So let me get this clear, I did hobby for a good amount of time to know this now.

1. Seeing an escort is exactly and not exactly what it seemed to be. What I mean is the types of people providers are and hobbyists are, were exactly the same depiction I had before I even started. What was not exactly right was the type of experience you have with the provider. So it can range from really bad to really good depending on who you see it's experiences like these that make you wiser.

2. Being a hobbyist is pathetic. Why do I say this? because the few providers I did see 4/6 were REALLY good experiences, but just thinking that why is anyone paying for this just made me feel disgusted. NO ONE should for these be paying services I mean NO ONE.

I would really like to read what you gentlemen and providers have to say to this

Can't wait for this list of excuses from hobbyist:
- Don't have time for social life
- "I'm to ugly"
- Man tool is the size of a penny
- "I have the money, why not?"
- "I get along with providers better"

Can't wait for this list of excuses from providers:
- Money for schooling
- Money for children
- Good money

List can probably go on maybe i'll be surprised with an actual response.

p.s I'm really surprised how high some of these hobbyists ego's are from reading their post.

I enjoy it!

I've also done civie and marriage, and the hobby beats all of them hands down for the reason you state in irony as well as many others.

Perhaps the only issues left are the social implications, but I say poo on that.

"Being a hobbyist is pathetic" idea.

I think I understood your point made on that. But correct me if I missed it a bit.

It is that you have had "GREAT" experiences with providers rated at the 4-6 range in both looks and performance. And, at the 4-6 level, there shouldn't be a reason for someone to pay for that? Assumingly, because a man should be able "to get that" for free?

Am I getting your point?

A question I have about that idea is: Do you think the idea of the actual exchange that takes place is what is pathetic? i.e. A man should never give money, a woman should never get money? Is your perspective that any "hookup" between a man and a woman should be free of that?

Since I'm not PMing you, let me tell you right up front that I am totally serious about my desire to understand your point of view better. Also, no matter what they is, I have no intention of going "Gordon Ramsey" on your ass!

Look forward to hearing more.


HH

1- A 4 minute man always has time for
providers and his other life.
2- I'm so handsome some women call me beautiful
3- I'm not ashamed to wear a penis  extension
4- It's cheaper than golf and easy to get a hole in one.
5- Not much  difference between providers and civilians ,
 some are crazy some are sane .  
   I enjoy the game .

  You should talk to a  professional about your
  guilt complex .  

continue doing whatever you want. Tell me when to go away and what time to come back!


HalfHour

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and you will br forgiven my son.  now go in peace and sin no more.  Ooh and stop casting stones.

Really-I see this in a simple way, lets just speak "economics" for a minute. How about ROI-Return on Investment. A man can spend oodles of money on dating sites/picking up girls at a bar all with the end goal of "wanting to get laid" for lack of a better term. Spending so much money to "court" a woman with gifts, flowers, dinners etc not to mention all the time and energy put into such a project can really wear a man down not to mention drain out his wallet.

I would think that an educated man would much rather "cut to the chase", and spend a few hundred or few thousand dollars in the company of a beautiful woman knowing at the end of their time together he would be well satisfied and leave feeling like he got something of value for his money.

Just my 2 cents,

Sitara Devi

I do it cuz I can. It's fun, met some cool people, and fuck some hot women. So there!

Maybe you should get some rope.

LOL WHAT!??!??!

O allright, so all that justifies that you pay for it and that you have no skill whatsoever interacting with other women without using money as leverage.

keep in mind you're not a player, you pay these women to basically make you feel like one.

methods and the use of TER to (a) find more attractive women and (b) women who know how to please a man (performance).  Maybe you need to see an eye doc as well since you can't recognize hot women?

Economics 101 tells me that this hobby is more cost effective as well as it involves less time wasting; "time is money".

