a penny pinching pain in the ass?  Maybe.

When I was newbie and answered some ads with no number$ in them, I'd start by carefully saying that I didn't see a fee or number in the ad; the reply was a figure way beyond what I wanted to spend so I politely declined with a thank you. She would shoot back a lower number that I'd decline again. She shot back a lower number if I'd write a review. And so on (with a variation or two).

I just felt that if someone feels they are worthy of a certain amount but agree to something less that they won't bring it all to the session or they might feel that I am cheating them even though it was they who offered the discount without my requesting it. (Sometimes the same for athletes, other services: carpenters, plumbers, etc.)

The mood would be broken, I'd be nervous the entire time, I'd worry that you might think badly of me and that I'm cheating you and that you're going to have an attitude about being underpaid.  So, I don't even ask and decline when offered.

(Now, with TER VIP, I usually know a fee or range before I make the call, so the above hasn't happened in a long while.)

As pointed out, the best answer is to become a regular date.

If a woman does so it's because she chooses to, not because she is asked to.  If you are a good quality regular friend she trusts and values you, she *might* offer.  Some may never offer.

Coincidentally, I had a provider for lunch and dinner the other day.
I don't mind eating out providers... I mean some of them taste great.  But never had one that tasted like subway.

Also, if I'm booking 1 hr I never ask discounts if her rate is average market.


However, I'm referring to multiple hours. I'm sure you don't get 5 ~ 8 hour sessions on a daily basis.... or do you?

Asking about finances is a good way to incriminate? This is a financial transaction, at some point it has to be mentioned, even if merely by leaving the envelope. Risk comes with the territory.

* Right, many offer discounts for various reason. Therefore it isn't the discount that's at issue it's the client daring to have the temerity to ask it of her highness that's the real problem. Seems like a control issue to me. Apparently as long as it's of her choosing it's OK but how DARE he broach the topic!

*Many have rates posted that are non-negotiable and yet the reality is many ARE negotiable as evidenced by your admission they offer discounts.

Ah yes, the "etiquette, boundaries and rudeness." That's exactly what I mean by the Queen of England remark. Etiquette like never speaking to the Queen unless spoken to? I realize the scurrying sycophants who fall over each other to treat you like royalty have fostered this attitude but it doesn't change what it is. Your strawmen don't make an argument.

You definitely get your nose out of joint at the suggestion of someone wanting to negotiate and I don't think it has anything to do with being skittish, rudeness or boundaries. I think you just don't like it. There are two parties to a transaction and each is free to negotiate and/or walk away. If a client tries to negotiate, don't whine, claim it's something it's not or play the victim. Many of you speak proudly of being a businessperson - act like one.

The fact is, if your therapist accepts insurance s/he does negotiate his/her price for services she provides to you and what she needs to maintain a lifestyle has nothing to do with it. She bases her prices on what the market will bear, just like you. S/he may even have a sliding scale or offer discounts at her discretion but I'm willing to bet s/he doesn't have a bunch of toadies pumping up her ego to the point where she would get her nose out of joint from a simple negotiation.

Considering hobbying is a discretionary activity I would relate it to your mechanic by saying I bet he would be quite happy to have some maintenance type work lined up to fill in when he isn't booked and would willingly take it at a reduced rate. After all, he can say no. After all, he is in BUSINESS.

I think you really get to the heart of the issue here in this area - you perceive a negotiation as trying to take advantage of your potential desperation by offering less. The fact of the matter is it's the market at work. If you step out of your royal bubble you might realize that.

Again, nothing here was an attack on or even a reflection on you personally, just a commentary on what I see as common attitudes here.

I understand that may make you comfortable, but what do you think the difference is between saying you will spend an hour for X amount on the phone, texting it, e-mailing it or looking on your website to read it? If anything I, as a non-lawyer, would think the phone conversation would be less incriminating. One way or another communication is accomplished and a meeting of the minds takes place. Now obviously the discussion of specific acts is something entirely different but what is the difference between telling a client 300 vs 400 or discussing it? It is just payment for your time, right?

People getting jobs to pay for things is irrelevant. People don't get raises or avoid pay cuts because they have to pay for things, you're no different.

Someone asking for a discount is fine. It doesn't have to be granted but certainly doesn't constitute crossing boundaries,  being rude, being a threat etc.

