This was posted on a provider's website. What exactly does that mean?  

that the "review culture" is no longer necessary to get clients. Lots of women seem to be doing just fine without reviews. Their clients? Not so much.

If you do not participate in the review culture why do you care what it means?

He didn't say that HE didn't participate. Re-read his post.

You're naive. Plenty of women maintain their business without reviews or at least without reviews on TER.  

I get that.

My observation is that given the number of escort sites (Tryst, Eros, Bedpage, Slixa, Hot, AdultSearch, P411, agencies, ad infinitum), the enormous number of ladies advertising escort services (scams or not) vastly out numbers the escorts that receive reviews (here and elsewhere).

True ... but ...  
It is being suggested here, politely so far, that clients often do not screen and evaluate and thus often do get scammed, and that providers are making money that way.

How does a girl with shitty reviews still get clients?

They'll need it!

IMHO:  

One is a tantra provider who doesn't wish to be associated with the everyday escort scene, so has requested that I not review her, though if she wanted I would leave a very favorable review.

In general I have noticed that women who don't like reviews have fallen into a few buckets.
1) Aging providers that used to have reviews but don't appreciate that their review scores fall as they age. They're hoping to continue to coast on their reputation and 10 year old pictures.  
2) Providers that don't engage in more taboo or extreme acts. TER has requirements to get a perfect 10 on performance. Women that want to have anal sex are usually the top of this list.  
3) Non GFE providers.
4) Providers that are overweight or not good looking.

Seeing ladies without reviews brings big risk. No question.

Of course she can choose not to participate in reviews.  But some of my older clients have told me about the times before the Internet when everything was hit or miss and in fact dangerous in all respects - LE, scams, shakedowns.  I think sometimes we forget that "review culture" does a lot to keep things safe.

if you have a network of fellow mongers who will recommend/vouch for unreviewed girls they've seen. That has worked out quite nicely for me. You also don't need reviews if you're cruising the meat markets of Costa Rica, Panama and similar spots.

Bingo!

Times changed, and they no longer needed what TER had to offer, as Twitter, and other social media platforms, helped them to get new clients. Many of these women had/have very high rates, and don't need a lot of dates to make serious money.
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When they say "they don't participate in review culture" some mean they don't like the way that TER does it, as many have flocked to their competitor after swearing off reviews. But of course, some have rid themselves of reviews completely, for as you say, the regulars they have is enough for them, along with their Tryst ad, X account, word of mouth, etc. which brings in some newer clients as well.

I'm just using the reviews to confirm they are not undercover cops or scammers and that their pics are real....my sexual tastes are very vanilla so even a provider with super strict rules that disallows certain things is not a big deal to me as long as I am physically attracted to her.

When you've been around for 18 years your client base can sustain you and there are always new clients coming on board who are not associated with TER.

What's up bro!

UTRs don't want their name out there.  I saw a girl a few times before she faded out of the business who was doing it part time.  Didn't want her boss to find her or a crazy ex.

the OP has no reviews under his TER handle.

From a couple of ladies, I've heard a slightly different version of Smoke's second point.  The story goes:  The provider will establish a comfort level with a client (YMMV) and therefore will feel more comfortable shifting their boundaries.  And prefer that new clients, with whom they have not established a rapport, don't arrive expecting those same services.  Or, so I've been told.

He hasn’t started back up on politics yet. So he’s got that going for him. 😂

I used to post regularly on a politics board and the people there, even when politically opposite, were not even remotely as nasty as some of the posters are on here...sheesh....

It's a legit question. You are complaining about providers not accepting reviews, yet you have no reviews posted?

I paid to be on here like anyone else so have the right to post anything and ask any question I want.

that's because he's new to this

If the “he” is you … you haven’t seen any provider in the four months you’ve been posting here whom you could review?

Or are you saying you are new to this?

I am referring to myself.

I get what you're saying. I am one of those that doesn't care for reviews. I used to participant until a client embellished his review. From what I've been told is that guys appreciate that I've been around 20+ years and face out. (given some breaks hear and there). I don't do the same things with every client, if they want a feel for me then look at my website or social media.

