And sure, I still have my gems and thank god for them. Several, I'm still grandfathered in at rates from years ago, but recently lost some because I can't justify the hike and I'm apparently a cheap bastard.
Everyone has practically doubled their rates as of late. I find myself hitting up older providers and they ask for twice as much. I try to kindly let them know that they are officially out of my budget, not trying to haggle, not trying to waste anyone's time. I know the economy is in a different place, and people have bills to pay, but goddamn this sucks. And I'm the asshole because I can no longer afford a service. Is it out of control? Is it just me? Are people willing to pay and driving up prices? GPS? Even lower level providers are asking for donations at above higher rates because they're going with the trend. "Well if this chick is asking for this much, then I should be asking for more as well."
Feel free to give me shit or join in my misery. I just want to know if people are feeling the same way as me. Will we ever get back to where we were, or is it only going to get worse?
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Because I don’t see providers who’ve doubled their rates as of late. I see providers who charge a fair rate for exceptional service and professionalism.
Everyone has practically doubled their rates as of late. … I just want to know if people are feeling the same way as me.
Unfortunately our industry is still illegal. The only real way rates are going to go down is if adult consensual sex work is decriminalized. This would (in theory!!) open up a larger pool of providers that would enter the industry that would in turn because of increased competition reduce rates. Unemployment rates are relatively low and steady as of late so unless something major happens in the near future I don't think much will change. I personally have not raised my raises but as we all know every provider is different and their own small business owner so how they choose to run their business is of course up to them.
Anyway, that's not going to happen. And prices have spiked since Covid for no good reason. Simply because some women raised their rates, got away with it, so others followed suit. The only thing guys can do is refuse to pay and only see girls whose rates are lower.
By "got away with it" I assume you meant that she chose to charge a rate that she felt was conducive to her health and well being, as well as the emotional taxation associated with those that allowed her to provide the services that you so readily avail yourself of while then complaining about the costs associated with them. While your car may not complain when you take it for a ride whenever want, you still fill it up at the cost listed, and protect it with insurance without batting eye or blogging about it. That's not even considering what should be considered hazard pay/high risk insurance simply based on the services provided and the dangers inherent in them.
It's Thanksgiving however, so I'm assuming this was just you venting about a particular situation and frustration you had and not a general slap in the face of those that provide a service to you for the purpose of providing for themselves and their loved ones much as you do.
You seem to have read (over-read?) an awful lot into five words. Just a thought, but I think you'd be happier if you avoided that. Also, not that it matters much but did you notice the post of mine to which you replied is four months old, How did you even stumble upon it? Oh, well...
Thats the math we just don't know. It's the ratio that would matter, I would think, re: the number of new women vs the number of new clients entering due to decrim, that could potentially determine price. It's an interesting thought experiment.
There is no way in hell prices would fall if the sex work is decriminalized.
The providers would be taxed a whole lot more than they are now (checks notes) at 0.0% tax for all the tricks
Once they are federally and state taxed, many would stand to lose around a third of their annual income. And I'm quite sure that providers don't like getting less money for same work they have done for years.
Increased competition reduces rates only in competitive markets. Sex work market isn't a competitive market. It's a collusion-driven market. And collusion is on raising prices.
Typically collusion is formed to undercut competition and drive them out of business because customers pay cheapest price for same good, but sex worker market collusion is the opposite. Demand is fairly inelastic and many sws raise prices in unison without seeing much fall in demand. This doesn't change with entrance of many other escorts because those escorts won't price undercut the established ones.
In theory if every client refuse to pay the price increase then providers would have to lower rates. This is like going to a popular sporting event and hotels taking advantage of customers.
I recall a bunch of girls in Jaco, CR, banded together to raise their hourly rate from $100 to $120. Several of us refused to pay that and only saw girls who remained at the lower rate. This went on for a month or two. But ultimately the higher rate held.
The price is the least-important aspect of my participation in P4P. The challenge for me has always been trying to arrange to see the more popular girls at a time when they are not already booked that also fits with my own schedule on 3-4 days' notice. During these periodic "strikes," there are a few weeks before they peter out when scheduling is light for the hard-to-book ladies, so its open season for me to see whoever I want when I want. I look forward to strikes to be able to catch up seeing the ladies I hadn't had much success in booking before the strike. I encourage all mongers who whine about price increases to keep organizing strikes whenever the mood strikes them. (Does that sound shallow of me? Lol)
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I started referring to the group of chicas who raised their prices as "The Jaco Hookers Union." Wu and I refused to see them. For an entire two weeks. LOL.
less like making a statement and more like giving your dicks a rest after what you had been doing for the two weeks BEFORE the strike. Lol
I said we took a two-week break from fucking any of the chicas who raised their prices. So we just fucked other chicas. No dicks were rested.
