So, I will be the first to admit that I am usually a bargain hunter when it comes to hobbying. My bargain hunting tendencies stem not only from a desire to get value for money, but also because during my former marriage, I would get myself into trouble when I left traces around on the computer or, worse, printed out...even my first girlfriend following my split with my wife, a very hot 27 year old (I am a decade older), came across a printout once of an ad from a provider, but, fortunately, it was a few months old prior to when we started dating...but is it any wonder that she did not stick around for more than a couple months after finding it?
In any event, so I typically go for like the buck and a half Craigs List incall girls or the buck and a half young Asian or Latin women at a couple not so legit MP's I know, although typically only a couple times a month as I have a very hot girlfriend who I have been seeing for a year now with a body better than 99% of women out there...unfortunately, she is a major drama queen and that is what led me to being out of town for the night for a special event and in a 4 star hotel.
Given that I was not pleased with my girlfriend who did NOT have sex with me (or even blow me) last night despite not seeing each other since Monday night, the first thing I did after checking in was bring up Craig's List for the city where I am in for the evening...same shit as one would see in L.A. and I did call a couple providers, but honestly, I was turned off by their voices and diction...no, I am not hiring a woman to read a book on tape, but I am attracted to intelligent women.
Finally, I called another ad despite it not showing the cost of donations...I liked that the woman was AmerAsian, 5'7" and attractive...best of all, I loved her voice and diction and even when she quoted me $$$ for outcall to my hotel, promising a full hour GFE, I did not hesitate and committed to an appointment 90 minutes later, allowing just enough time for an overpriced room service meal and a shower.
So this provider was totally professional and kept me updated when she knew she was going to be 10 minutes late. When I met her at the door, I was VERY IMPRESSED as she was really drop dead gorgeous...I mean she only had like a B cup and did have a bit of an hourglass figure, but she was 100% woman and had a beautiful face, sexy hair, pouty lips, pretty eyes and perfect skin, with a big firm ass, freshly waxed and freshly manicured/pedicured, not to mention dressed fashionably.
The chemistry was instant and I spent the majority of time feasting on her most beautiful Y and she did not object to two fingers inside her, four fingers inside her, or even two fingers in her pussy and the other two fingers in her ass. Instead, she just thrashed around on the bed and enjoyed herself...even if only half of her orgasms were true, she was quite the glutton for my mouth.
Unbelievably, she did not object either to me slapping her or to me choking her...I suppose had I not made her climax a couple times before trying that it would have been different, but I was just amazed at what a true GFE it really was...I mean she seemed to really enjoy gagging on my cock and she must have gagged 100+ times as I fucked her face while my hands either pulled her hair or pulled her face as deep into my cock as possible.
Somebody tell me that this is NOT the norm with GFE or else I am going to be truly disappointed on what I have been missing for the better part of the last decade! I mean what I experienced tonight was double the cost of my normal hobbying, but it was not only twice the length, but it was also like ten times more intense and with a beautiful, likely educated, woman who seemed to be a class act, despite letting me totally have my way with her. Really, she was amazing and I would find a reasons to return to this city just to see this woman again.
We concluded with me splattering her face, usually an extra $50 charge she said, that she gave me on the house because I was "so fun."
For the hobbyists who partake mostly or only in GFE's, is this what I am missing out on? I mean it was WONDERFUL to have what I consider a true GFE without having to listen to my high maintenance girlfriend first bitch about work, bitch about girlfriends, bitch about family, etc., acting as if I give half a shit just to get sex later.
In closing, I would appreciate some feedback to let me know if I just lucked out, or if I may likely expect more of the same if I just up the ante, skip the bargain basement girls and focus my energy and wallet on GFE providers?