Go cancel your TER membership and move on to the bar scene since you would rather play that game.  Or is it that you pick-up women at the mall, grocery store, etc.

so go be miserable some place else.  now i'm getting pissed...

really dude?  you don't like her eyebrows and you're ashamed of yourself for hobbying?  why keep posting, you want to be flogged for your transgressions?  jaggoff...

No nagging and get what I want and its cheaper than my ex wife

check debbie 1 review that was removed said she had poo on her ass.

I play because I need sexual variety, because I have no patience for dating, because the kind of women I want wouldn't go out with an old fart like me anyway, because after two bad marriages I have no interest in a long-term relationship and would rather pay in small increments to avoid the drama rather than pay in large increments and have to deal with all the drama.  Is that clear?
I am having the sexual time of my life.  Out of about 35 sessions over the past year (just a guess because I don't count them), I've only one bad one and one that was mediocre.  The rest were on a scale from terrific to amazing.  Why?  Because I do my homework thanks to TER. Yesterday I was with an incredible looking woman who gave me a session right out of a high-end porno movie.  Tomorrow I'm seeing another one who promises to be just as hot in her own way.  Variety is the spice of life.

And requires lying, and this is the best fucking sex I've ever had !!!!  Like what chance does a middle aged middle class married guy have getting a 20 something hottie with big tits dressed in the sexiest lingerie ever fuck him for two hours straight in positions that only a trained gymnist can perform, and then not nag me to put the toilet seat down. I tell you wants pathetic, working 30 years, advancing your career, making a great salary, shelling out all your money to the wife and kids and only making love to your right hand for last ten years.

i do it because I like it and I can.
How is that for an excuse!

Very hard to argue with your 1st conclusion, that time with a provider can range from good to bad..  I doubt anyone will disagree with that one.

As to the second point, I have no idea why you would feel obliged to predecide any posts that disagrees with your narrow view are by nature a "list of excuses".

I would never deem to tell you how you should feel about this, but I consider you just one more in a long list of people--men, women, and questionable--who refuse to believe anyone else can think/feel/believe differently that they do.  That is myopic, closed minded, and wrong.

I will tell you my reasons:
--I find many of the ladies I have met to be facinating people
--I enjoy my time with them
--As far as every outward sign, they enjoy their time with me

I am sorry if you believe that mutually enjoyable time willingly spent together is somehow wrong, I really do feel sorry for you.

Worse still, if you honestly believe "Money to feed and cloth children" is an "excuse" as you say, then you should probably reevaluate your moral compas.  Three of the last four ladies I saw absolutely did it for their kids and for tuition money.  One lady I do not know well enough to be able to say with certainty.

Now you can claim my responce is an "excuse", but it is not.  You asked a question, I gave you an honest answer,  The fact that you probably do not want to hear it makes it no less true.

I think you owe many of the ladies you called liars, but I really do not expect to see you post one.

I like to Fuck.
I enjoy the power of having a man Want me
I like most humans like variety

and Hell YES it pays my bills, I make my own rules and my hours
and it allows me to be a mom while my son had open heart surgery. Not an exucse but a damn good reason! It has allowed me to provide a stable home and put myself and my son thru college

Why do my clients do it..

They like variety
They want to feel appreciated
The like power or giving up the power depending on the client

You can't put a price tag on lust or LOVE..............

Using economics is probably the dumbest reason you can use up to now. The investment you put in and what you get in return is disoriented in your guys explanation

No, I get what you are saying. I also have some idea as to your reasoning now. I'll type more tomorrow night when I'm at a real keyboard and not clicking one letter at a time on a VK.

In the meantime, take a look at the link below. Check out her website etc. It has to do some information and thoughts I'm going to share with you.


hH

Right now... I don't want a relationship.

In my 'circle' there are 'opportunities,' but they require a much greater investment which can include an unintended deception to a woman, maybe by letting them believe there is a 'future' when their is not. People are just too damn uptight about have pleasure for pleasure's sake!

Except for me, that is. Oh! And my provider friends. We see eye-to-eye!