I look at the same way and took advantage of the November '23 strike for some easy booking!
the rate inflation game. Sure, some rates are overinflated - steer clear of them and go for those whose price aligns with your budget. I see quality, wonderful women in my price range.
As an example, per Tryst, there are 1,632 providers in New York City. When I filter on price, I find 696 at or under $500. I can choose happily from 700 gals!
No sense resenting the high-priced gals.
It's more providers that I used to see and have developed a report, who now think I'm some haggling POS because their price point is now out of my range.
Perhaps you had not developed the level or repport you thought was the case. You certainly should be able to say the rate is more than you can pay without much issue. But it sounded to me like you were saying you reached back out to ones you had not been seeing for a while, only to learn their rates were now higher. That might be a different situation for the discussion.
In any case, in general these relationships are "no strings" so you don't expect things to last forever. Or necessarily even be told when it's over - you just never see them again. So let it go. Not worth loosing much sleep over. Just time to start your searches again as suggested. Not all the prices are what you say -- unless you somehow were blessed with awesome providers that you were seeing for 150 or something like that. Pleanty of great ladies out there under 500, and even under 400.
As you gain experience and a reputation you get more money because people recognize you have more skills and experience. There is much less risk. I'll gladly work for most companies I used to work for, but they would have to pay me my updated rate.
Regardless, it still boils down to supply vs. demand. Although you may now be more skilled and experienced than you were x years ago, if there is a plethora of comparably skilled and experienced job candidates in your industry, who would be willing to accept the same rate of compensation, then you don't really have a bargaining advantage.
So, if we're talking about supply and demand it seems that demand is outpacing supply. Seems like they have that bargaining advantage.
Because they probably thought you were a POS then. And now that you’re haggling with them now, you’re now more of a POS to them.
Move on, stay in your lane and get over it.
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As Jensen pointed out earlier, politely saying "that is out of my price range" usually ends the conversation in a friendly manner. A few times they may be willing to work with you. Also, some providers will grandfather in rates for their good clients. Our guy isn't the kind of client he thinks he is.
In his reviews. And now he's amazed that how dare they rise their rates....ON ME!
a Mercedes dealership and find the prices have moved out of your reach, what do you do? You shop for a car at the next lower price point that is still within your budget, right? What you are really looking for is reliable transportation, so anything more that causes the price to be higher is just an ego trip for the buyer. It's the same with pussy. I have never met a girl at $500 per hour that couldn't give me all of the same services as a girl at $1000, but I will often fall somewhere in between based on their appearance. Similarly to cars, providers all basically have the same equipment (TS's excepted), so the price range for getting all of the basic GFE services, i.e., DFK, BBBJ, DATY and CFS, is wide enough to have something for everyone.
Remember the words of Warren Buffet: Price is what you pay, but value is what you get. If you don't feel like you got commensurate value for what you paid, then you paid too much. It makes sense that if what you were paying for something is substantially more than what you WERE paying for the same thing, you may not see the added in value, in which case, you should shop at a lower level to find a price/value point that you are okay with.
And the law of diminishing returns says you most likely won't get twice the enjoyment in paying $1,000 for something as compared to paying $500 for something similar.
seeing Kgirls, but value is one of the reasons. I can get two hours with a Kgirl for $700 at today's rates, and I see that as extra value for the price. I can do a lot more in two hours than one (although not as much as I could when I was younger - Lol), and the refraction down-time allows for a little conversation and building a connection with regulars between pops.
Wow. That was a sane and not jerky piece of advice. Good for you.
A broken clock does tell the correct time twice a day.....
I'll take your word for it.
I do have a natural propensity towards sarcasm, but I'm only consciously "jerky" with those low-information posters who speculate and often post bullshit as fact. Whether they are providers or customers, I treat everyone the same. It's the 21st century. With that said, my goal here is to post correct information, provide some humorous relief and stimulate conversation on controversial topics. Many people get confused on individual posts as to which of these three categories a post of mine falls into. I know you get me because we go way, way, way back on this board, and I consider you one of the classy ladies here who should post more than you do.
