It seems like most of the guys here have mostly positive experiences with providers. My experience runs the other direction for some reason. If it's me, I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.

A solid foundation is the key to a repeatable swing...

escorts and are unable to review them.  IMHO that is bull-crap.  From what I've read on TER, this happens a lot.  Guys travel for hours, pay for a hotel room, and have to put up with delays.  The escort suffers no lose.  There must be a better way.  Then again, how many guys have been no-shows?

It sure seems like it to me. You must be telegraphing that vibe to providers. Why would you put up with that crap?

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reviews that may have been old?

And how would I telegraph it in a simple email? The only way I can think of that I might be telegraphing such is saying that I'd really like to see them. Not "I love you" or anything like that. Just that I've been wanting to see them for quite some time, etc. Other than that, it's what I think is pretty straightforward, "can we meet at 2 pm for two hours" sort of thing.  

I leave it to others to TOFTT.

pigeons and some people are statues.  You're a statue.  Its just the way nature is.  

wow....i've been hobbying for 10+ yrs and i've never had the troubles you've had on just those 3. dude, what area are you in? i'm in Chicago, and tho I'm sure it happens here, i have yet to experience your woe's.
Fore......

Didn't you post a similar story of whoa a week or two ago?  

I hobby in the Atlanta area for the most part, but sometimes providers will tour here in Alabama

a 10/10 ...
a Touring Provider ...
your ATF ...
a bucket list gal ....  
It's like one from column A, one from Column B...

Sounds like you're sensitive, maybe get some thicker skin about it? They're girls for one and hookers for two... being late and sometimes unreliable and disappearing are part of the process. If youve seen truly well reviewed ladies it might've just been a bad string of luck.  If your texting or emailing constantly for days about an appointment you look needy. That's high maintenance and no one likes that guys or girls. I'd blow you off also, not a critique just saying. I understand you're driving from far away and need to confirm  but expecting some these girls to be able to plan several days or weeks out is like pulling teeth. I like to email or text in the morning and see them within a few hours. Otherwise it's too much work for both of us.  If you're hobbying out of town maybe just get a hotel for a day or two and call it a vacation for yourself. Once you get there try to round someone up to come over.  If you score a good one, good for you. If you run into problems, oh well, you wanted to take a day or two away anyways. Go have some fun and enjoy wherever you are. It shouldn't be that difficult.  Was thousands of chicks out there willing to do this. If someone gives you the runaround just cut ties and don't talk to them again. It's the best way.  Have fun and don't sweat it.  

If a lady goes to outcall only, it doesn't necessarily mean she is "raising her rates without raising her rates"!  

But at least in golf you get 90 shots in 5 hours, instead of 1 shot in 1 hour. And for 500 big ones, one can play Pebble.  

Reviews are not a guarantee that you will have a positive experience, or an experience at all.

You make street walkers sound more reliable than the well reviewed.  

I agree wholeheartedly with this advice. The OP mentioned a pet experience and of being strung along via email while booking .. amusingly both of which in different manners I've experienced. Unfortunately, I do have a very busy schedule so I try to book in advance as well. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. It takes thick skin to survive and stay a gentleman in the process. Mojojo is right about down to earth ladies and one of my past favorites used to say that whatever one does "always keep it classy." The bad experiences are what we have to compare the good ones against. Continue enjoying life and spend your time and money with the providers who are classy and respectful.

Post up some links or names.  I"m sure guys in the Atlanta area can chime-in to your curse.  

coeur-de-lion, with my former ATF, I would often go for weeks or months without seeing her after one of her stunts. Like your regular, mine would ask and I'd tell her. I'd get the "I'm so sorry, I'll make it up to you" line. Then she'd just start in on the same old routine again. She obviously didn't care if I came back or not.  

Zzbottom2, I was married for decades to a woman who was proud to call herself a bitch. I have a pretty thick skin. I'm sensitive to this right now because I have limited time. This latest provider just wasted a weekend in which I could have been with someone else.  

I'm not making this up. I also don't understand your first paragraph.

Sure it's raising her rates. Before, she included the cost of the hotel in her rate. Now, the customer has to pay for the hotel. That's another $125 to $200 for the customer, and $125 to $200 that she doesn't have to shell out.

