At my age I can't last an entire hour even with the aid of the little blue pill, so to save time and money I only schedule providers offering half hour sessions. it seems to be more available with foreign/minority providers.
Amazing how much the price of pussy has gone up since the pandemic. I am at a point now that whenever I jerk off I feel like I have saved over $700. Anybody else feel the same way?
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I mostly see gals that I've known for years and haven't raised prices to me, so when I pound one out it's only a 300-$400 savings.
their rates but have grandfathered in their grandfather customers. Lol
But I cant argue the pricing. It is astounding what has happened. Many guys are demoralized or in a state of shock. There are still some fine choices, near me at least, in the $400 range but they are becoming few and far between.
I think we both tend the value the companionship of escorting. Do you still find this need getting met?
In my opinion, the increase in prices has been accompanied by a decline in the quality of service and a degradation of the customer experience. That's the big issue, the product is getting worse. It used to be easy to find a well reviewed independent provider and the booking process was a breeze. These days the providers don't want reviews and the booking process is a pain in the ass, if not impossible. Appointments were always a blast. These days there are too many burnt out providers with bad attitudes, resentment and a sense of entitlement. Providers these days want to get paid to be a high end escort without doing the job of a high end escort.
I understand why providers made changes to their business practices. I went along with it but I'm less inclined to these days. Its just not worth it anymore and there are other places to get my needs met.
I still have so many great choices within a certain radius of my home but that radius has had to extend further now than it ever has for sure. I am traveling further, or paying women further to travel to me, so my costs continue to rise not JUST due to a women's rate, but due to transportation costs as well.
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I have been fortunate to avoid "burnt out providers with bad attitudes, resentment and a sense of entitlement" as I screen out those women in my research. There are still so many great women out there who fill most or all of my needs but the pool to choose from is rapidly shrinking.
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I think I will be ok for a while but the mid and long term outlook for me in this lifestyle is rather bleak, unless there is somehow a metamorphosis coming that hasn't reached my radar yet.
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What I really crave is a woman who will spend considerable time with me, and possibly over dinner, as that is where the real companionship comes from that I crave. But dinner dates with women I am attracted to can now be 3-4k, where as they were $1500 or so just 3-4 years ago.
I have reduced my frequency of seeing providers due to ALL of the issues you noted. It does make finding one to see more of a challenge. I don't have any desire to pay to put up with that nonsense. Just more money staying in my account.
My personal experience is that there's not much added value to me when seeing providers who charge rates over $400/hr. The experiences tend to be the same or more lackluster when compared to those charging slightly less.
If it was just about ejaculating maybe, but it’s not. So I see the two as separate. I will say when prices were closer to $300 if it wasn’t what I was hoping, I got over it a lot easier. When I drop $600/$700, if it’s unsatisfactory, I feel a lot worse about it and question why I keep doing it.
Put me in this boat as well. It would be a bit like thinking i've just saves $50 (or even $100 at some) by eatting a hamberger from one of the fast food places versus having a steak in a better steakhouse.
So a bit of an apples-oranges comparison.
And just like that, another complaint about the price of P4P.
Here I thought we might be able to get through a whole 2 weeks. Silly wabbit.
It is something that has caused many men to leave the lifestyle, or drastically cut it back, and then not get that much needed "connection" or human interaction they so desperately need. Complaining is a way of coping and getting through a difficult time. Many women were bitterly complaining about how their business collapsed when Covid came marching in the door, and rightfully so.
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Discussing it openly and publicly was a way for them to reach out and hear other women discussing similar experiences so they didn't feel like they were all alone. Now they may have done it elsewhere, like a women's only forum somewhere, or on twitter maybe, but they did do it. Many of my provider friends complained to me privately as well.
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Remember it isn't just pricing that is a child of Sesta/Fosta and Covid, but a lack of verifiable women as well. Many providers have started using OF as their website and many others have rebuffed "review culture" thus making it tougher than ever to find a woman that can meet all or most of their needs. So it isnt JUST more money, as that issue is also coupled with more uncertainty about compatibility, which is due to the lack of info we are now privy to in a post 2018-19 world.
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There are a lot of topics that get recycled here often. Penis length comes to mind. lol. But pricing OPs just dont bother me at all. In fact I think they are vital and necessary, at least for the time being. This has been a tough time for many of us so I have a lot more sympathy and patience for these type of thread starters than others.