When it comes to menu items come in with a clean dick, groomed, no bad breath, and filed fingernails and a respectful attitude you may find more then one extra not on a menu list on a first visit and if you have any class will not make the highlight portion of the review. Has happened many times and the main qualifier is hygene and attitude.  
One is reviewing the provider not his own sexual prowess.

all seem to agree that it's reviews that drive the business to the ladies.  Are you saying your experience is different than theirs, or are you talking about women who are not associated with agencies and are independent in every sense of the word?

I always wanted to start a separate thread on this.

This would have been a good other thread. But to be honest, I can’t tell if you’re really asking or you’re telling us what you think of it.

A bit of both. I'm asking and telling what I think of it and how I reached this conclusion. No other argument so far has convinced me. Maybe there will be some new viewpoints that change that.

Cyber bullying OMG go cry somewhere else lol. Here's the deal with reviews. Some clients out there only see very well reviewed ladies. Other clients do not leave reviews, only read reviews. The obvious problem is that if every client took this approach we would never have any reviews. New providers would never get reviews and clients will not get up to date information. So while you have the right to post on these boards like everyone else, don't expect helpful responses. You aren't providing any information so don't expect any information in return. What you are experiencing is called "reciprocity."  You can't expect a seat at the table if you aren't brining anything to the table. Paying for VIP only allows you to read reviews. It doesn't mean other members of the board owe you anything. You have the right to ask any question you want but that doesn't mean we owe you a useful response.  
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That being said I post behind an Alias so take anything I say with a grain of salt.

Speaking as someone who has been an active reviewer, it's certainly true that if everyone declined to write reviews this site would not exist. That said, anyone who's paying for VIP membership IS providing some value to the site and deserves to post and receive information. So, while I prefer everyone reviews, I know that's just never going to happen and I've always been willing to share advice with those who choose not to review.

Wonder if it's not also worth noting that that there is a bit of a fuzzy gray line between the sugar world and escort world. I don't know of any real review site like TER -- where a review DB exists that is searchable and filterable -- for sugar babes. So the search techniques there differ from review-based search for escorts. But, not all escorts are strict ad only type escorts so accept a certain amount of back and forth with potential clients, that is they don't see that type of contact from a client as being a time waster.  

I think for me, I try to put myself in someone else's shoes to understand them. From some clients perspective, I can see why you would think it's a good thing. And, I'm not saying for my own purpose that I completely disagree. And I say some, because TER is only capturing a percentage of clients. So, naturally, reviews will matter more to those who are actually aware of and reading them.

Maybe she means that she is NOT writing her own reviews?  Or participate on the TER Boards? Or does not want to discuss anything about the review culture during the sessions.  BTW, why do you care where she gets her clients from?

for me when it comes to reviews.   I have a reliable network of LA mongers who will share information on girls who don't yet have reviews.  Without a recommendation from a trusted hobby bro, I will not see unreviewed girls.

A recommendation from a trusted provider. A girl that knows what you like, can be an invaluable tool in helping find other, not yet reviewed woman.

Yes. Most agencies do not last as long as we have (18 yrs), nor do they have the sustainable business model that we have had. So yes, my experience has been different I would assume. Good business practices and word of mouth goes a long way in cultivating a client base. We no longer have to rely as much on reviews like in our early days.

This is a topic that has been beaten to death over and over. Lets do it one more time! What is culture? Well this is what Wikipedia says:
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"Culture (/ˈkʌltʃər/ KUL-chər) is a concept that encompasses the social behavior, institutions, and norms found in human societies, as well as the knowledge, beliefs, arts, laws, customs, capabilities, attitudes, and habits of the individuals in these groups.[1] Culture often originates from or is attributed to a specific region or location."
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When providers talk about "review culture" they are talking about the behavior, norms, beliefs, attitudes and habits of clients that write reviews and hang out on review boards. To be blunt, they think reviewers are assholes and don't want to do business with them. The criticisms are fairly consistent; they say reviewers tend to be cheap, entitled, demanding and unreasonable with a healthy bit of misogyny mixed in. We've talked about this topic a few times. I think providers have a point but you seem to be pretty dismissive of these concerns. That's the gist of it though. Its just a fancy way for providers to say they think reviewers are bad clients and are not worth the hassle or money.

reviews here the same year I started writing them under my CDL username, 2015.  How does that make him "new" to this?