Thanks. It's nice to know I'm not alone in this.  I think.

It's clear that you are spending a lot of money and not really enjoying yourself. If you can't find what you are looking for in Atlanta for less than $800 there is simply no hope for you. Atlanta is one of the very best places in the country where it comes to the number of available hotties and ladies at a quite reasonable price point.

You can choose to believe me or not. I'm not going to post links to reviews and embarrass ladies. If I were raving about them, it would be a different story.  

The OP sounds like one of those guys.

Maybe you're right, GaG.

like a bad hobby experience,  was still better than my best day at work,    

once I'm alone with the woman, it's almost always good. Even with the ones who use old photos or manipulate the reviews, with just one exception the sex has been good. As I've mentioned in other posts, the problem for the most part is getting from first email or text contact to getting to the hotel. The sex with the one provider with the dog was great, too. The three of us laid back and had a cigarette when it was over.

fido enjoyed the cigarette too ?

after you're screened, the gal has invested the time to move forward and receive your money. It makes no sense she'd invest the time to verify you then not see you.  

Still don't believe you.

Thanks for the constructive criticism.

When you spoke under your real handle, I had a more of a foundation of knowledge about who you are/were to try to help you.

to figure it out. Maybe he could ask the question, how did I treat my former ATF differently than I am treating these new ladies?

Too much stock in reviews, and setting myself up to be a doormat. I agree on both points.

Agreed. However, even the PM system isn't without flaws. I pm'ed guys about the latest provider with fake 10/10 reviews, and was assured that she was beautiful. The guys are just cowed by her. If I could post a full-length photo of her on this forum showing her face and body, I'm certain there's not a guy here who would score her a 10 or even a 9. But her reviewers keep giving her 10's, and probably because she's pressuring them as she did me.

I've mentioned my learned experience with all 10/10's in previous posts.  

There will be some great deals on golf equipment right after the holidays.

just asking ....  as in daisy chain ?      

I was expecting more sage advice.

In Atlanta I'd be seeing Grace Kelly and Ginger Taylor  
Opposites in size and stature but both pleasers.

Yes it is! It is all relative but by your logic I could say, "Is 5 million really that much more than 3.5 million?"

...Well PRS2005 many of us have experienced individual disappointment with the providers NCNS & not behaving the way they have been reviewed or advertised, and although your case seems a bit extreme if I were you I would begin by examining the common denominators. I would encourage you to spend more effort in scrutinizing any reviews that you use to decide which provider to choose, look at the history of the reviewers you may even use the TER PM system to contact other reviewers. I am fortunate enough to have many great providers in my area so I seldom book appointments with visiting providers because if they get booked up they may choose to see to many guys in one day. I hope this helps you happy hobbying,

Keep your head still, now down.  I'm sure golf will suit you well.  You can lie on your score card ,just like you lie on this board.

If I had the money (and the time...)  - I would see them every day and twice on Saturdays.  I have reviewed them.

or you're just lying.

They are not the same.

I firmly believe, even in the hobby world there are Jills for every Jack.  The issue is finding a truly compatible match or two, where you both are totally thrilled with each other's company, and the business arrangement.  

I think he was referring to the response from josulli saying you can't post links.

Well, you could go see her for yourself and let us know. I can't think of another way to prove to you I'm not lying. And why would I lie? It's not like I'm saying I have an 8" dick or I'm a billionaire or I'm the greatest fuck in the world. I'm saying I have a problem, and I'm looking for ideas

I was thrown off at first because there was nothing in the post tippicanoe was replying too that said anything about not being able to post links.

If I were here saying that I was a multimillionaire, or that I have a giant dick, I was the greatest fuck of all time, or even if I was here naming the providers (and thus damaging reputations), that would be a reason to lie. But saying, "I'm such a fuck up that I can't successfully pay for sex"? How is that a reason to lie?

that speak you language. Someone who sees women as you'd like to see them...if he calls them fat ... they're FAT, if he says they do a BBBJ and you like that, run don't walk. Someone who's word you respect.  

I have no idea, maybe attentions seeker, troll, who knows.