Sure, some people might feel better after venting. I do it from time to time.
But I also remind myself that what we're doing here is the very definition of a luxury; and a largely illegal one at that. What we're talking about here is not food, shelter or a decent job. It's playtime. Now if this is someone's main form of sexual or romantic contact, I feel bad for them, but not about pricing--I lament that this has such a central place in that person's life. I'm not sure P4P is the best means of developing such relationships. For those that choose to make it so, well, good luck.
For those of us that don't, I continue to be of a mind that this is about getting laid for pleasure. Like taking a trip to Paris or spending a weekend in wine country, it's a luxury; and that entertainment comes at a price. Shit--Disneyland tickets cost a small fortune now and Southwest Airlines ticket prices to Vegas are no longer bargain basement. And as a result, lots of people find other ways to entertain themselves. There are many indulgences we can't afford, and others we can. There are substitutes for the more expensive experiences, if we take the time to look for them. But none of us are owed or promised or entitled to a specific price for a fun excursion.
So I see little value in bellyaching over what is essentially an extravagance. I can't afford--or at least I refuse to engage--the ladies who demand $1500 and up for an hour of their time. And what have I lost? Nothing that I can't live without.
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But to me, it is easy to just turn my eye to things here I don't wish to view. I didn't participate in the dick sized thread, as an example. lol. I am certainly not going to tell you what you see, or don't see, value in. That is your decision of course.
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I just have no issue if someone here wants to bemoan something that has drastically changed their lives and their fun to such a degree as this topic. That is a hard pill to swallow for most and "bellyaching" about it is just a normal human reaction to something when that something turns negative in their life.
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To use Covid as an example, in our own personal, RW experiences, and not referring to this lifestyle, I am sure many people bellyached to you, and you to them, as you lamented the fact you could no longer go to your favorite restaurant or go to that much needed vacation spot you so cherish, etc. I know I did. I just think it is healthy to vent about these things.
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I don't view this realm as a "luxury" so maybe that is where we differ. I view human touch and companionship with beautiful women as a necessity. I am very fortunate I can afford it but even I have had to make concessions.
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I appreciate your take and your opposing view so thank you for it Helix!
I didn't bemoan the closing of restaurants and movies during the pandemic. I realized it was simply the reality. Just as I realize that things cost what they cost and that always was and will be the case.
And I don't deny that human touch is a basic need. But there is no credible argument that P4P is some sort of right to which we're entitled--there are other ways to meet that need. The need for human connection does not ineluctably translate to a need for P4P. Women could decide to stop offering sex--ahem, I mean companionship--for money tomorrow. And there's nothing we could do about it. Except maybe try to get laid IRL. I can say from experience it does actually happen.
You're right that people can complain about anything they want. Including the oversaturation of complaints about pricing.
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Hi Robert, when you say "Many Providers have started using OF as their website", just what is OF?
Thanks in advance!
It is a site where you have to pay to enable you to see it but it's not like a traditional website at all. It has photos, video and commentary but you need a monthly subscription to it to gain access.
Aha I see, thanks Robert.....yes I am obviously familiar with Only Fans! I just didn't grasp the connection to all this, but ONLY FANS actually makes a lot of sense from both the Provider/Companion's stand point, and the client/customer.
I guess the next question would be, how does your average everyday existing customer such as yourself, and a relative "newbie" like me first get the notion to even look up or go to a specific provider's Only Fans website in the first place? And once you are there, how would you make a hassle free, timely decision to purchase the up front cost of the OF subscription? If you are simply in the search phase of finding a companion to pay for her time, it seems you might have to pay a lot of up front nominal subscription fees to do your homework, no? That's kind of a turnoff, because right now, with all the different websites in all facets of life requiring accounts with passwords etc, this is already crazy, confused and saturated ( I have a list of all my passwords and online accounts from personal finance, to medical, to shopping, to professional, etc.) I don't know if you grasp my point general.....I hope Only Fans providers find a way where someone can at least find out enough SPECIFICS about them to further generate interest without having to formally setup and/or buy a subscription.
This whole topic discussion has MAJOR sprawl potential, it encompasses so many different aspects and topics and application in everyday life that it's impossible to keep it focused in one direction. Since I have only recently begun even getting back into "the game" perhaps my perspective and input might simply represent the unjaded, fresh perspective that others might find helpful....i KNOW that experienced men such as yourself and many others here have patiently helped me already!
