Right? RIGHT!
I keep quite because it isn't going to change, but it's true. The hobby world allows certain people to hold prejudices that civvie society would frown upon.
As a woman of color, the racial preference and prejudiced shown in the hobby world breaks my heart and fills me with righteous anger. "No AA men....just a preference!" It's so crazy.
My pussy is pink, your money is green. Those are the colours that matter to me. Take me out to dinner and let's get it on!
"I'm not a racist, but...." Ah, the sex industry. The last place in America where you can be racist and get away with it. It's amazing how many guys will claim they aren't racist in the civvie world, but as soon as they get on this board or in the strip club or browsing the escort ads, their true colors come out. I'm shocked and stunned by the amount of in-your-face racism that exists in the sex industry. I've gone on calls with minority women where the guys would turn them away or if they did go through with it, would not want to pay them as much as they were willing to pay me (a blonde, white girl). Sometimes I would go on calls where the guys would talk horribly to them and treat them like they are worthless right in front of me. I've worked in strip clubs where women of color would constantly get turned away from jobs unless they looked "white" enough i.e. Tyra Banks or Vanessa Williams. A lot of the strip clubs that I worked in, guys would expect more sexually from the latina , asian or black women by touching them when they didn't want to be touch, grabbing on them or propositioning them for sexual favors. While escorting/massaging, I'm amazed to see how many guys will single out certain nationalities of immigrant women, because they could abuse them in ways or use them sexually in ways that an American woman would never put up with. And how many guys would go to black or latina women thinking they are "easy" and cheap. It's un-fucking-believable.
And it's like ok, the guys say that they don't want to get intimate with a woman of color. And I'm like really? Intimate with her like you are you going to marry her, date her, fall in love with her? No, you're just trying to get your dick sucked so what difference does it make what color she is? Are these guys afraid that the woman's dark skin is going to rub off on them if they have sex?
And I guess the reason that I get upset is because no one has control over what color they are born. I'm lucky enough to be born the "preferred" color, I guess, in America. But, I could have just as easily been born black and then, how would I get treated by the men around me? Not too well from what I can see. And women aren't being judged on their ability to do their job i.e. sex work, provide a fantasy, whatever. No, they are being judged strictly by the color of their skin or their nationality. I don't know. Where I come from pussy is pussy.
but my question is to ethnicity! I DO find I have ethnic preferences when it comes to my choice of a sex partner. and I find to be honest it is odd.... but I have a question about one ethnic or national group in particular... Russian and eastern European women, kinda turn me off. I don't know if it is the very cold chilly intensity with which they approach this biz - or the accent - or the aloofness of their attitude or what?! but something. I find that an equally physically attractive woman from say Iowa or Minnesota or Mississippi or kentuckey or texas or ahem Louisiana to be much more to my liking - and English chicks bring em on... even the Aussie she whose name we shant mention (Bond, Emma Bond) are hotter... anyone else have a similar view....
But my fave?! Latinos! from Argentina to Mexico... an attractive latino is not just a sex object, she is a work of art!
People have preferences. Go for what you like. It has nothing to do with prejudice unless it spills over into not liking the way "they" smell, or suchlike. Visual preferences have nothing to do with prejudice.
just something about her makes me melt - but in general, Latinos!!!
if they are heavy.. no thank you. Also if they have an attitude that I should be happy just to be in their presence. GTFO! Actually I'm not really into black ladies but some DO work.