Ain't life grand!


HH

Come to think of it, so are you.

As for your OP, I have no desire to justify my reasons for you. I do it because I like it, Go fuck yourself if you don't like it.

fit a similar background.  Sure, there are some providers that are good at what they do but do it for other reasons which are considered by many to be low life; like supporting a drug habbit, feeding a pimp, etc.

then you can tell us all about being insulted.

Or better yet, ask Deb4512 if she has any left over rope.

If stupid makes happy, then yes, you must be the happiest man in the world.

You and I. We'll go to a bar. Grocery store. Wherever. And let's see who picks up first on the hottest ladies there.

I'll leave my wallet in the car, while you can flash as many benjis as you want.

Whattya say?

I think there's a couple people here that'll go with the 'smart money'...

Your flawed premise is the existence of a common moral framework. That framework could be religious in nature (i.e. good and evil) or even Nietzschean-secular in character (i.e. good and bad).

The simple fact is that even though a common moral framework was considered to be a prerequisite for freedom by America's founders, we have long ago dispensed with anything even remotely approximating a common moral framework that people of disparate backgrounds can use a standard by which actions can be judged.

Is abortion good or bad?
Is no-fault divorce good or bad?
Is gay marriage good or bad?

I don't care what your answer is to those questions because it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because no matter your answer, nearly half the overall population will disagree with you.

Now, you COULD use the law as your standard of value, but according to that law you are a not-yet-convicted felon for failure to report the money in your birthday cards on your income tax. So using the law is probably not a good idea, especially given the fact that there is no real agreement there, as can be observed every day on roads as people (including myself) flagrantly violate speed laws.

So ... sorry ... but no dice. We no longer have a "society" in any proper sense in which there is any broad agreement on issues of moral significance. We all make our own rules. And, obviously, according to the rules being followed by hobbyists and providers, what they do is defined, to themselves, as "good."

You have every right to find the behavior of yourself and even others (according to your standards) to be deplorable or disgusting. But there is simply no longer any shared moral foundation by which you can presume to call others to account.

Though, geographically speaking, he's more likely to see you than I am.

But shit happens....

Some people never fucking learn!....

Morality doesn't flow down from the institutions to the individuals, it is just the opposite.  (At least, that's how it should work.  The fact that the former occurs much more often just indicates why our society's morals have become so screwed up, but I digress.)

In any case, I got that you don't like the hobby.

That's  really all you seem to be saying and I'm fine with you feeling that way.

Just don't dump your opinions all over us without expected a bit of blow back.

to sum it up you just wanted a easy way out because you have no other skills besides selling your body.

and the reasons you came up with for hobbyist is basically the same distorted reasoning they use to cope with the fact that they are actually worthless.

Don't forget I did this hobbying out of curiousty I have always been the curious one ever since I was little and every time if you think bout it logically. you just paid money for 1 hour of invesment in return...... or whatever price you paid for the duration. I understand not all men are created equally so some lack the ability to grasp women smoothly.

What i don't get is the excuses I read " Civvie girls are drama" "Civvie girls are waste of time" Blah blah blah, so what im reading is you guys have nothing interesting to offer so they get bored with you or vice versa and it ends after a few weeks of dating blah blah then it just justifies what you guys do in the prostitution world. So the sum it up "PATHETIC" em I right?

Also note I'am not trying to insult you fine people. I'm just bluntly trying to find how the brain copes with itself in this one, and how in the world can people get a self esteem boost from this.

Your whole posts is flawed because you're assuming that this is about morals.

Morals would come into play if I was to present the case of religion, societies views, etc. Maybe you can extract the meaning of morals when I voiced my opinion on how hobbying is pathetic, but I don't think so.

hottest is subjective so this competition is entirely flawed, yet if you want I'am 21 so I'll gladly take your challenge if we want ot handle this how men do.

Posted By: MP67

You and I. We'll go to a bar. Grocery store. Wherever. And let's see who picks up first on the hottest ladies there.

