Looks, Performance, Atmosphere, Services?

If we were getting reviewed (for what? For being clients or if we were hypothetically selling sexual services?)

We are getting reviewed.  I'd consider references to be reviews.  Also, more than a few of us have seen the Provider Only board.

I am curious how you have access if it’s for providers only…

what you think of my performance vis a vis DATY and massage.   I know my cock is only 4" on a good day, so no need to remind me.

Not to mention services like Verify Him, Date Check and even Mr. Number serve as review sites for clients. The idea that we don't get reviewed is ridiculous. The difference is provider reviews are publicly viewed and disputable by providers. Client reviews are usually blocked from public, so we can't see if someone is making shit up about us or causing problems. Depending on the service, we can't delist either. I don't understand why providers like to play this game and try to flip it back on us. Why do providers have to be dishonest? This is why clients don't trust providers. At a certain level I expect some sleight of hand or smoke and mirrors. Promulgation of this BS is why I am a jaded client.

Strange question.  Like Yelp reviewing its customers.  Why would you care, as long as, we paid?

Honestly, wasn’t sure if you meant us changing the review if we could. But it’s clearer now.

I can't reply with certainty about your grooming, but do you still have this T-shirt?

Why would you openly admit that you have access to a board that is supposed to be a provider only space? Some of you guys that post on here I think have been dropped on your fucking heads. Jesus Christ. And no, I do not know of any providers that have used ill gotten means to gain access to the client only board. I am sure it has happened, but I am not aware of any providers that would be dumb enough to do that and then openly brag about it in the open discussion area.

LOL

Good post.

I don't either anymore use these sites. And to Eva's complaint I can tell you that the above mentioned websites were clogged with nonsense so any provider that has been around for more than a hot minute would not use them either. The main purpose of the sites was to keep providers safe from bad/abusive clients but it just became more of a complaint board in regard to guys that were "cheap", carrot danglers, time wasters, tire kickers, etc. I don't care about that shit. I know when to move on to another client and to no longer waste my time. I want to know if the guy is a serial rapist like Joey the Player or a serial Killer like Rex (look both of them up!). I would highly recommend you *NOT* get a fake ID as that will get you more into hot water in this community than anything else. I am an open provider and I believe Bia is as well. Honestly, integrity, and good people do exist in this industry but it is up to us to lead by example and let others know that if you are either a client or provider that dishonestly or violence will not be tolerated.

Atmosphere:

Maybe you refuse to realize that some of us refuse to repeat regardless if you paid. I posted this for good reasons…

Bless your heart.

Not a thing.  I have every confidence in my manners and courtesy.  I make the effort to be sure we match in terms of menu/limits/requirements/price point etc.  I don't want to make a date with a lady that doesn't offer what I'm looking for at that time.  That would just be aggravating for everybody involved, right?  I will admit that the requirements part (screening) may take me a few trips to the lady's website to get sorted.  For example, some time back there was a lady that had newly relocated to my area.  After checking out her website, I was quite interested.  After doing some research, things were looking good.  Before reaching out I went over her website for the 4th or 5th time (I can be kinda slow) and Boom!  There it was.  I understand the need for screening and don't have much of a problem with it.  However, this particular lady required a degree that made me uncomfortable.  That's her choice, just as it's mine to take my business elsewhere.  No hard feelings.  I hope she has a wonderful and financially rewarding stay here.  Point is, I feel I do my part.  If somebody doesn't want my business, another girl will.

With the back and forth about reviews and the constant comparisons people make between companions and inanimate objects (i.e. food, films, etc.) I'm actually tickled Bia started this discussion.

If I saw a BAD review that YOU wrote about another client, I would avoid seeing you.  This is my take.  

Yikes. You sound like all the rounders that had a melt down when it finally became illegal in all 50 states to rape your wife. "I can't rape my wife, she is my wife!! That is impossible!!"  
"I threw the money at the whore after I fucked her! I paid her in full!! What is the problem?!?"  

