I mean this question respectfully and I’m thinking more about the business aspects of the process. It is directed chiefly toward providers.  In a nutshell:  Why aren’t additional hours discounted more steeply?

When browsing through the “Rates” section of a provider’s website, it is very common to see a rate structure something like:

1 hour $300
2 hours $550
4 hour date $1000

In other words, after the first hour, additional hours are discounted only modestly.

However, it seems to me that much of the work (and stress) on the provider’s part involves:
(1)  attracting the right clientele (marketing and advertising)
(2)  screening a prospective client
(3)  traveling to the client’s location or providing a place to meet
(4)  assuming the risk that the client is less than desirable (drunk, unpleasant, dangerous, even LE)
(5)  assuming the risk that the client is a no-show
(6)  preparing oneself for the client’s visit

The point is that virtually none of these factors scale with the number of hours--but they do multiply as the NUMBER of CLIENTS!  In other words, I'm imagining that there is a lot more work on the part of the provider if seeing 4 clients for 1 hour each, than seeing one client for four hours.  That difference doesn’t seem to be reflected in typical pricing.

The standard response is, “You are paying for my time.”  Many professionals charge by the hour and it may seem unseemly to discount.

In reality, even lawyers and accountants will often discount heavily for commitments of extended employment.  But a big difference is that a lawyer or accountant expects to be productive 8-10 hours a day, day after day, cranking out “product.”  Organizations arise to keep them busy by bringing in new clients.  The provider analog is a high-volume brothel.  Here, “an hour is an hour,” may make economic sense.

However, for most providers that frequent this board, I doubt that this makes the same kind of sense.  I suspect that very few independent providers book themselves 8-10 hours per day on a regular basis--certainly not with 8-10 different clients.

Sorry.  This has been a long preface to two simple questions for providers:

(A)  Is not a multi-hour appointment with the same client preferable to multiple clients over a similar time period?

(B)  Why not offer more economic incentive for longer appointments?

I sincerely hope that these questions are not interpreted as critical or campaigning for a Super Size Model for provider pricing.  I value a provider’s time and I’m willing to compensate her for it.  I suspect that I am missing something.  Perhaps multi-hour appointments have their own downside for providers.  I would like to be enlightened.

Thanks in advance.

Jack

I prefer getting to kmow someone, thus I discount.  What type of discount is reasonable in your eyes?

I think a 20-25% discount for long term repeat clients is reasonable. Also, after the 1st hour, if it has gone well and you want to see the guy again, a severe price cut offer (at least 1/2 price) for the next hour(s) would be one hell of a marketing tool. Especially if the subsequent hour(s) are spent in a little less intense manner. And what would be wrong with a little free extra time thrown in when the session has gone exceptionally well? I most enjoy escorts who are not clock watchers - makes me want to go back. I realize the $'s for your time are important, but I think some of the most successful women manage to make you forget about the money aspect.

Every lady is different and has her own set of rules with regards to discounting.  I do think that more ladies do provide discounts, but do not think they are open to advertising them or in laying out a criteria for those discounts.  

In every endeavor there will be those less than stellar individuals that know if there is something to be gained then will take advantage of it in the most negative way.  I don't know if it is fact, but tend to think it is more so in this endeavor than anything else or at least it feels that way.

For example, it is known that I am not a clock watcher.  That reputation is great, but do have the problem of gents that will book and try and take that to the extreme because of it.  There comes a point in which it is obvious what the intentions are.  Don't book an hour and expect to stay two.  That is not fair either.

If a lady advertised discount criteria, then there isn't any doubt that dreadge would crawl out of the wood work to take full advantage and so IMHO believe that is why those criteria are not advertised and kept close to the cuff.  There are enough nuts to worry about with just the basics that is there already.


Lauren

Agree they shouldn't advertise discounts to openly or the scuzballs would try to take advantage. My thought is to only offer them to repeater and that the "freebies" be added on only after special "fun" during that specific session. Opinion?

Speaking for myself, if I saw that the 2nd hour was half the price of the first (for example, 1 hour $300, 2 hours $450) I would very likely go for two.  Especially with a provider that I hadn't previously seen, I would think to myself, "If you really enjoy the first hour, you're going to kick yourself for passing up that great rate for the second."

Business-wise, a provider probably should not permit on-the-spot extensions (e.g., booking for 1 hour, at the end of which the client requests additional time at the discount rate).  I can see how that could easily be abused.

Lauren,

I was talking only about discounting the hourly rate for extended sessions.  The longer the session booked, the better the average hourly rate.  I'm just surprised that the prevailing (not everyone, of course) rate structure doesn't offer more incentive to "upgrade" the experience with a longer encounter.