I'll leave my wallet in the car, while you can flash as many benjis as you want.

Whattya say?

I think there's a couple people here that'll go with the 'smart money'...

Miserable I'm actually the happiest person in the world these days, I'm young, Athletic, I have about more life experience then 75% of the people in this world ( I say that with confidence ). This is just me asking questions, seems like I've insulted some of you.

Naw i have a few more days of VIP might as well do something with it

You know what I probably distorted the reviews ALOT just so i can secure and receive my 15 free days of VIP for this site. If you had a first hand preview of my actions with the providers you can tell I was passive in anything I did. My emotion was at neutral because the sensible side of me knew this was extremely pathetic, but the exploring side of me was just curious as to how things worked because to me I'am willing to pay any price for life experience that a everyday person at my age wouldn't be able to do.

So what I meant was that no matter what range of looks beautiful to just straight YETI monster look, it is all just pathetic exchanging money for  these services. So I want to justify my reasoning from my experience I was never interested in intercourse all together matter of fact I VOLUNTARILY cut the session short because I wanted have a discussion with some providers to know exactly what type of person would get into these professions. This also was combined with reading hobbyists reviews to see what type of individuals would get into this "hobbying". From just 3 months of observation it is entirely pathetic, from just reading posts/reviews by other people they've taken this hobbying to the point where they would feel kingly yet they should have no reason to be (this doesn't apply to everyone of course). This hobbying and reviewing seemed like some peoples healthy way of expressing there true personality that they can't in the real world hence if they do we would oh so quickly shun them by calling them perverts blah blah etc.

Also I've read plenty of posts that would otherwise make them hypocrits. One is that hobbyists get into this to get out of the civvie relationships yet the same feelings are developed when they're with the provider which contradicts there entire reasoning (if you don't get it, read the posts about "Can you actually date a provider"). Economics again I can't stress enough that I don't understand how hobbyists believe that the return they are receiving on there investment is fair and yes I'am accounting for everyone has different values.

I'm to out of it and to lazy to proof read this, but maybe it'll make sense at what I'm trying to poke at

narrow view, would be me denying any claim you make false. None of my posts do that, the only thing I ask for in my posts is a legitimate reason that is worthwhile. Not just some sugar coated coping mechanism.

Your reasoning
You find them fascinating, is it because they're willing to do the services for just the payment listed? or do you find them fascinating individuals as a human being?

You enjoy the time, yes because they're willing to do what you desire so openly for the exchangement. Yet after services given you're thrown back into reality because deep down they will not give one damn care about you.

They enjoy there time with you, NO ONE CAN EVER validate that claim because these women trained themselves to feed you a dream scenario, and what provider in there right mind would ever tell you "We'll keep having a good time, if you keep paying me"

What i find FASCINATING is you sympathise for these providers, because you believe they're cause is noble.

Hobbyists are nothing but clients/customers in the end.

The thing is, I don't find you or your opinion important enough to offend me. You are barely out of fucking diapers, yet claim all this worldly knowledge. You are a child, trying to get the grownups all riled up, and just like every other child before you, you suffer from a myopia caused by a lack of experience.

Come back in twenty years, your opinion "might" be of some value then. In the meantime, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out, and if fucking strange women for money is not your cup of tea, DON"T FUCKING DO IT!!! see how simple that is? Lmao

one needs a brain.

Go figure why Dogs bark at the moon? Then you will have your answer.

But you're on, pal!

seems like you'd have personal reasons to be offended by this post

nice try, don't try using my age as a trump card

let's see if you are "singing the same tune".

Many of the folks here are considerably more "achieved" than you are at this point in time.  And I am sure that you actually believe you "are experienced", but that would be compared to a 5 year old.  Not to those of us who have been hobbying longer than your 21 years (of age)!

