I know there are people here that hobbied in the days of old (or at least knew someone who did). Questions:

How did providers share word of "trouble clients" without verifyhim or sites like national blacklist? Were there small postings in the local newspaper? Also, how do you screen a client without the internet, or being able to contact other providers?

If a gentleman was looking for a type of provider (GFE, PSE, a tantrika, etc), would a newspaper ad tell him this? Did all those alphabet codewords actually have meaning, then? I know people still use the acronyms now, but now it's silly to use them because LE would know immediately what they were. I'm assuming, in the old school days, the acronyms actually provided for a secret way to convey services. But how would you know the acronyms without a place to look them up?

In the times of pagers and pay phones, if you were trying to use that "two call system", how would that work? How did you get to an incall location, or get a provider to your outcall location?

How did meet and greets work? Was there a discreet "meet and greet" post in the local pages?

If one couldn't ask any details, how would you know what services were offered, or what the rates were? (I have seen some really stupid things like, "100 kisses/roses/hugs", but I'm assuming that's just silliness). Nowadays, after a gent is checked out through screening, I'm happy to discuss details, and like to hear his dirty desires down to the nitty gritty (it turns me on).

Essentially, how did the hobby world work before the internet and mass communication? I remember a brief period before AOL started sending those "32014 FREE MINUTES" CD's in the mail...but it is very hazy.

Any memories or insight would be greatly appreciated.

Rosie

Unless you went to a brothel or MP where you could see the person first and back out, or you used street walkers.

I pretty much stuck to the newspapers, and somewhat with MPs..

There were no abreviations in the ads.  The typical ad went like:  "Debbie:  555-1212", and that was it.  Maybe it would give their measurements and age, but it was always fake.

Nevertheless, amazingly, I ended up seeing some really fine gals.  The problem is that they would never stick around very long, so when I found someone I really liked, chances are that they phone would be disconnected a few weeks later and I'd never see them again.

There was just one exception to that, and by God, I still know the gal 23 years later!  (Just friends though, she's retired.)

The two-call system was alive and well.  The gal would direct you to a phone booth in view of her apartment window.  When there she would ask you to call and wave or something, and she knew it was you.  I felt like some kind of secret agent.

The rates were mentioned on the phone, but things were usually a la carte, and negotiating was the norm.  In the phone call, she might say something like:  Things start at $50 (remember this was 1975), and go up.  So, $50 she would take off her top and you'd get a hand job.  All nude maybe $75, toss in a covered BJ, maybe $100, the full monty was in the range of $150-175.  For $200 maybe bare back (pre AIDS, remember).  It was almost always one and done.  A few gals were just starting to offer full one hours with two pops.  I remember the first gal who offered it to me.  As I started to get up and pull on my clothes, she said "Hey, we're not done, you've got a full hour coming.  That day I knew there was a God.  I can't remember her name, but her tits were names Starsky and Hutch.

I seem to be rambling like Grandpa Simpson.

The only LE activity appeared to be towards street walkers.  Massage parlors and gals working from apartments flourished.  There was no hysteria about trafficing, etc.

Those were the good old days compared to the attention LE is paying to us now.

Out of the 100 or so gals I met between 1975 and 2002 when I went on line to find gals, I'd say that only 3 or 4 were real clunkers, and I never came close to brush with either LE, or any kind of rip-off or danger.

like Stewie and Brian ?

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But where the 80s as bad as I am imagining them to be? Because I imagine them to be full of paranoia, scary encounters, and LE stings. I want to know if that is true, or if it is my millennial bias.

Posted By: CurlyW - Nats Fan

like Stewie and Brian ?

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and stop at a pay phone (What's that daddy?) to search the Yellow Pages for a local MP - and some asshat tore all the massage and escort listing pages out of the book?

Boy, that would frost my donuts.

all I did was run an agency. We used the yellow pages, newspaper, etc. and there was hardly any screening. We asked for a full name, and would not give out the location until we could see the type of car he was driving. The girls were NEVER alone either. There were always at least 3 others around. How we did not get busted, I will never know lol because we were in the hottest part of town back then and had a website link right in the newspaper.