"I'm not a racist, but...." Ah, the sex industry. The last place in America where you can be racist and get away with it. It's amazing how many guys will claim they aren't racist in the civvie world, but as soon as they get on this board or in the strip club or browsing the escort ads, their true colors come out. I'm shocked and stunned by the amount of in-your-face racism that exists in the sex industry. I've gone on calls with minority women where the guys would turn them away or if they did go through with it, would not want to pay them as much as they were willing to pay me (a blonde, white girl). Sometimes I would go on calls where the guys would talk horribly to them and treat them like they are worthless right in front of me. I've worked in strip clubs where women of color would constantly get turned away from jobs unless they looked "white" enough i.e. Tyra Banks or Vanessa Williams. A lot of the strip clubs that I worked in, guys would expect more sexually from the latina , asian or black women by touching them when they didn't want to be touch, grabbing on them or propositioning them for sexual favors. While escorting/massaging, I'm amazed to see how many guys will single out certain nationalities of immigrant women, because they could abuse them in ways or use them sexually in ways that an American woman would never put up with. And how many guys would go to black or latina women thinking they are "easy" and cheap. It's un-fucking-believable.
And it's like ok, the guys say that they don't want to get intimate with a woman of color. And I'm like really? Intimate with her like you are you going to marry her, date her, fall in love with her? No, you're just trying to get your dick sucked so what difference does it make what color she is? Are these guys afraid that the woman's dark skin is going to rub off on them if they have sex?
And I guess the reason that I get upset is because no one has control over what color they are born. I'm lucky enough to be born the "preferred" color, I guess, in America. But, I could have just as easily been born black and then, how would I get treated by the men around me? Not too well from what I can see. And women aren't being judged on their ability to do their job i.e. sex work, provide a fantasy, whatever. No, they are being judged strictly by the color of their skin or their nationality. I don't know. Where I come from pussy is pussy.
Right? RIGHT!
I keep quite because it isn't going to change, but it's true. The hobby world allows certain people to hold prejudices that civvie society would frown upon.
As a woman of color, the racial preference and prejudiced shown in the hobby world breaks my heart and fills me with righteous anger. "No AA men....just a preference!" It's so crazy.
My pussy is pink, your money is green. Those are the colours that matter to me. Take me out to dinner and let's get it on!
"I'm not a racist, but...." Ah, the sex industry. The last place in America where you can be racist and get away with it. It's amazing how many guys will claim they aren't racist in the civvie world, but as soon as they get on this board or in the strip club or browsing the escort ads, their true colors come out. I'm shocked and stunned by the amount of in-your-face racism that exists in the sex industry. I've gone on calls with minority women where the guys would turn them away or if they did go through with it, would not want to pay them as much as they were willing to pay me (a blonde, white girl). Sometimes I would go on calls where the guys would talk horribly to them and treat them like they are worthless right in front of me. I've worked in strip clubs where women of color would constantly get turned away from jobs unless they looked "white" enough i.e. Tyra Banks or Vanessa Williams. A lot of the strip clubs that I worked in, guys would expect more sexually from the latina , asian or black women by touching them when they didn't want to be touch, grabbing on them or propositioning them for sexual favors. While escorting/massaging, I'm amazed to see how many guys will single out certain nationalities of immigrant women, because they could abuse them in ways or use them sexually in ways that an American woman would never put up with. And how many guys would go to black or latina women thinking they are "easy" and cheap. It's un-fucking-believable.
And it's like ok, the guys say that they don't want to get intimate with a woman of color. And I'm like really? Intimate with her like you are you going to marry her, date her, fall in love with her? No, you're just trying to get your dick sucked so what difference does it make what color she is? Are these guys afraid that the woman's dark skin is going to rub off on them if they have sex?
And I guess the reason that I get upset is because no one has control over what color they are born. I'm lucky enough to be born the "preferred" color, I guess, in America. But, I could have just as easily been born black and then, how would I get treated by the men around me? Not too well from what I can see. And women aren't being judged on their ability to do their job i.e. sex work, provide a fantasy, whatever. No, they are being judged strictly by the color of their skin or their nationality. I don't know. Where I come from pussy is pussy.
some men just don't like black women, white women, skinny ones, fat ones, whatever. same w/ escorts. Racism has nothing to do with what someone finds attractive. I won't see obese guys b/c I'm not attracted to them. simple. Now in the real world, in my real job, if I interview someone obese, it doesn't matter b/c If they're qualified for the job, they're qualified,,,but in this intimate world, they're not qualified to fuck me b/c that's my preference. seriously racism isn't the same as a guy not wanting to have sex with someone he isn't attracted to whether or not b/c of her race, boob size, whatever. now if he denies her a job, housing, using the public bathroom b/c she's black, that's racism. big difference,& comparing lack of attraction to racism is like a smack in the face to actual racism.