Go through a marriage (or relationship longer than 2 hours) or two and let us all know (in about 30 years or so) just how you see this little "game" of ours then  I just can't promise I'll actually remember this thread...but you should print this out and put it in your "follow up" folder and look at it from time to time!  I suspect you'll be surprised at your beliefs that you state here in another ten years or so.

... I am still meeting a lot of writing deadlines so don't anticipate much posting for a while. Good news is some people actually DO pay me by the word!  LOL

I hobby for a number of different reasons. The bottom line is. NONE of my reasons are any of YOUR fucking business. One of your replies stated that you were not out to insult anyone. Yet that is what you have been doing from the very beginning. You threw a blanket insult over the entire hobby with your OP calling everyone pathetic. You also stated that you did this out of curiosity. I don't buy it. There has to be more to it then JUST curiosity. I mean I have a curiosity about sharks. That doesn't mean I am going to fuck one to find out about them (and sure as hell not asking for BBBJ if i did). I am simply going to watch shark week on the Discovery Channel. Finally you say that this made you feel disgusted. OK that fine, but why then did you get on your high horse and impose your feelings on everyone else? Just because you have had a change of heart in the hobby doesn't make anyone else pathetic for continuing to participate. Besides when it comes down to it. The reason ANYONE else does this is none of your business either.

You have 6 reviews, implying that you've done this at least 6 times.  If it's such a pathetic exercise, why did it take you 6 times to come to that conclusion?  I have no issue with you branding others at pathetic, because it really just points to your immaturity.  There are myriad reasons for people to engage in the activity.  Some ARE pathetic; in that respect you're correct.  Branding the entire population of men and women participating as such is clearly foolish.

I'm branding you a troll.  It's not because of your opinion.  It's the delivery.

Sounds like someone needs a nap after his juicy juice.

Whoa whoa whoa, if you read my posts i say it doesn't apply to all. Let's change that attitude now

No i'm pretty i have alot more life experience then a gentlemen who lived on this earth for about 30-40 years. marriage is something i can't account for you got me there, because I personally don't even think about it yet; however, no one here has justified there reasons with pure legitimate cause with marriage being involved. It only makes me wonder why in the fucking world did you get married in the first place if you weren't ready to be with the person for the rest of your life and just go off hobbying.

Posted By: ChgoCPA

let's see if you are "singing the same tune".

Many of the folks here are considerably more "achieved" than you are at this point in time.  And I am sure that you actually believe you "are experienced", but that would be compared to a 5 year old.  Not to those of us who have been hobbying longer than your 21 years (of age)!

Go through a marriage (or relationship longer than 2 hours) or two and let us all know (in about 30 years or so) just how you see this little "game" of ours then  I just can't promise I'll actually remember this thread...but you should print this out and put it in your "follow up" folder and look at it from time to time!  I suspect you'll be surprised at your beliefs that you state here in another ten years or so.

seems to be like old man needs settle down and re-read things 5 or 18 more times

Because you have no legitimate reasons and I revealed it because somehow "I like it" just seems good enough for pathetic men.

Yet, multiple individuals tend to feel to voice there opinion. If what you said is true then why so many responses? Why not just move on and skim to the next post?

Ok, basically I read an advertisement.... and.......... what?

That's good to know that you weren't offended because I had no intent to.

but the age justifies any opinion because that individual has lived somewhat of a life? yet even 80 year olds can learn from a teenager. Seems like your a bit mad and blabbering in a short sighted manner  because a 40 year old saying, I lived a life longer then a 20 year old so what ever i say just overrides anything he says. That's basically what you meant since how my opinions are not sound due to my age. I'll say this and say it again, PATHETIC

Was there too much there?  Did it confuse you?  Perhaps if you read more slowly, you'll see it.

If it's such a pathetic exercise, why did it take you 6 times to come to that conclusion?  C'mon junior, it's not that tough, even for a troll like you.

