I have noticed that many classified ads have disclaimers stating that they don't service black men. It has been said that it's just a matter of personal preference, but I'm not buying that excuse because wouldn't other races of men also be excluded if that were the case? But in this case, the exclusion applies almost entirely to black men.

Because theres so many racist people out there

It's really sad And theres nothing you should have to do to be more appealing.....You can be the biggest gentleman ever and you will still find ladies unwilling to see someone because of the color of thier skin....smh....

Re: Because theres so many racist people out there

Perhaps it is the fact that black men are 800% more likely to be violent than white men. (crime statistics.)

Posted By: Gypsyofchicago

It's really sad And theres nothing you should have to do to be more appealing.....You can be the biggest gentleman ever and you will still find ladies unwilling to see someone because of the color of thier skin....smh....

But the hammer just came down.  Ouch!

Oh I'm the problem, and yet I still manage to get seen by so many different providers. You're the only one who seem to have a problem with me, the girls don't seem to mind too much and that's all that matters, lol.

Would you care to elaborate on that???

But the most plausible explanation is this::

I'm sure that every provider has their reasons.  Everyone has there preference and reasons.  We need to respect preferences and boundaries.  Maybe the provider just isn't physically attracted to a particular segment of the population?  Maybe she had a few bad experiences in the past and their was a common factor (ethnicity or something)?  Maybe it is because she is overgeneralizing and assuming that a certain subset of the population is well-endowed and she is petite and doesn't want to deal with that?  Maybe she doesn't want to deal with immature kids and therefore only sees guys 35/40+?  Maybe black escorts are doing this because they want to decrease the probability of running into someone they know?  Ask her -- maybe she will give you an answer.  But don't feel entitled to one.  In the end, it almost doesn't matter.  I do, however, understand the desire to just know why.  I am still developing my opinions on many things and use this forum --- to an extent --- as a sounding board to refine my beliefs and opinions.  

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This question has been talked about so many times already, some ladies just don't want to fuck black guys, leave it at that.
Racist or not, it's there prerogative to have sex with whom ever they want.

I've asked a few of the ladies that I've gotten comfortable with about this exact issue.  The reason thatthey both gave me was because most all of the black guys pretend to want service, but are actually looking to recruit the girls to work for them. So, basically the no black men statement in their ad is to prevent the whole discussion or sales pitch from the black guy to be her pimp and get her alot more business if the girl works for him...

It just means these ladies do not want to see black men.  Their reasons are none of my business.  Its her pussy, her rules.  I've also seen a lot that say "no men over 60,"  especially from providers in their 20's.  I'm there in a couple of years, but I don't take offense.  Its their choice.  

You see it moreso with low-end, providers, probably because they don't bother screening. (Though middle and higher-end ladies exclude entire classes of people, too.) Their prices and hurdles don't deter ne'er-do-wells from bothering them, so they've found an easy way to filter out a lot of the violent ones, the druggies/drunks, the would-be pimps, etc. Plus, the immature, the time-wasters, and the negotiators. That's the thought process, anyway.

I don't find myself to be attracted to Black men, however, I don't advertise "no black men." Give me Asian, Japanise, Spanish, White, Indian, Armenian, Aarab, Moroccan.... Love them all but I just can't see myself having more than a friendly conversation with a Black guy. Just not my taste.

It's a symptom of white European race culture - which infects all members of that culture.  

But some will never understand and continue to feel some type of way.

- Guys younger than 35 tend to be immature.
- Guys younger than 35 have less disposable income.
- The black community, in general, has a higher STD rate.
- Black guys have a higher risk of becoming violent.
- AA have a higher risk of starting the "I PIMP U" conversation.

He asked why some escorts won't see BLACK GUYS,
not why they won't see HIM.