And sure, I still have my gems and thank god for them. Several, I'm still grandfathered in at rates from years ago, but recently lost some because I can't justify the hike and I'm apparently a cheap bastard.
I agree most ladies have increased there rates by a great amount. You might want to try an AMP. The Asian parlors have a much better price point. Just do your homework to find a good place near you. Good luck!
Rates have not doubled in my experience but many women have increased by 30-40% which is still significant. Not sure where you live but even in the Philly area, there are a number of agencies and quasi agencies that charge in the $400 range where pricing may have gone up by only $50-$100 over the last 10 years or so for attractive, skilled women.
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I am not going to berate you bc complaining about rates is human although futile. Rates will not go back down. I have never witnessed that. They may stay stagnant for while, as that I have noticed over the last year or so, but I would not expect rate decreases, except for a woman here or there that may be struggling.
"I try to kindly let them know that they are officially out of my budget, not trying to haggle, not trying to waste anyone's time."
What the fuck is the point of "kindly letting them know they are officially out of your budget"? Would you walk into Louis Vuitton, look at a bag and tell the salesperson that too, "kindly"? No, because you know it's a high priced store, just like providers have their rates on their sites or here on TER. You act like it's a surprise!
Look at their rates BEFORE emailing them. That's time wasting, dude - no matter how "kind" you think you are being.
Not all the ladies post their pricing, so you don't always know until you contact them.
It gradually went up, but rather quickly. With each person who tested $100 more and clients bit, it gradually went up. It seems to have somewhat leveled out where $700-$800 seems the standard, though this fluctuates based on where you live. I’m in LA so the market is higher, so much so that there are a lot more at $800 than $700.
You have kgirls in the $300 range, and a small set of non kgirls in the $500-$600 range, but pickings are definitely slimmer.
It didn’t help that all this happened when COVID relief checks were being cut. And let’s be honest, they did a piss poor job of determining who really needed it. I got multiple checks and didn’t need it. Not only this, but a lot of people had their expenses go down. No driving to work, meant less to spend on gas and car repairs. No eating out, meant less spent on food. It adds up. So what did people do? They blew this extra money they didn’t really need. And this includes on escorts, though this was likely more so at the tail end. In the midst of it people were reluctant to see an escort, and escorts were reluctant to see clients.
But things never leveled down. Very rarely do you see an escort lower her price. So, as long as clients are paying these higher fees, and obviously enough must be, escorts have no reason not to charge them.
Several of the providers I see charge 100hh to 160hh. One of them told me that providers to much. Some I have paid price increases where her rate went from 200h to 250h.
Sometimes providers don't put ads on the all the sites and don't want to go thru verification and expenses for the sites where they can charge higher rates.
Short termer here and only occasionally partake in the hobby so I, admittedly, have a limited frame of reference as it pertains to what may have been previously idyllic times. My experience is that the far majority of these women are selling their time at reasonable rates. Just consider this; most of you (us) would have ZERO chance of being with sexy, younger, experienced and willing women like this in the real world. You pay for time with them, whatever that entails, and are on your way, usually with a smile on your face. Rarely do they get a chance to decide against selling their time regardless of who may be purchasing it. Look around you..... how many do you see who you would want to sell your time to in order to pay your bills? Yeah, that's what I thought! It is truly ridiculous to complain about rates when the majority of us are not in the 1% of desirables. If you cannot afford the time, find a new hobby.
We all understand why providers charge a premium for their services. That isn't the point. Since you are new and have nothing to compare it to, you will not be as affected by the price hikes bc this is the only norm you know of. For people who have been doing this at least 3-4 years, there has been a staggering change to this lifestyle with many things, most notably prices, but not just prices.
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Women get to set any rate they wish and we get to accept that or move on to someone else we can afford. That is a given. But complaining on a public forum like this is only human. Now, if the same person is complaining over and over and over about it...THAT would be a different story.
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Here's the thing. Women sometimes complain on twitter, and on the boards, about things guys say or do. Men can do the same thing here and in private. Sometimes people feel comforted knowing others are in the same predicament. It's just a coping mechanism, is all. I don't have an issue with it, again, as long as it isn't incessant from the same voice.
Have you seen your own income go up in the last few years?