To my mind, I am only interested in longer "dates" to begin with.....I do not want a 2, or even 3 hour hotel room session where it seems like the primary (perhaps ONLY) objective is to ejaculate as much, and in the specific manner, the man desires. 4 hours and up is only what I am looking for, for many reasons. Please note, I have ZERO problem or disdain for whatever other people want or choose to do.....I can definitely see the perspective of someone who chooses a two hour intense "fire drill" where they want to achieve climax in rapid succession. When I was in my 20s & early 30s I could get into that. But I'm 56 now & disabled, (different needs and different desires, different goals.) I can satisfy (temporarily) my need for real connection and companionship with a extended or even overnight session with a woman I know wants to be with me.....
On the other hand, even dinner dates and overnight sessions would seem to present challenges to my personal predilections and goals. Take dinner for example: If you are in a restaurant, even the quietest most intimate and private setting within a restaurant, there is only so much you can say and discuss out loud in demonstrable and explicit terms without creating problems. Plus, speaking only for myself, I don't like talking and eating at the same time (it's actually kinda unhealthy and even dangerous.....quite a few people die choking on food each year and talking "with your mouth full" is really really bad manners. See, GRANDMAMA was right! (I just realize the innuendo and imagery I probably just conjured with the statement "Talking with your mouth full....my bad....or my "good", I dunno.....)
Perhaps the way around some of this is to invest more often, in the up front meet & greet that others talk about sometimes.....you need to do the meeting/greeting in a reasonably private, secure place where frank & honest discussion is possible. Both the provider and client would need to be reasonable in the specific parameter$ & time about this meet & greet activity.....but look at it as prospecting for investment opportunities. In real life, you research and check out a Hedge Fund or Index Fund before you park/deposit your funds, correct? This research beforehand has at the very least some opportunity costs....you would never just PLOP a chunk of money into a fund without doing your homework (or I would hope not.) There are simply NO surefire things in this world.
So remember kids, don't talk with your mouth full....
On Tryst, there is a spot for her website and in that spot many, mostly newer girls, put their OF link there. I have no issues with them having OF as that is none of my business, but if a woman does not have a website, I will not contact her (unless I have info about a UTR from a trusted source.)
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The standard website will possess valuable info that OF will not, such as verification requirements, deposit details, and a view into her professionalism and personality. I will never pay for a subscription to any woman's OF page, but that is just me.
I really hate when they have escort ads for the sole purpose of advertising their OF page. Like you, I don’t mind if they have an OF page. Nor that they advertise it. But if they are selling escort services, I shouldn’t have to pay for OF to communicate with them. Odds are if I do, they got me like a sucker because their is no actual escorting being done.
Any escort ad that encourages you to reach out to them via only fans is an obvious fake/scam. Only Fans strictly prohibits using the platform for escorting. Any messages about meeting up or references to escort sites will get deleted. OF girls who escort are very hesitant to talk about it on there because they don't want to get banned from the platform. At best you can make hints.
providers who wanted your email or phone number in order to access their photo gallery, only to find out they are 30-40 pounds overweight. These are an automatic pass for me, because password-protected websites are not allowed when posting reviews. OF is the latest extension of this concept. You pay a fee in order to look at an ad, in order to decide if you want to request an appointment to see her. To my knowledge, no one is yet offering to apply the OF fee to the price of a session if you go ahead and book, probably because, as you point out, many are not real escorts, just hucksters.
If the topic offends you, scroll to the next thread. Is it that hard, obviously it is for you.
I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused.
The original poster is pretty funny, but also has an interesting point.
I am 56 years old, and majored in Government (with a minor in economics)....as a client/customer I am new to the modern (post 2009 Great Recession) "Provider/Escort" market....(I did have a relationship with 2 escorts back during the period 1998 thru 2006.....the world and the scene was dramatically different back then....few escorts DFK or did GREEK, and fewer had CIM/swallowed) With today's market, It's the simple law of supply and demand......and the product ("Sex") has both elastic and in-elastic properties but is ultimately more In-elastic (that means the demand for it remains the same regardless of what the prices for it do.)
