Sounds like you are looking to improve your return on investment. The hobby exist with a structure for a reason: that is what the customer wants. I don't think your idea will work because as a few have pointed out, once there is a commitment, whatever shape or form, it changes the dynamic of the relationship with more complications and potential issues.
If you are feeling like you have outgrown selling your body and services under this structure, you need to think completely outside the "provider" square, be smart, be more strategic, yes it will involve more risk but the returns will potentially be far greater.
I realize that I may not be taking up every single inch of my own lane, but that doesn't mean I want to share any of it with your car.
I also don't want your cigarette butts, so please don't throw them into my sunroof from the window of your lifted truck. My child occupies a space in this car and I don't want her being burnt by your flying debris.
Non Apropos:
I love what I do, and I've only had a very few clients with whom I didn't click. With some, I am blessed to have made very deep connections that have lasted years. After so much time and energy spent establishing chemistry, getting to know a gent, deciding how much of myself to pour into him, it seems silly and wasteful to only spend an hour together. I think I have officially grown past that part of this profession.
Since I'm now in charge of how I do things, why not actually do them MY WAY? So from now on I'm only taking extended sessions with men who are looking for a long-term Friendship. No BS, no wondering if I'll ever see him again. I have come up with a transitional plan to help me ease into this new way of doing things.
At first I will offer only extended sessions, to be booked one-at-a-time. Eventually, as I narrow my client base, I will switch to offering repeat Friends session "clusters". Multiple dates that are purchased in advance, after spending one or two sessions establishing our enjoyment of each other. I would probably set an expiration date on the clusters, so they would have to be used within six months. These Friends who have clusters would always take priority in booking; since I only see one or two clients per week, they would always have my full attention.
I would like the honest feedback of ladies and gents on my new proposed system.
"No BS, no wondering if I'll ever see him again."
Now THAT sounds a little too much like a GFE, LOL.
As to purchasing (and prepaying) "clusters" of appointments, complete with an expiration date? It sounds like a terrific deal for you, but I would be shocked if you will get the guys to go for it. I certainly wouldn't.
Not trying to be negative, but you did solicit honest opinions...
I would think that since you are going to be narrowing your client base to the ones that will be involved in this new way of doing your business, the only opinions that matter are yours and theirs.
But since you asked, I think it could work out fine. Lots of little variables would probably have to be fine tuned. Such as is the date from a "cluster" going to be a "date"? Go to a movie, dinner, back to his place for some quiet time, some hanky panky, then you go home. Or more like just a couple/few hours of intimate time? Or even a choice for the client?
Quite a few more I am sure will pop up (several more in my head now) but those are things that will have to be ironed out as you delve into a new arena and as the saying goes, practice makes perfect.
Monthly arrangement: 6 visits per month $5000 per month
Available for ONE special client, approximately one to two meetings per week, of unlimited hours. Dinner, overnights, travel whatever you like, (6 encounters in total for the month). Must be pre paid.
$833 per overnight date. It's almost like having a mistress. A little more expensive than a wife (unless you are really rich), but you know you will be getting it on a regular basis. I guess you get what you pay for.
Who transitioned into this... I belive she worked it out that only a few men had exclusive amount of time per year for a lump payment or maybe it was quarterly...
I have no idea if it worked as she went deep UTR... (So I guess it did?)
Good luck. I'm sure if you create a logical plan and you work out the details well it should succede
You would then be under "obligations" which probably would generate some feeling with the guys you make this arrangement of "entitlement." That is, they plan a special weekend... and voila, aforementioned kid gets into a bit of a hassle at school! (hey, happens). or babysitter is unavailable.. or well, you get the picture. BOOM! that relationship changes, and dude wants a refund....
Your looks change.... hey, happens. all the time. even in the space of 1 month - your looks can change. You now no longer appeal to the dude who made this arrangement only a few short months ago.... What to do.
While, as I say, this can work, but having watched your posts somehow I do not think that this is "workable - for you" I could be wrong, but if you truly wish to have this type of 'relationships' because you are now moving in the direction of courtesan.... I would suggest that you should have discussed it PRIVATELY with the gents that you would wish to set this arrangement up with FIRST. Their oppinions are the only oppinions that are important.
