In any business, the first sale to a new customer is usually the most time-consuming, and that is true for sex workers as well, because of the screening being part of the first transaction. But if the service is good, you can expect that new customer to come back again and again at relatively short intervals. When you amortize the time and cost of screening over the life of the customer relationship, it is often a pittance compared to the cash flow generated.
You are not being rude, you are being prudent, and you should be for your own safety. If a provider (not you) finds herself with a lot of her customers taking one appointment and then she doesn't see them again, then the screening becomes a much bigger issue for her because of the time-intensiveness. But the fix is to improve the service, NOT cut back on the screening. Being lazy with screening will get her the kinds of clients she doesn't want, including the local constabulary.
I had a nice reunion today with a long time ATF..
She is perplexed.. she has no way to screen guys now... she let her P411 go....she can't get back on...no TER... si now she has no way to screen a new guy.. probably why she got in touch with me.. so what are other ways? I told her Switter... but she said... so what! She can't screen anyone..i told her to ask for references.. and ask them. She thought that was a lotta work.
I told her that a lot if others do that...
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Asking for references is too much work?
Also, although I have direct knowledge of P411, I thought they were allowing lapsed members to renew, just not taking new ones at this time.
I'm sitting here thinking... Umkay, references are "too much work" and she won't get a VPN for TER. And I'm under the impression that the changes on P411 won't go into effect until January as far as new members go, but on that one I'm not 100% sure.
I got nothing for the lady, nada. she might think it's too much work.
Steph XO
The biggest issue with asking for references...
Unless she's asking a girl that she personally knows, there's no way to know that the reference is legit. You can't look up referenced provider on TER or P411, so who's to say the reference is legit? On the bright side....p411 will start taking new providers and clients again....in the near future, so when the doors open again, she may want to re up on that membership. The more ladies who stay or join, will certainly provide incentive for swinging dicks to hold on to their memberships. All conjecture at this point. Only time will tell if things will get better... or worse.
P411 will become more valuable in January. I'm looking forward to the new changes. Although the removal of the booking and message feature kind of sucks. We'll see what happens.
It will be valuable....if there's a mass enlistment of providers. However....you still have to be savvy enough to find ads for ladies in your area. And hope the lady of your choosing has a profile on p411. The other thing is... now ladies will have expenses for both an advertising avenue, and a P411 for screening purposes. Extra overhead usually means price increases. For me... that would mean having to visit less frequently to absorb the increase. I refuse to drop to a lower tier provider.
I'm looking forward to the possible mass enlistment. We'll see what happens. Would be nice if ter makes some positive changes as well.
Please note that P411 has always been, and always will be, completely free for providers.
The only costs there have ever been for providers are for "upgrades" that are completely optional.
Always,
Gina
That's a plus. But ladies that used TER and/ or P411 for " free" advertising will have to go in pocket for other advertising options. Ladies who stay " home based" with regular clientele will be less affected by these laws, and the changes that have been made to the sites. Where it hurts the ladies the most.... is touring. And if they don't tour, it leaves " grounded" clients ( such as myself) with less options.
Obviously it take a lot of doing to get there but it is well worth it, now more than ever.
I am on several mailing lists with girls I have seen before. They each email me in advance when they plan to visit Boston. This works out great for all.
Any girl can start a mailing list and invite guys to join. Client list should build fast if service is good. Word still gets around even without reviews to read.
is that once they are over the hill and you know you won't ever want to see them again, they don't have a one-click "unsubscribe" or "opt-out" option. The only way to get off their list is to send an email requesting to be removed, which invites drama and hurt feelings (both unprofessional responses), which I hate.
What they do instead is tell the bots that run these things that the email is not only good, but that there is a human actually monitoring it.
Curse those tricky devils.
That's why I don't do it if I suspect an email I get is spam.
thank you!
Thanks Gina, very much appreciated.
So when a gentleman gives me a lady to contact it's really not rocket science here.
Does she have a professional looking website?
Is she on any verification sites?
Is she on Twitter so I can take a look at her Twitter page?
Have I heard of her before or seen any info on her somewhere?
Email address?
And so forth.
Does she respond in a professional manner? I mean c'mon here! Yes it's gotten more difficult but references are still important. I've had some gents give me references a couple of times that were unacceptable. Like if he doesn't know her email address and just has some name and number that doesn't work for me. I'm VERY careful who I give my phone number out to, as I'm email only until I get to know someone. I use my phone to have a pre- date phone chat and to text with a gentlemen leading up to a date *after* he's been verified and day of.
My very close gal pals and close guy pals too.
Steph XO
I was just saying ( in a long winded manner) that verification is harder. I certainly didn't tend to imply that verification is no longer possible. There have always been those who try to scam their way in, but current circumstances probably provide greater incentives for their antics.
most part, unless the lady has a solid social media, professional website, p411, I can verify her easy I don't take references anymore. I do my own screening for my safety, there's lots of things to put together and then look the whole picture.
You're a very smart lady.