I don't think I've ever bargain basement shopped. I did see a girl that charged $250 several years ago, but that was because her pics were red hot and her reviews were phenomenal. Yes, the higher end girls are better....sometimes...but overall, its a better experience if not for the fact they are trying to get repeat business...which a few of them have gotten me to do and I have the huge bank withdrawals to show for it. . I don't know about all the gagging and choking stuff that you mentioned, I don't think a lot of the girls would go for that. But, if you mean in terms of looks, being well-groomed, well-spoken and treating you like a man, yeah, it's pretty good for the most part..there are still some where the reviews are manipulated a little like that lady that got banned by TER. I've tried every range from $250 to $2,000. Haven't partaked of the super utr girls that some people talk about.... Anyways, why bargain basement shop when it comes to this area???? Don't you want the best experience possible and get the best looking girls? We all get laid on the outside, but wouldn't be great to see some $1,300 centerfold? By the way, you said, Amer-Asian right? I think I might know who you're talking about. LOL. If I were you, I'd see her quite a bit. I used to keep looking (greener pastures syndrome) even when I found a girl I really liked and the rest turned out to be not as good as the girl I liked and before long the girl (who I really liked) would be gone and I would think "why did I waste time and money on these other girls, when I could have been enjoying time with her (more often) for the short time she was around."
Take note of how you mentioned you enjoy bargain hunting and that you lucked out when seeing this GFE / PSE escort who was more than you'd typically spend, but you ended up having a great time. Glance at my 22 or so reviews and you will see that most all of them are low priced. Most all of them are also PSE experiences and as many as 50% were GFE experiences, even though for a short period of time. Personally, I do not seek a GFE experience with a ho. I do not have the need or desire, but if she has GFE abilities with in her and displays them naturally, I consume of her GFE abilities of DFK, etc etc.
Personally, I think you lucked out and had a great time with this girl for the 300 roses. You could have just as easily lucked out with a 150 roses girl. IMO, typically the only difference between a lower priced and higher price escort, is the price. Just because a John is paying more for a date does not mean that his level of satisfaction is going to increase to the same degree the fee increased. Most times it is for ego reasons that she seeks a higher fee. Ego's do not give a better roll in the hay.
Keep your antennas out there. I often get GFE / PSE experiences with DFK for the 100 roses per hour fee. This typically comes via girls who do not have a fancy web site, but a girl who posts a simple ad to hook up. There ARE bargain GREAT experiences. I live by them. My reviews on TER are only about 20 to 25% of all my hobbying. The other 75 to 80% are massage girls that I do not review and other GFE / PSE's who do not post ads, so I can't link a review to a date with them, but they are all under 100 roses for a hook up.
Continued success on bargain hunting. IMO, the best form of expression is a woman who shares of her intimate self for a minimal fee. John Holmes
who cannot easily see your reviews, you should point out that all but 6 of your reviews are with Transexuals and one of the other six is with a transvestite.
That makes a significant difference in the price point of your encounters.
Kind of an melons to sausages comparison.
This is in no way meant to disparage the ladies of the TS or TV variety, but rather an observation of the situation.
Actually, in the three forms of providers that I hook up with, which are TS escorts, genetic girl escorts and body rub / massage girls, in each of the three categories there are providers who seek a high fee for their services and those who seek a low fee.
If you are not experienced with TS escorts, I will share a little fact with you. If she is pre-op and is very pretty and has a hot body and a hard cock that cums, many times the fees she seeks are right in line with the highest class of genetic escorts. In other words, she will seek $300 to $500 an hour for her time. She is the cream of the crop in her market and she seeks the cream of the crop price.
Any one can see Lord Jesus John Thee Baptist Holmes' reviews, they are under my TER screen name which is JohnHolmes1
I had no idea they made Amer/Asian blow-up dolls. Guess we now know they do. Like to see you try and slap and choke the ladies on here. If ever there was a reason to avoid advertising on CL...it's a man like you. Say Hi to your imaginary girlfriend.
You seem to be made for each other. You both give the impression that you believe women are contemptible and beneath you somehow. It's sad, really, and I'm not going to give you or him the anger you both are obviously trying to draw out of people because I think you need it to get off.
not sure why people are bothered by this post. it just looks like you're looking for someone into having it a little more rough and kinky than average and there is nothing wrong with that.
but, that is not a typical gfe experience where right out the gate the girl is cool with being choked, slapped and okay with anal penetration. i would search for PSE not GFE if this sort of thing is what really turns you on and unfortunately expect to pay even more typically, at least in the 350-500+ range.
hrrmmm... is it possible to do a search for PSE on ter? probably should be. anyway good luck.
that means choking her, slapping her, forcing her face down on your cock, making her gag 100+ times, fucking her face until her tonsils must surely have been bruised silly, and coming on her face?