Remember - you are asking that they partake in a contract, that neither you nor they, are likely to be able to legally enforce. I just have the feeling that at the end of this you are gonna feel taken advantage of, and the gents are well? they will demand more than you think that you've bargined for... unless it is ALL in writing.
Have you thought through how far you will "narrow" your client base? You say "Eventually, as I narrow my client base, I will switch to offering repeat Friends session "clusters"".
I may miss understand your intent, but you seem to mean that your long term goal is to see clients only under this arrangement. Of course you will see, at least occasionally, clients on a more traditional basis to fill a place vacated if one of your existing "Friends" were to move on.
Once you are seeming only "Friends" you will no longer be able to fulfill the part of your plan to
give priority status to them. They are all equally "Friends" and all have equal claim to your time.
You say that you see a maximum of 2 clients per week. You intend to allow a cluster to extend for a six month period or 26 weeks. Lets call the 26 week period that a cluster lasts a cycle. Within a cycle I assume you will be unavailable for one week a month. Within a cycle you allow 40 opportunities in which a client can redeem a prepaid visit.
How many visits had you considered bundling into a cluster and how much had you intended to charge? I have NO intention of telling you what to charge what follows is for illustration only so that we can explore the workability of your proposal. From your website I see that you offer an overnight for $5000. So only for the purpose of discussion lets use that as a possible price for a visit. Also just as a discussion example lets propose that you offer visits in clusters of 4 producing a cluster price of $20,000. How does this work out?
In this situation with perfect matching of schedules you can in theory sell 10 clusters in a six month period for an up front charge of $200,000 for a six month period or a maximum of $400,000 per year. However it is highly unlikely that you can perfectly match schedules. Nor are you likely to wish to commit to working every available week in a six month period. We also need to recognize that you are unlikely, at least as you start this transition to have all the cycles start in the same week. So lets say that you decide to offer no more than 6 clusters in a cycle, reducing your revenue to $120,000 per six months. Is that practical? Without prescheduling all the available dates for all cycles that intersect this will probably not work. Here's why. As you sell cycles the contention for the available days increases. Given normal schedule conflicts visits that don't come off as scheduled because of illness or emergencies (yours and theirs) visit redemption will tend to shift to the end of its cycle period. If you had not decided that your maximum was two visits per week, this would manifest as lightly and heavily booked weeks. Since you intend to keep your visit rate capped this can't happen. Instead, over time, you will find that the cycles will synchronize so that the in essence will start at more or less the same time or visits will expire because you were not available to redeem them within the cycle's period. As the cycles become more in sync the phenomenon of being unable to redeem visits will be more pronounced, with the attendant consequences.
Two alternatives suggest themselves, I'm sure there are others. One choice is to pre-book all visits when a cycle is sold. This allows you to ensure that you have no conflicts and you can hold open a few slots to handle emergency cancellations. Another choice is not to put a time limit on a cluster. This allows you to sell as many as you wish (within reasonable limits) provided that your willing to stay in the market long enough to redeem your outstanding visits. Should you decide to retire, you could stop offering clusters and let your clients know that they have some appropriate amount of time to redeem their visits.
Are you prepared to deal with all of this? If so then from your perspective this may be workable.
Sounds like you are looking to improve your return on investment. The hobby exist with a structure for a reason: that is what the customer wants. I don't think your idea will work because as a few have pointed out, once there is a commitment, whatever shape or form, it changes the dynamic of the relationship with more complications and potential issues.
If you are feeling like you have outgrown selling your body and services under this structure, you need to think completely outside the "provider" square, be smart, be more strategic, yes it will involve more risk but the returns will potentially be far greater.
Ok How workable is this from your clients perspective?
First of all if you price a cluster within 30% of the example number used in part one of this post you are asking that your clients pay what is for many of us a substantial percentage of our hobby budget up front. Thats all well and good, I encourage you to charge whatever you see fit.