I'm not telling someone who to pay to fuck. I'm saying if you're going to use the services of an escort, don't discriminate based on color. Would you not see a dentist, a doctor, a massage therapist, a lawyer, an accountant just because he is of color even if he was more than qualified to do his job? Then, why would you do that with escorts especially when you have stuff like review boards that can give you an idea of how well they do their "job".
Escorting preference is real racism. Racism has everything to do with who someone finds attractive, because many of us have been conditioned to think at an early age what is beautiful vs. what is not through the media, magazines, barbie dolls, toys and games you play with, friends and family, etc. Before the age of political correctness which only started in the past 15 years, all the standards of beauty in America centered around white women or women who passed for being white. And a lot of these guys especially the older ones have been conditioned to think like that.
I don't discriminate on who I see as a provider so long as they are respectful, friendly and not an asshole, because that's my job and their money is just as green as anyone else's. If I was caught not selling a house, not providing accounting services, not serving someone in a restaurant, because they were of color, I would get hit with a lawsuit so fast, it would make your head spin. And rightfully so, because it's the wrong thing to do. Why would it be any different with escorting?
You keep saying "intimate". Intimate means you are getting close mentally, physically, and emotionally attached to someone as in a lover or a spouse. These guys aren't your lovers. They are clients, and it is a business. I'm sure you aren't attracted to many of the guys you see not just the obese ones, so why discriminate?
everyone b/c it's are job to. They way you or any other lady runs their business isnt the blue print for everyone. some ladies only see men they are attracted to. they require photos for this very reason.
I see men of all races, but could care less if another lady doesn't want to for whatever reason and won't immediately say it's due to racism. if a man doesn't want to see me b/c of my race, that's his preference, plain simple. Whether or not that's due to him being conditioned at a young age to prefer certain traits is irrelevant to me, b/c now as a grow man, he has his preferences and should pay for the lady he is most attracted to. I don't compare the services escorts provide to that of lawyers, doctors, etc. It's different b/c we offer a very personal, intimate experience. and by intimate, I mean closeness, and that is physical closeness. It doesn't have to mean emotionally as well tho some offer that in p4p world.
as far as being attracted to my clients, i won't see a client a second time if i don't find something attractive about him, b/c it's my body & not all money is green to me. that's how I run my business tho.
Solving world hunger would be easier than telling people who they should fuck. Comparing providers to doctors, lawyers, dentists, etc., is even more ridiculous. This may surprise you, some folks would not see them either based on their color.
This is tired old argument. Those who are prejudiced will be prejudiced and the best thing you can hope is they don’t show it in public.
Go try and solve world hinger, you have lot better chance of succeeding. People, think prejudice racial hatred is just between black and white, not so. Racial hatred is prevalent all over the world for one reason or another. Koreans don’t like Japanese, Chinese don’t like Japanese, Cambodians don’t like Vietnamese, Jews don’t like Muslims, Muslims don’t like any infidels.
Darkness of the mind is the hardest thing to illuminate and only can be done by the individual itself.
There are many good points highlighted in the back and forth above. But I must say, my preference for white or latino women (in my mind at least) is not racist, cause I just prefer "how they look." Another preference is big boobs. Am I prejudicial against small breasted women because I prefer big boobed women? I also don't like "thunder thighs"
Often you will like a woman's look without knowing why.... At least in this hobby, we all look at the ads and select based on looks - I mean READ THE REVIEWS! Most of the time on a 1st encounter, the review reads, "I saw Suzy's pictures, she just seemed so hot..." If we were going on anything else they might read, "I saw Suzy's ad and it mentioned that she loves art deco and has a degree in anthropology, so I thought, 'I gotta get me some of that'" Bwahahahaha...