2009's recession and the stunted, skewed recovery that has followed the past 15 years changed everything.....it accelerated the vast gap in wealth between the richest 10% and everyone else, and even more so the richest 1% and everyone else. Today's wealthy american male demographic utilizes "Escorts/Providers/Courtesans" etc like never before.....the stigma and perceived risk is greatly diminished in the perception of a larger swath of society than ever before. You can thank the Porn Industry since 1999 (which has always led the way in the ever evolving sexual proclivities of society, especially the younger generations who grew up with the internet.) Young men since 1999 who grew up masturbating to the pornography that now saturates the internet have these desires hardwired into their psyche, and now NEED to continue to satisfy these desires. There are now a huge number of men between the ages of 25 & 45 who absolutely need to satisfy these hardwired desires with a level and frequency many typical marriages and monogamous relationships cannot accommodate (for a whole multitude of reasons.....again In-elastic)
The demand for providers/escorts who do things (with gusto) like DFK, CIM (especially swallow), Greek, Russian etc is extremely high due to all these porn addled males needing it.....that is why the prices keep going up, because the demand is not yet at the point of intersection with supply.
I could go on in greater detail about a number of secondary points and drivers, but bottom line these girls charge what they charge....because they can! The only thing that would change it at this juncture is if every paying male, including the uber wealthy, simply decided to say "Nyet". The AI revolution is coming though, so hang in there.....soon there will be "Sex Dolls" who look and act like Mia Malkova and will sense a rise in your blood pressure and without being prompted, kneel before you with their mouth open and tongue out saying the things you need to hear....all at a reasonable (ONE TIME) price.
Indeed, in San Diego { where I currently reside } , the price of punani
has increased.
Many factors are attributed to the heightened expense.
Firstly, exorbitant costs for monthly rents for an apartment, as one
needs an "Incall" location that is appealing, safe and discreet:
{ a small studio with gated parking is around $2000+ /mo.,
1 bedroom approx. $2800 - $3400+ /mo. }
Monthly mortgages with an average of 20% down exceeds $7000+ /mo.
for a small house, 25 minutes from the beach.
Do you need Cable TV/Internet?
This service averages $170/mo. {no frills, no "Netflix", nor "Espn"} :{
0ther utilities = $400+ /mo.
Hotels for the vistor or for the Escort to have a swanky "Incall", have always
been exorbitant in San Diego due to the supposed year-round "warm sun,
sand and surf" { though the sunshine has curiously been lacking this last year
2023 - 2024 }.
Depending on locality, a "nice" hotel room is minimum $400/nt. and upwards,
with a "posh", upscale hotel room being $600++.
Additionally, groceries and essentials have equally sky-rocketed...
1 pound of green grapes (non-organic) is $7, a 24-pk of bottled drinking
H2o is $8 and a 12-pack of 2-ply toilet paper is now $25...Wtf?!
Throw in the constant gouging of San Diego gas prices....$6++ for Premium,
and $50 for a "basic" lube job....{no, NOT that kind lol}
Us ladies need to maintain our presentation at all times;
Basic weekly Mani/Pedi = $100 { includes tip }
Weekly Professional Coiffure = $100 " "
Bi-Monthly Hair Color Touch-Up = $600 " "
Bi-Monthly Waxing = $300
4-x Annually Teeth Cleaning = $1000
{ This isn't even the entire "Personal Care" list }
Are you exhausted yet? Yeah, me too!
Please attempt to relax with an evening of dining out at a medium-priced
restaurant....$35/per plate minimum, no sides; no beverages, no starters, nor
accoutrements, and definitely not even a "Happy Ending" { Dessert }!
Craving a fast-food meal instead, if you're into that?
It's $16 - $20, because "hey, why not really stick-it-to-us"?!
Finally, I've not even touched upon other monthly fixed expenses too numerous
to mention, which most of us have to endure....
0h yeah, by the way "punani" is a delicacy with a varied price tag of money and
time, which should be chosen with discernment as one is financially comfortable.
Good Luck To You Sir. 
Warmest Regards,
Angelina Jones
Exactly. This is the reality we have.
