This general topic has come up in the past. For a lot of us, BBBJ and BBBJ/DFK are the make or break requirements. What I can't believe are the number of Providers who are asking 6, 7, 8, and MORE but do not provide BBBJ or DFK (based on Profiles). I can have a better time at a non-GFE AMP for less than 1/2 of their ask.
is that I won't even see girls who do not have BBBJ and GFE on their menu. If the ad doesn't make it clear, then I look to her TER profile and past reviews. If it uncertain whether these are offered at the stated rate without an upcharge, then its a pass for me. I want to know what to expect before I agree to see her. The profile and reviews will tell me that. You must have VIP to read the details, but its worth it, IMO. One mistake made in choosing a provider because of lack of intel will cost you as much as a whole year of TER VIP.
My history with non-GFE sessions have been rather poor compared to my GFE sessions. Though I keep thinking there has got to be a way to make it work. I like the idea of getting a better looking girl at a lower price . But the reality is without BBBJ/DFK I find it very difficult to get aroused enough to pop.. Should I keep trying till I find the right non-GFE provider? Or would most agree that the experience is not worth it ( even if the girl is better looking )?
Try something, or someone new that does more, but less GFE. Naughty fun keep an open mind.
if something is worth it to you or not !
Is 12 ounce of Wagyu Steak that can cost up to $100s worth it? Some folks who make a million a year might say it's not, while some who don't make that kind of dough, might insist it is..
If couple of hundred bucks is holding you back (difference between GFE v/s NO GFE providers, just find an extra source of income to make up the difference and enjoy a GFE provider if that where your sweet spot is.
But at the end of the day, only you can tell if something is worth to you or not !
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is that I won't even see girls who do not have BBBJ and GFE on their menu. If the ad doesn't make it clear, then I look to her TER profile and past reviews. If it uncertain whether these are offered at the stated rate without an upcharge, then its a pass for me. I want to know what to expect before I agree to see her. The profile and reviews will tell me that. You must have VIP to read the details, but its worth it, IMO. One mistake made in choosing a provider because of lack of intel will cost you as much as a whole year of TER VIP.
This general topic has come up in the past. For a lot of us, BBBJ and BBBJ/DFK are the make or break requirements. What I can't believe are the number of Providers who are asking 6, 7, 8, and MORE but do not provide BBBJ or DFK (based on Profiles). I can have a better time at a non-GFE AMP for less than 1/2 of their ask.
is that I won't even see girls who do not have BBBJ and GFE on their menu. If the ad doesn't make it clear, then I look to her TER profile and past reviews. If it uncertain whether these are offered at the stated rate without an upcharge, then its a pass for me. I want to know what to expect before I agree to see her. The profile and reviews will tell me that. You must have VIP to read the details, but its worth it, IMO. One mistake made in choosing a provider because of lack of intel will cost you as much as a whole year of TER VIP.
see non GFE girls, it seems from reading reviews that many of them cater to various fetishes, where the customer may have no interest in DFK or BBBJ because he's more into having his nipples clamped or jumper cables hooked up to his balls. To each his own, but this isn't MY idea of a sexy time.
The clear majority of your reviews are for agency or booker girls. So how much research do you do? A good house or booker knows your sweet spot. You make it sound like you go deep into vetting them as opposed to, "ok this one has larger tits". It may be best to start separating yourself from your story line and start telling the truth.
The price of one year's VIP membership is less that taking it on the shorts with a provider.
However CDL, I recently learned from a mutual friend of ours (who has been helping out admin during COVID-19) that you haven't paid membership donation for VIP in years. Your account record showed that renewal was "free VIP".
Its nice that you are a TER VIP goodwill ambassador. I've heard this story before, right?
No, not the old-timey pinups 
On the rare occasion that I might indulge, non-fat cheesecake just doesn't do it for me. I know this as I've tried it in the past and it just didn't fill the bill.
So whenever dessert is on the menu, I go for the full-leaded version. I know that I'll like it and won't be sorry for trying that sorry non-fat version.
Buena suerte!
De-caffeinated coffee
Non alcoholic beer
Non GFE hookers
Yeah, you and I are most definitely on the same page here. lol
"Non-alcoholic beer...when you want the bloated, pissy feeling without the annoying alcohol buzz!"
"diet" ice-cream.
....is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
I consider GFE to be a special service that I am willing to pay extra for and I don't resent providers who upcharge for it, so long as they make it clear that they do before I book an appointment. Of course everyone wants to pay as a little as possible, but if you don't like fish, do you order the salmon instead of the steak because it's cheaper?
gets off on porn but can't keep it up for live in-person hookers?
Your apparent issues are mounting up to become worth a visit to a mental health professional.
I've had a number of non-GFE regulars over the past 10 years. It's all about looks and delivery of the expected service for me. I'm not into butter-faces or muffin-tops, even if they can suck me all afternoon. I'd rather save my cash.
