I'm considering re-upping, but you can't see the ads without a paid membership. Is the volume sufficient to warrant the expense?
Advertising and screening options all in one place! I love it.
This discriminating John says yes wholeheartedly.
and I've scored two just this past year.
Same as here. You don't pay you're nonexistent. There you're verified which helps you with ladies here. When you're here, social and active, it helps also. P411 makes it easy for the ladies to verify you other than word of mouth. I've made dates from both because of the value from each. Of course it costs, so you have to determine how much you're going to use each or both. A lot of guys don't post reviews but they use both for verification and research to satisfy their fucking whims.
As a matter of fact, I started here, was nobody, but like this asked questions and was steered to P411. Once that was done I made dates. After awhile my presence here was enough and I let P411 go, which wasn't too wise because I let my big head talk instead of my little head, which is usually the other way around when it comes to this, and burned some bridges.
The fucking point is, get your fucking ducks in a row. If you plan on being a monger for a long time pay the dues, be cool to the ladies especially, and you'll do great!
I said this two years ago and it's still true. P411 treated me well.
How's everyone fucking doing, by the fucking way?
or did you just never get to bed?
Fucking fucker.
I'm doing OK.
Not so much for "ads." There is no real information in their bios on P411. You can't tell a massage provider from a PSE. They don't allow descriptive words. But as a verification that they are legit, p411 is tops.
Agreed! In the "good old days " the girls were allowed to have a " fantasy menu." Its only use now is as an easy verification sysrem. It is worthwhile for that.
I have a lifetime membership. Might as well buy the lifetime membership. It will save you a lot of headaches. I will say when I was traveling I used it a lot. Especially helpful ill screening and getting approved. Since COVID, I don't think I've used it even once.
A P411 membership with a few OK's from reputable providers gives you major credibility. With these credentials you'll have access to quality providers without all the hassles of having to furnish screening information that you may not be comfortable giving out. (Not always but in the large majority of cases.) P411 membership is kind of like a "security clearance", if you will. Definitely worth it!!
Definitely worth it.
Makes verification a breeze.
Also some ladies have a link to their Twitter and some have a link to their TER profile.
Most have a link to their WEB site as well.
I also like to compare the way a lady describes herself in her P411 profile versus how a client describes her on TER.
I cannot say enough good things about P411.
A gateway to pure pleasure.
yes join and not only help yourself but support one of the most useful sites on the internet !!
I think 90 percent of my dates come from there. Im going to renew for the lifetime price.
Best "investment" I made in this hobby was P411.
I've had a membership for years, but let it lapse as the $.5/yr doesn't pay back. It always seems like the traveling ladies your really want to see don't belong.
For guys that hobby on the road, I see the draw.
I have used it for years, easy verification with the ladies. One thing it's especially good for in my city is spotting visiting ladies. As long as I can find reviews, it's all good.
Something I just mentioned on another thread ... gents on p411 can send p411 invites to non-p411 providers and sugar babes to see the gent's profile.
SO even if a provider doesn't use p411, she can see your profile/okays if you send her an special invitation.
The last thing we need are Sugar Babies on P 411
And it's the last thing they need as well.
This is why we can't have nice things.
They can see your profile. But it is not the same as them being "on" p411. They have no presence there.
Bad Daddy!!!
I'll reiterate what GaGa so emphatically says. DO NOT bring Sugar Baby's to P411! Ever! Why would you ever want to let a SB know you regularly fuck hookers? It's the antithesis of what Sugar Dating is all about.
I can't believe I need to say this (again!)...
Treat your Sugar Baby like a date and you will get wonderful dates. Treat her like a hooker and you will get fucked - and not in a good way.
I'm not saying you can't live in both worlds (Mongering and the Sugar Bowl). I am saying they are separate and need to be kept separate. The Ghostbusters are correct! "Never cross the streams!"
“Don’t cross the streams.” Why would sugar babies need to see our okays on P411?
