if not a put-on, what a dumb fucker---GaG & LP, how did you let this one slip by ?--------

not special"Of the last 10 providers that I've seen, I've done four BB. Two on the first date, one on the second and one on the third."

   I don't do bare back with my live in GFs,even though some complain.One of them asked me why I was so prudish.
I used common sense long before I started hobbying.Why stop now?
 Either you are a liar or a certified idiot.
I'm hoping you are a liar.
I have never had a provider offer BBFS.

The truth is I'd love to know who you are so that I could be assured of staying well away from you. At the rate you are going, you will soon be a walking disease factory.

Posts like this seriously make me reconsider my preference for BBBJ.

I can't be the only one. Of the last 10 providers that I've seen, I've done four BB. Two on the first date, one on the second and one on the third. These ladies reviews always mention condoms. Tell the truth (use alias)....is this common? I have "visited Greece" with two of these ladies as well. I know that I will be told off and lectured, but, truthfully, have you as well?

I have never done bb with any providers, not even my regulars.  Even if they offer, I wouldn't do it.  bbbj, yes.  But not bbs man.

I was hoping that somehow, miracle upon miracle, this would turn into intelligent discourse.  Either that, or my purchase of stocks in the infrastructure sector would prosper from the rebuilding of all that ripped out rail.

All kidding aside, I do have an ulterior motive, but I'm going to keep it to myself until this thread unfolds.

Have you been getting nite-sweats???
If your not careful,you just might!

It was with a very experienced, highly rated and respected provider.  She knew me and trusted me when I told her I am regularly tested, as I trusted her saying the same. She saw that I was having a bit of trouble getting off and suggested I remove the cover.  She did ask that I deposit on her back, though, which I did.  Even so, as a general rule, I don't think this is a great idea.  Think Magic Johnson.  Then think Hepatitis C, which is easier transmitted and really quite common, especially among Asian immigrants.

Seriously.  If a woman is willing to do bbfs don't you think just maybe she has something and doesn't care anymore?  So why would she care if you got whatever it was she has?  Be honest....do you even care whether you live or not?  

I think this alias should be flipped so us women who are safe and enjoy our health can avoid this person.  My skin is crawling at the thought of what you have now or don't care you catch.

No; I haven't and I wouldn't.  Are ya nuts?  Why would you indiscriminately proceed unprotected?  And GREECE !!!   Ya gotta be kiddin me!!  It really doesn't matter how many women are willing to do this.  Why would you acquiesce to it?  One could argue that with an ATF, the two of you became irrevocably caught up in the moment...but four times!!  Please go get checked out and get treated for all that is treatable.  Then....quickly exit the hobby and save others some grief.

- Herpes/HPV can be transmitted from basic contact, even if there is a cover, and you can be infected with Herpes and never know. The incidence of herpes infections is supposed to be 25%. Lets assume that half of the providers out there are safer than on average, so that 50% of providers are infected with Herpes. With four BB sessions, you have it.
 - The number of STDs which can be transmitted without a cover is quite large and they are quite common
 - BB anal has a serious risk for HIV
 - What about pregnancy? Knock knock!
 - There are others, but this is a decent start

Lecture of the dangers of BFSB aside... I am sure that BB is more prevalent than we tend to think or want to believe. That's why it is all the more important for everyone to be careful. Even sharing test results is not fool proof, especially given the incubation for HIV antibodies. If a lady offers you BB on the first round, then you know she's offering it to anybody that asks, or doesn't ask. That's a huge risk.

If this were just about the risk to you, I would say have at and drop dead when you get there, but it isn't just about you. You put everyone else at risk, whether in the hobby or not.

You need to stop all hobbying, and get a complete screen. Wait for 3 months, and get screened again, and then another screen for HIV after another 3 months.

What a fucking moronic motherfucking fucktard (Sorry Mikey)

The risk is just way WAY too high!

Why would you be so irresponsible and reckless with your life?Are you married have a significant other that you are potentially putting at risk?There is too much information out here to inform yourself on the dangers of what you are doing.This is crazy that you even posted this under an alias of course if this person's real handle was uncovered good luck on trying to find a lady but as the other posters said you must really have a death wish.If these providers offered it to you they are offering it to others whether it is a first date or someone you have seen multiple times.You do not know a person's medical history and they are not going to be forthcoming with you and say "Oh Yeah I have a STD"so you have to protect yourself.You might not be the only person that has done this but the majority of people have common sense and I would think would use their head for more than a hat rack.Unbelieveable and a major NO-NO!

standing in front of a firing squad and "hoping" all the rifles are loaded with blanks.  Some would call it Russian Roulette.  If I know a lady does BBFS, I will not see her.  I value my life on this great earth.