I've been in this hobby for much longer than what I've disclosed, but I've always noticed an unfortunate pattern amongst young men of African descent:  
1. Some are abrasive/ immature/ lack professionalism in
 tone when calling
2. A lot of younger black men do not like to follow protocol
3. A lot of young black potential clients like to negotiate rates
4. A lot of them ask vulgar questions over the phone
5. Never show up on time/ slow poke/ never show at all
6. With some black clients you never know what is going to walk through your door or what the true intention is. Ive had a black client book an appointment just because he thought I looked like a girl that screwed him over. He only booked so he could punch me in the face. But upon realizing I wasn't her, he apologized/ explained and left. Scary.
7. Some black clients are cheap and don't like to tip  
8. Some feel that because black women are so accessible that we should be lower priced

Well damn.

Smartie. You are on a roll

Their minds have been conditioned by the white man's lies.  

You made me chuckle with that photo!

Most of the time they are bait and switch providers. Many are scared that a black man will beat them and or rob  them for bait and switch. Other reasons they are being run a pimp (usually a black one) who is jealous of black clients. The black pimp is afraid that another black pimp might steal her away.  

This lady knows what she is talking about.   Nuff said.  

I love when a lady of color and elegance takes the time to answer a question such as this, with such grace and poise. Thank you for being such a wonderful representation.

I give providers my race and age when I book. So far so good I have not heard "I don't see black men".  One white provider run out a money because her black provider roommate stole her money. When I booked the white provider she said "I guess so I will see a black man, no one else will see me". She wanted money up front for the hotel room. Everyone else was scared to see her because of room situation. This did help with black and white hobby relations in our region. I have noticed many have taken off "NO AA" off their ads.

So, I literally just finished a conversation with one of my clients about this and he happens to be white. So, I'm just going to put here what I said to him. Now, this is an abbreviated version of our conversation which was awesome to have. I think we all could learn so much from one another if we learned how to actually have civil dialogue discourse versus just discourse. I digress.  

Sheesh!  

...Is not going to fly when prostitution gets legalized.  Once that happens, providers are going to have to follow local, state and federal civil rights laws and supply their services to anyone who can pay the bill and hasn't been legally prohibited from hiring someone to have sex with them.  Unless you think we're going to pass a constitutional amendment just to exclude sex workers from complying with something every other business has to deal with.

You said it's just Smartie, well count me as another one speaking up to prove you wrong on that stupid statement, I think you are a piece of shit too, AND I am a well known asshole.

First, their happy places would have to be deemed "public accommodations." That's conceivable for massage parlors, but highly doubtful there would be the political wherewithal to do it with independent providers.  

Even in my civie life I don't date black men.It's a personal preference of mine.I get bashed all the time by black men because I'm not attracted to them lol.But like I said.Its my body.It's my pussy.I choose who I want to see

Anyone who conducted business or offered to conduct business in a hotel would be using a public accommodation.  Anyone who offered services to residents of other states would be conducting interstate commerce.

Yes another shining example of the bullshit transphobic trash on TER. SMH

Who don't see black clients?

I know some ladies who live to fuck black guys in civvy life but won't do it professionally.

Pay attention to data. White people are more likely to use nearly every drug than any other racial group. So screening based off of drug use would eliminate white people. It's screening of a racist stereotype and that's it.

In my area roughly 2/3 of women in ads state no AA. Just as many black girls as white refuse to see AA men, maybe more..that alone should kill the racism argument.  I've asked several and the answer is always something along the lines of too aggressive and a large percentage that show up are in fact looking to recruit them and take their money. Two told me they had to completely change their online name/identity to avoid over aggressive pimp types intimidating them into working for them that showed up initially posing as clients. I'm sure there are some great aa clients but the percentages that are after something else compared to other races have wrecked it for the legit ones.

Why is black list bad, and white list good?

Which isn't a bad thing, prejudice is an instic that animals have which helps to keep them alive.

Are usually tall and slender, but that's not always the case. I base this on the ones I've witnessed working in the streets.

In relation to the person being prejudice?

I haven't seen a ad that said no Muslim men.

We are all adults here, no one should be offended by anything.

They pay African Americans to sing stupid shit to keep the black race repressed.

Although ET could be a hooker, even a black hooker.

