so I'm looking at a profile on p411 and she has it linked to TER, but when you follow it the message says that her profile has been removed.
I'm assuming this is typically done at the provider request.
My immediate reaction is this is not good - did she have bad reviews and decided to shut it down?
I probably should just pass.
Am I oversimplifying? Anyone knows of legit good reasons for profile removal to happen?
but it can also be because its a sanction for violating TER rules with respect to reviews, board posts or advertising content.
With that said, rebranding of a provider who wants to hide from bad reviews is probably the most common reason for self-delisting.
But now many ladies who had above average to stellar reviews don't want to be part of the "review culture". TER wants to keep provider profiles/reviews up not take them down. Not saying there are exceptions to what I've said here thou.
Steph XO
I have to agree with Steph above.
I have stayed in touch with providers who I no longer see professionally. Just because of the friendship we developed. And I’ve heard the same sentiment expressed.
I do not pretend to know what caused it. But there has been a distinct increase in dissatisfaction with reviews and review sites among the members of the provider community with whom I’ve stayed in contact over the past several years. I’ve heard that phrase “review culture” accompanied by the word “toxic” several times from different providers.
There are not authoritative surveys. So all this is highly subjective. As with everything in this pursuit (or whatever you want to call it), YMMV.
Every lady has her own reasons for delisting, unless you know her personally I wouldn't worry about it
Some don't feel that Ter is fair to them on that front, as well as not allowing women to reply to reviews. They also find great difficulty in getting fake reviews removed, which can place a provider in a very awkward spot with future clients as they may not perform certain sex acts listed in the fake review. Those are legit, good reasons, wouldn't you say?
I don't get the whole misogyny argument. This isn't a 9 to 5 office job service, it's a place where providers come to offer there service and clients come to search for those specific services.
Fake reviews? Even if there are some fake reviews out there most men will exclude them and go with the consensus pattern of reviews in her profile. The whole fake review thing itself would be less difficult if it weren't for those who just gave shitty sessions then cried about the review being fake because it lowered their scores. IMO TER is super fair, and weeds out alot of the bs.
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You need to face facts - some ladies dislike the whole "review culture". I know a few personally who provide outstanding service and had great reviews but they chose to delist and get off of TER.
And I've also known women who specifically request that no reviews be submitted for them.
That's just the way it is.
They seem to only dislike the whole "review culture" once they've built up a decent amount of clientele (from reviews) to not need reviews.
Not all fake reviews are negative. Since one motivation for fake reviews is to get free VIP time, many fake reviews are just plagiarized events from previous reviews. The reviewer will embellish with his own particular fiction. This is where providers can sometimes spot fake reviews. The reviewer will mention certain things, clothing, locations, etc that never existed.
kiss more provider ass and put them up on pedestals more will come back here and remind us what miserable losers we are. If we DON'T do that, then its because we are misogynists. Those dots don't really connect for me either, but Rob's kind of suck up to the ladies. I'm not saying that's necessarily bad. Who knows what kinds of perks he getting for being a submissive male. Lol
No one puts them up on pedestals more than you do. Your reviews remind us of what a miserable loser you are. You score them 2 or 3 points higher than what TER says they should get based on your description of their performance. You really suck up to K-girls. I'm not saying that's necessarily bad. Who knows what kinds of perks you are getting for being a submissive male. Lol
Still no life of your own without me?
which of your stalkers posted. Unless you read the post and are pretending you didn't, which is exactly what you did. And of course you couldn't rebut a single word of my post, which got four "likes" BTW. Keep pretending you're not reading my posts, moron.
That's what some girls say when they move onto Twitter. Twitter is going thru cycles of change. Lots of girls posting about deposits and real references. Many are realizing poor results, and this takes time to sink in.
TER is tried and True. I will continue writing reviews for the benefit of girls I see. [Thankfully my experiences have been good and my reviews are positive.]
Twitter will come and go. Can be entertaining to read, and a huge time-suck if you have spare time to waste.
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I have a dear friend who has legal issues, and reviews on TER under a certain name can be connected to her. I know this is legit because I've met her attorney. Serious stuff.
Ask a girl before writing a review.
Ask a girl before writing a review.
I find it hard to believe a TER review can be anything beyond hearsay and therefore inadmissible in court.
I know attorneys who would disagree with you.
It would be interesting to hear how a review written anonymously on a public forum with no checks as to its veracity could be entered into any court evidence. But I would like to hear a lawyer to thinks otherwise.
I doubt a TET review could survive a hearsay objection. There would be two levels of analysis.
