🤓 I am curious about entitlement are you guilty, or have you noticed some people feel entitled?

For example:  

Maybe you're a long time VIP TER member & you have hundreds of reviews under your belt, do you feel entitled to not follow the providers protocols?

You reach out before reading her requirements.

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But after you get to know each other, and can be considered a regular, then it's not uncommon for some gals to relax their rules, especially regarding deposits, or they may allow you to contact them by text instead of on their sites, etc.

After becoming a true regular I noticed that the provider will stop dressing up, stop being nice and almost treat you as a nuisance.
I'm ok with us both being comfortable with each other but always remember that I'm still paying money for a certain kind of experience.
Don't go too far off the rails ladies.

I think everyone feels some level of entitlement. Every need and want we have that we believe we deserve are entitlements. The question for me really is about if they’re reasonable or not. I see nothing wrong with certain ones, especially if they are earned. But others are untouchable IMO. Your example, that’s not one anyone should ever feel. Clear rules should always be respected. Idc how many reviews a client has. He needs to follow the same rules as everyone else.

 
Unless, you as the provider say otherwise. If you decide a client for whatever reason doesn’t need to follow certain rules because you have built trust or a connection, that is the only time it’s okay. Clients don’t make the rules. Providers do. A client can make a request, but a provider can decline. This is why communication upfront is important. I know some clients will say they have certain rules. And this is fine. But they cannot be forced on an unwilling provider. They need to be requested. You don’t like the answer? You can move on.

 
Providers have an opportunity in their ads and websites to state their rules. This is important so a client can make informed choices. I know some providers will lay rules out before a session. Personally, I’m not a fan of this during a session. First, I’m now paying for you to tell me rules. Second, it’s a real flow killer. Third, if I don’t like any surprise rules, I now cannot make an informed choices. For example, I once had a provider tell me with half my clothes off in bed with her that no tongue is allowed when kissing. While I respected her rule and didn’t argue, it was a big disappointment. That, of course, doesn’t mean I was entitled to not follow said rules.

I wont see a provider that has a bunch of stated rules
 Its not feeling entitled as much as it is...

Fish. Sea. Plenty.

Again--No.

I've gotten about 200 reviews posted over the years (changed handles after a sabbatical) and I can say with high confidence that each time I followed the lady's contact protocol. Sometimes I had to wade through pages of self-flattery before I found that guidance, but when I did, I followed it.

I agree with another poster who said it would be helpful if all a lady's rules were up front so that we don't waste each other's time. Don't see men of certain ethnicities, don't like DATY or DFK, charge extra for outfit requests, etc.--just be clear up front.

Exactly, some of them have way too much bullshit to wade through. Plenty of other options.

I know you don't lend credence to P411 okays but many ladies do.  

 
If a lady is on P411 I reach out there first, regardless of what her website says about making initial contact.  
I never received any negativity or rejection doing it that way. I feel that it's a good starting point.

And I will follow the suggested protocols to the extent that they do not seem more intrusive on my privacy than normal.  However, I reserve the right to propose other ways to vet me if I feel the provider's preference is going a little too far to where I feel vulnerable to being doxed.  If we can't find a middle ground somewhere that we are both comfortable with, and her attitude is that it's "My way or the highway", I will gladly head on down the highway until I find a provider that is more reasonable.  Not everyone who wants my business will get it.  

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For People who Can't Follow Directions

....most providers have rules and some clearly state them.  The one's that surprise guys with rules on the fly usually don't review well.  Guys that run into situations where rules negatively impact their sessions haven't done their homework very well.    

 
Funny thing though, I see you're coming into MPLS in a couple weeks and I attempted to send you a heads up about something in a PM but I'm on "ignore" because I countered something you said that wasn't true, lol.  Zero interest in seeing you but avoid Mall of America and anything in Bloomington.  Maybe a friend will pass this along to you.  

...but providers should really consider updating their websites regularly with any policy changes, and make it as clear as possible what they expect. I am trying to book someone and she decided to reveal that she only does 1.5 hours or higher appointments when i contacted her. It was not written on any of her ads or on her website.  

Another one says she does incalls but i have to pay for a hotel room (doesn't that make it an outcall???). Again, not spelled out clearly. Her tryst ad just says "plus incall" which I guess she expects everyone to understand what that means. Her outcall rate is the same but says + Uber, which is fine, but why would I book an outcall when I can book an incall and pay for a hotel room instead of paying for a hotel room, plus uber for an outcall??? I'm booking the hotel room anyway!  

and she claims to be a successful business woman. maybe i'm missing something here?

But, whatever.

 
I have had gals get the hotel room, but then tack the cost of that room on to my fee; sort of a modified "in call", if you will.

 
Sort of a cousin to the "Fly me to you" concept where you pay her fee for her time, plus the airfare, plus (presumably) the hotel room.

 
And you are correct, they should spell this all out, but often this is left a little hazy, to our detriment.   We need to focus on all this and be clear what we are paying for.

 
Mostly I have been fine with this as long as I knew what to expect.

If a provider books a hotel room in her name and you simply show up for the appointment, that is an incall appointment. She is hosting you. If she does this specifically for your appointment, and charges you an additional fee, it is still an incall.  

If you host the provider, whether in a private residence, or in a hotel room that you booked yourself, that is an outcall. She is going to you.  

It’s not that complicated really.

i get all that, but she wants you to book the hotel room in BOTH instances plus pay for her uber if you request an outcall…lol

why would i request an outcall then? i can save on the uber (round trip in nyc is EXPENSIVE) and just book an incall.

again, this odd policy is not explained or thought out clearly…

if her intention is to only do outcalls, then fine. if her intention is to not host from her apartment or flat, also fine, then make or clear that she will book a room for you for an additional fee but you would still be expected to pay for her transportation as well….

I see one gal where on top of all that, I have to stop and get her coffee at Starbucks!

 
Where does it all end?

What you’re missing is that if you’re traveling to the city and already have a hotel room booked, then you’re not paying for the hotel for the encounter, only her Uber.

 It’s not applicable to your situation, but that’s the rationale.

I hope you included that in your review so we can make an informed decision on whether she's worth the cup of coffee or not.

The "vip" thing is an issue, true. I don't get why people act like because they have experience or stripes they can bypass something.

Just like I never got the whole seniority and experience thing. Just because someone is older doesn't mean they are smarter or better at doing the job they do.

That's why I never really care to be a vip anywhere. I - as someone who deeply cares about consumer experience and not just my own dopamine - am interested in average consumer experience and what it looks and feels like.

 

After all, this is what this community is about - not constant glazing or helping any seller line pockets. It's about information sharing.

Preferential treatment is something I actively avoid from seeking. Also if the seller knows you're a prolific reviewer she (or he) mgih try much harder with you than average Joe. This will only benefit you but not the average Joe.  

 
Also providers also have entitlement. Some providers who have generally good reviews may feel entitled to receive good reviews and get all crazy when they get a bad or mediocre review. Or even decent review that doesn't follow the unwritten rule grade scale and instead uses ter scale.  

You're not entitled to a positive review, ever. Someone might have a bad time with anyone and that someone has the right to recap a mediocre or bad experience and a data point for others.