That was an excellent post by Angelina, very enlightening about what typical providers must account for in determining their price. She broke her costs down to a level of detail the average client probably does not even remotely consider....well done, and thank you for sharing. (as I stated previously, I myself just joined this website/board last week, and started posting yesterday; I had originally purchased the VIP membership because I had nothing/no one to "review".....I wanted to see what this site has to offer and how it works.) Now that I know we actually get interaction & input from Providers, I believe I may hang around a while linger
Angelina, although I am now residing back east in New England, I used to live in California (1992 thru 2008/2009), in both Los Angeles and San Francisco. Sometimes I would find myself in San Diego, which was the absolute best in terms of year round climate. I found the general cost of living in San Diego to be on par with Los Angeles, but less than San Francisco (by a lot). Again, this was all BEFORE the 2008 great recession.....the problem with inflationary pressures on expenses that Angelina detailed is they can be extremely destructive overall to not only simple profits, but the Quality and Utility of these services provided. When pressure exists to cut costs, in general quality always suffers in the short term, usually in a cascading fashion. The total time (and the energy required) spent always looking for better cost effective preparatory stuff, looking for cheaper living and hosting arrangements etc, is time that is lost to other more enjoyable and beneficial pursuits. This in turn, has an (often subtle) negative impact on a provider's countenance when she meets her clients....afterall, what makes these amazing women able to perform for the average man (with all the potential faults and unpleasant characteristics that we men, intentional and unintentional, can have) is knowing that they are making a healthy profit......Yes I know, many of these ladies do "enjoy" what they do, and they should, but let's be honest, it is all driven by the business model behind the whole Provider/GFE Industry.
Hmmm... have you considered that customers are also subject to most of these?
Providers aren't the only ones hit by inflation. Inflation hits clients the same amount. Mongers too pay rent... mongers too buy food, mongers also go to get teeth cleaned. And so on and so forth.
Aside from health insurance that is paid by the employer - and admittedly I have no idea how providers in the US can survive if God forbid something serious happens to them and they have no health unsurance, this country's Healthcare system is evil - mongers incur similar expenses.
Unlike providers though, many jobs merit increase is lower than inflation rate. Where a provider can get easily raise the prices by a cool 35% over a year, many employees have to be content with 2 to 4% annual merit increases that don't even cover inflation.
As a result, some mongers do feel priced out. I agree that they shouldn't feel entitled to have pussy to buy cheaply, but I also think the feeling of being priced out can be related to.
I also imagine it doesn't feel great if the provider says to their customers who supported them throughout the years but now can't afford to seem them, that they're cheap. It's just gaslighting the whole thing further imo. Not saying that all or even most providers do, but definitely seen a few express this sentiment on social media.
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Of course I am sure he understands that, and has experienced that as do we all. He was just commenting on a very detailed post about why rates have risen. I think it is a good thing that clients see posts like that from Angelina so they can better understand an issue from a providers POV.
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That said, it doesn't mean we have to like the increases as I certainly dont. And to be fair, she actually did mention rising costs that we all, not JUST providers, have to endure so her post did have some balance in it.
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As for the HC system in the US being "evil", I just think that is a silly take. It is perfect? No, far from it but to label the whole system, one in which saves numerous lives every day while producing the most advanced care in the world, "evil" is grossly misinformed.
Angelina's post had nothing about client expenses at all.
In Guss post he said - which I quoted in my post title, that customers might not have considered providers expenses. He hasn't said anything about clients having same expenses.
Hence me asking if he realized many customers have the same expenses for same things, so how can they not realize it?
Does that answer your question? It's a weird question. The answer should have been self-explanatory.
As far as health care, this is off tangent but... well maybe evil is the wrong word, let's call it a racket. I don't know about you, but I have received bills for health care in several different countries. When I see a bill for an MRI that has the initial cost of a small car, I always think what the hell would happen to a seriusly sick person if they didn't have insurance.
"Yes I know, many of these ladies do "enjoy" what they do,
and they should, but let's be honest, it is all driven by the
business model behind the whole Provider/GFE Industry."
~ @Gus_n_MollyPugs
Thank you for your kindest compliment and thoughtful reply
@Gus_n_MollyPugs regarding my post about the cost of P4P.
{ Please check your personal Email Asap }
I too resided in San Francisco, { Nob Hill }, { Pacific Heights }, and prior,
in the East Bay; 0rinda, Lafayette, Walnut Creek, Pleasant Hill and in
the 0akland Hills.