First, does it qualify as a business record. That would require the Custodian of Records of TER to testify in Court, under oath, that the review was made in the ordinary course of business at or about the time of the event documented in the review, and that the review accurately depicts the events narrated therein. This would be very difficult because (1) I doubt a TER Custodian is going to voluntarily come to the USA from Europe to testify, and (2) the Custodian could not truthfully testify that the review accurately depicts a real event because the author has verified as a condition of submitting the review that it is a fictional narrative.
The second level would be the credibility of the author of the review. For the review to be admitted for the truth of the matter contained therein (i.e., that the sex occurred as described in the review) the Court would have to be satisfied as to the author’s veracity, meaning TER would be required to “out” the author and the author would have to testify in Court, under oath. And, the author would be entitled to assert his Fifth Amendment right not to testify, making this element even more difficult for the proponent of the review.
I’d venture an estimate that it’s 10000 to 1 against a TER review ever being admitted in Court over a hearsay objection. I’m certainly not an expert, but I’ve been a trial lawyer for 40 years with 130 trials under my belt so I have a little experience in these matters.
One area of confusion on legal matters is that LE press releases often mention things that will never be allowed in evidence in court. Some people assume that the public case is the one presented in court. LE can say anything they want to the press. Not so to the jury.
Correct. And they can use hearsay to get warrants. So reviews could be used for that purpose. They just aren’t admissible in a trial or evidentiary hearing without proper foundation.
Pretty sure that the legal status of the reviews would be testimony from a participant with direct knowledge of the event. Hardly hear-say.
Circumstantial evidence but not hear-say I would think.
The review itself or the reviewer on the stand? That's quite a different story.
A review is hearsay. The person who wrote the review would have to be put on the stand to testify - that would NOT be hearsay.
I always remember it this way - "you can't cross-examine a piece of paper".
There are exceptions to hearsay, one of those that I know of is "business records".
If you have testimony from the participant(s) you don’t need the review. It would at most be used to refresh recollection or to impeach if the live testimony is inconsistent with the written review.
Seems to be everyone is taking "legal reasons" to imply the lady is perhaps being charged with prostitution. That may or may not be the case. All we know is that the real person can be legally linked to the alias the reviews were written about.
My point was that the reviews themselves are clearly factual in the sense anyone could log in an read the review, see who it was written about and so link that review directly to the real person with the legal problem. Does the claim that these are in fact true always matter? I would think that depends on the specific legal setting. If you want to prove she performed sex for pay then yes the reviews would need to be proven and on their own be insufficient as evidence for that claim.
But what about a case of child custody, separation or employment? In such a legal situation I'm much less sure that the truth of P4P versus just the fact reviews existing and the image created. In that case there would not be any issue of hearsay, I don't think, as the issue at point is image created/life style/environmental aspect clearly documented by the review existing (not the content of the review).
Yeah. People on another site that rubs some maps have always cried that reviews were used by Leo's to indict workers, but in fact those reviews were mostly used by Leos to pressure landlords and businesses nearby,anf the most graphically explicit ones would be chosen for this purpose.
Ie, they were not used as legal evidence but more of a tool to shock/sway people they wanted to shock/sway
Not so fast. Google "league of gentlemen seattle"
That case contained hours of audio recording by an undercover officer who had infiltrated the group and attended their meetings. As dcgrind explained, the reviews in that case only corroborated the audio confessions that LE obtained undercover. One thing they never said to my knowledge was whether the cop had to fuck Kgirls to maintain his cover within the group and whether taxpayers paid for his sessions. I think without the shared experience of seeing certain girls that came up in conversation frequently, his ability to conceal he was LE would have been difficult.
Interesting situation ... I wonder if undercover LE could go to an appointment, claim to have a headache or ED or appear drunk or be too tired or whatever, have a friendly CLOTHED cuddle session or 1 hour nap and use that as evidence?
That case contained hours of audio recording by an undercover officer who had infiltrated the group and attended their meetings. As dcgrind explained, the reviews in that case only corroborated the audio confessions that LE obtained undercover. One thing they never said to my knowledge was whether the cop had to fuck Kgirls to maintain his cover within the group and whether taxpayers paid for his sessions. I think without the shared experience of seeing certain girls that came up in conversation frequently, his ability to conceal he was LE would have been difficult.
Evidence that NO CRIME was committed. lmao
Come on IMP, keep up please. lol
For the record, it's a well known fact that "some" members of LE have actually had sex with their victims, err suspects, before arresting them right after doing the deed.