Have had inadvertent bb twice in the last 10 years when the cap broke. Survived the first time, and early indications are I have survived the second (still have to wait 10 days for final results), so perhaps the old truism about pros being safer than civvies is really true, but still...

Ironically, was with a provider last week and after a flood of way too much talk and lots of instruction on what to do and exactly how to do it, I kind of lost interest. Good professional that she was, she began to make some real efforts to make me happy. I think that those efforts may have included an offer to go BB if I could get it up and it would make me happy, but I am not 100% sure that was the offer and I did not try to confirm it. Having returned from the STD test just before meeting her (I do not recommend this a a way to get into the mood, btw), I had lots and lots of reasons right there, front of mind, why that was not going to happen. Excellent reasons for both of our welfare, though I was pretty sure that I was clean right then.

Maybe I misunderstood, maybe I did not, but the suggestion that she might do that pretty much sealed the deal for me. Loss of interest was complete, and final. I did enjoy caressing her body, a sweet kiss, and watching her get dressed, but sex was not going to happen any more that day.

As others have said, it is sort of like politics. No one who really wants to be President should be trusted with that power; and no one who wants BBFS, much less anal for God's sake, can be trusted to have it. Yeah, it feels better, and you may get away with it a few times, but eventually you will pay with your life and probably kill a few others along the way.

That is how I see it, and that is despite the fact that I do not like condoms, not at all. They are surely better than the alternative.

Since we are confessing here, I have never lied.  I have never smoked anything or drank alcohol.  I have never taken pencils from work and brought them home.  

So you are just a terrible man.  Terrible, I tell you.  Don't you know bareback is illegal?  Its a class A felony and that's proven scientific fact!

You naughty, naughty man you.

I visit an UTR agency...  I know 2-3 providers willing to do it.  I haven't tried, but my friend confirmed it happened to him and he thought he was special.  [rolls eyes]  I asked my ATF there ~ she said yup, it does happen (bbfs), it just all depends on the girl...

So...it's wise to rain-coat up, whoever you see.  

Interesting to see where this thread leads...

I in no way condone this behavior but what is really gained by flipping the alias?

I know, I know, so everyone will know who this guy is so all can stay clear of him and the ladies he's seen. I get that BUT think about this.....if the alias does indeed get flipped, you don't change the culture of the hobby.

In turn you just push this and so many other issues out of sight. Do you think the op would ever have discussed this without an alias? I don't think he or anyone else would have and I think that issues like these kinds of behaviors need to be brought to light. If nothing else it opens the dialog to make our argument about topics like these, instead of just burying our heads in the sand and pretending they don't exist!

For all those that think is the op for real or not (maybe he is, maybe he's not) this does happen in this hobby. I have been offered bbfs once myself on a FIRST encounter with said provider. I declined and subsequently ended the session, never to return. Oh and just in case you wondered, it was not a low end lady off CL or BP it was a $400hr lady.

Just my take on it.

And I have heard it from a provider I know and trust. So I don't doubt it.

HOWEVER, no way on this planet or any other would I EVER partake of vaginal or anal intercourse with any woman outside of strict bilateral monogamy without a condom; and I believe that those who do are out of their fucking minds.

I'm not saying your claim is true or false, but I am saying it's meaningless.

No one knows who you are, what you're like from your posts/reviews, so what reason does anyone have for believing or not believing whhat you say.  The same applies to annonimous posters claiming they did or didn't have BB something with an unnamed provider.  Sadly some people with agendas will post numbers to skew the "poll" to whatever reality they want people to believe, or to toss a hand grenade in a crowded theater.

I think it's a significant question, I just give no credence to numbers posted by an alias in such a thread.  I know why people would post this annonimously, I just think it inherently invalidates most if not all the replies.

-- Modified on 11/2/2010 4:34:34 PM

I was with a Provider who was staging for CG. She was on top, of course. I was standing at attention, she rubbed her raw wetness on me, and started down. I called time-out.    I'm sure it happens.

It was with an ATF with SO potential.

i had known her for about 2years, we actually became friends so we hung out a lot off the clock too and met each others friends, even some of our families.  well,one night our little crushes on each other manifested. i'd seen her at her house numerous times, but this time we went in her actual bedroom where she and her SO slept(SO out of town) and i don't know if you would call it a lapse in judgment or or just letting the hormones get to us, or maybe it was the drinks we shared,but yup, we ended up doing bb.did get tested and came out clean, so maybe i dodged a bullet.