I am not sure what to do first...feel pity for you...disgust for you...or serious sorrow and pity for the ladies who have had the misfortune to date you.
I am going to reserve further comment at this time as nothing I could say at this point would be constructive to you.
I hope all the ladies on this board read your post and make notes accordingly!
There are true sub's in the hobby, providers who fill the niche. I also would not participate in those acts, but there are hobbyists and providers alike who enjoy it.
Sorry to say...I'd probably kick the shit out of you if you tried that shit with me...and believe me I could! I refuse to see anyone who wants to harm or humiliate me. I like myself too much. You don't have enough $$ for that.
Chillax, homey...it was not until after at least the first orgasm that I gave her that I first slapped her face, and that first slap was relatively light. I completely took the provider's cues and when it was clear that it was ok to slap her a little harder, I did.
Additionally, it was only when she was deepthroating me and gagged a couple times on her own that I instituted 100 more gags into the multiple blowjobs...I only came once, at the end, and I was kind enough to do it on her face as I mentioned, but, I could not get enough of her sweet tight pussy, so I did go on her, swear to god, about 4 or 5 times...it really was an action packed hour and about 90% of it was spent with either my cock giving her tonsil lovetaps or with my face buried between her legs and my fingers/hand deep inside her while I expertly licked her clit.
I cannot tell you how many times she said "You are a FUN one!"
Only on one occasion did I push it a little far and that was when I slapped her a little too hard and she did not get made but asked me not to slap her so hard so I refrained from slapping for the rest of the session. I did, however, choke her harder than I do my girlfriend, enough to temporarily leave marks, but she seemed to really get off on it...this girl was no idiot...very intelligent girl but she obviously enjoyed rough sex, at least coming from a hobbyist who first brought her so much pleasure.
Anyway, it was only in the last year while dating prolifically did I learn that many woman actually do like rough sex...some like to have their hair pulled HARD, others like to be choked, others like to be slapped...I was just very fortunate to find a provider who was in her mid-20's, beautiful, intelligent, very feminine who liked every combination I tried of rough sex.
Rough sex or not, I made the session mainly about her...I guarantee that 60% of the time was spent pleasuring HER and she showed her appreciation by giving me exactly what I wanted...in other words, I KNEW HOW TO WORK IT!
At the end of the session, she even invited me to call her back next time I am visiting, although she only puts an ad up about one weekend a month--so, given that she would see me when she is not otherwise working as a provider, I don't think she has too many complaints about the session...we ended the session with some passionate DFK's and I know we both felt very fortunate for the encounter.
and so fun…..! I can see why she would have waived the extra 50$. How many times did she come again?
I'm sure lots of women would be thrilled to spend some time with you being slapped, choked and gagged. The hair pulling is always a nice sensual touch too. Women do so love to be denigrated just to provide an intense experience for guys like you.
In the future, please make sure to share your TER handle with any women with whom you’d like to arrange a GFE session; and DO tell them about this experience. I’m sure they would truly appreciate having an opportunity to read this thread before meeting with you--just to get to know a little bit more about YOU before hand. It's just another nice little part of GFE.
Have fun out there! And watch those testicles. I understand it’s very uncomfortable when they get lodged behind your tonsils.
Most of the GFE ladies I see would put you on their DNS list for this sort of treatment before you were off the elevator and in the hotel lobby...A few would have given you your money back and thrown you out of the room as soon as the chocking started...
Nothing against your idea of a good time but if what you did with this gal is your preference I would suggest that you hold on to her and treat her well.
had you tried to slap me or choke me, you'd have had a heel so far up your ass you wouldn't be able to see straight.
If that's what you're into and that's what she was into, you lucked out and had a great time.
However, you can't expect every GFE girl to be into that. Typically, it's called the girlfriend experience because rather than hump and go, ladies do things your girlfriend would like kiss and actually share a good time rather than the old mechanical wham bam thank you maam get in and off me routine.
People get too caught up in the labels...on both sides...
