There are a million threads discussing how mongers can avoid LE (for instance, by checking TER reviews).  And there are threads on what to do if monger is busted (shut up, and if you do talk, don't lie).  But I'm wondering if any of the mongers here have actual experience getting busted?  

That's because we are in the know about how to avoid same.

It is now a Felony in Texas, even for 1st time offenders!

I was 20 years old in College. I had been to Massage Parlors a few times in Chicago, and for the most part did not have Enough money to afford.  So naturally just viewing ladies who were way out of my league was Fantasy enough. My friend let me borrow his car and I had a few minutes to spare in the neighborhood, so I thought “What the hell, why not check these ladies out”.

One time I walked into a sting operation.  I never made it into the room.  Was questioned outside the front door of the hotel for about an hour and released after saying nothing.  The escort inside was arrested according to LE plan.  They let me go after they took her away.

There are some old Cop shows and documentaries.  Sometimes, the ride along camera crew would document a prostitution sting. I am combining different recollections for dramatic effect, but (1) schlemiel shows up at cheap motel (2) knocks on door  (3) F voice within says, "Come in!" (4) schlemiel enters room and withing 2 seconds 800 pounds of cops pounce on the guy and force him to the floor while they are shouting "Show me your hands! Show me your hands!"  
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Here's a video (more tame than my version): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_5s8FSeS6w
Here's a takedown (skip to 19:00): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DtuwC44Mmk

In your first example, do you know how the sting was conducted?  Did the cops see her ad and show up at the hotel waiting for each john?  Or had hotel management ratted her out?

I had a provider, tell me one time the cops knocked on her hotel room door, and arrested both her and the guy in her room, I always wonder, as I am walking to her room, if the hotel staff is watch, and if they are, are they instructed to call the cops, if the see any suspicious activities happening, if a provider have multiple guys coming and going, that’s a red flag, I do notice from time to time, as I am leaving a provider room I get those looks, and I be wondering if the hotel staff knows or the people on the same floor,  that saw me coming and going knows. With all the cameras around I’m pretty sure we being watched, but as long as no cops are knocking on the provider room, I’m okay with the hotel staff knowing!

Reading everyday crime stories in the paper, 90% of the perps are locking themselves up with their mouths, thinking that they can outsmart the cops with some fancy footwork.    It never works.  They are pros and know how to trip you up.

For anyone who thinks that doing some basic research on the internet, asking questions on message boards where people are very eager to help you, and understanding basic rights equals having a game, needs his head examined by a shrink.  

"Street smarts" and all the other things you say can help minimize the risks but nothing is ever 100%. Reputable sites have been infiltrated before as well.  

Cops will often give you the reverse impression.  They'll give you the impression that if you're cool and honest, you might get off.  But if you're a jerk by not answering their simple questions, they'll be more likely to jam you up.  It's a ploy obviously, but I could see how some guys fall for that.  Especially if you think the cops already have enough evidence against you.

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There are no guarantees of complete safety, but:

This affluent suburb gets Federal money to fight Human Trafficking.  I remember the town offered a 3 day workshop on Human Trafficking which police were paid to attend, local hotel staff and concerned citizens were invited for free, with plenty of snacks and free lunches each day.  I was temped to attend as a concerned citizen, but did not have time available to go.

You wrote:  

How do you know that business hotels make a fair amount of their money off of cheaters and escorts/clients? Did you have a conversation with a desk clerk or maybe a finance person at a hotel chain or did you read the paper - "hotels pad their bottom line with escorts".   I believe that a more plausible explanation of why hotels don't give a fuck is that they do not want to be in the business of monitoring guests unless they have a real safety concern.  I also live in the DC area and based on the number and size of business hotels and the number of visiting hookers and locals I doubt that the hooker cohort contributes much to the bottom line.    

Dear Madam Stephanie,
However, since it is known that you have been a veteran of the game for well over a decade and a half .  Within that time, I am sure that you have taken the effort to ascertain the myriad of pitfalls that could transpire on a given evening.  That is one reason why you screen not only the prospective visitor but the venues of choice where you might entertain as well.  Then another benefit of being a participant on the boards is that members share critical information which will benefit you and your esteem visitors of any encounters with the local neighborhood constabulary.  Finally, if you had any doubt regarding the venues of choice or your visitors you would avoid the encounter totally considering that you already know that all money isn't good money.  With respect to the constabulary and being the astute businesswoman you are, I am sure that you pay particular attention to the months of late August through early November.  You tend to do this because you know that this is when they tend to be the most ostentatious because they know that interregnums could transpire during the election and they need to be seen as effective in doing their jobs.

Hey DuplicitousLust,

Anyone who has been busted by Law Enforcement...........Is asking for trouble.

He has a long history here of writing needlessly wordy and obscure posts. He seems to enjoy it. He's also harmless.

I know he is harmless….his post got on my nerves and I had to vent!

My source is not a desk clerk but a regional manager for a US-based international chain. I was talking to him about other things, and I asked him what share of the guests were from abroad, and he said not as many as you would think, maybe 5 percent, 10 percent at most depending on the location of the hotel within the DMV (walking distance to the Mall being the highest, suburbs being the lowest). It is also seasonal of course like everything in his business. I then asked whare share of guests came from the DMV, and he said probably a lot more than you think, about 20 percent (actually that is pretty near what I would have thought). Assuming that his chain is comparable to the others in that range (call it the Hyatt/IGH/Marriott/Sheraton/Hilton range), this doesn't nail down the share of pros and clients. To sketch out the Venn diagram, there are cheaters (or who knows, just people getting their house interiors repainted) who would be local but neither clients or escorts. On the other hand, touring gals pretty much always use hotels, and they aren't local.  Also, it presumably only applies to that range rather than the Motel 6/Red Roof Inn range at one end and the Four Seasons/Mandarin Oriental range at the other. That is why I didn't hazard a guess as to a specific share.