Yet, you're sill having problems.  At this point the problem is you.  Not other reviewers, not providers, not anybody else but YOU.

First, $500 for the weekend is not much more than 350. Phone numbers please.  

Sounds to me like you are just letting too much slide. I feel bad that you are having such bad experiences!! But I do agree with what someone said about you train people how to treat you. They can only get away with what you let them get away with. If they aren't treating you the way you feel you deserve to be treated, don't be scared to walk away. There are a million providers out here, in this hobby. Find one that treats you well.
I would NEVER dream of showing up an hour or more late to an appointment! That is insane. I was literally a minute late when I rang the doorbell to a meeting last night (because I missed my turn ), and I was so apologetic for it. He laughed, and said, you aren't even late. I just know that I expect others to respect my time, so I do the same. To me, five minutes early is standard. If they aren't ready for me yet, I can wait a few minutes.
And a dog with you in bed during your appointment?!!? I honestly cannot believe the unprofessionalism and lack of customer service that some providers live by. I know it happens. I just can't fathom it. We are in a people oriented business. Our goal should be to have happy clients leaving our places, not more frustrated or upset.

I think we all might think you're just catfish ing us a bit.

I see the lie accusation often when I start threads, and I can never figure it out. I can't see what the angle would be. It's not exactly a joy to open up and have people criticize you, even when the criticism is constructive.  

Evidently you are already well versed in humility based upon your post.

You know, I am getting some good advice, but not from you. You're just an asshole. Why are you even reading this thread if it bothers you so much? Fucking pervert.

Oh, no. The one I paid $800 is absolutely the best. Everything, from the first communication to the last, to the hotels she chooses, to the way she accessorizes the room, to her clothes, makeup, face, body, performance...everything is just perfect. She makes me (and I'm sure every guy she sees) feel like the only guy in the world. I wish I could find more like her.

Thanks, Russ. Some good pieces of advice.

Look like you've learned something today. Pervert!!! hahahahaha

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Probably safe to say that of those 10 other guys 7 of them may well have written a good review as well. -- Okay, maybe not as I suspect most hobbyist don't write reviews but you get the point being made. The willingness to repeat and good reviews are only loosely related.

The touring issue is probably one of those -- set your expectations low and have some backup plans.  Same with the ATF and some of the other indies -- just expect scheduling issues and don't let them get to you.

Have you learned how to read other peoples reviews from this experience as well. Just because some will give that max to all the girls they see AND you don't agree with the assessment learn to use an adjustment factor rather than assuming your scale is the same as others' here. You might start with better expectations going in -- or knowing to go somewhere else.

"But saying, 'I'm such a fuck up that I can't successfully pay for sex'? How is that a reason to lie? "

I've been privvy to what some of the providers have told new providers asking for a reference. It's been good, and really better than what I expected. Even the provider I gave the unwanted 8 to had good things to say. The most lackluster was from my ATF's assistant, who just said, "he's clean and safe".

What I've been doing for quite some time is looking at the reviewers' scores of a provider I'm interested in, and then looking at his reviews of other providers. I'm looking to see if he tends to score high, low, or have a pretty good spread from low to high. I also look to see if he's reviewed any providers I'm familiar with, just to see if our tastes are the same. I wish I'd done this last year, as I could have avoided one of the providers with outdated photos.  

/eom.

Very classy.

I would put him on my list of DNS.  Somebody with that bad luck, isn't luck at all.

What's your problem, dipshit? You claim to be bothered by my thread, yet you keep following me around bitching about it. Why keep reading it? Everyone else has moved on to other topics.  

You probably are failing because of a combination of asperger and autism.  Take your own advice, nobody invited you into this particular discussion.  Your actions in this thread are pretty clear indicators of why you can't succeed when even paying for it.

Quit following me gay boy, and I mean that as a piece of advice.  You're renting from the wrong office space, which is obviously your problem paired with your psychiatric issues.  You've answered your own question to your problems.

Tua madre è una puttana, e Il tuo padre aspira il rubinetto di cavallo

How cute, your obsessive compulsive behavior is finally shining through.  Its now clear why you're failing.

This has gotten boring, father. Let's clash on another thread sometime.

creepy