That she did not like to discount verymuch for the second hour because two hours means the expectation of two pops. We all know that the second pop takes longer than the first. Hence: harder work for the provider. She said that a two hour seession left her too sore to take another client on the same day and sometimes into the next day. Thus the second discounted hour could cost her two full hours of income. Not everyone feels this way and of course, a lot depends on the client.

is to charge $300 for a 1-hour session, $400 for a 90 minute session, $500 for a 2-hour session, $700 for a 3-hour session. This works out to $100 for the session plus $200 per hour for the first three hours. Since time beyond 3 hours is usually what might be called "social time" the marginal rate may drop to $100 per hour for time past three hours (i.e., $800 for a 4-hour session, $1000 for a 6-hour session).

These are rates that encourage me to book a session that is longer than one-hour. I won't book longer sessions at a flat hourly rate.

Interestingly enough the more expensive escorts tend to reduce their rates for long sessions less. An escort charging $400 for the first hour usually charges $700 for a two-hour session, which is the same dollar reduction and not the same percentage reduction.

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I have never been to the discussion board but this is one I couldn't pass up. I think I am totally reasonable about my time and the money aspect. I much prefer to see the same men over and over and for longer periods because I am more relaxed(I have been told there has been discussion on my energy level)and I get more open sexually the more relaxed I am. What happens with me is that since I am so laid back about this, I get taken advantage of. Do you know how irritating it is, to be a sexy, cool, no rush kinda gal and get so and so amount of money and then the same guy witll see Ms. Ice Princess and pay her double for half the time. I applaud those girls who can ask for, demand, and get the high dollar but I don't applaud the men who don't distinguish the fact that just because you charge the high dollar that you are a better breed of provider.  I tend to have a hard time with the money issue since I enjoy what I do. But I think the men fail to see how much bullshit also goes along with planning and executing these dates. I tell people sorry, you gotta pay for the schmos who waste my time and run me ragged and not even book an appt. Okay I am rambling. I will stay away from the message board.  DOnt they have a limit to the amount you can say, bad move on their part. Anyways, it is the men who recognize and appreciate the no rush atmosphere I give that encourage me to offer them big discounts.  The funny thing is, they usually give me the original agreed upon price.  Thanks guys, you know who you are, nobody likes to feel like they are taken advantage of and I do appreciate what you do. Peace and safety to you all.   stephie

would lead to more overall income.  The four hour session to be a dinner date followed by "desert".

I don't know of a single lady who will give four times the amount of time for twice the money. This is equivalent to saying that the price should increase as the square root of the time. Or, writing an equation (you knew I couldn't resist, didn't you?) we have:

  price_in_dollars := k * (time_in_hours ^ n)

where '^' is the power (exponentiation) operator.

In Los Angeles k is generally in the $225 to $450 range.

You would like n to be 0.5. As I said, good luck in talking ladies into it.

As a matter of fact the equation does roughly describe the price curve used by a lot of LA ladies, but n runs from about 0.667 (eight times the amount of time for four times the money) to 1.0 (no decrease in hourly rate as time increases).

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--as Hamlet saith.  And no, I am most certainly not into whipping.  I suspect what was meant was "dessert," no?

two girls, all things being equal who would you be more likely to go with?

Girl A  1 hour $400 2 hours $700
Girl B 1 hour $500 2 hours $700

You are only looking for one hour, would you be more inclined to do the 2 with Girl B or would you chose Girl A and stick with the one, remember all things being equal.

Thanks

You have stated "all things being equal" so let's rephrase it slightly. Girl is offering three different sessions: (1) 1-hour at $400, (2) 1-hour at $500, and (3) 2-hours at $700.

The choice between (1) and (2) is an obvious no-brainer. (Well, it might not be in Las Vegas. According to posts on this board in the past a lady may attract more clients there by raising her 1-hour price.) However, I'm not in Las Vegas and if offered the choice between (1) and (2) I would pick (1) without hesitation.

The choice between (3) and the others is more interesting. If I don't have $700 but do have $400 or $500 I either pick (1) or (2) or do without -- there really isn't a choice. So let's assume I have $700 to spend.

My personal rule-of-thumb, which I don't always follow, is -- all other things being equal -- to pick the 1-hour session if it is less than about 60% to 63% of the 2-hour session and pick the 2-hour session otherwise. In this case 60% to 63% of $700 is $420 to $441. I would pick session (1) in preference to session (3) since session (1) is clearly below this range but would pick session (3) in preference to session (2) since session (2) is clearly above this range.

To go back to the original question. With Girl A I would pick the 1-hour session. With Girl B I would pick the 2-hour session (even if she dropped the price of the 1-hour session to $450). Or if I was really looking for a 1-hour session come hell or high water I would do a 1-hour session with Girl A and not see Girl B at all.