Bad clients, were few and far between because as I said, the girls were never alone. They got the money, and could not start working until it was secure in my hands. I would call the other agencies in town and give that client's name and info if we had any problems, but they were rare. Guys usually are not stupid enough to try anything when there are several women around and knives in the kitchen bwahahaha.

There were never any refunds and a full hour was bs lol. It was more like come in, no kissing, daty, just bbbj, and sex...one round, out. I would literally knock on the door if they were taking too long, and those same guys still kept coming back for that shit lol.

Funny thing, I made more money with that agency than I make now. We had at least 30 guys a week rolling through one location seeing a new girl as they came in, and no one seemed to notice shit.

It was far from the more refined, sophisticated GFE most provide today.

WTF is wrong with today's hookers. Why shave that area ? Waste of razor and gel.  

pretty much lines in with what I experienced in 2002, when I first started hobbying in SmallTown, PA.

The word GFE had not reached this place and neither had Internet. I was able to find an illegal brothel in downtown where a bunch of girls would just sit around smoking and watching TV.

I found one girl who would kiss me like crazy, but almost threatened me not to say anything about DFK to anyone EVER, because it would get her fired... I obediently obliged.

The madame was rude, and the rudeness was mostly a function of them being shit scared than sheer arrogance.

I never gave my real name though...

So, do you think that the internet and all the escort malls has given rise to the whole "trouble client" phenomenon, and the need for blacklist sites?

From what it sounds like, GFE wasn't even really a thing. Nor was PSE. It was really was just sex and go. How did the girls enjoy it? I mean, I really enjoy providing..but if I couldn't kiss and cuddle and 69 with my gents, I feel like it wouold be less fun.

Hmmm....you made more money when it was "no frills" sex, than now when guys get more of a "total package" deal? That's...not what I expected.

When you advertised, was it it just like "5 beautiful ladies, call 555-4367. Discreet and legit!"

I completely believe that this is the way it was, but it just doesn't seem as sexy and fun.

How did you learn what an agency was without the internet? I only learned about escorting from the "cautionary tales" told by SD2, and then I found the hobby world on my own through blogs and whatnot.

Was it mostly Agency then? No indie providers in the 70s and 80s? (You weren't providing in the 70s, obviously)

Do some research and post without an alias for a better response.

Its just that she doesn't have reviews linked to her ID.

Excuse me?
Why in the world would I post under an alias? Unlike most, I do not have an alias. I speak as myself alone.

London gave me a pretty good response from what I can see.

Like I would ever use a razor on my vermillion gate.

Brazilian wax, allllll the way!

Posted By: CurlyW - Nats Fan

WTF is wrong with today's hookers. Why shave that area ? Waste of razor and gel.  

Thank you, Curly.
Even if people disagree with what I say, I would never hide behind another name to say it

I still don't understand why DFK was *not allowed*.

I feel like, not having the freedom and ability to relax, sounds unpleasant to me. What's the point of seeing a girls if you can't kiss and fondle her to your hearts content, and her madam is scary/rude?

Was it less rule-based with indie women?

...nothing worse than picking pubes out of the teeth. LOL  My “hobby” history started in 1972.  It was primarily finding FS in spas, saunas  and relaxalounges, yes that is what they were called.  Of course there were always street corner and car sex, don't laugh many of us experienced those days.  In the 80s there was the forerunner of backpage which was the erotic section of a weekly rag in MN called City Pages (still publish it today).  There were ads in the newspaper in an adult section for escorts and there were listings in the yellow pages.  You could not do research, almost every meeting was TOFTT  (although there was no team, everybody was on their own) and lots of gals and guys got hurt.  The pimps were thugs.  There was also a lot of BBFS in those days, STDs were thought to be eradicated by a dose of penicillin and nobody was worried about AIDS, only pregnancy (and the johns didn't care about that ).  Eventually some of the higher end girls started screening by asking the callers if they had references and talking among themselves (on the phone) but that was few and far between until the late 80s  It was very challenging to be an independent gal in those days, challenging and dangerous.  Most gals worked in a spa or sauna and paid a big percentage to the house.  Strip clubs had VIP backrooms and a guy could get laid, but the whole thing had a kind of wild west flavor until the internet age.  Today it is completely different (and much better AND safer for everyone)

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I knew Marshall Dillon and he made sure that Miss Kitty always set me up with the best damn hookers.