I'm assuming that most of the time you look for more of the low end of the scale because connection has not been much of a factor in what you have been looking for... You want someone to *service* you, nothing more, nothing less, as you have a "connection" at home (although, arguably, the current situation seems to be lacking in some way...). I think this is a fairly common perspective (the “I’m paying you to be my f*ck toy…” mentality), and certainly valid, although IMO, I think encounters are so much more fulfilling and intense when you can find the foothold of a true connection (with both parties understanding proper boundaries about “connecting” of course).
And sometimes people ~do~ misinterpret "connection" with boundary crossing, when in fact it just means you both are really *there* and really embracing the moment. To me, this is a needed element in a “GFE” encounter, but to me, this is a needed element in ALL of my encounters...fetish, BDSM or PSE included.
I've had conversations with GFE seeking gents that usually avoid PSE/fetish providers that also offer GFE because of an assumption that when one offers non-GFE that person has no ability to connect as it is assumed that there are more walls of protection up. While I do think there is higher chance of "connection" in a ~true~ GFE provider verses a PSE/BDSM/fetish provider, it’s *really* about what BOTH PARTIES bring to the table... Not all ladies (GFE or otherwise) are really open to honestly connecting during their encounters, as it is sometimes seen as being something that is "saved" for our relationships outside of work. For some, it can be a subjective thing: there has to be the right chemistry present to take things up a notch. Sometimes it is something that can develop with a regular client over time... Sometimes it's just a freak incident of both parties being in the right place, with the right person, at the right time... I've had experiences that were super hot, totally connected “in the moment”, and mutually appreciated, but sometimes that chemistry cannot be duplicated during another encounter. That is more rare (as most of the time connection builds on each new encounter), but I think it’s important to note when talking about what expectations we create...
I can't make everyone connect with me, even if I'm open to it and trying to create that, and that has nothing to do with how I market myself or how much money I charge or don’t charge. Maybe the other person isn't open to it...maybe we are on different wavelengths...maybe it's a chemistry thing... Sometimes magic happens, and sometimes it doesn't, but that's what I put out there, so more often then not, it ~does~ happen...and in some instances, more intensely then in others. When you are mindful of what you are looking to get out of your experiences (on the many levels humans can connect) you are better able to manifest that.
You stepped outside of your comfort zone by ordering a girl that was outside of your normal criteria (more expensive, more professional with how she handled her business). Stepping outside of one's norm usually opens us up to having new things happen. Our brain, whether we realize it or not, is a little off kilter when we put ourselves in new surroundings or situations… It is less likely for one to stay on auto-pilot when this happens (like a lot of people unfortunately do in their escorting experiences...as well as with many other things in our lives), and more likely for your perspective to be open to change.
You can find the type of encounter you describe anywhere when you know what you are looking for...it's not about "GFE" or any other labels. It’s really more about what you put out in the universe, and making choices maybe from a renewed viewpoint: trying to find someone that is open to delving into “the moment” with you, and really embracing passion. I wish you well on that journey!
Very true point made in the post above. A lot of guys do not want to see S & M/fetish girls that also offer GFE. When I see a girl (even if I'm attracted to her pictures) and she has a lot of bondage or weird stuff like dom etc that she offers, it scares me and I just choose not to see her because the appeal of the GFE is gone. Guys don't want the girl just to pretend GFE, the ones looking for gfe want a girl that actually likes the GFE in real life and wouldn't be comfortable with that alternative lifestyle stuff. More power to you if you do, but it's just a little much for me.
I don't want to do fetish/BDSM all the time any more then I want to only do GFE... For me, it feels more contrived to force just one type of service verses being versatile to adapt to what my customer and/or I want on any given day.
Sure, some people are more comfortable in only one arena...that's fine, and more power to them. Just because a girl only offers one type of service doesn't mean she's not faking that either though... We all know that faking happens all the time, regardless of the circumstances...
But at the heart of it all, there is always someone out there offering and seeking the same things...and hopefully finding each other more often then not!
Oh, my posts didn't mean to suggest such a thing. as I didn't know anything about your services. I'm sure you're very wonderful... I just found your statement in the previous post interesting about how guys get scared off when they see a girl mix both because they think that they might not be gfe at heart...which is true...a lot of guys do think that. For example, when I see a girl that is also a dominatrix and has stuff about submissives, etc...it does deter me a little even if I'm really hot for her pics. All I'm looking for is a good girl type that's a little naughty...but, not too naughty.