They make it a pain to find though. Wonder why that is.

Good job! Now you are seeing this from the provider's point of view and what we think when we see you guys writing shitty reviews about other providers!! WOOT!! It's MAGIC!!!

..is choosing to see clients I'm very certain I'll get along with swimmingly. Sometimes a suitor who has seen me several times wants to reconnect with me. With a new client, it may be the case that when I see his okays or reviews, I feel very assured because he has met with reputable companions I'm familiar with. Sometimes a client will opt to send me full or partial identity verification. Whichever relevant mode(s) of screening and details I receive, I use to help me decide if I want to proceed and meet. I'm smitten with those who I've met or reconnected with over the past few years. I feel lucky for who has chosen me, and in turn who I have chosen. I think I'm doing some things right... for me.

real nice

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I think reviews should be less about blow-by blow details and more about safety and value.  When I read reviews, all I want to know is whether the provider is the lady in the photos, whether the photos are still current and accurate, is she legit and does she provide good service relative to the donation.  Sure, tell us about any limitations or boundaries if you want, but I don't need a Penthouse Forum rundown of the date where you tell us how big you are and how many times you made her cum.  

THANK YOU!!!

I am confused as to you telling us you "don't need a Penthouse Forum rundown of the date where you tell us...how many times you made her cum" but in your reviews, you make it a point to tell us all how many times you made her cum.  
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Why the contradiction?

to think HE is the only guy making them cum.  Lol

Mentioning lists that most people use to stay safe on a public forum is so fkd up, please delete this comment. This is how so many providers get killed. We legit have nothing to protect ourselves besides these lists and you're jeopardizing people's safety.  So many people were saved by joey the player because of lists like these

What, if someone mentions the names of these sites they stop working????

It wouldn't change a goddamn thing for me. Why would it?  

First we hear that clients don't get reviewed. Then we hear that the review services are worthless because they are filled with petty complaints from disgruntled providers. Then we hear that these services must be kept secret because they are vital to provider safety. We hear stories about providers posting false, negative stories about a client so the provider can keep that client to themselves. Clients use review sites for safety too, that hasn't stopped providers from delisting or having no review policies. When providers are confronted with this reality, they usually plainly state that they don't care. It is a very confusing stance, really hard to trust what anyone says at this point. Clients need to just focus on protecting themselves. Knowing the reality of the situation is essential for client safety. Providers have made it clear they only care about themselves, which means the client is the only person looking out for themself.

Reviews that meet my stated criteria would not be accepted by TER.  Ask me how I know.

...of the review format would we change.  I'm still living in the old way this game worked and assume when given the opportunity, you ladies communicate with each other.  That said, I wouldn't change a single thing about how I operate because I've always wanted to leave the impression that I'm a gentleman that can be trusted to be fun to be around, respectful of a provider as well as her time and property and someone they'd like to see again or rec to others.  

someone doing a good job getting a fake ID and spending some time on an alternative social media presence would be extremely difficult to defend against for most providers and all you could really do is blow it up and they'd have to start over.  You're not really trying to insinuate that you could actually do something about this or are you?

Since when was it ever part of TERs rules that you had to mention how many times the girl gets off?

It's not that confusing imo when you realize that a good amount of providers view their safety, time and many other things as way more important than the clients safety time and so forth.  

We have a winner! I would take it further. It isn't that providers view their own safety and time as more important than the clients. That's a rational attitude in many areas of life, including this one. The issue is that so many providers are up front about not giving a fuck about a clients time or safety. They openly don't care. Its a huge shift from what existed before. I understand providers need to feel safe and comfortable in order to have a good time but recently things are going a bit far to say the least.

"I tried breaking the rules and they wouldn't let me"
   
know we know why you no longer have reviews.

well in a perfect world the photos would be real, not photoshopped or so old you think you have the wrong address

Yes, to a degree. When predators know of the lists and where to check if they're listed, they

If providers were sharing PII would you?

