Why $ 500 ph ? It's called "supply & demand" & "free market".  If you don't wanna frequent providers at that price range, do TER review research for lower priced providers, or hit BP instead of whining here.

1. What's your definition of "good?"
2. How long would you have me wait to see a $500  provider, and
3. what would be the reduced price be, before it's OK to book with her?
4. How is it you can't find someone to fit the bill, under $500?

"Pay whatever the fuck you want to"

Now you are getting the idea.

One time a provider during my appointment called around to different providers telling them they were not charging enough.

Many have complained to me personally that other providers are hurting their business by offering discounts and under pricing.

The big and number one reason why providers get to charge extra is for the services they charge. Many don't want to do bbbj but they do it because it gives them a higher rate than cbj.

I do the same when I see a provider prices goes down to my price range I execute a buy order.

I know there are a few who have sugar daddies. When the sugar daddies breaks up they lower the price. Some providers will fight over a sugar daddy (that is another topic).

There has been an increase with a lot of providers in the last couple of years. Some of them I had seen at $250-$300. As far as I am concerned they are still the same providers and I won't pay their increases. Most of them will run "specials" back to their reasonable amount when the bills are due at the end of the month.
$300 or $500. I don't see or feel a difference.

As expected, the white knights and manginas want to throw you into the lion's den. Don't let their pettiness get to you. They don't know any better.  

What a bunch of whiny little bitches.

There are loads of "quality" ladies at rates much less than %500 per hour, even in markets like NYC and Vegas.

I you (the OP that is) aren't smart enough to use the tools provided right here on TER, I don't have much sympathy for you.

I've been away from TER for a while - when did all the good girls up their rates to 500 and hr and why are you guys paying that?

We control the market, not the other way around,  500 an hr is way too much  IMHO/

thoughts?

My thought is that if you can't find an excellent provider for HALF of $500 you have no earthly clue how to use the ter search engine. Have a nice day.

I can find cheaper girls and  I do.  I was asking how did the  standard rate for a bunch of girls get to  500 hr.

Have you tried seeing K girls? And as the previous posts have mentioned hobby at a level you can afford, quit your bitchin' , and crank up the TER search engine.  You can also try the OC, ladies there, are usually less then LA.  It looks like you've got champagne taste and a beer wallet.

1 subjective, but I know it when I see it
2 Never
3 300 is top for an hour
4 I can and I do


Sorry I posted this, I didn't know I was going to have to argue with you guys.  

Pay whatever the fuck you want to

the gap in your reviews doesn't really go that far back and there was (is) a giant recession in between.  what did the $500 lay used to go for?

Collusion.

It is NOT a free market. Entry into the market is restricted. And a lot of times girls all get together on online forums guys can't see and stuff and pressure each other to maintain high rates or to all raise their rates at once. Because they all do it together, consumer choice is short-circuited.

In essence, it brings a monopoly-type force to bear that gives you the paradox of paying for services from women who can feel as entitled as a wife.

THAT is how it happens.

The solution is to not pay them. Getting laid isn't THAT important. Eventually, they will figure out that 2x300 is bigger than 0x500.

So the second reason they charge that is because men are willing to pay it when they SHOULDN'T because the prices were artificially set by collusion rather than a free market.

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There are so many outstanding providers in the LA area that are in the $300-$400 range.  If a provider is not worth $500, the free market will soon bring that price down.  If you look at the LA regional board, you will see that $500 + providers are constantly offering "specials" and discounts.  Just enjoy the fact that you live in an area that has so many reasonably priced, wonderful women.

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This is largely an independent line of work...each lady for herself. We exchange information sometimes...trade secrets (favorite brand of condoms, how to get squatters to leave) but that's it. Do you think that we'd actually trust one another enough to form such a risky 'collusion'? Like, if the 'monopoly' decides to raise to $600, why wouldn't one girl decide to offer $400 on the sly to get an edge on the others? This is an illegal business, and some participants are pretty shady...there's a fundamental distrust between providers. We are VERY slow to trust until somebody has proven themselves time and again as honorable. And we don't always fully trust each other even then. How many girls, then, do you think would participate in a 'collusion'? No, we generally do what works for ourselves, and if we take a risk by raising our rates, we do it alone.  