A fair point, but some SB's are semi-pro. It's a case by case basis.
Yes, some SB's are also hookers, but they have no place being on P 411 under their SB persona. NONE
Doesn't this also have to do with the website (SA) itself and not just individuals? If too many individuals on SA are associated with pro activities it can bring down greater (negative) attention on SA because it makes SA seem less like a social / dating / mentoring site and more like an escorting site.
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Leave the amateur SBs alone to use SA without making them seem like pros. And, as GaG notes, even if they are pros, don't ruin the rest of SA. Let them keep their pro life (and persona) and their SB life (and persona) separate.
Yes, some SB's are also hookers, but they have no place being on P 411 under their SB persona. NONE
Seems like P411 might disagree given it has a service check box for Sugar Baby.
No doubt there are hookers who offer a Sugar-baby-like hooker service. But if they do that on P411 they are doing it as HOOKERS.
Try asking a hooker on P411 who checks the Sugar Baby box if she will let you take her on a 2-day wine tasting trip for a total of $300 (not $300 per hour) and see how fast she says "hell no," or just laughs at you.
And if you try to offer a SB on SA $400 for a two-hour trip to "pound town," you'll be banned almost before you hit the send button.
Context matters.
Life is good
The Cat
If your SB is a pro or semi-pro let HER ask you. Even then, I'd play dumb and tell her I don't know what P411 is.
Women enter into these two worlds for different reasons. Even when a woman crosses over from one to the other, it's to be treated appropriately for the environment she chooses.
Treat SB's like women you date. Treat hookers like women you fuck then leave.
Try telling a hooker you love her and see how she reacts.
Then try telling an SB that she's the best whore you've ever fucked and see how she reacts.
Life is good
The Cat
I didn’t renew because I was seeing the same profiles and too few new ones for so long that I stopped shopping there. Also (no fault of P411’s service), the last three providers I had hoped would accept my 16 okays plus my short whitelist here in lieu of personal identification, of course, would not. I’ll probably rejoin next year or the year after (depending on Covid), as it hasn’t been worth it to me. It’s a great service though depending on what you tend to shop for.
One of my better investments!
I plan on paying the lifetime member fee with my next stimulus check
I didn’t see that option, so I did a year.
I didn’t see that option, so I did a year.
I’ve noticed since the pandemic, the amount of younger providers on there has increased. I’ve found the most memorable indies in the last year on there, than I had since I signed up 5 years ago.
Like America Express...P411 - never leave home without it.
I love it, one of the easiest and most effective screening tools!
Definitely worth it. Even without the detailed menu options, being able to see low long a provider has been active and having a one stop link to (some) reviews cuts down on the fear of meeting a fly-by-nighter. If it links you to her Twitter, you can get a real sense of whether she is a serious woman
There is definitely a benefit to the service as it makes verification a simple matter in most cases, but I am seeing a trend more and more of ladies who view it as an advertising venue, not a verification service. Doesn't matter how many OKs you have, they still require personal info. Its not a huge number but it is increasing.
when you see ladies to ask for an okay. It helps when moving forward to see the next lady.
There have many gents who contact me from P411 but the okays are many years old with quite a few ladies no linger available.
In some instances with gents who have old okays I do ask for more info
I had a gent decline to provide more info which is choice.
But a P411 profile with 10 ok from 5+yrs ago and only one lady who still working really doesn't say anything.
If we were in some sort of sorority meeting I would be giving you all the "snaps" *laughs*. While P411 is an amazing tool, lately it has been a rather difficult verification tool to work with. Understandably so, the pandemic has led to a plethora of clients hitting the "pause" button on seeing providers just as several providers have either retired or currently have inactive profiles. However, when your "okays" are well over a year+ old or from inactive profiles, that doesn't really attest to your character. You got to give a little to get a little, so if this is a bucket you fall into, you may have to divulge a bit more information for the first go round or two back in the saddle.