Nothing is too much work to keep us safe..and any work worth
Sorry I do not want be rude
and my apologizes if iam .....
but not many people make 300 ..400 ...500.. an hour
so send an e mail to other provider to ask references
is not much work...smiling
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In any business, the first sale to a new customer is usually the most time-consuming, and that is true for sex workers as well, because of the screening being part of the first transaction. But if the service is good, you can expect that new customer to come back again and again at relatively short intervals. When you amortize the time and cost of screening over the life of the customer relationship, it is often a pittance compared to the cash flow generated.
You are not being rude, you are being prudent, and you should be for your own safety. If a provider (not you) finds herself with a lot of her customers taking one appointment and then she doesn't see them again, then the screening becomes a much bigger issue for her because of the time-intensiveness. But the fix is to improve the service, NOT cut back on the screening. Being lazy with screening will get her the kinds of clients she doesn't want, including the local constabulary.
The ladies I know have so many ways to screen, but they aren't going to break their silence publicly.
Tell your lazy ATF to privately contact other successful ladies. I know several who have said on twitter that they are willing to show the newbie ladies how they screen.
We client shmucks have no business getting involved in their safety processes.
of the ladies don't need to "play" dumb. I'm embarrassed that I have to remind you that I'm NOT a schmuck, I'm an asshole. Lol
I wasn't including the assholes or arseholes. I was only including the schmucks.
Sheesh, you are such a self centered asshole!
Hahahaha!
It's not ok for you "client schmucks" to opine about screening, but it IS ok for us "client assholes"(or arseholes) to do so.
Got it, Glad I am an asshole and not a schmuck.
That said, while I would like to point out that not all clients are clueless about screening, there are actually a handful who know about as much on the subject as any lady here, but by and large I agree with you that the ladies should be asking other providers about screening not a bunch of largely clueless johns.
And BTW, I never thought you were talking about me, not when you were talking about schmucks that is, but when you started talking about assholes, I will confess that my ears perked up just a bit. I guess I am not quite as self centered as CDL
so it seems she's no newbie. I'm happy to help ladies when I can. They also have to be willing to do the basics thou.
Steph XO
Far from a newbie...pretty well known... now working in a strip club...she has to change how she has been doing business for tbe last 3 years
She sounds just like your type, not the sharpest light bulb in the tool shed. lol
I know it's been said before, but it bears repeating "you can't fix stupid"
Yes, there are a lot of challenges for the ladies right now, but if others can survive, and even thrive in this environment, so can she if she puts her mind to it. That is "if" she has a mind that is of course.
Is she going to try and get new clients by making herself available for takeout with guys she sees in the club? I can't think she's going to have much luck finding new clients other ways because she's not willing to accept references.
She went UTR.. saud that when BP closed all the guys there went to other platforms and she was overwhelmed with rude texts... well over 100 a day.. so she trashed that.. dropped out of P411 and withdrew for awhile..
I have told her that screening via contact with other providers works... her only issue with that is that she wanted to stay low key..
I doubt seriously that she was getting a hundred texts a day via P 411. Any guy on P 411 had to go through P 411 screening to be on that site. Dropping out of P 411 to work a pole is one of the dumbest things I have heard of.
BP Johns did NOT migrate to P 411 when BP was shut down, Gina never would have accepted them, if she was getting rude texts from would be johns she needed to shut down the ads that were generating the rude texts, NOT drop out of P 411.
Once again I call BULLSHIT, what you are claiming makes no fucking sense at all.
I think the rude texts were coming from BP ads. Dropping P411 was a bad choice that just contributed more to the bad situation.
P411 is still the best, always has been.
What he said was that AFTER BP was shut down she went to "other platforms" and that is when she started getting overwhelmed by rude texts. I happen to agree with you that it was most likely "BP refugees" that were sending her these rude texts, but that is not what he said.
I completely agree that dropping P 411 was a "bad choice", just one of many bad choices this provider appears to have made, "if" the OP is to be believed of course, which is far from a given IMO
My screening process is reliable even with boards closing/verification sites no longer accepting new customers. Any lady who has been in this online P4P world for more than a few months should know where to look to find more info on how to screen clients. It's easily obtained. At the least, she could ask other reliable ladies she knows. Stay safe out there!
...but she said that was "too much work".
I mean if her sending an email to double-check if a guy is okay then whatever add'l alternative methods anyone else might be able to show her will def make her go 'fuck that noise'.
Jeez.
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you always know just what to say!
Steph XO
She could just hire a screener and she wouldn't have to do it herself. Much more goes into screening than just checking a couple of references. That's the same whether you have P411 or not since there are guys/gals with okays and references blacklisted to hell and back.
I do know what she means about rude texts after BP closed. The number of ridiculously stupid/rude emails I fielded from **** (am I allowed to mention it here, seems like the rules change frequently) literally exploded within the first week.
...**** here. I assume you mean Eros.
I do see new providers from time to time.
I try to give new providers a couple past providers I have seen in three categories.
The good, the bad, and ugly.
They can reach out to ladies I have seen that have had good experiences. Those that choose not to see me. and finally those I had terrible experiences.
I also give them handles I have had on board so they can check on me.
I give them an option on an NDA. My lawyers like that.
You can never be too safe.