?????

whatever, strange out man with a little dick

whatever.  i was down for one day.  big deal

NOT ONLY DO I HAVE PUBES, I DON"T CARRY AROUND WRINKLY SKIN AND LIVER SPOTS ALL OVER MY BODY?

did the caps lock help? honestly you're trying to have a dick measuring contest right now and avoiding what I'm asking in the original post. Please do me a favor... slow down that ego trip.

Allright good talk

You know i'll admit when i'm wrong and i guess i was wrong to an extent. Yes the term "pathetic" is subjective, which in this case is based on my standard of value.

Still what i'am asking for is a reason that justifies going into hobbying, I somehow can't accept "it's the last resort" excuse (to put it into familiar terms "I've tried marriage and hobbying and i like hobbying better" or "Because i like it" etc.). It seems though that if you think this logically, these individuals that go into hobbying have either given up on themselves accepting that they're doomed from a civvie relationship or give themselves a reason by distorting clear reasoning that what they're doing is ok because everything else is the problem. which basically defines a miserable inadequate person so Exchanging money for providers services seems to be the norm for these people.

after reading all these posts, i just down right keep proving to myself i'm very pessimistic and borderline egocentric

There are other reasons people may hobby that aren't obvious.

Some men are married or otherwise unable (or unwilling) to offer a civie woman an opportunity for white picket fences and happily ever after. If a man can't offer these things, his selection of civies is dramatically limited. By using the services of a provider he solves the chastity problem without having to hurt people. In a hierarchy of values, it is better to sleep with a provider than it is to deliberately hurt people.

Of course, civies can be readily available, even to married men and so forth, if the guy has some measure of fame or a sufficiently high social status. However, as you have no doubt observed, when powerful men who have engaged in affairs with civies subsequently become famous or are in the spotlight, these women come out of the woodwork to grab the spotlight for their 15 minutes of fame. In 15 minutes they can undo the work of a lifetime with their revelations, all in exchange for just sharing a tiny bit of the spotlight before returning to obscurity. A provider, on the other hand, is explicitly being PAID to keep her mouth shut.

Then there is the fact that providers can be a highly expensive luxury. I am sure you have observed the fact that many in America try to convey their social status through certain types of ostentatious spending -- such as luxury cars, etc. There certainly exist men who will dump ungodly amounts of money into providers as a mark of social status because the mere fact that someone can afford something so expensive as $1k for 2 hours of a lady's time is a serious status symbol.

Though I am retired from hobbying, when I DID hobby, I saw a lot of ladies who were, or bordered upon being, Renaissance women. Obviously, such women CAN be found in civie life, but when time is at a premium they are a lot easier and faster to find among the ranks of providers.

The modern world takes women (and men) immediately from a crappy college and throws them into a meat grinder of employeeism where they are forced to hyper-specialize in whatever is economically useful and their time is circumscribed to such a degree they are lucky to be able to just hit the gym once in a while. Basically, anything that isn't immediately economically useful to other people is crushed. Even continuing education has to focus on the job. But for many women who provide, the lifestyle affords them a capacity for extended self-development that is denied most people not born into wealth.

So what I'm saying is there are other reasons for choosing to hobby, and in which hobbying can make sense -- especially when those reasons are combined.

Once you see it as going beyond "sex for money" a lot more reasons become apparent. If it were just sex for money, it would be a bad value equation anyway as most men can give themselves an orgasm in 3.5 minutes for $0. lol

“narrow view, would be me denying any claim you make false. None of my posts do that, the only thing I ask for in my posts is a legitimate reason that is worthwhile. Not just some sugar coated coping mechanism.”

And that is precisely the problem, you disallow someone else’s judgment about what is legitimate and/or worthwhile.



“Hobbyists are nothing but clients/customers in the end.”