There will never be equal ground between sex workers and clients until sex work is decriminalized. Previously the LE target was sex workers and clients had the upper hand, now the target of LE are the clients. Bad actors that are clients OR sex workers should be the focus of LE, (and actual sex traffickers, of course)  but instead our society makes sweeping generalizations. Sex workers were previously viewed as the decay of society, now all sex workers are viewed as victims and all clients are the villains. Our government has no business attempting to regulate the morality of consenting adults, yet here we are, again.

Although I appreciate your response, creating a fake ID and an alternative social media presence does not create a whole different identity. All humans have a ton of information on the internet that is easily accessible so for someone to actually create a realistic alternative identity they would need to do way more than just make a face ID and a new FB page. I do not know enough of the MO of Joey the Player, but I have researched Rex pretty extensively. Rex targeted sex workers that had addiction issues and would offer them $1,000 to forgo any screening and also talked gals into meeting him at sketchy areas and to not bring a phone for "his" protection. Because they were desperate for cash and drugs they agreed to these terms and lost their lives. So no, you may not find any actual criminal history on someone who has not been charged or convicted of something yet, you are correct. But clients that have ulterior motives are not going to waste their time with a provider that requires certain screening information anyway, they are going to focus on providers that are desperate for cash. The red flag of both of these really had nothing to do with their personal screening information, but rather both offered cash way above what the provider was requesting that is an instant red flag that providers should avoid. Also they asked for certain safety measures to be circumvented along with the offer of the extra cash for the providers to go along with their sick and deadly plans.

There is a degree to which the experience of the session needs to be provided that is beyond just a X, Y Z acts occurred.  

We have defacto decriminalization in many parts of the country. In NYC for example, all of the DA's refuse to prosecute any prostitution charges. That hasn't exactly made things any better in that market. In fact some of the loudest voices are escorts in the NYC area and they are some of the biggest complainers. Lets be real, the power shift had nothing to do with LE. It occurred because providers took advantage of COVID to force it. Good for all of you, I applauded it at the time. Many of the measures taken by providers during COVID made sense. Things have gone a bit too far since then. People are getting doxed for minor disputes or cancelling an appointment. It has become much easier for scammers to operate. Like I said, providers don't care. I've seen some providers claim they "don't want to see clients dumb enough to get scammed." What kind of attitude should I have in this situation? Does it make sense to be honest and trustworthy? Does it make sense to be caring and attentive? I think as a client it makes sense to be skeptical and guarded.
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Providers forced changes but those changes had unintended consequences for clients. Providers have made it clear they don't care about the unintended consequences and that it is the client's problem. As a result providers have burned some goodwill. Clients need to take steps to protect themselves and worry about themselves.

I wouldn’t say these sites are worthless. I will use them at times but sometimes need to filter through the noise to get to what’s important.  I am only worried about certain types of reports and the rest of the nonsense gets ignored.  It’s not perfect and it’s just one tool in the screening toolbox.  

Scarlett,

Wow! That is crazy!!! And from some of the articles he never actually paid any of the providers anyway, so his offer was just to entice women to him so he could hold them hostage and rape them. So glad you knew to turn him down. If the offer seems way too good to be true it often is.