Have your investments kept pace with the market?
If yes, then you should have the additional resources to pay the higher rates.
Alternatively, most of the biggest rate increases have gone to the youngest or slimmest girls. If your budget hadn't gone up, then you have to look for older and heavier girls who have not raised rates as much (from what I've seen).
Ok so my $250 kgirls went to $350! That’s tolerable! My $400-600 midrange dates went to $500-800! That’s brutal! However. My $400-600 superstars are now $800-1200. That’s impossible ( for me anyway!)
Now the challenge is to find that new beauty with exceptional service for $600 or less! That’s the fun of it, right?!
is always rewarding. You get to see her over and over until she decides to raise her rates. However, loyalty is a two-way street, many ladies who have a high level of integrity will reward your loyalty by grandfathering you in at the same rate when it goes up for others.
I've seen the prices rise gradually. But, not outrageously so in my area. Maybe about 20% over the last 3 years (post-covid).
Some providers place a value on themselves that are high. Good for them! If they can get it so be it. Others work the edges between the affordable lines for consistency I bet. But overall this hobby is for those of us who can afford it. Cash is king and if you want something you pay the price for admission. Stop blaming the ladies and blame your broke ass for not having more cash to spend. On the bright side this is way cheaper than dating and you get to taste the rainbow whereas our ugly asses wouldn't get the time of day with these beautiful providers otherwise! Just my .02 cents. Wait....I better save all I can for my next appointment!
I think the Federal Reserve printing up so much money has made a difference. A $1 million house used to be a mansion and now it is nothing special in a lot of places.
There are other reasons why the cost of housing real estate is going up and up.
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http://www.banking.senate.gov/newsroom/majority/brown-colleagues-introduce-bill-crack-down-big-corporate-investors-buy-up-local-homes-drive-housing-prices
"Brown, Colleagues Introduce Bill to Crack Down on Big Corporate Investors that Buy Up Local Homes, Drive Up Housing Prices. Legislation Would Restrict Tax Breaks for Private Equity Firms and Other Large Outside Investors that Buy Up Thousands of Homes in Local Communities."
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"WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senator Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Chair of the Senate Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs Committee, along with Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR), Chair of the Senate Finance Committee, and Senators Tina Smith (D-MN), Jeff Merkley (D-OR), Jack Reed (D-RI), John Fetterman (D-PA), Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) and Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) introduced a new bill to restrict tax breaks for big corporate investors that buy up homes, often driving up local housing prices and rents. ..."
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http://jacobin.com/2024/05/single-family-homes-rentals-wall-street
Wall Street Is Buying Up Entire Neighborhoods
"Policymakers in states across the country are finally pushing back on Wall Street firms buying up swathes of single-family homes to rent out at high prices. ..."
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http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/wall-street-spent-billions-buying-homes-a-crackdown-is-looming
"Wall Street has spent billions buying homes. A crackdown is looming."
"Apr 29, 2024 — Lawmakers say investors that scooped up hundreds of thousands of houses to rent out are driving up home prices. ..."
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If there is interest to discuss the problem at a more political level, it should probably be taken to the P&R Board.
I think the Federal Reserve printing up so much money has made a difference. A $1 million house used to be a mansion and now it is nothing special in a lot of places.
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Everything has doubled, milk doesn’t cost the same as 10 years ago so why should we keep our rates at what it used to be years ago? It’s just common sense!
I offer sweet incentives & no one takes advantage of my generosity. I’ve been around for a long time. It’s disappointing that I post specials, and no one books, but I get FMTY bookings. I’m sorry you’re not able to play.
You look good in your pictures. But when you post smile for me and you come off as a dom it really limits interest.
I offer sweet incentives & no one takes advantage of my generosity. I’ve been around for a long time. It’s disappointing that I post specials, and no one books, but I get FMTY bookings. I’m sorry you’re not able to play.
Rates are all over the place and they certainly have increased substantially over my 25+ years in the hobby. As a CPA advising small business owners over the years my first bit of advice is "Don't be afraid to charge for your services". And apparently these women are getting it. Congrats to them!! I have trouble going over 500 per hour so I have found my choices are not what they used to be.
Yes, and I refuse to send deposits so that further limits my choices. Sugar babies seem a better choice these days.
Feel free to give me shit or join in my misery. I just want to know if people are feeling the same way as me. Will we ever get back to where we were, or is it only going to get worse?