I never said anything else—I acknowledge that the basis of this entire realm is a client/customer relationship.  Why does that make it despicable in your eyes?  When I go to a restaurant I have a client/customer relationship with the staff and the cook.  Because I am paying for a service (wait staff) and a commodity (food) does this somehow convince you that what transpired in the restaurant is perverted and unseemly because I paid for it?  When does the act of paying for something make it despicable?  By your own argument you either find every restaurant customer to be "pathetic", or you are illogical as well as self-righteous.


"Your reasoning You find them fascinating, is it because they're willing to do the services for just the payment listed? or do you find them fascinating individuals as a human being?"

To answer you on two levels, the first with a question of my own.  I enjoy the symphony.  I find it fascinating because they perform with great skill and spending time in their presence makes me happy.  I am fascinated by great music performed well.  Do you find something wrong with that?  If not, then what is wrong with enjoying a lady’s skills and her company?  What is the fundamental difference?  The second answer is yes, I find that many of the ladies are fascinating human beings.  My ATF was raised overseas, has traveled extensively, performed artistically for royalty, and is a published wildlife photographer.  Another friend has a wonderful gift of being able to walk into any room and make everyone feel better and more upbeat—but she has less self-confidence than anyone I have ever known.  Another lady is an artist in her day job and designs/builds fantastic pieces of art for the lobbies of major public buildings.  A forth is “just” a single mom of three who is struggling to make ends meet, support her kids, and go back to school—she is often the most fascinating for her perseverance, kindness, and resiliency.  Should I not see these people has valuable individuals just because I also have (or had) a financial arrangement with them?


"You enjoy the time, yes because they're willing to do what you desire so openly for the exchangement. Yet after services given you're thrown back into reality because deep down they will not give one damn care about you."

Sir, this may be the case with some of the ladies I have met.  But you are so completely clueless about what happens between myself and some of the ladies I have grown to know over time.  I would say I never left reality, and was therefore never “thrown back into it”.  The restaurant chef I mentioned above truly does not “give one damn” about me, but I still go to that restaurant because the meak is good.  Should I stop going, or should he stop cooking for me when I do?  And I know very well some of these ladies I see DO care about me far more than the chef does, or my car mechanic, or probably my ophthalmologist.

"They enjoy there time with you, NO ONE CAN EVER validate that claim because these women trained themselves to feed you a dream scenario, and what provider in there right mind would ever tell you "We'll keep having a good time, if you keep paying me"

Again, you are wrong.  If you limit your discussion to a first meeting with a lady, I would agree with you.  But for those of us who tend to see ladies we like on a recurring basis—over an extended period (10 yrs+ in some cases) you are totally wrong.  Often the friendships last long after the working arrangements.  I have had ladies stay in my home when they were on vacation—no money or services required or expected.  I have keys to a lady’s condo (not her in-call) and an open invitation to stay there whenever I’m in town, whether she’s there or not.  After my last operation I had a lady fly out to see me as I was recovering—her idea, her plane ticket.  I’ve done the same for several ladies (I make a mean chicken soup).  I’ve met families, been invited to birthday parties, graduations, and weddings.  I gave one lady away at her wedding because she was estranged from her father.  Please do not tell me I cannot validate my claim with these ladies--I have given you specific examples, you have presented nothing but unsudstantiated moralistic drivel.

"What i find FASCINATING is you sympathise for these providers, because you believe they're cause is noble."

I don’t believe their cause is noble, I believe it is a job.  One that DOES NOT subhumanize them.  I DO understand some of their situations, and I do not hold their line of work against them in any way.  That’s a far cry from what you seem to believe, but it is the reality of my experiences.  They may not be what you are looking for, or what YOU believe is worthwhile, but what is YOUR justification for saying my experiences are illegitimate or sugar coated?    If you DO have some logic behind what you prosess, pray tell share it.

the money.That's it. I'm really good at making the client believe it's the last thing on my mind........however, if they ask for a discount or cheap "arrangement"-well then, the smoke and fanfare goes away and I have to remind them why I'm there and why they are.

Awww, can't keep your mind off of killing me, can you?  so when are we going to meet?