EMS didn't state or even imply he thinks GaG is black.  Read his post again.  Yes, it was a really dumb post.  But yours was dumber. Sheesh!  Are you one of these guys?

for the reason why they do not see aa clients.I call bs especially if you are seeing fat white men or other races you can't say you are attracted to that.What these women will not share is many are pimped and their man is black he tells them you better not see aa clients.I have heard from many many providers mouths through the years.It is not about attraction and all of this other bs people try to come up with to justify why they mention no aa in their ads.
The black women who say that are pimped they will not mention it here but for the people who have been in this game for years know how this works.To the OP I wouldn't see no matter color you are...your shitty ass reviews is enough for me to pass on you not your skin color.

If your answer is any number higher than zero, you are dumber than FatVern.

especially "filet mignon" it's when guys talk about you like "hamburger" that you have a problem. lol

I think she may be a provider or a female and not a hobbyist?

Honestly-  someone may have a prejudiced view of a group that does not apply to an individual.

Why is she hanging around with "pimped" women?

give imbeciles a bad name.  This is a new low even for a moron like you.  

when you work for agency you come across all kind of women.Just repeating what I have heard directly from their mouth.
Not saying that the providers who answered this thread our pimped that is not what I am saying at all.
Majority of the answers here from providers was not that they do not see aa clients.
I do not condone pimping and do not hang out with women who do but when you work for an agency you meet all kind of women from different places.
But the attraction excuse is just that bs I heard it when working with those kind of providers who would say that and then outside their black dude is waiting in the car.

I think he is trying EXTRA hard to run up an insurmountable lead while his fatty brother is on time out so he can finally win that SPOTY trophy he's been coveting since the very first year we held the competition.

Tuna and Ahi?  The answer is . . . . yes, about $200 per hour.  

I know right. Perhaps it should be switched to red light vs. green light.

Not a big loss for me. I mean, it's not like I'm into trannies, or anything like that anyway.

No, I write reviews based on what I encounter. If everything is copacetic, and I don't get no bad surprises, then the girl gets rave reviews. If not, she gets a review that's befitting of what I experienced, but you wouldn't know that because you only seem to be stuck on that one review where I mentioned the brown paper bag. The moment she takes my money, it's her responsibility to keep me happy. If you went and saw a girl based on a review that I'd written, and you encountered something that I failed to mention, you same one would blame me for not mentioning it, so the way I see it, you should be thanking me for my brutal honesty, and quit whining like a little bitch. Who gives a fuck what I said about some dumb hoe? It's not like you can wife her anyways, not after all different kinds of men done ran trains through her. Girls like that are only good to pump and dump.

When I see it in an ad the first thing I think is Pimping. Either they have one, or they don' t want to get caught up with a pimp . Second, the younger AA males are hustlers and they don't have the respect that other males do. They will NCNS, short, haggle, cross boundaries in several different ways.  Not all AA are like this.

Thank you Lady Opium, this is by far the most informative answer I've received on this thread. The men who make it bad for others are very inconsiderate because they have the luxury of going home to their wives afterwards, but for others who are still single, the hobby is their only means by which to get laid.

The guy who fucks young women in third world countries. And claims to hobby in Atlanta.

and the people listing to it aren't ignorant.

If I ever get married again, I will marry a sex worker.  I find professional women MORE desirable than the run-of-the-mill girls next door.

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Wow. You got to talk shit about everyone you see?

People here are so quick to cry racism, but it's not that. There wouldn't be so much smoke if there wasn't any fire. I'll be real since others are afraid to be. They are simply taking precaution due to black men having a history of being more likely to get violent or be cheap. I hate saying that, but if there wasn't truth to it, it wouldn't be a thing. I'm sorry, that's just how it is. These providers probably have black friends or even date black guys and are fine with them. But obviously enough providers have shared bad stories or seen common complaints to where it became a common thing.  

Segregating women into groups of sex workers and non sex workers.

As long as it stays illegal.  