Eva,  
I thoroughly enjoy reading your comments and insight, but I do think NYC has for sure jaded you. I have never "worked" in NYC besides one gent who hired me for a week long FMTY trip, so as to how the providers act there I do not know. I would say there is much more that goes along with decriminalization than just not prosecuting the providers or clients. With full decriminalization a provider or a client could be taken to small claims court for deposit scams or if a provider is not paid in full. Providers and clients could also openly discuss services and money which is severely frowned upon at this time.  In the midwest we are still seeing stings but they are targeted at clients only as it is now viewed that all sex workers are being trafficked and in need of help. I do not think COVID changed the industry as much as the passage of SESTA/FOSTA, but both started at around the same time so hard to say which one was worse for the industry. And we also need to be honest, a lot of providers are doing on line only at this point and there are not a lot of new gals joining the industry. I am 45 years old. 30 or 40 years ago there is no way I would have been able to complete with the 20 somethings in the industry. Are there better government benefits now for single moms? Less single moms in general because of better access to birth control and abortions? Less drug addiction/alcoholism with the younger generation so no need for survival sex work? I am sure these all play a part in less providers joining the in person industry.  And yes, I do think the "provider" scammers have increased exponentially. But it is not like they even have to rob you in person anymore. So much is done online and there is no way to track who the person/org that is doing the scamming. Do I encourage providers to screen clients? Of course, but on the flip side I know there are a ton of bad actors out there cosplaying as providers to steal client information and money. I don't think any of us have the answer at this point but providers and clients discussing the challenges I think is very good for the industry as a whole so we understand both perspectives.

He has already admitted such, and right here on this very board. He is constantly whining about women in this line of work. That tells me he has gotten wounded and hurt, but he wont tell us the why and the how; as is his want.  
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I happen to play in the very same city whose women he is moaning about constantly. I, and my many cyber friends who also play in NYC,  don't seem to have any of these issues, that he is apparently routinely subjected to. That doesn't mean every girl, in every occasion, is professional, reputable, etc as we all know there are scammers out there, but the overwhelming majority of them are trustworthy and responsible.  
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To make sweeping, wild generalizations like "providers don't care" is a sure sign of him being jaded, like I said, but it runs deeper than that; it would seem he doesn't do his due diligence. Men who do, rarely have issues that apparently happen to him on the regular.  
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This is an incredible lifestyle, filled with so many highs and joys, and yet all Eva seems to be able to do is find fault in it and complain about it, day after day, in post after post after post.  
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Many men can navigate these waters and rarely, if ever, get bitten by a shark. Sadly, it seems like Eva is the captain of the Orca, however.

Well that was for rocket but to answer you question you can call LE and they might actually investigate and bust the place. Seems like that is as much skin in the game as risking someone telling you family or employer -- at least you're not getting locked up for that. And one could threaten to report if some payment was not made -- good locations are hard to find and moving takes time and money.

"If providers were sharing PII would you?"

Come on man, you're better than that.

I see you are still the best John that ever lived, mr fisher.  And, holy cow, you understood the op’s question.  Stellar!  

I certainly understand why you don't want to be exposed here but it seems like the pot is calling the kettle black. Again.

There are plenty of stories about reputable, well-reviewed providers losing it unexpectedly. They'll suddenly start stealing deposits, doxing clients or lashing out in some way. It could be burn-out, mental health issues or drugs but sometimes providers will just lose it. You've heard other stories now you'll hear my story.
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I got harassed by a provider that didn't like a review I wrote. Overall it was very glowing and positive. She was using out of date photos and I was too honest about it for her liking. She blew up my phone for a few days, using a different number every time I blocked her. She was threatening to expose me, luckily I had used references instead of PI. She threatened to put me on every blacklist she knew. The harassment stopped once I got a lawyer and started hitting back. Lets just say it was stressful, expensive and scary. She was a well reviewed provider with a stellar reputation. Every review was 8+/8+. When anyone was asked about her they called her a "gem." Lots of people vouched for her. She eventually delisted. These days she constantly complains on social media. I did my homework and was careful. Maybe I missed some red flags. Maybe I was a bit too honest (I don't think so) but I didn't do anything wrong or malicious to her. I just caught a burnt out provider at the end of their rope. You can take every step possible to avoid danger but still run into it.  
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You may think your safe, Robert. I'll be honest you're kind of judgmental and think your shit doesn't stink. You do this weird thing where you avoid risk and then pretend the risk doesn't exist. I think it is a dangerous attitude. You may think you're doing everything right but all it takes is one bad appointment. I'll just say it could happen to you. As I and others have pointed out, some of your comments you make are objectifying and not very respectful. There's a chance one day you'll make an off color comment about a blow job that offends one of the twenty-something year old "friends" you fancy. She might decide to do something about it. There's a lot of partying in this scene. Some escort you see could have unknowingly developed a drug problem that suddenly becomes your problem. You're still playing with fire. There's plenty of chances for you to get burned. I used to think the same way you did. I thought I was safe because I took precautions and tried real hard to be a stellar client. I took providers at their word. I thought the guys that got burned deserved it. Then one day it happened to me. I don't think I'm the only one either. It seems like a lot of clients on boards are jaded or skeptical in some way.
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"Before you disrespect J-R-O-C. It could happen to you, 'cause it happened to me."
-J-Roc