How is your friend defining a "local"? Statistical analysis of 1000s of registrations?  Using the Zip code used on registration? City, town, or suburb used on registration? "Are you local?" checkbox on registration? ... ?  Whether they spoke with a local accent when they checked in ("Hay! Yo!" vs. "Tut, tut, my good man. Can you please direct me to the lift?")  
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I don't know the DMV area, but some "local" business people in places like NYC and Boston still have a 1.5 - 2 hour commute each way.  On really busy days (late night working; early morning meetings), they would prefer to stay at a hotel near their workplace rather than do the commute.  They prefer it even more if they can bill it to the client!  
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Maybe they add in some hanky panky, but staying in a hotel on a workday is not that unusual for locals.  

He was a guy I met for a few conversations about other issues, not exactly a friend. I didn't want to reveal why I was asking, so I didn't get into census definitions of the DMV. My guess is that he had in mind DC and the Fairfax/Montgomery/PG/Arlington/Alexandria counties and the smaller jurisdictions within those boundaries. For marketing reasons, they pay attention to the the zip codes or countries of origin of the people who check in and they know what they are because you can't check in without a driver's license, passport or something else similar. It wouldn't matter much if you expanded it to Prince William, Manassas, and Frederick because they are small in population relative to the more central areas. The only big difference would be if you included the Baltimore area, but even that wouldn't skew the results that much given the sheer size of the central DMV area relative to the Baltimore area.  

Never in my life nor have I ever got a “funny feeling” about a client. I screen very thoroughly though. I know it can happen to anyone but I’m thankful it hasn’t happened to me — and I show my face on my ads.

I am sure that she is very flattered by your eloquent pick up lines.

He caught a virulent strain of literally one-upmanship.

This is absolutely true. What I I imagine would happen in the Jon's end or whatever, you will contact a provider to schedule an incall. Everything checks out and you feel a real connection with this girl just over the phone. Your excited for your appointment. You get ready and go to the appointment a few hours later and when the hotel room door opens in LE. You were talking to the cops that whole time and didn't have a clue. They tricked you. This is how it would go down Just stay diligent and never go off of a feeling. All sites are infiltrated and cops know the lingo.

Knock on wood.  However you can spot a potential LEO, FBI, or DHS agent close up by how they dress.  The most obvious giveaways are military style haircuts, 5.11 Spandex pants, military style boots or Solomon hiking shoes, and slightly oversized shirts to conceal their gear (firearm, radio, and etc).

I was not independent, and was new to the industry. The agency books your calls it was LE. They set up a hotel room, and it is a misdemeanor in SoCAL. I got an attorney, and the case was dismissed because of LE's wrong doings. I screen my own potential clients, and have never been busted, since working for an agency in College over 20 years ago.

I recently got ghosted by a high-end, reputable lady with an outstanding record. We'd exchanged a pleasant and professional series of screening and confirmation emails leading up to the day, then several hours before go time, things went silent. The next day she told me she had been busted while doing an outcall, and blamed it on a rare lapse in thorough screening. Never got to see her, but I believe her.

Your "5 boxes" are fine but there's a lot more to it than that. A few examples:
1) Did she screen you well? Screening not only protects her; it protects you.
2) Is she an indie? LE tends not to go after them because agencies bag you more arrests for the effort. That said, I used agencies a lot but they were well-known to be reputable and to screen well.
3) Oh, and putting aside the LE question, Aldo Antonio is notorious for photo-shopping his pix. I always take Aldo's pix with several grains of salt. A Savvy, Street-Smart Monger would know that.

Says the guy with one review from 2 years ago lmao. You sound like a cop

Lurker316,  
   It's all about paying attention to your surroundings. And yes providers are as much of a victim as the hobbyist.

Regardless what LE is doing at any time. They will have to prove that there's human trafficing going on. All hobbyists & providers have to do is be aware of their surroundings and stay 1 step ahead of LE.

All they have to prove is prostitution, which is a separate crime. SESTA/FOSTA was created specifically to facilitate human trafficking busts, but laws against prostition existed long before that and still do.

As far as I am concerned........Yes they do. Otherwise the people that are being arrested for human trafficing  can take them to court and suite them for false arrest.

I agree with inicky.  Human trafficking involves forcing people to do things without compensation.  Roughly half of those trafficked are sex workers, the rest are agricultural, domestic, and other industries.  An agency can be guilty of trafficking, but a provider would be the trafficked victim, not the criminal.  A provider can be charged with prostitution, but not with trafficking.  Of course, any charge has to be proven or resolved by a plea.

I don't quite understand why the lady above doesn't get this distinction, which seems pretty clear to you and me.

I get the whole deal with LE.  But when it comes to Human Trafficing & Prostitution.  The LE does have to prove that the female is prostituting (Unless the obvious signs are there. She indicates sex for money & Etc.).  And as far as Human Trafficing goes.......Unless there's distress there (Meaning unless it is obvious that the person that is being trafficing is being forced to deal with the situation, then the LE can't do a damn thing. They may feel/believe that they can, but they can't.

if you google Pot Brothers STFU  on youtube  . It ill give you invaluable advice on how to act

I deal a lot with Vice units in various cities. And a lot of those dudes look more like gangbangers (not the porno kind) than cops. Most PDs require UC experience to make it into Vice so these guys know how to play the part and blend in well.