Some girls have a client base with no more than $300/wk to spend...other girls work to attract the clients, fewer in numbers, who can pay into the several thousands. It depends on the girl's business model...if she attracts the clients who pay $300/wk, no "collusion" will get them to pay $500. Her clients will simply look elsewhere...and with all of the girls out there, they'll be able to find what they want...whether it's 150 or 1500. So, it IS a free market. Girls charge what they can get; if their rates aren't bringing them enough business, they will go down.

If a girl sees somebody similar to herself successfully advertising at a higher rate than she does...of course she will want to raise her rates. It will tell her that there is a market at that price level, and that there is possibly an opportunity for her to tap into it. That would be the only reason I can think of for a 'mass' raising of rates, if such a thing exists.

Feel like I wasted my energy even responding...never heard such nonsense!!

whatever a lady sets her rates are her business whether it is 500/hr or 2k/hr.I do not know what gave you the idea that you control the market.If you cannot afford what the ladies rates are see someone who has lower rates judging by some of your reviews I see you have already found them.So,exactly what is the problem?Might be way too much to you but guaranteed there are many that will not even blink an eye or think twice about it.What you said "pay what you want"exactly!The guys will and us providers will continue to set our rates how we see fit.

Ever worked at a gas station?

Most have rules. Every morning, you look at what competitor X is charging, and you set your price to 3 cents more, or 2 cents less. So you end up with the same result as collusion without the need for cooperation.

Granted, a lot of providers trust each other only slightly more than they trust clients. (But they trust each other enough to stake their lives on each other's verifications -- don't they?) So direct collusion is sometimes not practiced because, yeah, there's a trust factor.

But a lot of this indirect collusion goes on. I remember watching in one city in TX and all within a week every girl of a certain class raised her rates by $100. Either that was planned or unplanned, but in effect it was collusion just the same.

In marketing, it is called "not leaving money on the table."

I don't actually think we disagree much. I agree the factors you point out are also at play.

But it is NOT a free market because it IS illegal. Therefore the prices are already artificially high just like for illegal drugs because of an artificial restriction on supply.

How much do you think pot would cost if it were legal? A 4th of its current price? Same thing for providers.

we agree, the OP is an idiot, end of story.

See how easy that is.

but I find plenty of nice ladies for far less than that.  YOU set your price range & decide what you are willing to pay.
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Aside from that, I'll leave other board members to discuss your other points...although, I will say that 1) the theory of illegality reducing supply/raising prices has been disputed (although it's an endlessly arguable debate due to the amount of factors); and 2) One provider telling another what to do has no measurable effect, economic or otherwise...do you think that Walmart cares if Saks thinks it's prices are too low? By and large, we providers weigh feedback from all sources and make our own business decisions, which fit our specific circumstances.  

But, my original point was that there is NO conspiracy, 'collusion,' or 'monopoly' amongst providers to raise prices.

I'm a pretty "good girl" pardon my bias that's not 500/hr BUT I think who controls what might be pretty equal if not leaning to those with the vaginas pardon my bias but I look on all kinds of boards in all kind of areas and there are some "regular providers" aka NOT Major PORN STARS charging that and more an hr but in the sea of "regular providers" they are still a small bunch.  And sometimes the simplest answer is the best one and some pay it BECAUSE THEY CAN . In your opinion 500/hr is too much but for some it's not & it'll always be that way.

1. An answer that is one.
2. -
3. 300 is yours that's fine but don't always let price restrict you if one day you get the chance to see a favorite star or a woman who is over 350 and you really want to see her and there's no way to barter her down.
4. -

And if there were haha HAHA HAHA (wish I could make the 3rd bigger) 500/hr might not be the minimum whether most deserved it or not.

Only makes it a very, very expensive Volkswagon, it doesn't make it a Rolls.

People who overcharge use the same invalid arguments as "low income" people do to justify their rates.

Using myself as an example, I have no issues blowing ten grand on a weekend, but I won't pay much over three hundred bucks for a provider, unless she just hits every button I have for looks. It's not that I can't afford it, I just like to get value for my money.

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Completely agree!

It's what the market will bare. If you want to shop at wal-mart with a discount in mind, then do that. If you want something rare, unique and authentic, then strive for that amazing connection. That ability, that power to wield desire is cultivated. I invite you to feel the even exchange. Both parties know when the "trade" as been fair.

Would you refuse a fine cigar because its not "cheap"?

supply is small compared to demand. so Adam Smith saysprices can go higher until they fail to work.

THIS market is one of a very very few that are free and not controlled by anyone. whaddaya think this is? a socialist utopia? LOL!