For the record, most of Latin America is "pimp free" as prostitution is legal while pimping is not. Since the chicas don't have to worry about getting arrested for going to the cops about pimps, pimping is almost non existent in places like Costa Rica.

and you think you never got your dick wet by a woman who was pimped or has a pimp, sounds down right naive and ignorant.

...but were very interested in what race I was. One refused to continue the vetting process until she was convinced that I wasn't a latina. I suspect that there was some kind of issue in her past. I decided not to see her after all since I wasn't getting a good vibe at all from her.

Providers who work in legal brothels still get to refuse service...no matter what the reason.

The term "pimp" can cover any number of situations...from the stereotypical black pimp to an agency owner to a husband or boyfriend living off their SO's wages and using manipulation to keep them working in this profession.  Though I find it somewhat unlikely that a provider who is posting on here is being pimped we can't really assume that with 100% certainty.  I know of a few women who kept it pretty well hidden...even the ones with the stereotypical pimps.  There was an agency owner a while back in the Carolinas who was very pimp like and would post under provider's names.

It surprised me honestly.  For so long I thought it was just a "preference".  I see black clients and I've personally never had any issues with them...They typically smell good, are respectful and are very sensual in the bedroom.  My best regular is a black client and one of my most generous regulars is a black client.  Perhaps it's the area I live in but there are plenty of white collar black professionals and I shake my head at the ladies who don't see them because they are missing out.  Bad clients come in all races and screening will weed most of them out.

but they always tip their hand and are summarily ridiculed and run off the boards, but I am talking about "several" out of several hundred thousand TER members, to be honest about it, they are a statistical irrelevancy here.

exactly!

I am also a "minority" but I don't feel my actions reflect on my entire race, but OTOH I am not whining about racism when it's my own bad behavior that is causing problems both for myself and others of my race like the OP.

My response was to ET, who was segregating women into those 2 groups and referring to the sex workers as "worthless hoes."  Learn some reading comprehension before you respond to posts.

I was paraphrasing you I guess ..but I think we can both agree that it's best for a member of any oppressed and/or misunderstood group (including sex workers and their clients) to be on their best behavior.

Starting with your last point, just about everybody here already despised the OP long before we knew the color of his skin.  

Truth is you probably don't give a fuck about them hoes anymore than I do, you just mad that someone actually found a good deal after you done spent all that money. Well if you want to be a SIMP and continue spending all your retirement pension trying to make it rain on them hoes, be my guest, but as far as I'm concerned, ain't no pussy that's worth $500, I don't care if she swallows. I hear that they got $20 pussy down in Tijuana, if you think I'm cheap now, just you wait till I hit up that scene.

By all means, don't stop on my account if being a blue pill SIMP makes you happy, but don't get surprised when you find out that's she's continuing to step out on you even after y'all get married. Once a whore, always a whore! Oh, and if that wasn't enough then you clearly weren't thinking along the lines of microchimerism. And if you don't know what microchimerism is, let me take your ass to school with a real world example; when y'all start having kids, she will pass on the DNA that she absorbed from all of her ex-lovers, let alone the DNA she absorbed from all of her clients, which is estimated to be somewhere in the thousands. Not to mention the fact that her inner walls are going to be loose and all worn out by the time you get your turn, and the greatest irony of it all is that she's probably gonna make you wait for it after she was an easy lay for everybody else. Still think it's a good idea to marry an escort you fool? Talk about trouble in paradise, lol!

Why would I expect her to stop working if I married her?  As for kids, I have an adopted daughter, and that's all I need.  I'm not bringing anyone into this piss-poor excuse for a world, so you don't need to worry about microchimerism  or DNA.

Dicks are usually too big, they try to negotiate the rate, or immaturity.

Except that as a white man I'd be a POS from the sunroof of my Bentley while puffing on a cigar, lol!

I've seen them once or twice. Much much less than no AA. Even in a fairly tolerant place like Cali.

It seems to me that either the provider is at least a little racist and doesn't care to screen someone thoroughly, or they're afraid of giant dicks.