You may not ask for a discount but there are many many places who will give a discount for loyalty, match prices, etc. Would you expect to buy a car without negotiating?

IMO you too call it rude and tacky because you just don't WANT to negotiate. That's your right, but it isn't right to castigate someone for exercising THEIR right. Personally I don't see myself negotiating, but lets have some honesty here.

"Lastly, if a client of mine who I had already screened and visited with a few times emailed me inquiring if I had multi-hour availability, I would like respond with an emailing detailing rates that are lower per hour than my regular rate.  That way, no one would have to risk any embarassment by asking for a discount."

THis was a prelude to the text that you quoted in your reply.  I then agreed with her on her points of discussing finances, and made it clear that I was referring to those who are first time clients.  I then started a new paragraph detailing my advice to the gent, who stated in his OP that he had seen her several times before.  I was no longer discussing the legality of it, as they have obviously already met in his specific case, and just advising him on how he may go about inquiring for a lower rate for a longer engagement as subtly as possible.

"Discussing monetary exchange is very dicey, so if you are a first time client you can expect that I will refer you to my website if you start asking questions about rates which are clearly listed on my site."  This would apply no matter the length of time you wish to spend with me if you are a new suitor.

Well said Aggie.  I think there's a fear among providers that if negotiating were more accepted and not "insulting", it may become more commonplace and affect their income.  Therefore, keeping the "insulting" and "rude" ideology in place is good for business and keeps hobbyists "in their place", or else.  The threat of telling other providers that a hobbyist may suggest a discount is BS.

What a crock of BS this seems to be... provider gets her entitlement laiden attitude in a wad because some guy asks if she has specials or maybe offers her something less than her advertised rate, gets all huffy puffy with a "how dare you" reaction like he just killed Lincoln.  Get a grip .... everything in life is negotiable and if you're so damn stuck up and in love with yourself that you take offense to such innocent offers, you really need a dose of reality to adjust your pompus attitude.  If you aren't interested in the offer he makes, just say "no thanks" and be damn grateful that you at least had whatever it takes to persuade him into calling you at all.  To do anything else, such as what some providers in this thread seem to think is not only their right, but their obligation is just plain BS and it would serve you right if no one ever called you again.

This really isn't such a difficult concept.

* YES, offering and agreeing to rates is a perfect way to incriminate.  It's why most providers have posted rates and tell you to not ask them about it, as the asking is confirming the financial transaction.  It is a common LE tactic, and if someone asks me about my rates it concerns me so I ignore them.

* YES, it is a control issue.  IFF a lady feels safe and is comfortable enough to offer a discount, that is her business.  Even if a lady agrees to you telling her what her time is "worth" (out of a sense of desperation or need for the cash) you will not be looked upon fondly.  But hey - if that's the session you want, I'm sure you will find takers.  Have fun with that!

* A provider offering a discount is not the same as a negotiation.  It is a special offer, not something to be discussed or negotiated.  You seem confused on the difference.

"I realize the scurrying sycophants who fall over each other to treat you like royalty have fostered this attitude but it doesn't change what it is... You definitely get your nose out of joint at the suggestion of someone wanting to negotiate"

Those who see my etiquette requests, and honor what I ask to feel safe and comfortable are GENTLEMEN, not scurrying sycophants.  Even those who see my requests and decide that they will never contact me I consider to be GENTLEMEN.  My site is clear in saying: "MY RATES ARE NON-NEGOTIABLE, don't even ask."  Asking?  That's boundary pushing.  If you are pushing boundaries before we meet, I take it as a sign of how you will behave face to face.

"and I don't think it has anything to do with being skittish, rudeness or boundaries. I think you just don't like it."
It has EVERYTHING to do with being skittish, rudeness and boundaries.  AND I don't like it.
Why is everything either/or?

I refuse to take appointments with anyone whom I feel is disrespectful and/or is trying take advantage of me.  If that is considered attitude by you, so be it.

Have a nice day,
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I agree! I see 1 provider and only 1. I started seeing her 2years ago and I have been a 2-3x a month visitor with her for that time. I'm single and work loads so I have had the means...