I'm not fully going to disagree, because there may be some like you say that don't want to do business with reviewers. But as someone who has seen a few ladies who don't want reviews and/or have delisted, the ones I saw were plenty happy to do business with me. They just didn't want reviews. Honestly, I can't tell you for sure if they delisted or not, because that's not the question I asked them. I asked if they wanted a review. And, they declined, sometimes making it very clear they do not like reviews nor the culture. But they said they enjoyed me as a client and hoped I would be back. And, sometimes I repeated and enjoyed their company multiple times.

ANYTHING FOR SURE.   This is just the last paragraph of four lines:

So now it's not only the guys who write reviews but also hang out on hobby message boards?

But I have put myself in the sellers shoes.

Sold a product or service?

Personally, no. Does being someone who makes the product and the passes it off for others to sell, count? If it somehow does, then yes.  

And no, merely making a product does not count. So if, by your own admission, you have never done it, how are you so certain how much marketing you would use if you ran a company?

I have a certain set of beliefs and convictions that I don't change for nobody.

You, self admittedly, are talking about something you have no expertise in and have zero experience with. People like yourself are the very least qualified to judge the actions of others who actually run businesses.  
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It’s easy to find fault with a team, or player, when you are sitting in the bleachers and have no skin in the game. Step onto the field and your entire perception of what you are critisizing will change.  
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If that wasn't bad enough you then make this ridiculous statement:
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"I have a certain set of beliefs and convictions that I don't change for nobody."  
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That sounds more like religion to me, and it tells me you are not only inexperienced, and lack expertise, but you are not open to the possibility you could be wrong about something, and worse, unwilling to learn from people much smarter than you on this topic. That's a horrific combination to possess to better oneself, but you do you...I guess.

Scammers are not providers. Are there some providers that are scammers? Yes, of course. But the majority of the time when someone gets scammed there is no provider that ever existed. There are a ton of the AI generated profiles that exist on X and tryst and I am sure many other sites. Some 27 year old tech boy is running 348 different "provider" profiles and raking in the dough. If anyone ever gets scammed by an actual provider they should let everyone know. From the pool of clients that I see the ones that have gotten scammed have yet to send me anything to show it is any semblance of an actual provider.

"It’s easy to find fault with a team, or player, when you are sitting in the bleachers and have no skin in the game. Step onto the field and your entire perception of what you are critisizing will change. "

It was YOU that said this, not I:
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"I have a certain set of beliefs and convictions that I don't change for nobody."  
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That's obviously a statement that you refuse to learn. People who are open to learning are open to being wrong and changing based on that but you made it VERY clear that you NEVER change. Sorry to use your own words against you, but you really need to own them.

I'm sorry if there is nothing I can do to change my opinion that a murder or theft or a deliberate lie for profit are wrong and unacceptable.  

Have any providers bought sex?
Have they written a sex buy review?

Unable to address my criticism of you, I see. Well this is a discussion board last time I checked and when you make a comment that I disagree with, I am entitled to voice that disagreement.  
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That isnt "changing the discussion" its calling you out on your lack of experience and expertise. If you didn't want to be challenged here, then don't post. But as long as you make uneducated statements, I can critique them.

Years ago there were several providers who were also hobbyists.  

Providers were IN THE ROOM that a reviewer writes his review about! lol. That's how they can comment...they were first hand eyewitnesses AND participates!!! Incredible I have to point this obvious fact out to you! LOL!

What uneducated statement did I make?

The assumption here is that the review is truthful and honest.

I do not care one way or the other if someone writes a review, but a big one I hear again and again is guys expect a session to go exactly like a review on the provider. It should ALWAYS be YMMV. I have had guys think we were going to have major make out sessions when in fact there was no way I was going near that mouth with 4 teeth missing and the other looking black, nor was I letting that mouth near my money maker. Some guys may put in a review that the gal does not require a condom when in fact she has always. Or maybe a one off she was OK not using a condom but now all clients that read that review think that is the norm. There are also going to be the nefarious of course, but the scammers are not going to care.  They will rebrand, if they even are a provider, and start over.

Unlike you, I try not to speak in absolutes unless I am stating facts from a story. But you live on a high horse and often speak in absolutes because you think you know everything. You don’t know what it means to be humble, show openness to different thoughts, and to recognize that you could be wrong. I share my opinions, but understand I’m not some God of knowledge that places himself above others. I leave the being an asshole to trolls like you.