Another thing, I can recognize physical beauty in women of ALL color, but acknowledge that my preference in a sex partner lies where I clearly stated it is.
Get real guys, we are all prejudicial - it is how we make choices of all kinds.
They are not here to make US happy, but to make themselves happy. Of course there is racism in the hobby, but so what...it's an illegal business that is not monitored by the EEOC lol. Some guys won't see anyone over 25 and 110 lbs. Am I supposed to start a thread ranting about that? I think not.
Some here have the attitude that because there is money on the table, that we should all just fk anything...um, yea right lol. I am an independent last time I checked, so I will be the one deciding who I let through that door. If I don't want to see old, fat, ugly, smelly, black, white, asian, etc. I damn well don't have to. Am I discriminating? Damn right...see, I admitted it.
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with you and CR 100% - but let's not make it a "hobbyist" problem - let's not forget the many, many escorts who will not see "men of color". Can we say "penis is penis"? 
culturally, or just because-ally you don't want to have sex w/ a man who is x, y, z...we're not talking EEO, were talking about having sex w/ those u feel comfortable with or attracted to. the whole package, not just their dick or pink pussy
I support a person's right to have sex with whomever they want. That doesn't mean that it isn't racist to say "I don't sleep with blacks". It is racist - it's practically the definition of racism.
You don't want to sleep with black clients? Fine, your choice, I support it (although my opinion doesn't matter one way or the other). But don't say that it's not racism just because you don't want it to be racism. What, you'd hire a black man, you just wouldn't sleep with him? I suppose some of your best friends are black, too.
As long as we continue to look at skin color as a defining characteristic of a human being, we will never be a unified "human race".
I never said that i don't see black men; I see all races, but not obese or disabled men,,,b/c I'm not attracted to them or interested in an intimate closeness b/c i'm not comfortable...(I must be a sizist)..I won't have sex w/ anyone in this "hobby" that I wouldn't do in my real life,,,I don't like the feeling of a 400lb man on me, likewise there are some escorts who don't want to have sex w/ black men,,,maybe the don't like the look of black skin, bigger lips, whatever; sure there are some racists everywhere but just having a preference or not wanting tp see blk men doesn't always mean racism,,not all money is good money if you don't want to have sex w/ a man for whatever reason.
do you see obese women? If not, you must be a sizist too. I mean it couldnt possibly be that u just dont want to have sex w/ someone who has tons of belly fat. Nope, you're a sizest and I bet to justify it you'll say you have lots of fat friends. lol
the racism complaints get old, it's best to understand the fact that some ladies don't want to have sex w/ u b/c of your race & find a lady who does.
And yes, many of my friends are black. your point is?
I don't remember saying anything about "just because you are prostitutes...."
Oh yeah, it's because I didn't say it. You made that part up.
I also didn't say anything about YOU not seeing black men. I was interacting with other posters who were talking about seeing/not seeing blacks. You jumped in with your anti-fatty doctrine. It's now become ok to bash people based on their weight, another gold ribbon for the human race. BTW, I do have sex with women of all shapes and sizes (read my reviews). I'm not an "ist" of any kind, but nice try. "lol"
Maybe we just have a problem with definitions - "racism" conjures up images of hatred and evil and discrimination, but it's most basic meaning is simply regarding making assumptions about a person based on the color of their skin or "racial" background.
What gets old is people denying that they are racist while in the middle of committing racist actions.
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it "conjures up images of hatred and evil and discrimination" but for some other ladies they just have no interested in seeing black men just b/c they aren't attracted to them, or whatever. some might be racist, but not seeing black men always mean someone's racist.
I used to not see them & i'm not racist. just like not seeing anyone overweight doesn't automatically mean someone's a sizist, if it's just b/c they aren;t attracted to certain physical features of overweight. I didn;t mean to bash someone. well this conversation is going no where, but i think everyone should see whoever they feel interested in seeing, whoever they're attracted to, conditioned or not.