In most jurisdictions this kind of behavior is not tolerated, but there are several documented cases of this happening.
Minneapolis stopped allowing cops to get happy endings in their massage parlor busts not that many years ago.
just tip like everyone else?
That law only changed in 2014.
from his captain to go through with the sessions to keep his cover intact during the nearly-2-year investigation, and he failed to take advantage of it, then he's the dumbest fucking cop on the planet. Lol
an attorney who bills by the hour.
Hey now!
excepted, of course. Lol
I had a good friend who was outed at her job. They decided to place her on suspension and pursue an investigation. During the investigation, they found her TER reviews. Although her employer didn't pay to read the reviews, the TER profile was a major strike due to what's listed in the profile (re: blowjob, CIM, touch pussy, lick pussy, etc.). The TER profile, in addition to her photos, albeit blurred, was enough for her employer to let her go. Now, that was an employer and not the legal world, but having reviews can hurt us in various ways.
Yes, I can imagine that even without the "juicy details" getting outed and having her TER profile discovered by an employer could very easily end up with your friend getting fired.
That said, you are incorrect when you claim here employer could read her profile as to her "services offered" (re" blowjob, CIM, touch pussy, lick pussy, etc) That information is ONLY available and visible to VIP members. IOW her employer would have had to have paid in order to read that part of her reviews/profile. Unless of course her employer opted to write a couple of reviews instead. lol
Yes, I can imagine that even without the "juicy details" getting outed and having her TER profile discovered by an employer could very easily end up with your friend getting fired.
That said, you are incorrect when you claim here employer could read her profile as to her "services offered" (re" blowjob, CIM, touch pussy, lick pussy, etc) That information is ONLY available and visible to VIP members. IOW her employer would have had to have paid in order to read that part of her reviews/profile. Unless of course her employer opted to write a couple of reviews instead. lol
I can see it now, one of her supervisors is going to tell her "I know you are sucking dick for a living because as a VIP TER member I have read your reviews" ROFOMFAO
I can see it now, one of her supervisors is going to tell her "I know you are sucking dick for a living because as a VIP TER member I have read your reviews" ROFOMFAO
Corporate worlds are not paragons of evenhandedness or fair play. Leverage for or against people is used all the time to get what corporate wants.
Think outside the narrow boxes.
I am the boss of my company and having once been a hooker would NEVER be a reason that I would fire someone.
I will concede that in any decent sized company the chances of at least one of the execs being a TER member are probably pretty good. lol
Yes - you are correct in that VIPs can only read those details. However, the public can see the actual words of the categories without having to be logged in. The public can also read about a provider's physical details. Even that little bit of information, in addition to any other information they can find, be it ads, social media, a blog, etc. along with other photos, would be enough for someone to 1+1= 2.
So yes... partially right but also partially wrong.
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that those physical traits only have a vague correlation to reality, most times.
We understand that. However, we're talking about how people outside of this industry would view this. People who probably have some pretty, for lack of a better word, "shitty" hot takes about this industry. To them, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.
These places are more than likely using “preponderance of evidence,” standard as opposed to “beyond a reasonable doubt” like the criminal justice system. Preponderance of evidence means that it is “more likely than not” (i.e. 51% likely) that a violation of a contract, most likely against a padded and tucked away "morality" clause, was made.
I knew a girl.that copied & pasted some positive TER reviews on her web site. TER delisted her. That's a violation.
Some girls want to stay under the radar. I saw a girl I saw only on P411. She was one of the best I have ever seen..she sajd... no reviews.. I agreed. She has no interest in being reviewed.
Great point! You're finding more ladies wanting to stay clear of review sites to limit unwanted "exposure", so to speak. (They have a good business with a steady clientele and they're perfectly OK with their setup.)
Like has been said, I am sure there are different reasons. I can give you one I found just now.
A provider I know well was called out in numerous reviews for major photoshop, age was way off and not delivering as promised. She told me when she "gets caught," meaning enough reviews get posted with the facts, she just deletes her profile and starts again. While TER works hard to prevent this, she said it is not hard to do.
I have found in the post covid / FOSTA world, the hobby is much less friendly than it used to be. I used to have lots of amazing ladies, many who became friends. That is much more rare today.
Apparently, TER doesn't want to remove fake reviews anymore and will only put "Provider disputes the review" at the top of it. I'd much rather have less-than-wholly-positive, REAL reviews, than glowing yet fake ones. But TER doesn't care.
In contrast, I've had REAL Yelp reviews I've written removed when I was never asked to prove I was a client or customer. I wrote and offered proof but Yelp never responded.