Classic Qwordy. Gets his act kicked and then diverts from a provider "commenting" on a review to then, when busted on that, he then moves to the provider "controlling the thoughts" of a reviewer. Oh, ok, lol.  
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You are all of the place and I clearly make you nervous. Little advice...Calm down. Relax. And look over your previous posts before you knee jerk in response to me. I am making you look really bad bc you are panicking and making massive mistakes.

Twisting my nickname around. Yawn. How mature.

….and is certainly an apt moniker for you.

Ah so you think twisting nicknames around is clever. Great.

…it’s an accurate description.  Are you denying that your posts are “wordy?”

Spreading disputes elsewhere will result in suspension.”

I know you have your bias about taking a monger's word over that of agency or provider but the empirical evidence points to some healthy skepticism of both. There are plenty of examples that have been pointed out in TER over the years of both fake provider side reviews and attacks from both disgruntled clients and competitor providers/agencies.

Think you might be taking yourself, and this place, a tad too seriously? Lighten up bro. Life is short. Chill.

I understand not everything is black and white but in reality you're being very wishy washy and mostly just speculating. We don't have to speculate. Many providers are very vocal on social media and you can always talk to them during your appointments. Providers don't like TER these days. Many providers vocally defended their no review policy on social media and have explicitly said they don't want "slobbyists" as clients. Sure, many of them will still see guys that write reviews but they know they screen out a large percentage of problem clients by simply not accepting reviews. Just think of all the guys on this board who have said they will only see well reviewed providers. How many of them are asshole trolls?

These are just semantics games. I can't answer your question because I'm not a provider. I don't know what you are trying to get at because you're mostly just splitting hairs and trying to argue hypotheticals. You can sit here and try to argue that the providers are wrong or incorrect but it doesn't matter. They don't need you to validate their thoughts or actions. No provider is going to give a shit if you think their policy or thinking is inconsistent. It is pointless. The providers with no review policies are probably the kind of provider you want to avoid anyway. Just accept your framing as is. Per your thinking, the providers with a no review policy have terrible customer service. Why waste time complaining about providers that don't meet your standards? Just book the ones that do meet your standards.

And, perhaps, I don't agree with your point either. You seem to want one answer to be the right answer. And, because I don't fit into your one answer box, you call me wishy washy. Sorry, but that doesn't fly with me.

I'm not saying there is one right answer but you're not providing answers. You're mostly just asking a bunch of questions and making a bunch of suppositions. This is a big beautiful universe there are always unique cases and exceptions But an exception is, by definition, something that is not the norm. If you want to search out exceptions here and there you'll blind yourself to the truth and miss the forest for the trees. You can pick and choose what evidence you want to see but I based my conclusions on the preponderance of evidence. I'm also going to point out that you're using faulty evidence to support your claims. Reading what is posted on this board is terrible evidence because any provider that posts on this board PARTICIPATES IN REVIEW CULTURE! They are not the girls who "DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN REVIEW CULTURE."  
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You make a fair point about providers on here participating in review culture. But you're missing something. Providers have provider friend circles. They talk to each other. They spend more time talking to each other than any of us are likely to spend talking to a provider we paid to see. They go shopping, grab lunch, have dinner, etc... Some of them tour together and share a hotel room. I wouldn't dismiss a providers perspective on this topic just because she herself allows reviews. If I was, I might as well dismiss most of the men here, since we are here because we mostly prefer to see reviewed ladies. We believe in TER for a reason. Now, I'm sure many of us may see ladies not reviewed. How often may vary. And, I have no idea how many you have seen that don't allow reviews and how many of them you chatted up about this topic. So, I am nor trying to invalidate your personal experience. But I have heard enough from others to respectfully disagree that there is enough consensus on this topic.

Ive talked to him on this board.  

So weird. First you tell me what review culture is and how it is defined, down to the facetious dictionary defintion of "culture" no one asked for.

For what it's worth, might be best to take your own words to heart and just walk away from this pointless argument.