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Unless the girl is 18-20, I am reluctant to pay a high rate.
And you don't even need to go that far. Most of Central America has legal prostitution, as does Mexico. Canada is very lax on the activity as long as it's consentual and not overly in the open.
And you don't even need to go that far. Most of Central America has legal prostitution, as does Mexico. Canada is very lax on the activity as long as it's consentual and not overly in the open.
If a majority, a significant majority, of men everywhere in the USA simply decided for the remaining upcoming 4 months of 2024 (September-December), to NOT frequent or engage with providers....what do you think would happen to the prices being charged? If somehow you could organize men everywhere to find it in themselves to exercise just a little self control and avoid using providers for this time, the prices would drop.
Seriously, the insatiable demand for this service of sexual intimacy and sexual acts by transaction is the real reason the prices keep rising....coupled with the continued "illegal/illicit" nature of providers' activities and sex work in general.
Supply & Demand is one of the simplest, most incontrovertible laws in existence!
Due to testosterone hormone in men. Guys will get 2nd jobs, use military retirement funds (will working a job), retirement funds, trade stocks, gamble, inheritance funds, home equity loans ask guys for money , etc to fund the hobby.
Some have 2 to 3 more sources of funds they can fund the hobby on a regular basis. So much so that they can't spend from all the sources in a month, due too much is not good. I have a 3 day rule to prevent that from happening. I violated it and boy I was tired by the end of July (I have a so at home), lol. So what do they do spend more money on a higher end escort.
And lets not forget some guys are down right rich because the position they have in a business or in corporation or from investing throughout their lives.
it won't happen but it COULD, because simply put, no guy NEEDS to pay providers for sex. Testosterone is NOT an irresistible compelling force..... you could CHOOSE to not see a provider, and (if needed) just jerk off. Paying 500-1000 bucks for an hour with a provider to have HER essentially jerk you off with her body parts is a artificial need/appetite that has been slowly developed over the past 30 years since the mid-90s when online transactions started to become what we see today, and the internet allowed the sex industry to flourish like never before. The fact that the price for these 1 hour jerk off sessions keeps going up & up & up is simply because too many men now have this hardwired into their brains as something "they cannot do without". Any guy with a wife who does this with any frequency is crazy to take such risk, not too mention a cheating bastard, unless you really truly do have your wife's permission. That's just my opinion btw, and I know what many will say to THAT....but I do not care. That's how I sleep at night.
Prostitution has been around forever, but never before have so many women been able to command the money that so many now do; When I was 35, in 2002 up thru 2006, I was working 65-70...sometimes as high as 90 hours a week all over the west coast, and making a lot of money. Between work and the time I had to spend flying city to city basically every week, I had ZERO time for any real social life, so once a month, sometimes twice, when I had a rare Friday night off I would call one of the escort agencies operating in Los Angeles or San Francisco and I would "request" a companion. Back then average escorts were around 200 per hour but the higher caliber women commanded 400-500 per "hour" (it was a loose hour back then meaning she would stay for 75-90 minutes with regular, favorite clients for the price of an hour, since she knew you'd be calling her again, and the not having to worry about who you were made it acceptable for her to give a little extra time.) There were also "by the night" women who charged 2000 to 3000 for a full night (basically 10pm until 6-7am)....nowadays, very few regular providers will do overnights for 3000...its usually 4500 or much higher now for today's "elite" providers.
Going back even further...in 1995 there were still "elite" women available for the previous lofty threshold of 1000-2000 per NIGHT! Anyone remember the time of the "1000 a night call girl"? (Archie & Edith sing) "Those.... were.... the.... dayyyyyys!!!"
Some of us won't pay those rates. I have been in the hobby since dec 1999. Never paid more than 400/hr. This past month I spent 1100. I had 1 appointment for 320, 3 for 160, and 3 for 100. 8 pops for a pop value ratio of 137.5 per pop. The appointments where that were 160 and above were GFE.
What's your sperm count? let's see if we can break this down to the price per individual, "one way tadpole"....
Here's the thing....by you actually expressing things in a per pop manner really emphasizes the futility of paying ANY woman for sex. You MUST be buying something else besides sex...and no it isn't for her to leave like your charlie sheen. WHat are you buying, even at your bargain base rates? You aren't buying a "pop".....you can do that yourself!!