I look for key terms like kissing, I have see GFE who were blow and stick and go. And Have had GFE who were excellent. It depends on what she consider GFE. I feel bad for the new husband GFE that suck.
You are MDKILLER reincarnated, aren't you?
For me it's GFE all the way. I find I don't need to read the reviews to know. If they are high priced (at least 300) and have their own website with some detail Then I know I'm going to have a good time.
My history with non-GFE sessions have been rather poor compared to my GFE sessions.
Though I keep thinking there has got to be a way to make it work. I like the idea of getting a better looking girl at a lower price, but the reality is without BBBJ/DFK I find it very difficult to get aroused enough to pop.
However, readiing your post suggests that you define GFE along price lines and you further state that physical attractiveness and facial features are part of your equation or measuring stick to balance against price and willingness for GFE.
It also appears, based on your post, that you primarily seek non-GFE as opposed searching for GFE, yet you complain that sometimes, non-GFE is disappointing. Dude, if it's not working for you . . .
My M.O. is to focus on the things an escort is willing to do before I book with her. Even if and when I've seen photos or videos of her looks, even if and when there are descriptions from other guys in their reviews about her face and body, the one-on-one reality doesn't always measure up to the previews. Also, being a dazzlingly beautiful woman doesn't guarantee that she's not a cold, dead starfish, or bat-shit crazy, or a rip-off artist, or a clock-watcher, or a drunk, or LE, or cell-phone addicted, etc.
We can't answer your questions, Dude, because only you know what works for you.
...the hard way safe-GFE or known as non-GFE when I moved to DMV, (DC, Maryland and Virginia). I struggled to ask myself how can a provider give an absolute top-shelf BBJNQNS but will not do any kissing?! Or a smoking model type only offers only a CBJ but telling me to rough her up by the hard neck choking, forcefully hair pulling, or slapping her face/ass, which I have absolutely no interest at all.
If I read a review on a provider who is shy about the true definition of GFE requirement or YMMV kinda thing, I simply move on. A new acronym I picked up, YOLFO!
often mis-labeled and abused as a marketing tool to charge more.
Maybe it's time for a new label -- "NBE" -- Nevada Brothel Experience.
Simply put, I can log on to PH and beat off for far less money than paying a high rate for a non-GFE provider. I'm not going to say that I have never seen a non-GFE provider, but I will say that I haven't made it a priority to go back. Within reasonable rates it can be a fun time. Where I draw the line is when the rates for non-GFE are neck and neck with the rates for GFE. If I'm going to pay a car note for a session then I prefer to do it with a lady that provides BBBJ, Kissing, etc. Non-GFE at 400/500 is just a rip off.
It’s hard to believe a non GFE provider would charge the same as a GFE provider, it’s like the non GFE providers think just to be in there presence is a privilege guys should be trilled about, news flash, when I see a provider, all I care about is getting laid and the best way for that to happen is bbbj and dfk, the true GFE!
NON-GFE girls are a buzzkill. I had one recently who claimed to be a GFE, but did not want to kiss, suck or do just about anything. She was even too lazy to have proper hygiene despite being a very cute girl. The whole point of her performance is to provide a fantasy, not for us to subsidize lazy grifter types who want to do the least amount of work just because they are good-looking girls. I 've had this happen more than once, so no more Non- GFEs for me.
Good god, when a $$$+ plus provider doesn't even wash or brush their teeth properly before a session, WTF?
After a combination of provider that was a) Late b) High c) Not as Advertised d) Dirty -- I, like Scarlett O'Hara, said "Never Again".
true; it is entirely unacceptable for a girl to be too lazy to take i5 seconds with a baby wipe to freshen up- plus she wants $400! ( I gave her $260)
I am quite the opposite - being a bit overly cautious perhaps, but I don’t do bare anything and stopped DFKing since COVID. When I see girls who don’t offer those services - I feel safer with them and it’s a plus for me. Of course lack of such stimulation has its challenges but the blue pill helps.
The fact that you need the "blue pill" to get stimulated by a non GFE session suggests you are of a "certain age" and people of a certain age are the most vulnerable to COVID. So what might be "overly cautious" to someone like me who has the immune system of a cockroach, might be only be "reasonably prudent" to someone who is elderly or who has a compromised immune system.
The good news is that there are huge numbers of providers for BOTH our tastes. So to borrow a line from Herb "Life is Good" lol
You're somewhat right in the " I like the idea of getting a better looking girl at a lower price"
That's what I've done in some cases. I've met some who didn't do the whole GFE but had an insane body and a look that I like. If she has that "it" body and the price of admission is relatable to what I think I can do then yes, it's worth it. But I know she won't be a GFE so my expectation are in check.
But all in all, I'd prefer the GFE deal but I ain't dishing out some the crazy ass fees some girls are asking.
Sometimes you just want that late night "pillow fight" or just tickle each other into some crazy shit.
The most incredible experiences that I have had in the hobby all involved GFE providers.
There's no way that GFE should not be a part of a session.