Are you capable of introspection? If so, tell me why so few, if any, people agree with you here? This board is made up of what, 90% "buyers" as you like to call them, and you believe you are acting and crusading for their best interests, yet you are virtually unanimously disagreed with by those very same buyers. No, not every thought, in every post, but I just don't see too many here ever agree with your main, overarching point re: consumer protectionism.  
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Do the clients here just not see your wisdom? Or do you think the manner in which you present yourself, and the way you state your positions, is what turns off so many?

Because the post you replied to was replying to the fact that the provider was in the same room.

Yes, I am capable of introspection.

I guess my point is, since you look out for the client, and that is a main guiding principle for you, why don't clients agree with your views? I am not saying you need to court them. That is a different argument. But in my experience, consumer advocates tend to be VERY popular with the general public and yet here, you are not.  
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I remember all the stories that shows like 20/20 on ABC would do exposing rip off and scams. They were some of the highest rated segments. In Philly, once a week on the CBS local news affiliate, they had a segment called "Denenberg's Dump."  
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Their consumer advocate, Hank Denenberg, would try products being hawked on TV commercials and tell the consumer if they worked on not. If so, he praised them. If not, he literally tossed them into a gigantic trash can called "Denenberg's Dump." Those segments were wildly popular.
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There is something about your overall, general take on these matters which really doesn't resonate with anyone here and I was just asking why is all.

The question is not really about consumer advocate and reception implying perhaps not really one but why rocket thinks it's okay to annoy most of the people he interacts with. It's a far leap from I have my principles and stick to them regardless of what others say (though as you note, one should be a bit circumspect when most react as here) and thinking one has the right to force the views repeatedly down others throat even when most are saying "enough, give us a break already."

Here’s the thing, you’re not really picking apart my definition. Your arguments aren’t that sound. You refuse to concede anything and you nitpick everything while sidestepping any opposing viewpoints. It is like you’re not actually engaging in a conversation, you just talk past people. All of this because you think the term “review culture” shouldn’t exist. Meanwhile nobody else really thinks about this because we all understand what these words actually mean, that the provider doesn’t want reviews. I think its a pretty straightforward concept. You don’t think its real I guess. That’s cool but nobody really cares.
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You say you’re not posting for yourself. I have bad news buddy. You’re not exactly an effective advocate for your position. It doesn’t seem like you convince anyone. You’re constantly getting into flame wars that seem to turn people against you. Whatever you think you’re doing, it probably isn’t working. Have a good one.

I heartily subscribe to both of your recent posts above. The level of argumentativeness over every small shade of meaning has reduced this and other threads into a level of "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" Talmudic foolishness. It's boring.

Well said!

Sure, but since the provider was in the room and you were not, again, why the assumption about the review? Seems like some none trivial probability of even assumed honesty != truth of the situation is merited.

tap-dancer, you have become the king of walk-back.  Lol

I will vouch for these guys... 100ProofLV is the only reputable agency is World's Greatest City.. Las Vegas.  

exception for me, but it applies only to the Kgirl agency business model.  Because they know what my personal tastes are for looks and service, I will get a heads up on a new girl with no reviews a few days before she arrives so I can book if I want to.  Conversely, I have also inquired about a new girl and had the booker tell me I wouldn't like her, based on my usual types.  On occasion, I have ignored their advice and booked the girl anyway because I like her photo gallery and lived to regret it.  When somebody knows what your tastes are, take the rec whether it's a hobby bro or a booker.  Lol

Whenever someone replies to a post, the reply post is indented. So when a real flame war starts, all the text gets squished to one side of the page. On a mobile phone it makes many threads unreadable. Rule #1 is if the thread is unreadable I ditch the thread. It is a bit better on a desktop browser, which brings me to Rule #2. If the reply indentation starts to line up with the "Discussion Boards" button on the menu header I ditch the thread. I don't open it or read it, it becomes retired. This thread is retired, I'm not reading the rest of this garbage.

I wouldn't dare speak for you. I prefer not to practice being a jerk. But I will use your name in a joke, kind of like what you are. Him having reviews or not isn't relivant, because it was a joke. I, unlike you, don't actually care if he has reviews or not. I, unlike you, see no issue with someone who doesn't have reviews posting and discussing on the board. I, unlike you, think that people who don't have reviews, or we can't see them because of an alias, might actually have something to contribute.

And clearly you haven't read my posts because you are speaking nonsense.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Hey Jensen.

Where is the contradiction?