Thank you for your well thought out, well written and rational response. I think there is a lot of truth in what you wrote and I would not have pushed it so far within my normal hobbying.
As far as what is lacking at home, I fear that I am with a very attractive and intelligent younger woman mostly for the sex but that I honestly am starting to question if I should not be in search of true love...with someone I can smack the shit out of, choke, gag with my cock, spit in her mouth, fuck in her ass (although I DID NOT do this with this provider) and of course, cum on her face.
Be careful what you wish for... Sometimes it's harder to bring rough sex home then you would think. :-/ I've dated guys that I *know* have that side to themselves, but have had a harder time really letting go with that when they are personally invested with me. It doesn't matter how much I tell them I want it like that also (not all the time mind you, but I do enjoy rough sex in the mix)...they always say "but I don't want to hurt you..." Madonna/Whore complex stuff can be more pervasive then we realize sometimes...
But I think seeking out your total package and not accepting anything less is part of what helps a person find a relationship that is truly fulfilling. Lady in the parlor, cook in the kitchen, whore in the bedroom...ain't nothin' wrong with that... We ladies have our lists too ya know! ~
But it's really about how you are able to connect emotionally with another person that counts in the end. Finding someone that you can allow yourself to let go with, especially in one of our most vulnerable and personal areas of identity (sex)...that can be very powerful when that person not only accpets you, but embraces and revels in that with you.
Good luck with that! We all deserve to have everything we want in life, but the only way to get it is to go after it.
"The chemistry was instant and I spent the majority of time feasting on her most beautiful Y and she did not object to two fingers inside her, four fingers inside her, or even two fingers in her pussy and the other two fingers in her ass. Instead, she just thrashed around on the bed and enjoyed herself...even if only half of her orgasms were true, she was quite the glutton for my mouth.
Unbelievably, she did not object either to me slapping her or to me choking her...I suppose had I not made her climax a couple times before trying that it would have been different, but I was just amazed at what a true GFE it really was...I mean she seemed to really enjoy gagging on my cock and she must have gagged 100+ times as I fucked her face while my hands either pulled her hair or pulled her face as deep into my cock as possible.
Somebody tell me that this is NOT the norm with GFE or else I am going to be truly disappointed on what I have been missing for the better part of the last decade! I mean what I experienced tonight was double the cost of my normal hobbying, but it was not only twice the length, but it was also like ten times more intense and with a beautiful, likely educated, woman who seemed to be a class act, despite letting me totally have my way with her. Really, she was amazing and I would find a reasons to return to this city just to see this woman again.
We concluded with me splattering her face, usually an extra $50 charge she said, that she gave me on the house because I was "so fun." "
Is this fellow on the up-and-up or just maybe out on a troll? I think the latter. Isn't the "on the house" the giveaway? The whole post reads like a wish fulfillment or a guy warming up and getting ready to sit down and write some mediorce porn. If this is legit, I'll discontinue using an alias.
Yup, after reading the entire thread, I have concluded this was just a troll posting. Notice he never responded or followed up on any of the replies. He just posted and ran. Clearly just trying to get a rise, which he accomplished, and probably rubbing one out as he typed up his little sado-masochistic fantasy.
I guess it takes all kinds to make this world go round.
Really, I did not post this response to brag, to troll or to simply get attention...I sought out an honest response over whether I was missing out by not investing in higher priced providers.
Although most who responded were too closed minded to actually address my question, I do believe that I found the answer to my question (and that answer is "no, it is not a common occurrence with GFE providers to be able to have this type of experience.")
Even so, I do think I will start investing more in GFE women because even if I was unable to have the rough sex that I did, it still would have been a great experience with this provider...perhaps a 9 out of 10 rather than the 13 out of 10 experience I enjoyed.