Oh yeah, it's because I didn't say it. You made that part up.
I also didn't say anything about YOU not seeing black men. I was interacting with other posters who were talking about seeing/not seeing blacks. You jumped in with your anti-fatty doctrine. It's now become ok to bash people based on their weight, another gold ribbon for the human race. BTW, I do have sex with women of all shapes and sizes (read my reviews). I'm not an "ist" of any kind, but nice try. "lol"
Maybe we just have a problem with definitions - "racism" conjures up images of hatred and evil and discrimination, but it's most basic meaning is simply regarding making assumptions about a person based on the color of their skin or "racial" background.
What gets old is people denying that they are racist while in the middle of committing racist actions.
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Right?
Have your racist preferences, but let's call a spade a spade. You people can't differentiate between different types of sex workers, but will fight tooth and nail to ignore your own racism.
I believe that it is because so many hobbyists and providers are white, it allows them to ignore their own racism, much like they do in other areas of society. Sometimes we cannot see ourselves for who we are.
You don't want to sleep with black clients? Fine, your choice, I support it (although my opinion doesn't matter one way or the other). But don't say that it's not racism just because you don't want it to be racism. What, you'd hire a black man, you just wouldn't sleep with him? I suppose some of your best friends are black, too.
As long as we continue to look at skin color as a defining characteristic of a human being, we will never be a unified "human race".
automatically be called a racist, if not seeing them is fueled by hatred, but just b/c they're not attracted to certain qualities of black men. It's ok if u don't understand.
certain men, do you honestly believe she is attracted to all of her other clients? That part is total bs lol, and we both know it. That is like saying every white guy who walks through that door is Brad Pitt, and every black guy is ugly...so far from the truth.
RIGHT?
We as providers often see many a man we are not physically attracted too. So saying "I don't see black men because they don't attract me", then you shouldn't be a provider because you're not going to be attracted to most of your clients.
So it's racism, and not attraction. It's more ok to be racist, as long as you admit your prejudice. It's still not "great", but at least admitting it opens the way for dialogue.
Not just "this is the hobby, white power, get over it" or "it's just my PREFERENCE!" (which is the response you get anytime you bring up ethnic discrimination). Also, no one has actually said "white power". So, that's just me adding on more racism because I'm annoyed...
Maybe the word could be comfortable with, at ease with, feels safe with..heck I don't know but using attracted to just seems a tad odd.
Racism isn't about "hatred". Racism is about power, privilege, and ignorance.
It is not *I* who doesn't understand, but you. But I have to fight with the majority to see their privilege over minorities everyday, it would drain me to have to do it on TER too.
If we can't call providers and hobbyists racists for their racist preferences, then fine. However, it does not change the racism.
Simple preferences are not prejudices. Different strokes. Some guys are here to sample all kinds of variety and some have a specific type they seek over and over.
Much of the allure here is to meet and fuck women that I never did at my earlier age.
And over the years I've sampled all types of hookers.
But my preference is still the little ones...but they can be any color as far as I'm concerned. And have been 
Still waiting for the rapture so I can try out some green gals LOL So long as they're pixieish!
but Miss Russia did look super sexy last night on Miss Universe beauty contest.
and Miss USA...sexy
Yeah I said it! I have a fetish. Deal.
I like petite ladies with soft straight hair and well defined small nipples. I LOVE ladies with accents and broken English. I love deep dark eyes. And Asian ladies hit on all those check points.
Latinos! from Argentina to Mexico... an attractive latino is not just a sex object, she is a work of art!
And then you mention Latinos from Argentina to Mexico. A white woman from Argentina is not the same ethnicity as a brown woman from Panama. And I would bet the white woman from Argentina would be upset if you tried to group her in the same category with a black Cuban. So you're saying anyone whose native language is Spanish, turns you on?