You know you don't need practice being a jerk.  It comes naturally to you, may even be genetic.  

And what did I say to that?

Directly from the guidelines: "Don’t be repetitive, and don’t re-post something repeatedly."

Why don't you actually READ this thread for once?

420 10 hours ago: "This thread is retired, I'm not reading the rest of this garbage."  

First, bullshit. You clearly have a problem with those without reviews. Unless they come on here and kiss your ass and treat you like a highness, you’ll shit all over them. So don’t pretend to be something you’re not.

So here’s the issue. Between fake reviews and exaggerations that we as hobbyists are prone to make have made reviews tough on providers. I recently had a regular provider tell me she was dropping out of TER because the reviews are fake. Several recent clients have shown up expecting services that the reviews say she would provide or enjoy having done to her. She says TER sourced clients expect too much….Are we ruining it for ourselves?

No one is trying to suppress opposing views but you. I'm just saying you don't need to keep saying the same shit time after time or keep arguing until someone else gives up because you're not accepting they have a different view. Pretty that all of us who were here when you joined and started posting know exactly where you stand. You could ad value when doing your research and posting specific cases. But your repetitive argument for your position is rather burdensome for many it seems based on reactions.

When do I stop posting about deception in the business, inability for sellers to take criticism, or calling out sellers who put little green paper over customers and hate their own clients who put money in their pockets making sure the sellers wouldn't starve ?

Yes, you are definitely on to something here!

The sugar world doesn't have (or really need) reviews because there isn't an opportunity for a woman to swindle a different guy every night.  To make a crude analogy, hotels are subject way more municipal regulations than annual-lease landlord rentals are.

Most other agencies have a high turn over rate due to girls constantly touring. The girls are there weeks or maybe a couple of months. They have to turn 8-10 clients a day so reviews are crucial. They need to flood the zone with reviews and have that constant visibility on TER.
After all these years, good to see you're still around.

A review is an evaluation.

She doesn’t report the fakes ?

Couldn't she just advertise No RIM, BBFS, ANAL ...etc?

She was probably just playing the victim role to her client.

who are driven by reviews, but they need to learn it comes at a price.  If she really has fake reviews, then reporting them to TER will start an investigation which might end up getting them removed.  If you are a reviewer, this is why it's important to save your emails/texts when booking an appointment.  If the provider reports your review as fake on the grounds that you never saw her, then the burden shifts to the reviewer to be able to document a dialogue with the provider by email or text that shows he made the appointment.  If he can't do that, the review is likely to be removed, but since TER owns the review, it's at their discretion to remove it.  Many providers here have posted that they were able to get fake reviews removed by reporting them.

I'll put an odd variation of a provider having a 'comfort level'/ymmv  and 'shifting boundaries'. My atf who've I seen the most times of any provider, far over a decade. However our 'comfort level' is that she takes advantage of me and doesn't do (actually just gfe+, nothing extreme) certain items for me in bed. I've talked about it before, we argued about it before. But I had to give in and I hate it when she doesn't please me as she could, and pretends oh, you were able to cum better than I'd ever seen you (only because I trained my mind to think of some other stupid porno, or sexy model scenario with pse in my head while doing it so I'm not just wasting $ in bed) . So the only real thing I get extra , is extra time to hang out or whatever. And no she's never interested in dating me, as she did others in the past. of course we know of providers/atfs who went through a series of dating a client, then leaving the hobby, then they come back months or years later to escort again, and then they are 'happy' to see the ol' regular who adored her come back. And then I get back home, and get irritated seeing new reviews by other clients, whether they are also repeating, or new clients get items from her in the review that she doesn't want to give to me anymore like some stupid game with me.

in my opinion, TER isn't even what it once was , since after returning since the fosta/sesta shutdown. It's better now then since returning, but it's much less of a review factor anymore. A lot of escorts and clients don't know of or don't bother with ter anymore. Plenty can use other sites such as pd, em, and other regional ones, and we know that called reviews there, more like brief testimonials can be far more censored or taken down due to provider feedback. Maybe certain metro areas like la or nyc still benefits escorts with review and vip rankings, but escorts may find they do well enough utilizing tryst and/or having a p411 profile these days , along with sometimes a twitter page, and twitter links and referrals, all without need of ter.