You need to ask yourself this: WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE between the "pop" I can give myself via jerking off ...and the "pop" I experience when I am with a woman (regardless of what you paid her.)
Whatever that DIFFERENCE is.......THAT's what you are actually buying when you pay for sex. Understand?
If the high prices are a concern then go on strike, then stay home and jerk off. Save that money for a nice gift for yourself. Let's see how much you can save up in a year to get that new big screen TV or set of premium wheels for your ride! Take a cruise or go on an extended vacation to a tropical location outside the USA where the ladies are much less expensive and extremely good looking.
But I'm pretty sure it was the most expensive sex I've ever had.
Nicky, in case you didn't know, marriage is the number one cause of divorce in America (and probably the rest of the world). Just a fun fact to keep in mind next time you meet one who feels like a keeper.
Marriage is also the leading cause of BJ deficiency among American males.
of a significant reduction in BJ's compared to when you were just dating.
If a lady is able to increase her rate and do X amount of business she's looking for then good for her. I don't mind when quality ladies increase rates. Less men for me to compete with for scheduling. While it's not ideal for anyone when prices go up, it is what it is these days.
If a lady is getting 10-15 real requests a day why would she not increase her rate so she gets 5-6 real requests a day? Less men same profit.
I understand your frustration but we are frustrated as well. Travel gas prices and hotel arrangements prices at an all time high. When the economy rises every thing does. Everyone is trying to survive this inflation year it’s not our fault. It’s not on purpose. Do not take it personal. Maybe you should find someone that you feel comfortable with giving them that little extra incentive.
Raising rates due to expenses makes complete sense. And, the cost of many things have gone up. It would be nice if companies were keeping up in how much they pay their employees as well. But most are not.
Where I work, for example, has increased the pay for those at the bottom because they had to for 1 of 2 reasons. One is because the state or city (government) forced their hand by raising minimum wages. The other is for those in unions, the union aggressively negotiated the raises during a contract year. Then, this compressed some of the other lower paying positions and they needed market adjustments. But for anyone not at the bottom, the company continued to give 3-4% raises each year.
So who's fault is this? It's typical big businesses not increasing employee pay to meet the demands of inflation. I can more easily handle a 25% - 50% increase for an escort if my pay is increasing that much. I need my bosses to know they are getting in the way of my fuck hobby!
I was on a business call the other day and my boss casually mentioned the 60 foot boat he just bought. To go along with his horse farm and multiple houses. I try not to be envious, but I did think about all the additional duo experiences I could buy for the cost of just one of his horses.
about becoming a horse thief? Not judging, and BTW, they don't hang you for that anymore. Lol
as much as where an employee fits regionally for the job they are doing. If everyone is getting paid in the 90th percentile of their state for the specific job they are doing, they have nothing to complain about and would be stupid to bolt and go somewhere else where they would most likely have to start lower. I haven't had an opening among the 63 employees in my business in 6 years. That was the last time someone quit and had to be replaced. Raises are mostly annually and occasionally on merit, but no one has asked for a raise in the past 15 years. (I also give one month's pay as a Christmas bonus to all employees.)
90th percentile? You pay your employees that well? Must be nice to work for you.
it costs me more in lost business while a new employee learns the job inside and out than just paying the ones I have a high enough wage that they never want to leave. To them, there is no place where the grass is greener for the skills they have and need for my particular industry. To elaborate, the last one I mentioned above that left 6 years ago only left because his wife made more than he did (because she had more education) and her company gave her a promotion that required her to relocation to another state, and she was not going to take it unless he went with her. Otherwise, I have no doubt that he would still be with me.
I think it's a 2.5x factor to hire a new person. It also depends on what YOUR customer is willing to pay YOU. There are many factors to why employees leave, money is only one.
that sounds about right in my case, but the revenue losses during their learning curve are on top of that. I've had new guys blow million-dollar deals that could not be salvaged by a more experienced employee due to the damage done by the new guy, but how else will they learn?
What's wrong with this picture?
gradually increased throughout the years and I think they are completely fair. I did start offering FBSM with lower rates obviously than GFE and even made some spa packages for shorter sessions with a haircut so that folks on a budget or time constraint still have access to. The cost of living seems to have doubled unfortunately and the experiences we provide have to also be priced accordingly.