I think SESTA/FOSTA was worse from the providers POV and COVID is was worse from the Client's POV. SESTA/FOSTA took a few review boards down but it had a larger effect on providers than it did on clients. Our websites and ad sites weren't being taken down. We weren't freaking out about getting locked out of payment systems or websites. COVID is worse from the clients POV because that is when prices went up, deposits became standard, screening became more invasive and providers pushed back against reviews. Its also when attitudes changed. I think Covid brought in a bunch of new clients that were flakey and the virus made existing clients kind of flakey. I understand why providers made changes and I can understand if they got burned out. However it has created opportunities for unscrupulous people and clients are easy marks. The client experience isn't as good as it was in 2019.
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I think Nina Hartley is the reason you are able to still work at 45. Nina pretty much invented the "MILF" porn category. Nina and Jennifer Coolidge got an entire generation of millennial men horny for older women. Providers your age have long been my favorite. First of all, you look sexy. Plus sexy isn't just about looks. You have a cool attitude and I like your personality. Every time you stand up to some guy on here it makes me want to bang the crap out of you. Every snarky joke or remark makes me want to ride your rubber cock. Unfortunately you are in Wisconsin. Maybe one day our paths will cross. Anyway back on topic. I think one reason why fewer women might be entering sex work is because there are fewer of them. Demographically speaking, Gen Z is smaller than the Baby Boomer, Gen X and Millennial generations. That could also be a reason.

First, my condolences. No one needs to go through the hell you have. And for a honest review that was glowing but merely mentioned old pics? Holy shit I'd be livid.  

Nice that you've dodged the actual question. If an escort is willing to provide (or for that matter the agency/booker) PII would you?

I literally answered that question. Literally.  

I had a guy PM one time about a review that was denied, and when I read it, I started laughing because in the juicy details section, he started out with kissing and groping and then said, "The rest is private between me and the lady."

Aw man. Not the phone number. Phone number is the same as pii. I think if you give me any phone number that isnt a burner I can find who you are relatively easy.

I don't understand the point of this counterfactual argument. No provider would ever share their personal information because it would put them at significant risk. I don't think the answer is for people to share a bunch of PI in the hopes some sort of Mutually Assured Destruction. I also don't understand your point about equality or morality. Aside from Rocket, I don't think anybody cares about that. Most people are pretty up front about worrying about their own safety and taking steps to protect themselves.

The hypothetical has nothing to do with suggesting people give out PII in the hopes that providers would. You're worse than rocket.

Going by his post, it’s rather plain he didn’t bother to ask for the reviews to be taken down. Let’s not kid ourselves, reviews only vanish when someone’s been properly booted. Banned, and the whole lot trots off behind them like loyal little ducklings.

For some unfathomable reason, this buffoon keeps coming back, unashamed, spouting bald-faced lies about several of us. I don't take kindly to that. So as long as he keeps running gut-first into my knife I'll keep twisting it.
And thanks for your support. I think you nailed it.

Actually, if I was getting reviewed,I'd collect as much PI on the potential reviewer as possible so that they wouldn't dare leaving anything but a stellar review.