Recently met ATF dancer and asked to meet her after shift for drinks . . . or even no-sex lapper at hotel. After much consideration, she declined because she is "not that type," which I really respect. Honestly, I'm "not that type," either (seriously). Never left club with "company" before. And I know chances are I'm being played ITC and will need to curtail at some point. But it got me thinking . . . if good guy wanted to meet a "good girl" dancer OTC for drinks/dinner (for platonic relationship) while traveling, what is best way to achieve the goal? Or, is only option the dancer offering time for compensation OTC? Regarding dances in the club, is it true that "once you've paid, you're played" . . . or "once you've bought the dance, you're in the trance?" Will dancer actually meet client who has bought dances? Any former/current dancers want to weigh in?

Before the hobby, I was a regular at the clubs.  Although it was somewhat rare, there were times that dancers left with me.  Usually, this was just for a lift home, but there were times where she invited me in once we got there, usually for more than a drink.  Extracurricular activities were never free, of course, but simple rides home usually were.  As for me inviting them out to dinner afterwards, never tried, since it was usually too late (after 1 am) for anything other than all-night diners.   And as the lady you mention stated, she's thinking it's more than just dinner that you're interested in.  As for whether lap dances helped, yes, of course.

I suggest that you keep trying your luck out with various dancers you meet and see what happens.

You might get lucky here and there like CD did once.

Seems like an inefficient was to go about getting laid, but whatever floats your boat.

And yes, money usually helps.

Of course always in the VIP room and always a BJ one type or another CBJ or BBBJ.. That's it.. Once I paid a gorgeous girl that I had become friends with to meet me at mu condo.. fr $$.. she got into a wonderful outfit.. and got pretty much named.. but when I said it was time to move to the bedroom .. nope.. not that kind of girl.. I felt hosed.. She still calls me.. but I have sworn off strippers they exist on a different financial model.

Why bother? Any time a buddy says we should go to the strip club, I laugh in their face.

....short of offering a ridiculous amount of cash - everyone has their price, right? I have had many, many ITC and OTC romps. After some time & experience you learn which clubs are more lenient with girls offering extras. Every club has extras girls....the trick is finding them. And that takes time, experience, and most important- cash!!

and it's a varying line depending on the lady. The one big mistake that most guys make is they think that if they can only "spend enough" on a dancer somehow she is going to fall in love with him. WRONG!!! It actually has the opposite effect as a smart dancer knows that if she can keep the guy on the hook, there may be no limits to how much money she can suck out of him without ever having to fuck him.

Now you can buy a few dances, just to prove you are not a cheap or broke ass, but THAT's IT, once you are "in the trance" as you call it, you are absolutely right, you're toast in her eyes.

as for looking for a platonic relationship with a stripper, it's not really any different than with a hooker, just ask. The good thing about a hooker at least is that you will get a quick yes or no, with a stripper it's quite likely that she will make hints that she "might" want to go out with her if only you become a "regular" or some such nonsense. By and large, hookers are much more honest than strippers.

If I was a stripper I don't think I'd work the lesbian angle, can't be much money in it.

What you don't know about strippers, lesbians and women in general could filll the Grand Canyon.

.....you sound like an awesome wingman.

"What I don't know about stripper" That is quite the generalization, are all strippers alike?

As always GaG, your "clarity" is dead on target.  With strippers one is never sure what they'll get (or not get) as the money flows.  At least with providers, the menu is there and you know what you'll get without an invisible ceiling on expenses.

If we are ever in the same town at the same time, I'd love to hang with you.

"That is quite the generalization, are all strippers alike? "

When we a are talking about female strippers at a strip club it sure is.

With hookers you pay your money, "her stated rate" and for that you get what you paid for. With strippers you have no idea how much or how little the experience is going to cost you, and the funny thing about strippers is that the more you spend on them, the less they are going to respect you, and ironically the less chance you are going to have of ever fucking them.

One other thing that most definitely does NOT work with strippers and that is the "nice guy, mangina type approach" Strippers take kindness for weakness, and showering a dancer with gifts, compliments, flowers, etc is a sure fire way to get her to NOT respect you.

You have to have a certain amount of game to deal with strippers and part of that game is to exploit HER insecurities. Keep in mind that a typical strippers has guys falling all over her all fucking day and night, telling her how hot she is blah, blah, blah. The only way to separate yourself from the pack is to either actually really be rich and handsome, OR you have to play certain mind games.

Try giving a stripper a left handed compliment sometime. Something like "I like your nose, most girls couldn't pull that look off, but it looks good on you" It will drive her nuts thinking that there is something wrong with her, and instead of you trying to impress her, if done correctly she will spend the rest of the night questioning what wrong with her and trying her best to impress You. lol

However, my goal is to just get laid and nothing else.  It sounds like you seeking something beyond just no strings attached sex.  I would say it's definitely an uphill battle to get a stripper to view you as possible dating material much less a platonic friend.  Once you're a paying customer all they see is $$$ when you walk through the door.   I used to visit strip clubs from time to time, and I've met a few that wanted to be my "friend" outside the club.  They just wanted a sugar daddy and I wanted NSA fun, so I naturally declined.  

If I have to insult a woman's appearance to sleep with her, I'll just skip sleeping with her. Perhaps my veins are flowing with too much "newage" blood for my own good.  

and it's not an "insult" per se, but it is designed to play on her insecurities.