Hmm....what's the best way to perceive a 15% price increase seem like a 40% decrease? Find ways to earn higher, and NOT by extra hours at work...by provide higher value in whatever your service or profession. Numbers are relative....not good, nor bad--its only our thinking that makes it so. The problem is a majority of people are NOT receiving their value in their current organization---so leaving to go to a place with more respect, higher opportunity....the truth is life has Zero Limits. Stay curious, friends 
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Although others raise their rates.........I try to keep my rates fairly cheap.
It’s too easy to make money with only fans.
That’s my take.
So who are in Only Fans are now becoming providers because Only fans business is way down.
I do & it’s not crazy easy to make money. You have to work hard by constantly creating content. Yes you can make money remotely & supplement your income, but you have to invest time, and money.
@dprn_xken For a young girl (18-20), I can see a high rate being justified. Seeing ladies in the 40s or even 50s range (God forbid even 60s) charging exorbitant rates is mind boggling. Would you pay more for a beat up 20 year old Toyota Corolla or a brand new Tesla?
I like young and fresh girls who haven't worked too long in the biz.
For most I wouldn’t expect the concept of a mature provider charging high rates to be “mind-boggling”.
You compared these ladies to beat up old Corollas? I’m not sure where you are looking, but the majority of mature providers I know are closer to a classic Mercedes, and absolutely should command more than some teen starting out with good looks but minimal experience.
A mature woman with experience, class, good looks, and who is likely in her sexual peak, who is also willing to work as an escort, is a rare gem and is justified in setting her pricing accordingly.
Everyone has their personal preferences, and one should not assume that their individual tastes are applicable to all. Thankfully gentlemen have a veritable buffet of women to choose from - all shapes, sizes, colors, maturity, and price points, so that there is bound to be someone available for all tastes and budgets.
to leak oil because they are not as tightly as they once were, but I digress. I'm not suggesting older providers cannot still be tight so as not to leak anything, but I digress.
For me, provider age is a balancing act. I have found that most mature providers give me a much better experience that a hot young thing in her early 20's. Once I passed 60 a few years ago, I found most all providers under 45 look pretty good to me, and it IS a fact that providers who are older charge less. For me, service is king, so the opportunity to get the best possible service experience, which most 20-somethings do not yet have the experience to provide, for the same or lesser rate than a newbie provider is a no brainer. I will take the older lady over a 22-year-old every time.
The reason for the rate increase, is because of the clients that are willing to pay these outrageous prices.
Honestly there are levels to life and if most were focused on investing for the last 20 years instead of paying for pleasures 2 tech 2 index stocks is all it would have took for anybody in here to achieve financial freedom. People are distracted and addicted to pleasure over finding financial freedom then have the nerve to complain about a price... Escape the matrix and seek financial freedom HINT: this requires sacrifice and the ability to want to do better and escape the everyday shackles of life. ANYBODY can achieve this. You just have to have the want and the will... Invest or forever hold your peace. Soon enough there will be no middle class as corporate America slowly outpaces the average working man. Good luck out there
I have financial freedom. I have a guaranteed income for life, and medical/dental insurance at no cost (except for co-pays) until the day I die.
That doesn't mean that I throw money away unnecessarily or don't try to spend wisely and get good value for my dollar.
I invest and do so with a plan to insure I am set when I retire. That doesn't mean I have to not fuck hot women along the way.
Invest in the markets. I can now hobby, go on vacation and do the things I want to do. I have grey hair now and young women don't pay me any mind out in public. But if you see them as a provider so fun.
We adjust our rates accordingly. With rising hotel costs, higher gas prices, and increased advertising fees, we must adapt to avoid losing money.
dprn_xken,
I'm guess you have no clue as to what a "Provider" goes through from the very first day they started this type of work. That's ashame because if you did then you wouldn't say what you did.
It will be cheap soon enough. Once the economy finally collapses or when it does prices plummet. I have been thru several of these crashes overseas russia, argentina, to greece. Russia being the best of all I remember when the $50 an d $100 line ups were around.
Guys honestly if you can dont pay these stupid prices. I mean oe trip to a $800 a hr chic here. That is almos a RT ticket to asia. You see 2 a month in a couple months you have enough for a 2 week trip to Thailand. Dont do south america the idiot passport pro's have ruined it prices are higher then miami as of late.
Easy way around all this BS. I will never pay these rates unless im in veas and win at teh casinos and I consider that casino money. I will indulge in a hottie blonde but in atlanta no way. But quality here is hard to find anyway. Im not paying 30 plus year old for fun.