When I moved to Virginia City though...all I ever asked is "Why are there no women on Bonanza"?

I can definintely see the lack of trafficking hysteria. With less globalization, trafficking and sex slaves were really underground. I understand freaking out about it these days, but it's really unfortunate that willing providers are taken down in an attempt to combat sex slavery. I'm sure the lack of LE hovering over made for a better session, especially in a massage parlour.

Wasn't it hard to find providers catering to specific desires, though? What if one had a specific fetish?

Hi China,

.. or a woman through a friend of a friend!!  When TER came along I was in heaven!! Even though I was behind the times in getting a cell phone!! At the beginning I had no trouble calling from my land line & getting the incall info & then showing up @ the door!!

Hahahaha, a pay phone close to the window. I would feel like a secret agent too. My godmother had one of those huge brick cellphones with the long satellite cord. Imagine having to carry a regular brick phone AND a hobby brick phone.

Oh yeah! I forgot you could do bareback!
I grew up in the era of "if you have sex YOU WILL DIE". The real worry was probably pregnancy and crabs, etc.
How far into the 80s did it go before people moved over into "hats" as the norm? Because I know that in the early 80s, AIDS was seen as a "gay man's disease". How many do you think fell to AIDS in the P4P scene before the realization hit like it did in the civvie world? So many people died...I have a lot of family in the queer community, and they describe the 80s as sexual "pandemonium" because you didn't know how was safe, what was what, and what was killing everyone.

And why could you negotiate then, but rates are non negotiable now? I will never negotiate, but only because it has been ingrained in me that it is in bad form.

Where did the alphabet acronyms come in?

Eh?

Vermillion gate is just a term I found in a classic Chinese sex manual. I believe the cock was called a "ivory staff".
What's wrong with finding words I like? I think all the terms for genitals are really interesting. My favorites are "c*nt" "vermillion gate" and "satin cave". My favorite male terms are "Cock", "manhood", and I call SD1's the "wall destroyer".

You do realize that I post for myself, right? If I want an answer to a question, I ask it. If I like a word, I use it. When I find an even cooler word for vagina, I'll use that too.



P.S. I really like the word "slag" for whore. I just like words, really.

Hi Curly,

You've got that right, my friend!! I've only seen two women in this profession w/a full bush!! I need to see more bush like the one Nicki Charm wore in the early '80's!! I would be in hog heaven !!

Posted By: CurlyW - Nats Fan

WTF is wrong with today's hookers. Why shave that area ? Waste of razor and gel.  

And those have gone the way of the Dodo bird  

Negotiation...happens all day long.  You can scream from the top of the mountain you don't...but you do.

As well as all the other hookers.  

That shit is for the newbie who has no clue on how to play in this world I'm afraid.  And he ain't a newbie for long  LOL

And you never met a pimp?

I had one pot client contact me, and it seemed more like a pimp, trying to add me to his stable.

Posted By: CubbieFan2

Hi China,

.. or a woman through a friend of a friend!!  When TER came along I was in heaven!! Even though I was behind the times in getting a cell phone!! At the beginning I had no trouble calling from my land line & getting the incall info & then showing up @ the door!!

Posted By: ChinaRose

I know there are people here that hobbied in the days of old (or at least knew someone who did). Questions:

How did providers share word of "trouble clients" without verifyhim or sites like national blacklist? Were there small postings in the local newspaper? Also, how do you screen a client without the internet, or being able to contact other providers?

If a gentleman was looking for a type of provider (GFE, PSE, a tantrika, etc), would a newspaper ad tell him this? Did all those alphabet codewords actually have meaning, then? I know people still use the acronyms now, but now it's silly to use them because LE would know immediately what they were. I'm assuming, in the old school days, the acronyms actually provided for a secret way to convey services. But how would you know the acronyms without a place to look them up?

In the times of pagers and pay phones, if you were trying to use that "two call system", how would that work? How did you get to an incall location, or get a provider to your outcall location?

How did meet and greets work? Was there a discreet "meet and greet" post in the local pages?