I started working as a sex surrogate. I've been a sensual massage therapist for 12 years. I have never had a bad black client. Screening, intuition and price point are contributing factors but I have had 3 TRO'S against clients, all regulars and all white guys. By the more violent logic, I would ban white guys (and subsequently go out of business).  

I do not see a lot of black men. I have about 5 that I used to see regularly. Out of the 5 I am only seeing one. Why? The other four decided to try to have me lower my rates. One wanted to give me $60 for oral sex on him and me, swallowing and anal. Yeah. The other asked if I could give him a special rate for two hours. The other two also did the how much would it be for this and that. I got tired of them and do not entertain their bargaining questions. If they think that I am not worth it don't fucking see me. Don't even fucking email me! No provider wants to hear well can you give me a discount or if I only want this how much less would it be, fuck that! They wanted lower rates but wanted me to provide all of the services that I normally would so I am only down to one black guy. Will it make me turn black guys in the future? Probably not but I would be wary.  

I've known a number of escorts in my time, and many of them very well. I knew an escort we'll call V, back in my Seattle days...

There are a plethora of reasons why providers don't see blk men.  Is it personal preference, bet your ass it is, if your personal preference is being racist as fuck.  I just had a session with a wonderful provider and we had this discussion, her words "to me it's silly because I've been stiffed and haggled by more white clients than I have blk men."  On one side of the coin you can't really blame someone for believing what has been taught to them by American societal standards, on the other side of the coin you can fault them for not being educated enough to do their own research.  In a nutshell, bigotry will always exist, and if they don't want to see me because I am black then fuck em, I move on to the next.  In all actuality I prefer to know upfront so as not to waste my time.

that one of her clients loved to watch women have sex with all types of animals. Dogs, horses, goats, etc but one time she put in a black man with a white woman and the client jumped up and shouted "turn off this shit"!!! lol. Yeah just when you thought you have heard everything......

Who cares move on!  It is her body not yours it is her right to do with it what she chooses and  
with whom capiche!  How would you like others telling you who you should share your body with ?

Everyone has their preferences and just because someone does not want to fuck black men for money does not mean they are racist.  

If there was any doubt before, there is none now.....

You are right it is your choice but at the same time.
Just stop with the bullshit that mainly black guys are violent or commit a crime against you!

Some ladies choose to keep these stereotypes going too.
So should white clients pay for the past sins of white pimps or the mob?
They choose to focus in on certain stereotypes and people.

Yeah that sounds about right. I think past experiences play a role also.  I used to feel a certain way about black men because I noticed was only harassed on the street by black men and sometimes hispanic. White men barely looked at me and very rarely catcalled me or gave me trouble. I'm mixed (French - Puerto Rican) but I look black and that could be why I got much more attention from those groups.

When you're traveling, and in town for a few days, it's very hard to do more than a cursory screening. TER doesn't let me name services on here usually, so I'll just say that I get most of my clients (95%) from one site that has no screening. Plus, in the tgirl world, there are very few references, because most clients don't admit to fucking the tgirl. But to be fair...the issue isn't really even screening. Everybody gets the same treatment - it's which ones that I misjudge that is the question.

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I'm a brother also and over the years, I've had a few lady friends say they've been robbed and it's always a young Black guy doing the robbing.   I know quite a few black escorts that will not see young black guys and I don't blame them.  Older black guys are no more violent than any other group but when it comes to the young boys the percentages dramatically increases for both to happen.

Providers can refuse service to anyone they choose and do not need excuses to do so.
They do have a choice in who they choose to share their body with and they don't owe anyone
an explanation for doing so.  Nobody tells you who you can share your ass with do they ?
Yet you clowns call them racist and think she has no right to choose who she shares her body with.

Also I love how some people hide behind, she was black too.
It's a stereotypical​ attitude about a small number of assholes.