However from this side of the deal we have in essence narrowed our selection predominately to you over a relatively long term. Further if schedule conflicts delay our ability to redeem visits we may find ourselves strapped to seek alternatives. Why would we do this? Obviously we must feel that you are well worth it. So you will need to deal with high expectations. Second we must have faith that you will honor the deal. Since we have NO recourse this requires substantial trust on our part. Third, what happens if we end up getting on each others nerves or have a misunderstanding or one of us becomes uncomfortable? Do you refund the unused visits or a portion there of? Suppose one of us gets sick or for some reason beyond either of our control are unable to continue to see each other?
All of these contingencies need to be spelled out in advance and once again require substantial trust on both sides.
I am not sure if I would be interested in an arrangement like this or not. Certainly it is not something I would jump into without a great deal of consideration.
When I read your post, I thought that you might find a more comfortable arrangement by finding a single client. In essence a so called sugar daddy whom you could charge by the month. It solves all the schedule issues and reduces the number of intangibles.
I look forward to seeing if you decide to go ahead with your proposal.
Good Luck either way
-J
If you are limiting activities only to multi-hour events, only the rich need apply. As a hobbiest w/ a budget of $1.5K/month usually, multi-hour events limit my participation, or force me to go over budget, which ultimately catches up financially. From this hobbiest's perspective, I would rather book 3 - 4 events per month than just one or two. But that's just me...
Simply remember with each limitaton you set, you reduce your potential client base, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
I for one see the same lady often but an hour is my limit. Consequently, we would never meet.
Though some may, I refuse to pay in advance so once again we would not meet.
From the sounds of your post you are looking for established relationships rather than being a provider who is in the sense available to the public at large. All of your ideas are fine but they are also limiting.
I think your aspirations are great if you have the clientele to support it.
looking at your web site and your reviews, you have been in the biz less than 6 months. Your web site is very good and you are very attractive. But, as has been pointed out above, many hobbyists are not "independently wealthy" to be able to persue this type of relationship.
For me, I don't do make any other purchases this way. For example, I pay for 1 oil change at a time and don't buy the booklet of 5.
Good luck to you.
You are entitled to run your business on whatever pricing and time structure you feel appropriate. I wish you the best of luck.
However, speaking strictly for me, I would not participate. I love the oportunity to visit with many women on a short term basis for nothing but quick fun.
I do see some providers on a multiple basis, and made some wonderful friends. But, isn't hobbying all about short term fun without long term commitment?
At times I like to repeat with special friends, but variety is good too. Sometimes, things happen with a lady that make me feel some space is necessary before I'll want to return.
I can't envision myself wanting to be "on the hook"; I've got that at home.
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I agree completley. For a while now, I have had a burning desire to meet you, Miss IT girl, as I have loved the spunkiness and self-confidence of your posts. Indeed if memory serves me well, you have previously expounded eloquently that you were not interested in relationships nad that your gentlemen friends had better understand that from the get go.
For my part the, zipless but emotionally and intellectually spunky fuck would have worked fabulously, especially given your "hotness" to the eye.
Alas, your new plan holds no charm for me....and will very squarely relegate me to the excluded group.
Notwithstanding, The thought of cluster fucking with you is mesmerizing to me.
G.
This can work for you if you have the clients who want to spend time with you and only you. But most guys like variety that is why they pay for sex. You are basically looking for a handful of sugar daddys, and these type of men will start to get possessive in the long run. And if a guy wants to spend all his money on one girl he should find him a real girlfriend not a pretend one.
While the arrangements that exist under the umbrella that we refer to as sugar daddies and sugar babies are very diverse the majority share some common characteristics. The comments below reflect generalities for which there are many exceptions.
In most cases possessiveness as we generally define it is rather rare. What is rather common is that the parties to these relationships negotiate the degree to which they will restrict various social choices as part of the arrangement. For example the sugar baby might agree to forgo other sexual contacts. The variations are as endless as human imagination. The key is that such matters are openly and formally agreed to as part of the arrangement.
While exceptions do exist, it is rare that a sugar baby will have multiple sugar daddies. In my opinion, this is because the SD is paying for aspects of the relationship that are hard for an SB to provide to more than one person at a time. Things like being available according to the SD's schedule. The lowered risk of exposure or disappointment. etc.
As in all contracts, often life changes cause these boundaries to chafe on one or both parties. I suspect that this is the source of the perception of possessiveness mentioned above.
-J
For all your input. Been very busy lately with work and good friends.