If one couldn't ask any details, how would you know what services were offered, or what the rates were? (I have seen some really stupid things like, "100 kisses/roses/hugs", but I'm assuming that's just silliness). Nowadays, after a gent is checked out through screening, I'm happy to discuss details, and like to hear his dirty desires down to the nitty gritty (it turns me on).

Essentially, how did the hobby world work before the internet and mass communication? I remember a brief period before AOL started sending those "32014 FREE MINUTES" CD's in the mail...but it is very hazy.

Any memories or insight would be greatly appreciated.

Rosie

to enjoy it at all. No one wanted to kiss or have strangers touching on them back then...and hell, the guys really did not want to go down on someone who probably just had 4 guys there.  see now the net was really rolling, so I guess it was just us who did not do gfe lol.

IThey would see 3-4 a day, and I can really say 3-4 days a week. That lasted for 2 solid years, but not with the same girls.

How did I know what an agency was? I had an old lady I took care of (home health) and still do, who was actually a hooker back in the 50s and 60s. She told me all of her stories about 25 dollar blow jobs and schooled me about never letting those guys go twice, getting them off quick, etc. I was not ready to do it myself, but thought shit...I had a degree that I was not putting to any use, so why not.

150 for a WEEKLY ad lol in the local newspaper, 300 for a website, free yellow page ad, announced I was hiring "Sensual Touch Specialists" and BAM...shit load of money. Hell, I was young, having the time of my life, and yes I made 4 times as much money as I do now. I might see 2 guys a week at most as London Rayne. Back then I was making 300 a week at least per girl and there were times I had 12 girls working.  Then again, I did not have as many bills to pay ha ha.

We had Doctors, Lawyers, Pharm Reps (did that myself too lol) you name it....the rate was only 150-200 and I took 50 off the first 6 calls from each girl, and the rest they kept. These women were overjoyed to make 100 bucks for 10-15 min. because rarely did they ever have actual sex. The guys were easy, non demanding, and just wanted a nut. None of the frills you see today.



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Hi,

.. women!!  Some of the boxes even had cards w/ the woman's picture on it!! Yes, those were the days!!

That really does sound like some wild west madness there.
But was that air of secrecy and kind of thrilling?

Yeah, I get there not being a team. There wouldn't be the bromance opportunities like there are now, where hobbyists are just a pm away from each other.

Lol, aren't the pimps still thugs? I live in Oakland and men area always coming up on me, suggesting that I could "make the big bucks" if I decide to "rock with them". Yeah, I could make the big bucks alright...and give 80% of it to you.

I'm sorry. but since we ARE talking about the 70s now, I can't help but imagine a lot of cocaine and earth tones mixed with bright colours. I'm envisioning a seedy roller rink, and everyone "knew" that the dj had lots of "angel dust" and easy girls upstairs.

It sounds like it just wasn't safe or even possible to be an indie. You either were on the street with a pimp, or in a relaxalounge (lol) with madam.

But when did AIDS make everyone paranoid and use condoms? Because it wasn't even AIDS then..it was just that thing killing all the gay/trans men.

Hahaha "frost my donuts!"

LOL, tearing out all the pages? Was that the 80s version of trolling?

There weren't indies in small town, PA. I tried to hook up with some, but I scared them to death and they ran away..

Don't know why kissing wasn't allowed. Couple of theories. It allows spreading of bacteria if the guy is not clean, and to avoid getting attached to your clients, it was probably advised by their madame, who served as mentor as well.

Re: OK. Fine. You just like words. I will take it -e

Awesome. Let's 69 and be friends. Muah!

............ back then the mob still ran some of the casinos and the show lounges were wild.  I used to stay at the Tropicanna and the Trop was home to one of the great shows, The  Folies Bergere (ran for over 50 years there).. In the late 70s I had a sweetie on the dance line and everytime I came o Vegas we had a great time.  OMG was this girl athletic....  All Night parties and many of the dancers were "working girls" after the show, you would just pick them up in the hotel bar.  Ahhh, those were the days...

I could have survived in the Hobby "wild west". But I couldn't. I lack the Jessie James spirit.