It sad to say but the hard fact is that STD rate among African Americans are far higher than for whites.
https://www.cdc.gov/std/stats15/minorities.htm
http://www.bet.com/news/health/2014/01/10/study-stds-up-among-young-african-americans.html

Just to answer your question on discrepancy in poorer health coverage.
The answer for many people is yes and not just with black people!

It's a moot point when you consider that most if not all providers uses a condom when dealing with their clients anyway. You're gonna have to come better than that!

A condom will not protect you from infection 100% of the time.

I am glad that this question is only showing up ever blue moon these days on ter. There are many reasons why providers, no matter the race, don't see black guys and if you are a black male then you just need to search out providers who do. There is no need to over think this and worry about providers who don't see black men. The reality is that there will always be providers who don't see black men and also there will be always be providers who will see black men. Have fun, enjoy yourself, and don't worry about those providers who will not see you because of your race. Even though race is a human made concept, I don't hide the fact that I am black male when contacting a provider. To be honest I think there are more providers out there that would not see because of my particular fetish that I am into, rather than me being a black male.

It's commendable that you don't let it bother you, but I still feel screening out black men is either racist or lazy. There are plenty of ways to screen for safe clients which don't involve racism

I literally busted out laughing. Ancient Chinese wisdom. Gotta love it.

Every nonsense excuse I see for "no black men" is something that can be addressed through other forms of screening. Provider references, employment screening, etc.

Well considering most of your reviews are of $50 per hour back page skanks I guess that is the most correct answer.......they can't afford it or they won't pay the price.

Seriously??? You really don't know? Having been doing this hobby for near 20 years and befriended numerous black (and white) women the answer is simple: too many (mostly young) black men are rude, thieves, thugs or pimps. It's dangerous. End of story. It has nothing to do with unfounded racist. As pointed out, many black escorts won't see black men and dam careful if they do. A shame of course as bad reflection on the perfectly fine black guy. I think most would be fine with older black guys but then they'd have to get guy to prove his age,  and that's tough to do.

I once saw a provider who had that stipulation. No black men under 35. She told me it was because they were in general a little "bigger" than the other guys and the young ones had more stamina and recovered faster. With a one hour appointment, 59 minutes was hard fucking with a big cock  and she was in pain.

Exactly!!!!

We're not the only ones with big cocks, but yet I don't see you screening out the other races of men who also have big cocks. One petite provider who must have stood no taller than 5.2" once told me that she actually prefers black men because we're neither too big, nor too small, we're just the right size for her comfort. Nice try, but keep trying!

I just think that too many ladies have heard that black men give you too much trouble in whatever way they don't like. So rather than risk seeing for themselves, they do away with seeing black men entirely.
I personally have no issues with any race. As long as you have good hygiene and are a gentleman, we will get along fine.

I've been on and off TER for many years and I swear this comes up every 6 weeks.

I have met two women who have had no black men and neither were racist It didn't say so on their site, but they had told me they don't).  In fact, as a man of ethnicity I was a bit hesitant.

I've seen that a lot here and there sporadic and then there's a lot that don't mind at all that would prefer that I find that oriental women love black man but don't want oriental man doesn't make them races just obviously they don't have a desire for that please some in like that they even think that in their desire .   I wouldn't let it turn you on I would just find one that desires a black man if that's what you're looking for is comfortability that's what you want anyway Lotta girls love some don't pretty simple .

I have to agree with Smartie................I read the reviews.............. Back Page ...........Only took enough cash. Hmm... what if you had wanted to go over??? She held your place???? Gosh........Seems like you are not on the up and up gentleman that I would like to meet Black or White..............Nuff said. Kelley White

judging by the fact that you're well past your prime. But by all means, keep kidding yourself...............Nuff Said!

But glancing though, and what I was told, for some reason the stigma that all black guys are hung is just that. Some that  I know admit it.

Not two days ago i was having exactly this convo with two girls i had a doubles session with. One of their ads said "NBA" and i didnt know what that meant, but i saw it a lot in ads. She told me it means she doesn't see black guys. The other girl didn't know that that girl was NBA and it kicked off a really interesting debate between the two of them.