It is not as rare as it should be. I have never BBFS a lady that I am paying for sex and even now where a cover with my wife. I don't do anal ever. Only a complete and utter fool would have BBFS or BB anal out side of a monogamous relationship. People who engage in BBFS or BB anal in the hobby add to the risks to everyone else in the hobby.

BBFS and BB anal is dangerous for both the fools doing it and the others that they see even if they use a cover. Covers aren't 100% effective at preventing anything. They just reduce the odds. The ladies deserve to be warned. Flip his alias. Fools like him deserves to be outed.

Now a few questions for this fool poster. Do you hate yourself? Do you want a incurable STD like hepatitis, HIV/AIDS, or herpes? Do you hate the ladies you see both those you go BB with and those you don't? If the answer is no to any of these things, why do you act like you do by taking such risks?

Thanks to many that responded to this thread. I wasn't sure what to do about my recent experience until I read some of these replies. I will be taking a break from sex until I can be thoroughly tested. I may also stop getting BBBJ and DATY, just because the risk / reward just isn't good for me.

I have also decided to be open and honest about about my experiences, short of outing the others involved. I'll just say that even well reviewed ladies may not be using safe practices.

Most of the ladies I have seen will engage in the full GFE foreplay until some point that we mutually agree that we are ready for vaginal sex, at which point she usually applies the condom. Perhaps I have become too comfortable with this routine, and let my guard down for what other things may occur.

About a year ago, I saw a lady for the first time. During foreplay, she suddenly told me to stick it in. I thought, what!? But, I just said I needed a condom, put it on, myself, and proceeded, no problem. I wondered, though, did she want it BB? Naw! Couldn't be.

I saw the same provider, recently. This time, she was on me, CG, and allowed BB penetration. I stopped the action, and got the condom. Round two, she pulls the same shit. There is no doubt in my mind, now. This chick thinks BB with me is okay. WTF!?

Finally, I am seeing another girl for the first time. Again, we're in the CG position, and she works it in. I stop and say WTF? Now, the bad part. She convinces me she's clean, and I'm clean, and it's okay. I'm really confused and caught off guard, at this point. I was just up for a massage to get to know this girl on the first date. Now, she decides she must have me, now, on these terms. I had my weak moment.

Was it worth it? HELL NO! Like I said, I am on a time-out for over 3 months because of this.

For those who think they need to chastise for this, fire away. I'll take my consequences. I'm not using an alias. It was certainly my bad in a big way. None of the ladies I have reviewed were involved, and I won't be seeing anyone until I test clean.

Only I was with a provider and she wanted me to DATY.  She was on top and going to sit on my face and I said, hey you — hold on there a minute.  Then I took out a dental dam, after shaking my shame finger at her.  The nerve of some people!

This is one reason why even though I find CBJ sufficiently unpleasurable that I'd rather skip it altogether; I don't give providers any crap about it so long as they remove the condom after CBJ and use a fresh one for intercourse.

Still, it sucks that dumbasses like the original poster have to ruin things for everyone.

To the best of my knowledge, this poster has broken no board rules; nor is he pretending to be someone he is not (i.e. pretending to be a provider).

Meanwhile, what he is revealing is IMPORTANT. He is putting us ALL on notice to be extremely vigilant because this hobbyist is going BB with providers. This means that both hobbyists and providers should generally be treated using universal precautions.

Flipping the OP's alias would only serve to discourage such important admissions in the future; thus leading us to be less vigilant.

Furthermore, when his alias is flipped, if he has reviews, it will automatically bring every provider he has reviewed under suspicion as being someone who is allowing BBFS and BB Anal -- even if that suspicion is undeserved. He may just be blowing smoke for all we know.

So I disagree with flipping the alias, though I understand why you'd advocate it.

by johngaltnh

But he is still really stupid. He and those like him need to be shunned in this community. He and those like him are a danger to us all. With that being said, you may have a point and maybe your right that alias should remain unflipped. But if I had the power I would flip his alias. I will conceded maybe it is a good thing I don't have the power as I don't tolerate dangerous fools well.

We do agree that he is a complete fool right and that the next provider who sees and tries to get to preform BB FS/anal should toss his sorry ass out like the diseased vermin he is? Do we also agree if he is dumb enough to out himself providers everywhere should put his sorry rear on their permanent never ever see list?

We agree that he is a complete fool to engage in BBFS and BB Anal.