Real Estate prices, rents, utilities, and gas prices in San Diego, in the last
10+ years have now surpassed even the exorbitant cost of residing in
San Francisco and supposedly even New York, as dictated by a most recent
survey:
"San Diego ranked No. 1 as the most expensive city in the nation to live,
according to a 2023-2024 "U.S. News" analysis of the 150 largest metropolitan
areas in the U.S." ~ May 9, 2024
Since I restarted seeing kgirls, I realized what a bargain they are at the rates they charge. But that's for another forum, lol. I also routinely explore other options such as massage parlors and stripclubs. If your only goal is getting off, then there are alternatives to traditional escorts. But you really can't beat the chemistry connection with some escorts that you usually don't find in other venues, and if that's what you crave then you just gotta suck it up and pay the price 🤷♀️
Agree with the point, which for me is why kgirls fall in the middle. They’re more than just getting off, but for me I don’t connect with them as well as someone who’s native language is English.
You can still find girls with decent price points. It just takes a lot of patience and ingenuity. Using other review boards besides this one helps a lot. Talking to girls extensively. A lot of them have a friend of a friend who is under the radar, starting out. These kinds of girls tend to be super hot and affordable because they don't advertise, have second jobs, speak another language, etc. Some of these girls are semi-independent and can by pried away from their agency or rather you can see them under the table. Sometimes dealing with a middle man causes the rates to be inflated somewhat. Utilizing "all you can eat AMPs" helps a lot too. There are definitely affordable girls out there if you know where to look.
Sounds crazy. Some have sold stocks and stock funds and put into money market rates in retirement accounts. They are using the interest generated every month to hobby, they continue to work. When the market crashes they will stop and put the capital back to work in the stock market and cut back in the hobby.
Others are using military retirements to hobby and continue to work.
I agree. While jacking off obviously doesn’t satisfy the desire for companionship and the feeling of the real thing, it certainly eliminates the desire to see an escort (at least for that day). I’ve had the exact same thought cross my mind.
I don’t mind dropping 600-700/hr for an outstanding experience with an established well reviewed provider. There are even times when I’ve seen someone at that price point, and they were so good that I felt I got a bargain. I think some of the newer providers seem to think they can set their prices based on what established ladies charge. Where I live there are some morbidly obese and unattractive women advertising for 500/hr. There are a few asking for 1k/hr— ladies with no reviews and no internet presence. While their self-confidence is admirable, their prices are clearly outrageous.
Due to some health issues and age I can't perform to the point where it's worth the money to pay these rates. Sometimes I feel like I'm paying for daty only. Lol
As we oldsters know, time is the only true enemy.
But, consistent with your handle (greatest rock and roll song ever), maybe you can still sell your soul for a few more years of good play.
At my age I can't last an entire hour even with the aid of the little blue pill, so to save time and money I only schedule providers offering half hour sessions. it seems to be more available with foreign/minority providers.
Trendfollower,
I believe that all Providers & Hobbyists wanna save money. Providers want to save money on traveling (Buses, Taxi & Etc) as well as hotel & Motels. This question is for the Hobbyists. How can you tell a Provider to save money on a Motel or Hotel just so you (The Hobbyists) can get the sexual satisfaction?!!
On the flip, sometimes after shelling out the hourly fee, the experience was NO better than choking the chicken. I can definitely see your $700 point, especially if you see escorts once or more a week. Regulars are also not included, because you know what you're going to get.
I don’t mind paying the high donations, if the provider is good, but I know providers who are okay who charge 600.00 and is not GFE providers, I have paid 1400- 1800 for a hour before, but the providers was well worth it, I feel like non GFE providers shouldn’t charge no more then 300.00 for the hour, I have always said for a lady to share her precious body with a total stranger you can’t put a price tag on that but I also feel like the non GFE providers want to get paid the same as the GFE provider, in other words do less work for the same pay which is usually the younger new providers.
Amazing how much the price of pussy has gone up since the pandemic. I am at a point now that whenever I jerk off I feel like I have saved over $700. Anybody else feel the same way?
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So let's see...
At $700 an hour for the entertainment, it seems that most older men can cum only once. So the math works out to about $700 per ounce of cum. It's got to be the most expensive fluid on the planet. Thats a bit pricey don't you think? Unless you can actually shoot a second load then the match would be $350 and ounce... still pretty steep. LOL!