I gotta have my DFK/DATY/Cuddle time. And I wouldn't want to be anything other than an Indie.

Wait...why did you scare the pretty ladies away?

Hi Mr. F,

.. you could have used a shoe phone!!  Man, I would've love to visit Agent 99 back in the day & practiced 69 on her!!

lady would come and sit down next to you and ask you what you were looking for. It would usually include a 1/2 and 1/2 meaning a BJ and a fu*k. She would tell you which motel to go to and the room number but wait 15 minutes for her to get there first. Several girls shared the same room as the sheets were not fresh. As others have said, it was cum and done and she tried to get you to pop fast without kissing. She would let you play with her tits and starting tugging on Mr. Happy to get him semi-hard and then go down on you with hands and mouth. Then you would climb on and pop fast. No such thing as VIP. I am talking late 70's early 80's when I was a young pup.

Went to London in the late 1990's and there were playing card type ads on the phone booths. When you got to a lady's flat, there would be a menu on the bed. Then it was a CBJ or covered sex with minimal kissing and no GFE. Again, get the guy to pop and get his ass out the door.

I used to stay at a certain major hotel  on Paradise Rd. next to the convention center.  The action at the bar in the back of the casino was crazy, especially if there was a large convention in town. No reviews in those days, but you could sure shop for whatever you liked.  The mob sure to knew how to run the place back then.    

....one time I was checking into a motel and saw that the escort pages had been torn out of the phone book in the room.  The maid was down a few doors and I asked her what was up with the pages being torn out.  She "oh sir are you looking for an escort?"  Yeah, I said and then she said "the men who come and place the Gideon Bibles in the rooms tear out all the escort ads in the phone books".  It is funny as hell now, but at the time it was like WTF?  There was not one phone book in that entire place with the escort ads.    

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Who the hell am I?

I'm Rose Hemwall [Rick James] Bitch.

Who the hell are you? Why don't you come from behind that alias big boy....

I've been around the industry for a long time.  This is my recollection, others have different experiences and memories but these are mine.
Back in the day.... pre internet

Agencies had ad's in the yellow pages and/or newspapers.
There were some agencies that were reputable and there were some that were not reputable.
They kept blacklists /  Do Not See lists. (Pen and paper did exist)
Clients who were "really" bad were - info was shared with other agencies.
Clients were screened by good agencies.
Records were kept.
LE was alive and well and 'active'. (no less - no more then currently)
Agencies would describe the physical description of the ladies they had available and the client would choose who to see based on that, then speak to the lady on the phone.
Code words were NOT used if you wanted to avoid handcuffs.  The farthest most would go is to say "full service".
Appointments were outcall.
Contrary to popular belief GFE services were not unheard of.

Independents
usually advertised in local papers or papers like LA Xpress
most ran things similar to as listed above because most started out at an agency.
Some did incall.
BUT, when your independent you can run things how you want, so some independents did things differently

BTW....
The lowest rate I ever remember was $175 for hour.

AND... I certainly do not recall and Meet and Greets, LOL.

Lauren

Do some research and you will see that her brief history is simply awaiting a review.

Seriously...your on here once a week, and you jump someones shit like that???This girl has been kicking it on the boards for just a few weeks. Keep up.

God I remember those times...Went into a nice bar in 87 for a late lunch. The bartender was hot. She caught me checking her out, walked over and propositioned me right there. I will never forget it...

"Hun, I get off in an hour, and for 100 I can get you off 15 min later." Good times...good times...Lots of pubic hair and Aqua Net though. I guess with the goo comes the bad.

which was between my two marriages.  There were other ways to do it, but here's what I did.  And I just kept doing it because it worked.
First time, I cruised around the area south of the Javits Center until I saw a street girl.  CBJ in my car for $20.
Then I found some tabloid sex mags full of cheesy ads and fake pictures.  I picked a few ads and called them, got an address, went to the door and was buzzed in (always a camera there).  Up the stairs to the apartment number I was given when buzzed in.  Was ushered in and led to a room with anywhere from three to six girls.  Each introduced themself and I'd pick one. (Later, if I didn't see anyone I liked I'd go across the street to another place.)
She'd lead me to a bedroom, tell me to get comfortable and come back a few minutes later.  By then I was nekkid so the transaction could commence, the  presumption being no cop would completely disrobe (no longer true).  I'd give her the cash and she'd come back in about five minutes.
It was CBJ (mostly), DATY, CFS.  And you know what?  It was fucking hot!  Is the current version better?  Damn right!  But I had some stellar sex back then.