In addition, I don't think clients genuinely understand how P411 works on our end as providers or how they encourage us to ask for more verification information. But that's another topic for another day.
I would consider a provider only on p411. at present, seems the safest and best aggregator out there.
I have yet to meet a lady who has not accepted P411 for total screening. I just renewed. I also use it for finding new ladies since I moved and I'm new to the area.
worked for me wonderfully!
I have over 74 okays from WestCoast, Northwest, Central US, NorthEast and EastCoast to Miami.
In my minds eye, a lady who is both TER and P411 is a person I would like to spend time with.
P411 for verification and TER for history, not just of performance/preferences/personality but a second indicator of verification.
P411 does not screen for the providers safety. Your okays mean nada, especially when they are super old. The majority of the guys on p411 want ready & available right now without screening, or verifying any real life information. I have to plan in advance & always, do my own homework. Gina was the previous owner. If your looking for ads they have several new popular sites. I will send you an pm.
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It's nice that you want to be helpful but the Original Post to which you're replying is two years old. If your time is really as valuable as you claim, you shouldn't waste it.
Just to clarify, the lack of value of okays is for you personally. Every lady has to do what makes them comfortable and I would never question that.
The reality for me has been that it's extremely rare for a P411 provider to NOT accept my membership and okays and requiring something else for screening. I have a good number of recent okays and I can only remember one time in the past three years where a lady asked for more info.
There seems to be a small but very vocal group that claim P411 okays and to a great extent a TER review history is worthless. It's the same 4-5 ladies, oddly they still use both sites to advertise. SMH. Anyway, I've had no problems as of late meeting great ladies using recent P411 okays (I have a dozen or so).
I've said before, with a verified history of being a good client, there is no reason to have to provide some of the personal info these ladies are asking for. They are certainly not showing their drivers license, a phone number that can be traced to the name on a drivers license (yes, I was asked for that just last week) or sharing their LinkedIn profile, etc. but somehow it's for their safety that they require it from us? What about our safety and need for security?
Add to that, the ladies that require a deposit and claim they wouldn't possibly rip someone off and ruin their pristine reputation they've worked so hard to establish. Implying that a monger (with the same pristine reputation) would rip someone off and risk harming that. The entitlement is never ending. Their safety is more important, their reputation is more important, blah blah blah.
Easy enough to politely move on when someone asks for such information. They are entitled to ask for what they want, we are entitled to politely decline. There are PLENTY of very high quality ladies that take P411 okays as reference. A year ago it seemed like P411 wasn't helpful, but i've seen a change in the tides.
I've been a member since 2017 and have always found it helpful.
I always send providers a PM there as an initial contact (if they're members obviously) and ask if it's enough for screening. Inevitably I get a very quick response "yes". Many times they don't even look at my profile. As I understand it, the PM shows the sender name along with their membership status with the number of okays they have.
If you travel or like to see visiting providers its worth the small cost.
and it continues to work as it always has. I'll be keeping my paid membership; it is just as relevant today as it was years ago.
and it continues to work as it always has. I'll be keeping my paid membership; it is just as relevant today as it was years ago.
Hey Zen, it's Jeff, Long time no talk?
Speaking of which, why didn't you answer my email? LOL
It is absolutely worth it because you can do screening right in the site and don’t have to provide a reference, etc. Makes my life much easier.
As a provider I highly recommend gents sign up for it. You are able to see a few pics of us, get general rate info, and also a link to our personal website and TER. If you are also a member of P411 I do not ask for any additional screening info. (Some providers may, I personally do not.)
Most of the useful info on a provider at P411 is available to the general public if you know her P411 number.
Correct. This is more about screening. If you are registered through P411 and go through their screening process I do not require additional screening info to book with me. If you are not with P411 I require this info to book an appt.
Glad you are on the boards again and commenting.
Been a member for abou right years now. The best think about It I think, is that It gives you lightening fast verification (green light- if you may call it).