This is just my personal decision procedure, of course. I am sure that others would decide the question differently.


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Since I will typically book 2 hours (or more) all things are still equal in your scenario.  That said, I would probably book, if I only had one hour of time, with the 400/hour lady, assuming again that all things were equal (like identical twin sisters?).  Reason:  I am hard pressed to believe that rate drives performance.  I see 3 providers I would classify as ATF's, and the most costly of the 3 goes at 350/hour (600/2 hours).  And this is in NYC, a more expensive venue than most.  I do from time to time visit providers in that higher range, and frankly I have yet to experience, in 30+ years of hobbying, any provider @500 that is better than any provider @400.  Again, this is all subjective.

With that said, all things are really never equal, in my opinion.  In this very subjective hobby, you can look at web sites, read reviews, and look at photos, and you will find some subjective differences to help drive your decision.

And I will reiterate my original statement and ask that you see Rowdyone's post under mine.  The gents are not behind the scenes to see the daily going on's.  There are discounts to be had, but they are not advertised because of the less than stellar monsters out there that will take advantage every which way they can.  These monsters do not fit my criteria, nor any other reputable provider.  Sell yourself on the cheap and they come out of the woodwork and that is what one is stuck with.  Those credants end up costing more than it is worth.  That is the business aspect and accounts for the structure that is in place.  It helps in weeding out those monsters.  I would rather spend my hour with my head in a toilet bowl then be with those kinds of gents.

Since tastes vary among men and women, it is important that those tastes between two individuals match in order to have a fulfilling time.  I am not looking for someone that just wants to (excuse the crudeness) pop a nut.  It leaves for a horrible experience with me.  Once initial contact is made and a perfect match made in which I am sure that we connect, then a structure such as what you are refering to may come into play depending on the scenario.

Can you imagine the response a lady would get if she said, of course I would spend two hours with you for the price of one sight unseen?  The monsters would be jumping for joy.

Unfortunate reality is, in this biz anyway, that the gents willing to pay top dollar tend to be the gents that I am most comfortable with....for they are by all definitions of the word....Gentlemen!  And believe me, and do think I can speak for most of the ladies, once I see that a gent wants what I want, the basic monetary structure that is seen on each every website...changes for certain individuals.  

Lauren

Alright, I think that I now understand.  Part of the reasoning behind existing prevailing price structure is that:

(1)  It sets a $$$ barrier for initial contact to filter wild-men and bargain hunters.  I can see that advertised heavy discounting could be interpreted by the wrong guy as a kind of weakness or desperation, attracting the guy with (at best) a chip on his shoulder.

(2)  If a client turns out to be the kind of person that you don't mind spending extended time with, one might privately adapt pricing to encourage longer interludes while still receiving reasonable compensation for your time.

Perhaps I'm slow, but not impenetrable...

Thanks,

Jack

I am seeing a lady for a two day trip in Vegas (apx 48 hrs) for a 3k donation. Her rates are 300/1, 500/2, 700/3. The last time we did this we spent probably 10-12 hours of the total time behind closed doors.

The rest of the time we were at the pool, sight seeing, eating, gambling, partying with friends in our penthouse suite, etc. I covered everything with the exception of her 300$ airfare. To arrive at this 3k figure, I estimated how many clients she'd see over a similar period, what her meals and hotel would cost, and other incidental travel expenses(I set up limo service for her to and from the airport).

Personally I think this deal is extremely fair for both of us. We enjoy each others comapny, and get to party in Vegas together for two days. MfSD.

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For example, I think that it only makes sense if the lady is one who can stimulate you in ways that are not purely physical.

My favorite provider ever (now retired) used to charge $400 for the 1st hour, $200 for the second, and $100 for each hour thereafter until her daily rate kicked in beyond 12 hours.  The result was exactly what you hypothesized - Most of her sessions were booked for 4-8 hours or more, and she was known to provide courtesan-style services.

It also had a couple of side benefits to her:  1st off, she completely filtered out the clientele that had to scrape together a couple of month's discretionary funds to get $250-300 together for an appointment, and within THAT rate structure, she was always on heightened alert when someone STILL only wanted to book an hour, that they were much more likely to be LE

I have tried short appointments 2-3 hours and they are not worth it. I like for a mininum of 4 hours and over night. You get better quality time for more hours. You don't feel like you are rushed. Get to take your time.

You ask a good question.  The way I see it, is that when someone wants just an hour, you know it will be very little small talk and a virtual "wham, bam, thank you ma'am".  However, when you get into more hours, there is more conversation, activity and may involve more than one time of "complete satisfaction".  So to me that is why the rate is more increased as hours go.  I believe that if you are someone that calls upon me more than once, then a discount can be offered.