Who said anything about Chinese?

Ni hui bu hui shuo zhongwen mu gou??  Wo gan shuo ni gei wo yi ge jia mingzi!

THAT, is Chinese.

My favorite came out of the mouth of a female Asian character in one of Robert Parker's Spencer novels, she called it her "polished pearl". I've also always liked "man in the boat", but of course that refers to a specific part of the vay-jay (ooh, there's another). Anyway I started googling for more and got some pretty rude and disgusting lists but the best combo of cool and crude that I found was the "pink velvet sausage wallet".

But Damnit I would love too...One of these days the cool kids will give me the secret password to get into one...lol

Google can't change the language because I didn't write in pinyin (I was unsure if TER supports pinyin characters).
No, I am not Chinese. I am a black female who spent a lot of my childhood in rural south and east asia. Chinese is just the language I love and speak best out of a few.

I cannot say whether I am attractive or not. In my opinion, I am not a great beauty but am very very cute. In Chinese we call girls like me 'hen ke'ai de!".

See for yourself?

Hi Johnnie,

.. he put adult pages in the Classified Ad section!! You didn't have to go to an adult bookstore you just picked up a copy of the Sun-Times on the way to work!!  I found a nudie bar in the south suburbs from reading the newspaper!! That was a great corner bar!!  Behind the bar was a stage the lady would perform on stage, in the nude!! After her set she would work the bar while another lady performed! If you liked what you saw she took you behind a curtain & performed BBBJ's ! That at the time, was the coolest thing, before TER!!

Posted By: mnjohnny247

....one time I was checking into a motel and saw that the escort pages had been torn out of the phone book in the room.  The maid was down a few doors and I asked her what was up with the pages being torn out.  She "oh sir are you looking for an escort?"  Yeah, I said and then she said "the men who come and place the Gideon Bibles in the rooms tear out all the escort ads in the phone books".  It is funny as hell now, but at the time it was like WTF?  There was not one phone book in that entire place with the escort ads.    

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No internet, no review boards, and no cell phones. I made phone calls from my home phone, and form hotel room phones! (But there was also no caller id back then either)

I had good and bad experiences.

Though I dabbled in escorts early on through yellow page ads and classifieds, and such, and also tried some MPs, most of my early experiences were with SWs. One of the best things about the streetwalkers was I knew exactly what I was getting as far as looks were concerned. There was no bait and switch. Of course the performance part could be a whole other story, and I had some mediocre experiences and some bad experiences with streetwalkers. (But they were all very hot, looks wise, lol) But I actually did have some really good experiences too. Good enough that I repeated with a few. If I had a good time before, I would seek her out when I was in the area again, rather than take a chance with a new one. But there was never any gfe (of course the term wasn't even invented yet) Service basically included a cbj and cfs in a couple positions. Sometimes a massage and some cuddling, but never kissing, or daty. The Waikiki streetwalkers always had rooms somewhere nearby in a condo or hotel, so I never did car dates or picked up any and took them back to my place. I also never got arrested, jacked, robbed, beaten by pimps or anything like that. Maybe luck, but I think Waikiki was generally a pretty safe place to play with SWs. The worst experiences were just lousy perfomances. Gals that were hot looking and great in making me think I was going to have a good time, but once in the room and the money changed hands, either they turn into a dead fish, or crazy, or just too mechanical, or trying to upsell, etc.

The yellow page and classified ad experiences were hit and miss. The pics in the ads were always fake. Sometimes the gal that showed up was hot, and sometimes not. Sometimes they sent what you asked for, and sometimes not. Some of the agencies would ask you what you wanted: ie, tall short, big boobs, small boobs, blonde, brunette, redhead, etc., and sometimes they did pretty good at "filling the order," and sometimes they would send someone almost completely the opposite, which made you wonder why did they even ask? Obviously they are sending the only girl that was available, and you really didn't have a choice.