Thanks for all the feedback, and as a reader of Don Miguel Ruiz, I am able to ignore all of the negative comments and realize that those who made the most scathing remarks have their own issues and they are not my issues. Me, I am in a wonderful monogamous relationship (except the occasional hobbying) with a very attractive, very educated woman nearly a decade my junior who tries to meet my every sexual need (except rimming which she won't do). It was only in this relationship that I really learned that some women do really enjoy the rough sex that I wrote about in my original post and I am very thankful for this exposure to another side of sexuality that I only learned recently.
In my first response, I glossed over the domination type tactics you expressed to this girl. I just figured you were both going with the flow and one thing led to another and she was enjoying the rough sex. Now that I see many other posters bringing this up as an issue, I would suggest that if you like this type of an encounter, you specifically seek out a girl who's into it.
Long story short, I once searched the key word "submissive" when searching in personal ads. A girl had in her ad that she considered herself to be submissive. I inquired further of what her definition of submissive was from her personal stand point. In a nut shell, she enjoyed what you were doing with the Asian-American escort you saw. The more questions I asked her, the more I found she was DEEP into this shit.
There were well over 100 miles between us, so we spent a lot of time emailing and phone chatting prior to planning to meet. I had picked her brain quite a bit and really found out what she was into. Zorro my brother, you would have LOVED this girl. Late 20's, 5' 6" 120 lbs, hot body, cute face, shoulder length hair, sweet and submissive, a nurse by profession. Looking at her, you'd never know she was into being dominated. Just a cute girl next door type.
I make the few hour drive to the city she lives in. It was our plan to meet for dinner and finally meet in person after so much email and phone chat. We met at an easy landmark to find. There was a mutual physical attraction. She knew I planned on getting a hotel room rather than driving hours back home the same night. So she suggested that I get the hotel room NOW and rather than go to dinner, we order dinner and have it delivered to the hotel room.
Zorro, let me tell you this, you NEED to hook up with a woman who is a submissive and who's into D/s and being dominated. I am NOT experienced and I wish I was. This girl was game for EVERY THING short of blood and welts on her face. (after all she is a nurse and can't go to work with whip marks on her face! ) The more I forced my cock down her throat, the more she loved it. She wanted her hair yanked and pulled as I forced her to suck my cock. As i was jamming my cock in her mouth, out her cheeks and forcing it down her throat, I slapped and spanked her ass cheeks red with my bare hand. She was disapointed that I did not have a whip or clothes pins for her nipples. Necessity is the mother of invention, I took my black leather belt off my pants and whipped her ass with it. Red welt marks appeared on her ass. She was entranced in a high from this treatment. Her eyes glossed over, she was in her element.
Again, I am inexperienced at this. She wanted me to take control. I was asking her if i was going too far. She said no "do not ask me, just do with me as you please". I condomed up my cock and with out even warming up her pussy, I went straight for her ass. Stuck my cock right in her ass doggie style and I pulled her hair from behind, forcing her neck to an awkward position and forcefully smacked her ass. I picked up my belt and with a length of about one and a half feet, I whipped her ass to where she had welts and belt grooves on her ass and upper thighs as I fucked her ass hole as dominating as I could. This whole party went on for 2 and a half to 3 hours. I was trying not to cum because I wanted the party to last. Her eyes are glossed over, she is loving it. She lives for encounters like this. I pull out of her ass, rip condom off and am forcing my cock in and out of her mouth via pulling her hair from behind. I am using her face and body as my fuck toy solely for my pleasure. I shoot cum in her mouth and pull out and smear some on her face. We lie down and I hold her firmly, expressing my new found love for her. I felt I was a rookie at this and I hoped I satisfied her.
Zorro, I can tell you this. For 2 or 3 years after this encounter, normal sex with women is boring and mundane. Once you experience the deep sadistic joys of dominating a slender, pretty, sweet and lovely girl who desires such treatment, normal sex becomes bland and boring. (that's part of the reason I see chicks with dicks too )
Try having a hot babe pee in your face and shit on your chest too. That is kinky fun too! More fun than licking her sweaty perfectly pedicured feet and toes!
You need to search for and seek girls who are into this. They are out there. Start via searching the word "submissive" and see where that leads you to. Best of luck. JH1
Aaaawwwww BB - It's all good. Real women, man made women, it's all the same shit. If they are skinny and pretty and fuck n suck nice, that's all that matters.
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