The opposite is the case here on TER where I cannot respond to reviews the way businesses on Yelp can AND the reviews remain without any proof from the reviewer that he ever even contacted me.
Clearly, TER does not care about providers' opinions on this policy and many others. 
Apparently, TER doesn't want to remove fake reviews anymore and will only put "Provider disputes the review" at the top of it. I'd much rather have less-than-wholly-positive, REAL reviews, than glowing yet fake ones. But TER doesn't care.
In contrast, I've had REAL Yelp reviews I've written removed when I was never asked to prove I was a client or customer. I wrote and offered proof but Yelp never responded.
The opposite is the case here on TER where I cannot respond to reviews the way businesses on Yelp can AND the reviews remain without any proof from the reviewer that he ever even contacted me.
Clearly, TER does not care about providers' opinions on this policy and many others.
TER doesn't care about mongers either if they suggest a review is fake -- all comes down to the same problem: How does TER actually prove truth of any claim and to what standard of certainty?
Had not realized they started tagging any with a "Disputed" tag somewhere.
Secret Shopper Authentication
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/secret-shopper-authentication-983839
" Mystery shoppers, which are gig workers or independent contractors submit detailed reports and feedback about their experiences. " ( from the wiki link you provided)
So you think TER is going to pay some of us to write detailed reviews based on some criteria they defined/identified as important features of the service and looks?
I suspect that is not happening at an level that would change review quality without bankrupting the owners of TER and so kill the site.
Good luck on getting the “The Provider Disputes this Review “ statement to remain
Familiar with the following.
The dispute was on services provider provided if she had even seen said client.
In a case she provided proof . Reviewer provider proof? and review stood with the removal of the claim.
Provider now delisted.
As a client one can often tell it is a fake as details are wrong ( not as easy now as site does not require as much detail) but if send notice to TER they respond with have provider dispute and most will give up before they get through the runaround.
Another provider who mentioned this happening still has it on a review from January of this year. Interestingly, it seems PMing the reviewer is not possible now; does that mean he was kicked off TER?
They put that on one of my own reviews, which was posted in April. I wrote to TER and explained it was clearly fake but they never responded to me. A client recently mentioned that it now has the "provider disputes...." statement at the top but I don't know when that was added.
Same as with the other lady who first mentioned this, PMing the reviewer is apparently not an option now.
Does this mean TER is banning fake-review writers but allowing their reviews to remain?
Seems illogical to me but..... not my playground, not my rules. 
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Personally, I never delete anything I worked on//started//created because I like to feel I can return to it, in the future (for work and money.) Occassionally, I remember an event//person from that location//business//website, and i need to double-check everything about them. I never feel comfortable when I am banned, or when the business location//website changes, and I am cut off from them.
This is why:
It's not really the reviews. It's not TER itself. Its a great concept and they are the OG of review sites.
I know so many providers with excellent reviews who delisted. Let me break it down for you:
It's a certain type of TER member and the culture that members create and allow to happen here. Change the culture here, things would come back.
1. We are super tired of reading we are entitled BSC, PPS providers and how ridiculous we are for running our businesses how we see fit. Seriously, if you were a provider and read these threads would you think its a great place to get good clients?
2. You have no idea how often we are threatened by TER members about them leaving us a bad review. And not for normal stuff - if we don't give a discount, do something that is CLEARLY not on the menu, extra free time. It's A LOT.
3. We know some members hit up the new providers to say they will give them a good review for a free session and it's a normal thing - then they find out it is not. VERY COMMON BY A CERTAIN GROUP.
4. The emails saying the whitelist is enough and then trying to scare us by threatening a bad review.
5. Why put yourself through the hassle, reviews aren't as necessary as they were 15 years ago. The people above is why the word 'slobbyist' was coined and TER is taking the fall for it. They should double their membership fee's for what was created here by members.
One tipsy night I may start naming handles and having providers who still have accounts share their inbox messages / handles of guys who are known for doing the above. It's going to be a real eye opener. Hint: A lot of vocal posters here will suddenly become VERY quiet.
Not all TER members are like this. But it doesn't matter because of the optics of the boards / issues above.
If I was a newer provider today and looking for good places to find clients, I would not want to be listed here. It's a pity. it was really useful back in the day. I don't posts ads here anymore. I just pop in once in a while.
Ter would be VERY wise to take down everything but reviews, ad listings and MAYBE city only boards. And make a private client boards for paying members.
Now go cry how we are all so mean to you about the site you ruined.