In that time I have never "asked" for a discount.  But, once when asking if she would accompany me to Florida on a business she told me the rate and I had to decline. She then explained (rightly so!!!) about how much I would enjoy her compan etc etc.  She then stated a reduced rate and allowed me to make installment payments!!!  It was the best trip I've ever had!

I also know this. My "hour" is now 75-90 mins long.  And she still rocks my world.  So this Christmas I got her a MacBook Pro and got people in Columbus all goosed up because I got my ATF/only provider that gift.  

Will I ever ask for a discount????  I want her to go to the tropics with me this year but can't afford it but STILL won't ask for a discount.  Just isn't right.  But then again we are very good friends now, and I feel it would be rude to bring it up, because the reward I have had from her is far and away more than I have ever donated to her.  

This situation I know is likely different from most "hobbyists" but I just know if you find someone to rock your world then just go with it and don't screw it up!  

No it's not a difficult concept, yet you fail to grasp it.

You claim security as a reason you get so bent out of shape about potential incrimination and yet on your own website you invite potential johns to choose from your services which openly include sexual activity.

You think merely negotiating a rate for companionship is more incriminating than inviting these potentiat johns to pick sexual activity from the menu followed up with the sharing of sexual thoughts and experience with sex toys as a come-on to seal the deal is less incriminating?  The asking is the confirmation? What a hoot.

Despite the above and your extreme, irrational reaction to negotiations, on your website YOU TELL THEM TO ASK!!!!!!!!!!!! To wit:

"My rates encourage sensual, lingering engagements and are not negotiable. I seek quality experience, not quantity. I offer special terms for those who visit four times + per year.  Ask!  If you qualify I will happily send the information."

You not only tell them to ASK, you say you'll SEND information. :::::shaking head:::::::

You can ignore someone who asks to negotiate, no problem. - I'm sure he'll find someone WITHOUT the attitude to take care of him just fine. Like I said, pussy is a fungible commodity. It's only because you don't LIKE the idea of negotiating that you're throwing such a fit.

YES, it is all about control with you. You seem to have this amazingly inflated sense of entitlement that you want everything just the way you want it because, well, because THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT! Emphasis on the WANT, but somehow it sounds like the Queen of England attitude I pointed out yesterday.

"If a lady feels safe and is comfortable enough to offer a discount that's her business" You mean like your business? Four pops and you get a break? It has nothing to do with closeness and a relationship or even about "healing," it's all about volume! volume! volume!. I assure you it's not I who doesn't understand.

A discount is a special offer and not something to be discussed? WTF??? So why do you exhort them to E-mail you after 4 pops if not to discuss? More talk about sex toys? Do you have a card you punch at each visit?

Now, wouldn't a sliding scale be considered a negotiation? Let me see, one party offers less than the posted rate and the other pary accepts. Sounds like a negotiation to me. It isn't that you don't discount (you do so openly), you just get really pissed off that the man would have the temerity and balls to ask for one.

I have to wonder....if the disabled market you appear to reach out to can only give you something below your posted rate does that mean you're desperate and he is telling you what your time is "worth?" Does that mean you're desperate? Do you give him a shitty session because he couldn't spring for your full rate? I'm being somewhat facetious here as if you actually do try to accommodate the disabled community with no ulterior motives I think that's admirable and offer you applause. I'm just referring to it to illustrate a point.

Oh yes, I see you throw a bone to the sniveling sycophants, I'm sure they positively beam at being called gentlemen and feel very special. Of course they might want to consider the fact that you also consider men who find you to be overpriced to be gentlemen too. Apparently everyone is a gentleman unless  they don't lick your boots.

As I have said repeatedly, I encourage you to see or not see whomever you want. I'm sure you're very popular with the ass-kissing sycophants. I bet they love when you keep their balls in your bag.

Someone who wants to negotiate with you is not taking advantage of you, he just doesn't think you're worth what you're charging.

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I'm pretty impartial about all of this, simply stating my own opinion and feelings on the topic.  You seem to want to get all worked up, and are looking for an excuse to put someone in their place.  Might I ask, why the investment of energy?  How do you benefit from raising your blood pressure so?  How does it make you a better man to be full of vitrol and insults?