The internet and sites like TER definitely made it a lot easier to almost guarantee a good experience every time.

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and most gals were serving up pretty much plain vanilla then.

From time to time I'd find a gal who would offer some BD/SM, and now and then you'd find a Greek freak too.

There was just no way to know in advance.

I guess if you had the money, there were high end agencies that could find gals with specific fetishes for the well heeled gent, but that was for the high rollers, not me.

Sometimes it wouldn't be till the second date, but often on the first.

I took a bit of a hiatus from 1980 to about 1986 when I got married and waited for the seven year itch to set in, and when I returned the AIDS thing was in high gear and everything was covered.

As for negotiating, gals would not ever publish a price, or if they did, it was just a teaser to get you in the door.

Then they would start to rattle off their prices - so much for this, so much for that.  I'd say I can only afford this, and then they'd come back and say:  Well, how about if I only charge this much, could you afford that?  And so on and so on.  It sucked and I much appreciate the one price covers all and the full hour and multiple pops that is now the norm.

One place this still occurs however is at AMPS, and I visited a lot of those places at one time (Before the INS started to raid them all.)  

Go to their churches and bring along a black magic marker, then put a line through the Commandment that prohibits adultery in all their Bibles.

That'll learn 'em!

My life back in the middle to late 80's as an escort was in many ways easier than it is now.

I worked for an agency in Knoxville, Tennessee that was ran by a very nice woman for about 3 years until she retired and closed it.  She usually charged 200 to 250 for an hour which was of course out call.  I always got half of what she charged and all of my tips.  Her agency was advertised in the phone book.  

For most of those years I carried a beeper, so I could do what I wanted to, until I got beeped by my agency letting me know I had a call to go to.  I would go to a pay phone and call in, get the information and go to the appointment.  I would call me agency when I arrived as a safety measure letting them know all was alright and also when I was leaving.  If anything was wrong or I was in danger we always had a code word to say in the phone so that my agency could try to get help to me.

After my boss closed her agency, I occasionally toured Myrtle Beach and Nashville, plus still worked in Knoxville, for 2 more years, then I quit working as an escort until I started up again about 5 years ago.

In all those years of working back then without all the safety measures we now have with the internet, I never ran into LE, got hurt or had anything bad really happen to me, except for one incident.  In that incident, I had walked into an out call and the man grabbed my purse and ran out.  That was it!

I also was providing GFE before I even knew about the term "GFE".

Providing back in the old days in my opinion wasn't that bad and actually was alot less trouble than it is these days!

Dreamy

But thanks for pointing out who YOU feel is a troll.

Why not start your own thread on suggesting who the 2012 TER trolls are?  Might be entertaining...at least more so than asking about how we fucked around in the '80s.

But China's question was a fun one...at least for some of us trolls  

Nobody monopolizes my time. SD2 and SD1 FREE up my time by teaching me how to work smarter, not harder.
And my time for hooking is limited because it ISN'T my career.
In my mind, a thesis is always due, and one can certainly benefit from treating all of life as a learning experience.

Quit drinking the haterade.

Since I can't speak for any provider, I'm just gonna answer the questions that relate to the client point of view.

As far as types of ladies...we looked at ads and we had to either believe photos, or we had to rely on the woman to describe herself as being accurate.

The two-call system always was in place.  It just means call once to get an appointment and an approximate address (usually an intersection), and then another call to verify you are at said approximate address and then getting the real address.

There were no "meet and greets" in the old days.

People still asked details, but they were more sly about it.  You didn't ask about whether a girl did a blowjob without a condom and whether she swallowed.  You just read between the lines when she said it was a "good time" or "full service."  Rates were still quoted as rates ("My rate is 300.")

It's really not that different than now.  It was just more primitive.

Well that sucks

Why not post that on her posts?  You'd think that would make some sense...not that I would see her in  SF...but there are some that might.

Was the site located in China?  I'm just curious as I have some friends there and thought maybe I could stop by on my next trip to Asia.

Re: Well that sucks

Huh?
You would see me in China but not SF? I don't understand....

I changed my website, anyways..about two hours after he complimented me.

Ganxie!
Very sweet, thank you.