You and some others need to learn to proof-read before hitting that "Post Message" button.
Anyway, not knocking the young girls, but the most fun I've had has been with women "30 plus". Maybe you just never met the right ones - 40 plus even better.
The cost of living in a nut shell has blasted to the moon. Providers are just blanching and juggling as best they can. As such in life there are no real 100% guarantee's however this is one hobby that comes close.
A dinner date to a fine restaurant, Drinks Wine and full course is gonna Run you in the ball park of 300 to 750 depending on the style of food being served and ordered. What once was 65$ to fill a pick up truck with fuel is now $125.00 or more.
Groceries have tripled in the last 3 years, Hell the only thing that has gone down, is dope, if you're stupid enough to play in that game.
Housing in my area is completely untouchable for many , As a commercial fishermen here in the states, We are getting paid the same as we were 20plus years ago, Our fuel has gone through the roof, try putting 20 to 15 thousand gallons on your vessel , plus Hydraulic oil, engine oil, and everything else to go fishing and feed America, YEAh you read it right, we are getting paid the same for product as we were 20 plus years ago. Fact is everyone everywhere is feeling the pinch some just harder than others.
Spending 10k for a weekend twice a year is totally blowing my wad for the hobby, tossing in the standard massage twice a week from Indies, works for me. The whole pay to play no matter what the game is, pricing has gone up PERIOD. With that being said, live within your means even in this hobby.
Now, with only a few reviews with Massage independent providers and a couple questions on the board (thanks to those that responded ) some would seem that I would be of rookie status, however at 64years old and having been around the world several time, i can assure ya I am not a rookie, but rather one who stumbled onto this page and have spent a great deal of time reading and can see pretty clearly everyone has (for the most part) a clear opinion on matters. The ladies (if I may) take a major risk in the hobby and should be completely compensated in the manner that they seem fit, if hobbyists drop off, well adjust the rates to fit what they need to make it work..
Stay Well All
After decades long career here I have not doubled my rates. Tbh I had a two hour minimum at $1,500, since 2017 and now it’s 1,600 that’s not a substantial increase. Doubling your rates because of inflation sounds a bit absurd. To each their own. Maybe they only have time to cater to 1, or 2 new clients a month because they have regulars. 🤷🏽♀️
Have you been to the grocery store lately?
Do you buy fuel for your vehicle?
Have you renewed your insurance in the past year?
Have you tried to book any kind of travel?
It's not just BS when people talk about inflation and providers are not immune. The price of everything has gone up on account of Covid initially, followed by out of control government spending and most of it is "sticky" so those prices will never come down again. At least in this country you can still vote for a change that might at least stop some of this nonsense.
I was about to hit like until I got to the end. There's a reason we have a P&R board.
I was about to hit like until I got to the end. There's a reason we have a P&R board.
For what it's worth the recent price data reporting I saw showed that prices are decreasing for a number of classes of goods -- deflation not disinflation. So I don't really see the macro argument for further price increases by the ladies in general. Some will likel do so, or try, and if they have sufficient following that might stick. But average price increases as we've seen over the past could of years, no. I don't really see that.
It depends on where you look but I generally agree, the rates of a lot of girls are ridiculous. Clients have to take some of the blame for this. Providers wouldn't be asking for these high rates if clients were not paying them those said rates.
Have you looked at the economy? A girls gotta eat! Plus, with a growing fanbase, I think raising the prices ever so slightly is warranted. You pay for quality!! I'm the best TS top on the market so I should get paid accordingly!
Yes, since Covid, rates have gone up almost double, but so have hotel rooms, food, plane fares, etc. Even with that though, I think most have increased their profit margins, and as long as the market holds good for them. I'm never against someone getting ahead. For me personally, if I feel a rate is too high, I just move on by and keep searching. In the past couple of years, I've moved more to the "sugarbaby" route and though I might not be saving money overall, the outside the bedroom experiences have been worth their weight in gold.
Plus the deposits, screening, and lack of same day appointments. I definitely hobby less than I used to.
Deposits help decrease these fantasy booking, time wasting folks who have no interest in a real date & screening is important for safety only. I offer same day appointments though, I just like to know who I am meeting before I meet them and I don't ask for SSN's (just a joke) . I like to know how to best satisfy the person I am meeting with.