Well, anyway... I'm really only responding to anyone else reading who may be interested in the conversation.  So I will give it one more go:

Security is just one reason I get bent out of shape.  As I've mentioned several times - when I clearly ask that something not be done, it is boundary pushing to do so.  That is rude and disrespectful.  I don't need anyone to kiss my ass.  However, I treat my sessions as meetings among equals.  I choose to only meet individuals who show basic courtesy and respect.  

"and yet on your own website you invite potential johns to choose from your services which openly include sexual activity. "
Really?  That is new to me.  I offer spa, companionship and healing sessions.  I do not have a menu of sexual activity.  In my musings I've shared my thoughts on  many things - poetry that has caught my eye, a book review, my travels, thoughts on my new toys, etc.  None of that is an offer for sexual activity.

""Despite the above and your extreme, irrational reaction to negotiations, on your website YOU TELL THEM TO ASK!!!!!!!!!!!! To wit:  "My rates encourage sensual, lingering engagements and are not negotiable. I seek quality experience, not quantity. I offer special terms for those who visit four times + per year.  Ask!  If you qualify I will happily send the information.""...
"A discount is a special offer and not something to be discussed? WTF??? So why do you exhort them to E-mail you after 4 pops if not to discuss?"
Yep.
If I've seen someone at least four times, I'm quite comfortable with them.  Someone can ask me about my EFP program and I will happily send some information.  That is quite different than someone asking me if they can see me for X-$'s, and what I send is a slight modification of the information that I have on my site.  A query and a reply.  That's it - there is nothing to discuss.

My disability program is it's own creature.  I've seen tremendous response to the energy and somatic work that I do in those who have chronic pain and/or neurological disorders.  It's extremely satisfying and rewarding work and I love to do it!  There is no desperation on my end.  If I did not have my own expenses and overhead, I would likely outright donate hours each week to such work.  A client pays within their means for a healing session, they are not telling me what that work is "worth", and  I've been told it is priceless.  Yet again, there is no sexual activity offered, and there is nothing to discuss.  

"You can ignore someone who asks to negotiate, no problem. - I'm sure he'll find someone WITHOUT the attitude to take care of him just fine."
And, that's all I ask.  Simple respect for stated wishes... as you find that to ass kissing and beyond your abilities, it is clear that you are no gentleman.

"I'm pretty impartial about all of this, simply stating my own opinion and feelings on the topic.  You seem to want to get all worked up, and are looking for an excuse to put someone in their place.  Might I ask, why the investment of energy?  How do you benefit from raising your blood pressure so?  How does it make you a better man to be full of vitrol and insults?"

Impartial? BAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! YOU are full of vitriol for anyone who would want to negotiate your overpriced rate. You're full of manufactured hyperbole and try to come up with justification for not negotiating. You don't simply say no, you try to turn the man who is simply engaging in a transaction into an abuser/rapist. How does it make you a better hooker to vilify men?

"Well, anyway... I'm really only responding to anyone else reading who may be interested in the conversation.  So I will give it one more go:"

::::pat::::pat:::: Sure you are.

"Security is just one reason I get bent out of shape.  As I've mentioned several times - when I clearly ask that something not be done, it is boundary pushing to do so.  That is rude and disrespectful.  I don't need anyone to kiss my ass.  However, I treat my sessions as meetings among equals.  I choose to only meet individuals who show basic courtesy and respect.  "

Meetings among equals? Too funny. You don't want to be any man who DARES think he is equal to you - that might disrupt your illusion of being in control. Like I said before, you just don't WANT someone to negotiate because you think it will become more popular and cost you money. It's pretty pathetic to exploit real victims in your hyperbolic play on your safety. It all is part and parcel of your narcissism and sense of entitlement.

Your boundaries are joke. Don't want to do greek or CIM, DFK ....THAT is a boundary. Getting bent out of shape because someoneacts a question, that's nuts.

Who the fuck put you in charge? No, check that, who the fuck do YOU THINK put you in charge? This may come as a shock to you, but the possession of a pussy does not give you command over others. There are billions of pussies but only a percentage use it to support themselves. and only a percentage of those have the control issues you clearly do.

""and yet on your own website you invite potential johns to choose from your services which openly include sexual activity. "
Really?  That is new to me.  I offer spa, companionship and healing sessions.  I do not have a menu of sexual activity.  In my musings I've shared my thoughts on  many things - poetry that has caught my eye, a book review, my travels, thoughts on my new toys, etc.  None of that is an offer for sexual activity."