It's also the reason I prefer hookers, there is no need for any such games with hookers.

Personally, I love the thrill of the hunt. Sometimes I bag a lioness, sometimes I head home empty handed. Its a thrill sport, that's for sure. I do have certain advantages that allow me to be more successful than most, and of course I exploit it for all its worth. For me its more effective to play up to the bi-curious ones by encouraging them to explore that curiousity, in the safe and private comfort of either VIP or perhaps the closest hotel room

Whether it is a chess move or not, and I fully acknowledge that it could be a necessary move to obtain an end goal. It's just a very negative endeavor to participate in, and probably the reason I do not enjoy strip clubs. Too much negativity energy flowing from both genders.

You would be foolish to not use your advantages to your advantage. lol

and of course I would be happy to tag along and pick up your "rejects" that decide that they really weren't quite so bi curious after all and prefer dick. Considering that I am quite the dick, I would be happy to fill in.

playing this sport at stripclubs.   I never knew how much I was going to spend and everything had to be negotiated ahead of time, and I mean EVERYTHING.   These days, thanks to these wonderful tools, I am just relieved to see a set price and have a pretty good idea of what I am going to get, it is so stress-free.  

....FS (or DATY for me) is a given. Sure its cramped and often uncomfortable.... it doesn't compare to a large comfy bed in a nice hotel. And you are often paying by the song or block of time. But in its favor is knowing exactly what you're getting service wise, and knowing exactly what she looks like, for a fraction of the cost of a provider session. In my world they are not competing factions- I use both as my whim carries me.

and as I said earlier, there is a great one I know in Ecuador, but here in the US, I very rarely go to strip clubs and even more rarely do I go to an American strip club without at least one woman coming along with me.

As has been said here a thousand times, "desperation is not sexy" and a guy going to a strip club alone definitely looks desperate. I will say though, some of my best nights have been spent in strip clubs when bringing a dozen or so hookers after a M&G. Yes, we have had some GREAT times over the years doing this.

In my early days my disasters happened with agencies.  You know, open the door and your reaction is "OMG, what am I supposed to do?"   What I did one too many times was get an expensive massage -  I gave that up in favor of the stripclubs, precisely, because I wanted to have control over what the lady looked like.    Why it didn't occur to me to use the Internet until last year will probably go down as one of the stupidest things I have ever done, it cracks me up when I think about it.

There was some stooge online with pickup lines and ways to deal with women and that was one of them. And it was used on a TV show too.

If you're unable to do it its for the same reasons 90% have to pay for a half decent looking piece of ass.

"If I have to explain to you, you won't be capable of doing it anyhow"

Let's face it, some guys have "game" and others don't. If the OP has to ask how to get even a platonic date with a stripper, it's obvious that he is one of the many that "don't"

There are a few strip clubs in my area. Having been an off-and-on, occasional customer in each, I am a somewhat known quantity.  In my experience, that is a very important quality if you are not going to be "makin' it rain benjamins."  Couple that with the fact that I have had some pleasant experiences with a few dancers OTC over the years (ladies DO talk you know) and I don't have too much trouble finding someone to play with OTC if I want.

I frequented in my young days and I did bang a lot of strippers.  Not by any means every one I wanted, but enough.  I have moved on to more refined pursuits, with my older wiser self, but I can still have a damn good time in a club if I want to.  I agree with Ga Gambler's advice.  I can tell you that if you go into a club with a woman, it puts you in a different class, rather than being a horny desperate guy all by yourself.  You have to have a semi-friendly but not desperate air about you.  Have confidence and don't give a damn if the girl is not providing what you want, move on to the next.  You just have to know how to talk to these women to get what you want.  Otherwise, they will get all your money and leave you horny.  As Gambler says, you either have game or you don't.

Is it possible to offer time for compensation OTC? We have an oxymoron sighting.

I used to spend more time in clubs, but have largely given up (blue balls hurt!).  Most of the time I have thought I had a connection with a dancer but been disappointed when, after numerous dances, she indicated that she would not see me after hours.  Nevertheless, I have taken home a few dancers for sex:
1. a beautiful african american dancer in philly. she was the hottest girl in the club and I paid for private dances; we were having such fun, I kept paying for more.  She had pulled my cock out of my pants and was rubbing her pussy up and down the shaft (without penetration).  Finally, after about 12 dances, she was tapped to go back on stage.  I asked her when she got off work and she agreed to go back to my hotel.  It was pouring cats and dogs and took some time to hail a cab, I thought she was going to bail.  Finally made it back to the hotel and had great sex throughout the night and into the AM.  She never brought up rates, I gave her $500 as a tip and she seemed happy.
2. a hot-ish blonde in queens, nyc.  A friend paid for my time with her in the private room, which was lackluster.  She said she wanted to have sex, but it wasn't allowed in the club.  I asked her her number and she gave it to me.  We met up the next day for a $300/hr BBBJ/CFS session.
3. a highly tattooed redhead in a famously shabby strip club outside of Atlanta.  I bought several dances from her and asked if she escorted; she did and we made a date for the next day.

I agree,,,,,the investment one needs to make at the club to EVEN get a dancer to "come out an play" is usually equal if not greater than a 1 hour session in the hobby.  Add to that what one would have to pay to get action after leaving the club.....at least a 2X investment.