There is no provider-wide conspiracy or collusion. However, I DO believe there are attempts at peer pressure plus the gas-station effect I mentioned earlier; and I believe that collusion DOES occur on a smaller scale. For example, there is one group of ladies who all know each other and participate in certain joint endeavors. Last fall, they ALL raised their prices at once.

Obviously, this only occurs in small pockets for a bunch of reasons. But to argue that it doesn't occur at all is not reasonable. That sort of thing cannot scale because, quite frankly, there just isn't a large market of guys ready to pay $600+ just for starters. Like I said, 2x300>0x500. So even though attempts to raise prices among a group of girls do occur, their scope is limited and it breaks down because every girl has to deal with her own individual market conditions.

Whether or not the illegality artificially restricts supply thus raising prices higher than they would ordinarily be can be determined by comparing rates to comparable places where prostitution is legal. In general, when comparing apples to apples in terms of looks, escorts that would have 9 average looks on the ter scale charge $200 in Amsterdam as opposed to $400 here for a 9. Obviously, you can find women at any price point, but on average it seems the gfe girls in Amsterdam cost about half what they do here.

But all of this notwithstanding, as I said originally in this thread, anyone who can use the ter search engine can find an overwhelming selection of really fantastic providers at under 300.

So the fact that collusion or price watching occurs on a limited scale doesn't affect the overall market much. What does affect the market, imho, is the legal restriction. But even at that, like I said, the search engine shows the OP to be an idiot because there are thousands upon thousands of highly rated providers at less than or equal to 300.

First, I find it hard to believe "all the good ones" are charging 500.  I admit I do not play in LA much, but I do travel to a number of other large and small cities and just do not see that.  Of course, some do, but I still see that as a distinct minority--and some VERY good ladies at significantly less than that.  Part may be your definition of "best", I do not know.

Why are guys paying it?  Could it be because they do not agree that the price is too high?  Personally that is more than I can typically pay so I do not.  But if everyone felt that way, the price would drop so I assume enough men have enough expendable $$ and think 500--or whatever the price is--is a fair value.  I find it even more astonishing why some people pay 70 for a steak dinner or 70,000 for a car.  And they probably think I am mad for paying what I do for things I value.

But the most egregious comment is "We control the market".  No, actually we do not.  Nor do they.  Contrary to another poster there IS relatively free access for the ladies.  It takes posting an ad, getting an e-mail address, and having the willingness.  No taxes up front, no regulations, no competency tests.  If anything there are more barriers to leaving for women who find themselves financially unable to stop.  I have seen both sides try to set rates, and have not seen it work in either direction.

I disagree with the conspiracy argument as well.  One of the key assumptions of a free market--which I believe this is--is knowledge.  Each consumer and each provider knows what everyone else is charging and can act accordingly.  In that situation what some see as "collusion" is just reaction to this knowledge.  Should a lady who is charging 50 more than those she thinks are her comparable NOT lower her price if she knows she is too high priced to be competitive?  Conversely, if she sees others she believes are "not as good" as she is, should she keep her rates 50 lower just to not seem to collude?  Of course not.  Tracking of prices should be the case in a free market.

if consumer controlled any market than I could buy expensive stuff for much less..we do not control anything..you cannot tell a lady what to charge. It is always the same story don't look at what you cannot afford look at what you can.

that's the argument the low income make to think they are smarter because they pay less...cars are not all the same so are houses so is wine, etc,etc

amen

houses and wines, etc. Body type and mileage and such are what's different. It's mostly a matter of vintage, taste, what a person is willing to pay, and what is available. In some circles (mostly the "have nots") think of it as snobbery; others (mostly the "haves") think of it as status quo.

By the way "kewl," (using textspeak, hm?) low income does not equate to low intelligence. Low income is merely a matter of not making as much money as someone else. Low intelligence is the inability to understand even basics whether it's academics or street smarts.

Im used to montreal prices for half of these prices and you defonately get better quality even with 300 you should get an sp that does ultimate status

yet your reviews are low scores...where is the quality?

I don't want a Rolls or a Volkswagen.  I want a fuckin' Ferrari!

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Hope you will accept my apology.

Hey if a provider is smoking hot and a one in a lifetime person and she has the goods that clients want she has the right to milk it for all its worth.  $500.00 for a hottie that gives you what you need or aren't getting at home sounds like a fair deal.