First of all, nobody gives a flying fuck about your "musings," it's only your narcissistic personality that lets you think they do. What IS an offer for sexual activity is this:

"Whether you are looking for escape into classic seduction, to explore a broader sexual repertoire, to expand your capacity for pleasure, would like to learn to be a more skilled lover or are looking for a partner to practice creating sacred intimacy – I would be delighted to share time with you! This “work” I consider play, though as called, I bring my heart and my soul to make our time whatever it is that you may need."

You may think you're being clever with the flowery prose and the euphemisms as you go on and on andbut you're only kidding yourself. I think you need that so you can pretend you're not just a whore. You don't offer sex? Are the guys in your reviews lying? Is a cock in your mouth a widely accepted "healing" technique?

Do "healers" get paranoid about LE? Blurr their pics on their website? Offer overnights and  travel sessions? No, you're no healer, you are a hooker playing at being a healer to make yourselves feel better.

""Despite the above and your extreme, irrational reaction to negotiations, on your website YOU TELL THEM TO ASK!!!!!!!!!!!! To wit:  "My rates encourage sensual, lingering engagements and are not negotiable. I seek quality experience, not quantity. I offer special terms for those who visit four times + per year.  Ask!  If you qualify I will happily send the information.""...
"A discount is a special offer and not something to be discussed? WTF??? So why do you exhort them to E-mail you after 4 pops if not to discuss?"
Yep.
If I've seen someone at least four times, I'm quite comfortable with them.  Someone can ask me about my EFP program and I will happily send some information.  That is quite different than someone asking me if they can see me for X-$'s, and what I send is a slight modification of the information that I have on my site.  A query and a reply.  That's it - there is nothing to discuss."

WTF? A query and a reply? What do you think that is if not a discussion/negotiation? They ask about a reduced  rate in your "EFP" program based on volume, you reply with the lower rate and they accept. As usual, you pretend it isn't what it is but that must be easy when you don't live in reality. EFP program. Yeah, that makes it sound better. It's still just a discount negotiated based on volume.

"My disability program is it's own creature.  I've seen tremendous response to the energy and somatic work that I do in those who have chronic pain and/or neurological disorders.  It's extremely satisfying and rewarding work and I love to do it!  There is no desperation on my end.  If I did not have my own expenses and overhead, I would likely outright donate hours each week to such work.  A client pays within their means for a healing session, they are not telling me what that work is "worth", and  I've been told it is priceless.  Yet again, there is no sexual activity offered, and there is nothing to discuss.  "

Uh huh. Sure. A "healing session" that involves taking your clothes off culminating in a happy ending. You're a fraud - I see no credentials.

"You can ignore someone who asks to negotiate, no problem. - I'm sure he'll find someone WITHOUT the attitude to take care of him just fine."
And, that's all I ask.  Simple respect for stated wishes... as you find that to ass kissing and beyond your abilities, it is clear that you are no gentleman.

Funny how in your world  respect goes only one way. No, in your warped definition I am not a gentleman. I actuall DO treat a woman, provider or not, as an equal. I wouldn't get hysterical and come up with the kind of nonsense you have if I was turned down for my offer. A gentleman to you is someone who willingly accedes to your insatiable need for control. Your average spineless sycophant. You even think guys who pass you by because they think you're overpriced or aren't attracted to you are gentlemen. LOL I guess you especially like them because you know they wont ask to negotiate.

Now go ahead, turn your tricks and be happy.

and I'm way late to this game. And, I doubt anyone has much interest in this thread. But I bet you'll see this.

I can only hope.

I gotta say---I am...beyond......what? dumbfounded? at your diatribe.

You_are_one_unbelievably_ignunt_ASS_HOLE.

I don't know what your deal is. And, I won't bother to go tit-fer-tat with you. But, I will say are so far off base on this one, there's not even a good starting place to point out what a total asshat you are.

Yep. I am here to WK for this lady. YoubetyerfuckinassIam. You should be so fucking lucky as to meet someone as genuine.

dick.

head.

Jesus freakin' crap---the hate mongering on this site gets bigger and louder every day. What the fuck is wrong with you guys?