I can't dictate how providers should run their business. Some providers simply charge extra for BB. So maybe if this guy were outed, they would put him on their "clients I want to see" list. Remember -- he isn't acting alone.

But SHOULD they toss his ass out? Sure. Just as, if I knew who the providers were who allow him (or OFFERED him) to bareback, I wouldn't see them. But I'll never know. that's one reason why provider ethics is of such central importance.

I definitely agree that for those providers who care about themselves and their health (which obviously excludes those who bareback this guy), he should be on their "no-way no-how no-fucking-way" list.

This guy is an absolute menace. And it is behavior like his that makes problems even for conscientious guys who test often and care about the wellbeing of those with whom they have sex.

If I knew who was engaging in BB FS/anal with their clients I would put them on my do not see ever list. They are every bit the fool he is and are likely even more dangerous than him as they likely have even more sex partners. I agree ethics are vital in choosing a provider. The ethics of those we choose to see are the only thing that keeps us safe from a variety threats. That is why I spend so much time screening each lady I see. I am glad we agree, I knew we would.

P.S. Why did you post under an alias then out that alias? Just wondering.

The OP asked for aliases to be used, so I did so -- but perverted the intent by outing it.

There is a stereotype among some providers that any hobbyist using an alias is automatically doing so for some nefarious purpose. There are even a couple of providers who sort of "keep score" and say (for example) "26% of johngaltnh's posts are aliased."

By outing the aliases occasionally I demonstrate that the fundamental assumption is false, plus also demonstrate that an alias isn't really an alias.

This is my way of supporting retention of the alias feature -- something unique to TER.

I was "in a relationship" with a provider and she promissed I was the only one.  Well, I found out that I wasn't.  Since then, it's been strictly covered.  You are right, it gets offered all the time, especially with the higher priced, low volume ladies.  Go figure.

Wait....
let me see if I have this correct...

You had a condom break with a lady, and went to get tested for STIs since you could have been infected when you encountered unintended bare-dicking....

but, instead of waiting for the test results to come back you saw at least one other lady.
How many ladies have you seen since being possibly exposed to an STI ?

Since you were possibly exposed when a condom broke, you are aware they break,
so why would you see any other ladies until you knew for a fact that you didn't have anything?

You know you might have an infection but rather than keep it in your pants until the test results came back you just trusted that a condom wouldn't break with another lady?

Not sure you have any higher ground than the original poster he did BB on purpose, but you saw (intended to see) at least one other lady when you knew you might have a dose of something...
nice, very responsible.

I would like to minister to you.  Also, I need to condemn and rebuke BBFS, one on one with you.  Maybe you can tell me who the ladies are that provide BBFS so I can pray for them too.

I have used it from time to time. I just don't like aliased attack posts. I also dislike careless slobs who endanger others with their stupidity. I know now if I can post a post without a grammar error or eight, I likely get away with using an alias, but my poor proofreading will always give me away. No need to out myself.

Let's face it everyone,with all the people that p4p,how are we going to be able to police it.
Sure we can all try and follow the rules,but their are always going to be those that don't.(ladies and gentlemen)
Until we all decide to have one and only one,sex partner,the risk is gonna be there.
Now,,,where did i put that condom!!!,,,LOL!

Alias should be banned........

Even if you have only one sex partner, there is still no guarantee of monogamy or freedom from disease.  If you think sex is without risk, you are kidding yourself.  Its a question of choice and mostly a question of what you choose to believe.

Unfortunately I regularly see a lot of indiscretions taken here on this site and others, (although not to the level that this guy takes it).
I read many, many posts of guys and providers engaging in BBBJ and DATY and I sit here at the command post and all I can do is shake my head in awe and amazement.  HIV isn't the only danger out there, and although some of these STD's are curable the damage that can be caused as a result of catching and bringing home an STD to your SO if you have one can certainly be irreversible. Not to be a prude.. I certainly understand the temptation. it's not an easy thing to stand before a beautiful woman in that moment and take the high road, but thankfully I have not yet crumbled to the challenge that these urges can present to us all.
I have even searched the boards for words of reassurance that I am thinking logically and not being overly paranoid but tend to come up empty and just continue to rely on my own sense of better judgment.
All I an say is be as careful and as safe as you can my brothers and sisters...  for the sake of all of us because we are, all in this together, in more ways than one.

I have had several escorts tell me they've done it with regulars of offer it as an upcharge.  I've also had a couple girls try to slip it in during foreplay.  

It is something that none of us should ever do, for any reason...  But I think it needs to be said that it is in fact much more common than any of us would like to admit!